The Lost Diary

It was a good episode but it felt wrong knowing they will get off the island.

Thought it was an excellent episode. 11 out of 10 in my book. A few important questions:

1) Who's in the casket? I say Ben.
2) Who's Kate going back to? I say Sawyer and their child.
3) Who answers Naomi's phone? NO IDEA.

Looking forward to Season 4, and to all of Daniel's recaps of Seasons 1 and 2 this summer.

Whitney, you'll finally be able to watch Season 1!!!!

Predict:

Ben is in the casket, Jack's hope for return dashed;
Locke is on the island leading the others and the resistance to Widmore Corp;

Hoffs/Drawlar (funeral parlor) is an anagram of FLASH FORWARD.

I think it's Benry or Tom (Mr. Friendly) in the casket.

Ben is always right.

Mr. Otis- I couldn't have said it better. 100% same predicition

I don't know if it was Henry in the casket. I saw a screen caption of the obituary and it shows a man named something that starts with J from New York hung himself from a beam in his loft. Henry is from Portland.

Jack was rocking those aviator shades, but that grizzly adams look was just wrong. he looks hotter on the island.

Not sure how I felt about this episode. Mostly I liked it, but felt a little let down after the big build up. Plus, I can only think of 4 charachters who died - at least semi-main ones anyway.

Here's my off-the-wall prediction: I think that the space-time thing is still in play and somehow, someway, it is actually JACK in the casket. How else would Jack's dad still be alive?

I know, probably not, but how cool would that be??

Jack did look like shit. I laughed out loud at work when I read that.
I'm so mad because nothing was basically answered.
I love Bernard & Rose. WTF is up with Jin... crack shot my ass.

I don't mean to kill your dream Daniel but Charlie could still make it.

Question...
Who the hell are the 5 people that were suppose to die? I thought it was going to be 5 significant people or characters we know on the show and not the damn "Others".

Was this a big turning point for LOST? Will it now start moving backwards with flash fowards like it has done with the flashbacks thus far. You have to admit, we have learned everything we wanted to know from Flashbacks....Maybe they will start having Flashfoward and working their way back to the day the get off the island..and the real story and the flash fowards will collide for the series finale? Just a thought....

Daniel,
Great episode...and I have to agree with both you and Rich that it's probable that it is Henry Gale in the casket. While the Losties hate him now, he DOES really know what's right for everybody, and they don't realize it until they are off the island.

I know that Charlie was supposed to die in order for Desmond's vision to come true, but do you think he's really dead this time? I kept thinking that someone would break in there and save him, but who knows, until next season! He did really redeem himself and actually acted like somewhat of a badass--maybe he went out on top?

Thanks, Rich..you bet I will!

Jenz - ooooo, Jack starts with J! Is he from New Jersey? I can't remember.

I think the people on Naomi's boat have something to do with Penny's dad and his corporation. I think they are there to make sure Desmond doesn't make it back home to Penny. Maybe Naomi didn't know the actual plan, or maybe she was a test to see if someone could actually make it to the island, and now that they know it's possible the other people on the boat will come to the island. Just my thoughts....great episode, can't wait till next year to see what happens next.

It's not Tom in the casket...don't you recall him getting his heart blown to bits by Sawyer?

I'm curious as to how far in the future this is. Will Claire's baby be old enough to play some part in the story? I think so. I've heard that the writers are going to go back to the relevance of the psychic's predictions for Claire and her child.

Charlie had a glorious death. The only reason I'm glad to see him dead, however, is because we won't have to hear Daniel whine about how much he hates him anymore.

If I were writing this column, I'd have been whining about how much I hate Jack. He's such a prick. I've always held out hope for his death, actually. Charlie didn't do nearly as much harm nor was he nearly as annoying as Jack with his complete lack of spiritual awareness and base cowardice.

"Rockbottom Jack" was a good way to describe that man with the beard, cause boy-oh-boy did he look different. Pill-popping fool finally realized he'd fucked up.

Why would it be Mr. Friendly in the casket? I think it's Sawyer. Just because everyone else thinks it's Ben. Maybe it's just a potential future, not a for-sure future. Jack's like Jimmy Stewart and he's experiencing a vision of what life would be like if he got off the island. This will convince him next season to stay on the island. Ben is not always right, because he shot Locke, and that was so wrong!

This show is such a mindfuck. I love it! I'm not a big Charlie fan but with the music and him keeping Desmond out, dude that was just sad.

Hugo is my hero. That should be on a t-shirt.

I'd see Henry in the casket. Although I think the idea of Jack being the one in there is a good idea. Lost-likely.

Walt! Was that his ghost?

I feel season four as being a bit of a turning point in the show. The flash forward was a good idea. I'm kind of hoping they do that more.

Now I'm off to finish season one and get started on season two!

Wow, last night's episode was amazing!!! I too think that it's Henry Gale in the casket. Boy was Jack broken up about that. And who did he call and leave a voicemail for? Kate? Does anyone have a still of that part where Jack sees the newspaper clipping on the plane? What's with the Golden ticket thingy, "hey we'd like to congratulate you for surviving an airplane crash so here is a lifetime ticket for Oceanic Airlines" right......

Pardon my stream of consciousness.

It was totally Henry's funeral. It makes sense that Jack would be neither friend nor family, Kate would be appalled at Jack's suggestion that she might attend, and Henry's cancer would return off the island.

Oh dear. Does that mean that in alternate future-verse Rose dies, too? o.O

Will Rousseau leave the island now that she has Alex? Is it just me, or was their reunion a little anticlimactic? Alex hardly reacted at all. Do you think Alex loves Henry? I wonder if there will ever be a time when she has to decide whether save him. Would she?

You must be right about Charlie choosing to carry out Desmond's vision to the T, because not only could he have swam out the porthole, the larger room would have filled up slowly enough that both Des and Charlie could've gone out the same way they got in. Of course, Mikhail is still out there somewhere.

Richard doesn't age and Mikhail doesn't die. Hmm...

I'm just slow, I guess. I never suspected that the flashbacks were actually flash forwards until the end. I was very confused about the timing, but even when Kate got out of the car I just thought, "Wow. They've hidden their history very well!"

If Henry went back to the Others at this point, with all the explaining he's got to do, would they revolt against him? Things are not looking good for Mr. Gale.

I literally danced when Hurley drove down to the beach. I was getting so ticked at everyone for being mean to him.

I was sorry that Charlie died. At least he had the presence of mind to get that last message to Desmond. He didn't do much, but I liked him.

I was perplexed about Jack's dad, too. Either Jack is further off the bend than I'd like to believe, or his dad is alive in the future. He said, "Bring my father down here." Not much ambiguity there. We know that he had to have gone to Australia and been in the crash, though, because he and Kate get those free flights.

Speaking of Kate - why would she not still be a fugitive in the future? Would the government really pardon her murder just because she survived a plane crash? And, when she told Sawyer that the Others were wondering if she was pregnant and he said, "Let's hope you're not" or whatever he said - that screamed foreshadowing to me. What do you think? Is she knocked up? Is that why (we suspect) she's with Sawyer in the future?

Casket inhabitant:

Locke - Taken off the island against his will and has no desire to live? No one would likely attend his funeral and he was not family or friend to Jack.
Sawyer or Ben- Both are likely to not have viewing attendees, not family or "friend" to Jack. Would fit with Kate's obvious bitterness towards the person (Why would I go?)

I agree that Ben is in the casket. Who else could it be that Kate could careless about?? I can't think of anyone.

Possibly Juliet dies on the island if Jack is not with her in the future, or she sees his love for Kate and can't stand it and leaves him.

And what's with Jack refering to his father?? Is he not dead??

"I've heard that the writers are going to go back to the relevance of the psychic's predictions for Claire and her child."

I've been thinking about this since I started watching season one. There was a reason we were told evil would surround Aaron if Claire weren't around. Maybe Claire will kill herself because of Charlie. I'd like to see what happens with this storyline though. I hope they go back to it.

Casket candidates:
1) Juliet--Jack cares, but she will have done so much allegiance-switching and double-crossing that no one else will. Plus Ben will have arranged to have her sister and nephew (?) killed as payback before she is freed. Cause of death: suicide, or--if Ben is still on the Island--murder?

2) Locke--if he ever leaves the Island, it's probably against his will, and he may have become paralyzed again. He may have alienated so many people by becoming fanatically connected to staying, and interfering with rescue, that no one showed for the funeral. We already know he has no family, and that he rather be dead than be paralyzed again. He and Jack once had a fatherly bond, which explains the impact of his death. Cause: suicide, for sure.

3) Michael--Did anyone else notice that the funeral home was in a predominantly black neighborhood, with a black funeral director? I'm thinking we're going to see Michael back on the Island again soon. But maybe Walt is already dead (the actor having grown too tall to continue playing the part!), and the embittered Michael makes enemies of all his fellow Losties. Only Jack understands his pain--failed son understands failed father?--and thus is the only one who grieves. Cause? Again, maybe suicide...which is why Jack was thinking of tossing himself off a bridge.

4) I say definitely NOT Ben. He's not leaving the Island alive. No way, no how. He'll die there, and it will be a humdinger.

Boy, if the flashbacks weren't enough to keep us speculating like crazy, these flash forwards are going to keep our heads spinning! Even if this was a one-time thing, we'll now always have to ponder two questions when Lost goes off-Island: not just "Where are we?" but "When are we?"

To paraphrase John Locke "we're gonna have to watch that one again!"
Awesome, jumping out of chair delicious.

Did you notice that Jin only had a handgun while Sayid and Bernard had rifles?

Kate could be with Ben. She seems a little afraid of whomever she has to get home to.

At the very beginning when Jack was on the plane did anyone see Sun and Jin sitting behind him?

Kate --- I thought the same thing when Kate got out of the car at the end. I thought wow - they actually knew each other before the crash. I was so not expecting a "flash-forward" that it took a minute for it to sink in what was actually happening.

Also this site has some interesting screencaps from last night. Some of the newspaper article, but it's hard to make out what it says....

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/

That's probably just an Asian couple. Jack says he takes long overseas flights hoping the plane will crash. From LA, there would be a lot of Asian destinations.

One more thing...

Daniel, you were wondering who else got off the island besides Jack and Kate...did you notice in the plane scene at the beginning of the episode that Jin and Sun were sitting behind Jack on the plane? I guess that means Sun doesn't die because of her pregnancy.

Where to begin?

My money is on Ben being in the casket... to draw on the previous post by Kate, he also would know no one in the "real" world.

I think Sawyer is the one Kate goes home too...

If they begin Season 4 in the future and finish the island story in flash backs, I'm going to be upset.

I literally stood up and clapped when Hurley showed up in the van - I felt so bad for him when Sawyer said he couldn't go to the beach with them!

Why wasn't the code the numbers?

Did Mikhail blow himself to pieces or did he survive a grenade explosion too?

I can't believe Bernard blabbed. He sold out Karl too.

Overall I give the episode a B+. I can't give it an A because Locke wasn't in it enough. And also because they showed Mikhail without his eye patch. Gross.

Funeral Name: Hoffs and Drawlar

Anagram: flash forward

Outstanding episode. As far as Locke being in this episode for such a brief amount of time, I'll take quality over quantity anyday. Besides, he has work to do...

Interesting that Jack seemingly becomes obsessed with returning to the island, becuase...

In the casket, gotta be Benry, since he is clearly neither friend nor family (and yet a vital link back to the island for Jack). It would make sense, as the rest of the Others likely would not be going with Jack et al back to civilization.

Charlie closed the door because he knew that Desmond HAS to get back to the losties to tell them about Naomi and the "Not Penny's Boat" development (and Des will no doubt be dissapointed in Locke's actions...)

Ben wasn't really in any condition to demand that he stay on the island - so not likely. Also, when he returned to the mainland he would be nobody and could assume a name and a place ... thus the info on the Obit. Kate wouldn't react that way to any of the other losties and Jack is upset b/c the connection to the island is lost (he thinks - remember that he didn't look in the casket). Perhaps Ben found a way back and faked his death to throw Jack off his scent?

I'm a Lost watcher from the beginning, a reader of your diary for most of this season, and a first time commenter.

Emotionally exhausting episode! I also got the feeling at the begining that those were really flash-forwards and not flashbacks. Jack soooo does not look good in a full beard. Some other thoughts:

1) Hurley coming to the rescue was great, but I was terrified the Others were going to shoot him and kill him in the process. So glad they didn't. I lerve me some Hurley.
2) The second reference Jack made to his dad was something on the order of "You get the other Dr. Shepard up here and if I'm drunker than HE is... So is his father not really dead?
3) I got the impression that they were trying to make a point that the funeral home was in a seedy area of town. Locke was pretty much of a rooming-house loser before coming to the island. Could it be Locke it the casket?
4) Kate saying "Why would I go to the funeral?" It has to be someone she hates/has no use for.
5) Near the end Jack said something to Kate on the order of not wanting to lie/keep something secret anymore. I can't remember the exact words. I got the feeling that something really horrible happened that none of them can/will talk about.
6) I have a weird notion that Season 4 will start with them back at home trying to re- adjust and the flashbacks will be to the island and their "rescue".
7) I am going to positively die of withdrawal before Lost starts up in January again!!!!

Love your Lost Diary, Daniel. So glad you are going to revisit Season 1 over the hiatus. I just may have to buy the DVD and rewatch along with you :)

Why did Charlie lock himself inside the room? Why did he not climb out the window?

He already turned off the switch. He already got the "Not Penny's ship" message. What is the purpose for him to die, then? To fulfill the vision is not enough, for me.

Of course, there's still time to save him. Sorry, Daniel.

This episode rocked. I was on my feet when Hurley ran over Brian. YES!!! Definitely a 10 out of 10 for me.

I was so ready for the "I love you" from Jack to NOT be for Kate, that when he said it to her, I teared up. They belong together. Flash-forward be damned.

Personally, I think Sawyer is in the box. Is it possible that their time on the island undid some of their past mistakes (for instance, it seems like Christian Shepherd is alive), and so Kate is indeed married to the cop?

No, I'm pretty sure it was Jin...he has pretty distinctive features

This is my first ever comment, but I have to say that I absolutely love your commentary, Daniel. I too, like everyone else, watch an episode and think to myself what you will say. I can't believe you didn't comment on Rose's fabulous line to Jack. "If you tell me live together, die alone, I'll punch you in the face, Jack." That was so great!

I have to say that I think I have mixed emotions about knowing for certain that they get off the island. Still trying to process that one. But Lost has done what is does best, and that's answer questions and give us more questions.

Can't wait to read the Q&A on Monday. Keep up the great work!!

Daniel,
Excellent write up (as usual) and to be honest, it is almost as great as reading all the comments afterwards. Everyone always has some really insightful comment that I hadn't caught on or made me think twice. I am going to have to watch it again...and then again. I can't believe it is over for the season. They did a serious screw with us when they decided to do a flash forward. It will certainly make next season interesting.
Charlie did die a bit of a "heroes" death, but I am glad to see him go.
I do wonder if Ben is in the casket but I have to agree with the post from up above. Ben doesn't seem like the type to leave the island. He is crazy enough to wack himself just to be sure he isn't taken off.
I am dying to know who was in the paper and who in the casket. This finale did its job, I was hooked and am still hooked and would give my right arm to know some answers. And yet, I never want this show to end...does anyone else feel torn like that?
Daniel, thank God you are going to do Season One. I would be lost without my Lost...pardon the pun.
Tristan

Oooh I didn't even think about it being Jack in the coffin. Now that would be an interesting twist.
Now I'm going to have to rewatch the old episodes this summer along with Daniel to find out if they ever tell us where Jack is from originally!

I loved it when Rose told Jack "if this is another live together, die alone speech, I'm going to punch you in the face." LOL

So many questions, and plenty of time to stew over them. Why was Jack such a wreck in the future? He told Kate he was tired of lying, that he made a mistake...lied about what? And who was Kate referring to when she said "he's going to be wondering where I am." Sawyer? But, at first I thought it was Saywer in the casket because when Jack tried to call Kate the first time, he said something like, I just read about it, I'm sorry -- and then cut off there and hung up. Why would Kate care if Ben died? But, at the end, she said, Why would I go to his funeral? So many questions!!!!!

There were two instances, at the beginning and at the funeral parlor, where you got a glimpse of the newspaper clipping, but I could not make out anything :( I went frame by frame, but my eyes are bad anyway...maybe someone else can go frame by frame and make it out?

I don't know how I'm going to go eight months til the new season!!! I'll definitely still be looking here on Thursdays, will be fun to go over old stomping ground ;)

Daniel, love the diary, thanks for doing what you do.

I thought the finale was excellent, certainly kept you guessing all the way through.

I still can't figure out why Jack kept referring to his father. What if the man Jack thinks is his dad, really isn't his father? What if LOCKE is his father?

So many unanswered questions... I can't wait for the next season! I look forward to "reliving" season one with you!

2 things:

1) re: Robin's comment at 3:38 above (Did you notice that Jin only had a handgun while Sayid and Bernard had rifles?)..... You watched the whole show and THAT's what the comments you bring to the table????? GEEZZZZZZZZ

2) hey Whitney, you claim to be such a fan, yet you say it was Jin and Sun behind Jack on the plane? It SOOOO wasn't. Maybe if you had watched Season 1 you would know this.

Rich DeBerg

I should have taken today off from work, I can't get anything done, I'm tired cause I was too pumped to go to bed right away and I can't get off this website - so I have done a damn thing yet...geez

Okay, I want to know why Kate is no longer a fugitive in the flash forward...cause as they said in ‘The Answers’ show...”once a fugitive, always a fugitive”, so something is amiss with that.

Another thing that sparked my curiosity …going back to the original Oceanic 815 website (which is no longer able to be viewed) it mentioned that all flights were cancelled since the crash, and if I’m not mistaken (it’s been awhile since I saw that site) I thought the airline went out of business, so my question becomes…how was Jack flying with a “golden pass” on Oceanic? Can we take any information from that old website as legit?

So – I thought about the accident people being Claire and Aaron, but if the woman and boy that Jack saved “in the future” are them…then that makes the flash forward 8 years in the future (they say that’s how old the boy Jack rescued was), but Jack’s ex-wife didn’t seem as though she aged 8 years?? Also – I thought it was ironic that Jack asked for forgiveness before almost jumping…I didn’t think he was spiritual about those things.

OHH and Daniel “Mikhail sans eye patch” – my thoughts exactly at that moment!!

Wow. I did not hear the spoilers about the flash forward, but very early on I knew it was. I knew he was calling Kate but thought it was Sawyer dead.

Somehow, Jack's dad is alive again. He said, to the new Chief of Surgery, "Go find my Dad, if I'm drunker than him, you can fire me."

Can't blame Jack for not trusting Ben, it's what Ben gets for lying all the time. i mean, really, he trying to get Jack to go along with him and uses the stick instead of the carrot. Get me the phone or your friends die? FU Ben! You deserved your a$$ beating. He should have treated Jack like an equal, everyone knows Doctor's don't like being treated like peons.

Was so cool when Hurley saved the day! Go Hurly. Though he should have been shot probably since VW's have the engine in the back and it's just a sheet of metal between Hurley and the bullets.

It bothered me when Sawyer shot Mr. Friendly until he said what he said. For taking Walt, Sawyer getting shot then, blowing up the boat.

Charlie elevated his game! He played it perfect and he called Mikhail Cyclops!!! LMFAO! Poor Desmond, so close to Penny and yet so far. How was it she was trying to call the Looking Glass at all, let alone right at that second?

Walt was probably just a vision, but who knows? Was Jacob trying to motivate Locke?

Who was in the coffin? Coffin looked small, like it was for a child or someone who lost their legs. You figure not a child, because someone would show up for a child's funeral. If, as someone said, the person hung themselves, it was Locke. He loses his legs and ends up back in a wheelchair and gets taken off the island. He goes crazy and kills himself, plus his first name starts with a J and if he died, no one would show up for the funeral.

They did answer a few questions that came up in the first season. They do get off the island. They are not dead.

Have to watch it again over the weekend.

Look forward to the Season 1 recap, I bet seeing things now will make more sense, especially the background things.

Still so many questions

And yes, "24" and "Heroes" finales were weak and disappointing. Sylar should have died, even if the sword did not hit anything vital, he should have bled to death. Grrr, next season should be better.

Contents of the casket: My initial impression was Sawyer (who is estranged from Kate - hence her hostillity). Henry makes sense as well, however Vermonter makes an excellent point that the funeral home is in a predominately black neighborhood (doesn't exactly explain why no one would show up for Walt/Michael).

Next season working backwards is an interesting idea- hard to imagine that being interesting for more than a couple of episodes (everyone goes back and is miserable?!?!?) My guess is in short order, Jack is offered the ability to go back choose path number 2.

Someone posted a screen shot here
http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1227940&page=28

Let me start off by saying, you're awesome. When I watch Lost, I'm always thinking what your thoughts will be on certain things. Anyway, can you please start a Heroes blog?

my bad - I got on that old website (Oceanic-air.com) and yeah ....it says this
---Michael Orteig, President of Oceanic Airlines, released this statement: "After 25 years of service, we are forced to close our doors. Due to financial difficulties in the wake of the Flight 815 tragedy...---
then there's that hidden message behind it
So is the website full of it? Thoughts?

First of all, Daniel, I am sorry that your blog has turned into a way for some people to personally attack others, so this will be the last time I comment on any of Rich's cheap remarks.

Rich, I think I speak for Robin, myself and everyone else who enjoys this post by saying that you are totally missing the point of this blog--it is a FORUM where people TALK and SHARE their IDEAS. Your comments (gold star for being the #1 poster, by the way!) were not all that intellectual either--you basically said what everyone else was already thinking--things that weren't too hard to figure out. But, as you noticed, nobody called you out on it.

Let people say what they want to say and stop trying to claim your prize as "The Lost Diary's #1 Fan."

Hey all, anyone else notice that the funeral home's name is an anagram for "Flash Forward"?

I don't even know where to start. I spent most of this episode gasping for air like a fish out of water.

The flashfoward was a pleasant surprise. I've got major freaking questions about Jack's dad because to me it seemed like Jack was referring to him as alive. Especially when the other surgeon doctor wanted to talk to him in his office and Jack said something about call my father and if I'm drunker than he is you can fire me. Can dead men be drunk?

RIP Charlie. Great death scene though.

Hurley! I was giddy when I saw that VW come flying out of the jungle (how many times in life can that be said?). Hurley's threats on the walkie, loved it. Walt! Older Walt! No Michael but oh well I'd prefer Walt. Wonder if Walt or the image of Walt hung around to check on Vincent?

I can't wait for S4. I want it now.

Wow, what a send-off! I was very sad to see Charlie go. Who's going to be Claire's surrogate babydaddy? So sad.

My other complaint: the flash-forward. I didn't realize it until now, but I didn't want the Losties to get off the island. If they're rescued, what does it matter if everyone has this creepy six-degrees of separation thing going on? And how can they possibly go back to their old lives? Maybe that's why Jack was cracking up, and I did NOT want to see Jack lose it like that. Pull yourself together, brutha!

Anyway, I think it was Locke in the casket. He's from California, and he is certainly not a friend of Jack's.

So many questions...I can't wait until Season 4! Thanks for a great blog, Daniel.

I don't think it was really Walt. I think it was just an apparition. Perhaps by Smokey, or Jacob or maybe even Richard.

Last nights episode was so amazing. I loved it. I wonder if next season will be all in the future? Maybe season four will be all flash-forwards to show us that they really weren't supposed to leave the island? That would be an interesting way to do things.

As for Henry Gale, I never know when to trust him. He's so manipulative. But I love him for it.

Naomi isn't from penny's boat? WTF? Then how did she have that picture of Penny and Desmond? I know you don't know the answer; it is more of a rhetorical question.

I can't believe that there won't be any episodes until FEBRUARY. Not to geek out on you, but that's a gestational period. You realize, I could get pregnant, have a baby and have that baby be a few days old and the new season would just be starting. That is a really long time. Oy. This is going to be hard.

I will be interested in what you will have to say about the first season. That should be fun.

Daniel, thank you so much for your posts and your humor. It has been then best part of LOST next to the show.

You're the best ever.
Bea

I'm going to just throw this out there. Let me know if it is ridiculous.
It has been the assumption that the Others want to test Kate for pregnancy because she and Sawyer have been sleeping together. Do you think it is plausible that Kate may have been impregnated by Ben/Henry Gale?
After her breakfast with Ben in the first episode this season, she was considerably roughed up when brought to the cage after she’d been prettied up to join him.
There was never any flashback to what happened to her after Ben/Henry Gale said it was going to be an unpleasant 2 weeks and there have been several mentions by Ben/Henry Gale that they needed to bring women to the island to impregnate.
Also, on the finale when Jack came back to the group after beating up Ben/Henry Gale, she asks “Why didn’t you just kill him?” Could it be that Ben/Henry Gale left the island with the group (everyone at the tower) and he is the man she is referring to in the last scene, who may notice she is gone?

What about the introduction of the idea that Jack is gay?! Henry Gale to Jack..."you moved onto another relationship... with a MAN." And Juliet to Sawyer after he asked her if she slept with Jack yet and her response was, "No, did you?" I was blindsided by that one. Am I the only one?

EXCELLENT post and great ideas, Nicole! Very intriguing possibility!

You see Whitney, now THAT's a good post with good ideas (as compared to your posts, which are the equivalent of verbal diarrhea).

Actually, I know I at least saw Sun sitting behind him. That's what made me think it was a flashback. . .some kind of weird alternate-version of the 815 flight (obviously not the case).

I thought this finale was pretty fulfilling, even though it left a lot of questions still up in the air.

I'm guessing you tried playing the part with the newspaper frame by frame to see who died... any results? The coffin seemed pretty small... either a girl or a child? Juliet? A small give-away that it was a flash-forward, Jack was using a Razor phone and when they crashed, they weren't out yet.

Just a thought... It is all about time travel and the mental institution is the connection between them all. discuss.

Two things - heard it speculated on the radio that woman injured in the car crash is Juliet's sister (someone recognized the kid?). The kid would be about the right age (assuming the flash forward was now).

One of the screen shots I looked at seemed to identify the person in the casket as being from New York. Although he could easily lie about it - Henry was born in Portland. Wasn't Michael from New York?

For the last time people, that is NOT Sun behind Jack on the plane. (However, on second viewing, it could be Jin).

What is Sawyer's real name. Doesn't it start with J? I think he was the one in the coffin.

Just a coincidence I'm sure but I believe it was Daniel's Mom that recognized Naomi as the "chick from Vegas"...the Chief of Surgery guy is on the show Las Vegas as well...random.

I think the person in the casket is not a key player yet. Maybe someone from the ship or one of the others. If it is a Lostie I think Locke is a good guess since he pissed all the Losties off.

Someone above said they did not count 5 dead...... 3 key others Charlie and Naomi. But I think the real death too last night was 15.

I wanted Rose to punch Jack That would of been great!!

(However, on second viewing, it could be Jin).
LMAO I wont judge you Rich but I will laugh AT you

My predictions/revelations are:

- Jack referred to his Dad in the flash forward because he is constantly doped up and hallucinating on Oxycontin, and he obviously has a hard time dealing with reality.
- I think Kate and Sawyer get together in the future....she has his baby.
- Locke was the one in the coffin, that's why Jack wanted to jump off the bridge. If they never left the Island Locke would be supreme leader and never die.
- Walt was a manifestation of the black smoke/Jacob..."You have work to do".
- The woman from the car crash was the woman that Sawyer screwed over, and got pregnant...."Unidentified 40 year old woman and her 8 year-old son".
- The next three seasons....are they going to take place off of the island, après rescue??? That would suck.

That's my two cents.

I think the person in the casket is Vincent, Walt's dog. I have heard several theories that he is the supreme leader of the island, and we will all learn this in the end.

I definitely like the idea that the car crash victims were Sawyer's ex and his illegitimate child. Why do I want to remember that the child was a girl? Does anyone specifically remember the sex of the child?

If the new "chief of surgery" is the same guy who was Locke's orderly (or was it his physical therapist?) at the time of his initial paralysis, then this flash-forward really has to be some sort of nightmare fantasy for Jack. There is no career trajectory from orderly (or PT) to chief of surgery.

And this means all the alive-or-dead speculation about Jack's dad is moot. Dr. C. Shepherd is certainly alive in the sense that he's haunting Jack's brain, as any messed up dad always will.

Perhaps then this FAUX flash forward represents a turning point: Jack reconsidering whether or not he really wants to be rescued. Which means Ben and Locke maybe have gotten inside of his head too.

OMG Laura, I was thinking the exact same thing!!!! I am a total dog nut, and have always wanted to say that Vincent would be the key to the show, but was afraid that Rich would make fun of me if I said that. I'm SOOO glad someone else thinks the same thing!!!

Kelly, are you Kelly (formerly known as freckles)? If so, why are you not blogging on tmz anymore? I miss one week and everybody goes away!

Rich, I don't know what your deal is, but you are being awfully hypocritical. Last week you accused me of being rude and a mental midget for making fun of you. This week you turned a comment from Whitney (that wasn't even directed at you) into an insult and compared her postings to verbal diarrhea. On top of that you bashed someone for posting a comment. Which is insane! Making fun of someone because you don't feel their comment is worthwhile?
You truly take the cake on this one. I personally hope that you either stop being so rude to the people that you claimed as your "Lost Family" or find a different blog that you can dispense your negativity on.

Great blog Daniel! I've loved it from the very start :)

I've read all the comments so far, but forgive me if someone else posts this question while I'm busy typing it out myself ...

If Jack's flash-forward is indeed correct, and the losties make it off the island, how will the powers-at-be explain the previous revelation (from Naomi and Locke's dad) that wreckage from Flight 815 was located under water, and video of the bodies underwater in the plane were seen?

I too will follow along with your Season 1 recaps :) Thanks for all that you do! You rock!

i loved the goodbye with sun and jin

at one point when jin started sputtering in english i jumped up and yelled..

I UNDERSTAND KOREAN!!

guess i was a bit fired up..

Jenz....maybe the "J" was for Sawyer's real name "James".....I don't remember where he was from though...

Mahealani -love that point about Naomi's & Lokce's dad statement about wreckage of the flight, totally forgot, duh!! There's no way that flash forward could be real, cause how would anyone explain that major mess up (finding the wreckage & bodies)??

I believe that Juliett is in the casket...seh gets off the island and her sister has died, something like that. And Kate can't stand Juliett, but then again Igo with the Henry theory too...Or maybe it is a character we have yet to be introduced to. And I am such a blonde that I still didn't get the whole flash forward thing until I read these comments. I thought Kate and Jack knew each other before the crash. Yeah, I get it now. I just got confused with the whole Jack's dad being alive thing. This episode really did have me feeling like I hadn't breathed in 30 minutes. Excellent. You gotta admit that it was a great way for Charlie to go.

All I could say is "WTF" when I saw Walt over Locke's grave. My guess is that he is dead and what we're seeing is the embodiment of his memory (like when Kate saw the horse or Jack saw his father). RIP, Walt.

I've always loved Juliet, so I was glad to see her redeem herself. I think she's essentially a good person who is so desperate to get off the island that she will do anything.

Mikhail and Alpert must be immortal. Are they the only ones????

I don't think the flash-forward seen in this ep will actually come to fruition. The whole episode with Desmond, how he realizes that there is a set path that has to be followed (to save others, even if it means sacrificing your own happiness ala giving up a second chance with Penny)... something will happen before the show's finale and the unhappy future we see in Jack's flash-forward won't be. Locke said he's not supposed "to do this" so there should be a moment where they can do it again. Like how Desmond saw that he HAD to embark upon the journey he ended up taking ...
(Well I hope anyhow!)

For me the game changer was this - I no longer want them to get off the island. I will now be rooting for them to stay (as I believe many fans will too).

Back to work now. :(

I agree w/u gals about Rich DeBerg..don't wreak this site w/yr negativity! No ones comments or ideas can be wrong or dumb, or anything else but ideas to share!! I for one am so glad to have found this site a while back, and have learned so much from everyone's questions and ideas, and have had fun reading every week. I have not been afraid to ask "stupid" ?s, and have them politely answered, I hope that does not change! Daniel, you started a great blog, brutha...I hope it can stay that way!!!!!

Best line of the night, line that is still making me smile-"I'm a dentist not Rambo." Typing that made me giggle.

For the poster above, Sawyer has a daughter, Clemintine.

It is pretty petty when someone has to pretend they are someone else on these blogs to make themselves appear better than that person. I don't know what you trying to do, Rich DeBerg, but you need a break. You take this stuff way too seriously. I'll comment when I want to comment, and I don't need your help to make you look like an idiot--you do a great job of that already.

If you look at the screenshot posted by Jenz above, you can see that it says "Man found..." so I don't think it's Juliet in the casket. And I am not sure where people are getting the idea that it could be Jack in there. My guess is Henry, but only because of what Jack said about not being friend or family.

I thought the episode was great. And although it may knock me down a peg or two on your ladder, Daniel, I will miss Charlie. I enjoyed everything he did last night. I shudder to think of what Claire and Hurley's reactions are going to be when they find out he didn't make it. Poor Hurley. After he saved the day!!!! He has to find out his best bud bit it.

The flash forward thing about made my husband throw something at the tv. He is not a fan of knowing some of them get off the island. He says it ruins the mystery for him. I disagreed with him and told him there was stilly PLENTY of mysteries left to uncover. He still maintains it would lose its magic. I DO hope that if they truly are changing the format of the show that they stay grounded on the island and show flashforwards, instead of showing the future and having 'how they got off the island' be the flashbacks as some have suggested.

What else? Oh, I agree that Walt wasn't really Walt, but I did wonder why they made the decision to have his hair like that. It obviously looked like it had grown out which would indicate that he is still somewhere on the island, cuz I am guessing he'd cut it after he got home. Either that, or he just chose to wear it long for the coolness factor. Either way, too bad the boy couldn't get some of Richard's anti-aging eyeliner. He could have appeared not to age and looked as Locke remembered him.
Ah well, it's going to be a long time until Feb. Look forward to your recaps of Season One Daniel!

I just looked at the lost easter egg website and it shows a screencap of the obituary article and it looks like it says

"The body of Jo____ _antham of New York was ____ shortly after 4 a.m. in the ___ of Grand Avenue."

I can't think of anyone on the show with the last name ending with "antham". The first letter was blurry but it looked like an "L".

-- As for Charlie's death, a few people asked me, "Why did he close the door? Why didn't he swim out the window?" Because Desmond told him he had to die for everyone to be saved. He wanted Desmond's vision to come true, down to every last detail.
-Daniel

i think he closed the door so the water wouldn't get into the main part of the station, which wouldn't have been too good for desmond, since he knew that mihkail was about to blow him up

and i think he didn't go out the window because he couldn't with one-eye right there.

or something like this.

sorry to see you go, ol' charlie boy.

A few thoughts: At first I thought that it had to be Ben in the casket...but then I realized that I cannot imagine him being anywhere but the island! He would never leave it alive (willingly), and I can't really picture him living in normal society...so I'm siding with those who say it's Locke. Although I also liked the idea that maybe it's someone that we don't even know about yet!

As I was watching, I made a comment that I would not be satisfied with this finale if Michael and Walt (or at least a MENTION of them) weren't in it. I screamed when I saw Walt, and even though it wasn't really what I was looking for, that was enough for me. That's the storyline that frustrates me the most on the show, though...I need ANSWERS about those two!!!

I LOVE that the funeral home was an anagram...that's the sort of thing that makes Lost so clever! I did have a little inkling of it being a flash forward, but I wasn't sure because that's awfully definitive for Lost- giving us a real answer that they get off the island.

Also, how intriguing that Jack's dad may be alive in the future...I wonder if he and Claire find out about their relation if their dad's still around...

One last thing: Daniel, the Lost people should really have you on the payroll, because when I read that you were going to do Lost Diaries for the earlier seasons, my first thought was that I'm gonna need to go out and buy the dvds right away to rewatch along with your Diary!

This is what the secret message says on the oceanic-air.com website, if you highlight it you can read it:
I survived a horrific plane crash and am stranded on an island somewhere Northeast of Australia and Southwest of Hawaii. In the event that I am never found, please forward word of my fate to my parents.

Sawyers child with his Ex was a girl. She went to visit him in jail and showed him a picture but I don't recall what her name is.

Daniel~ Thanks so much for the great commentary. I look forward to reading every week!

"Everyone ALIVE on the island will die" ~Henry, speaking to Jack before the fight.

Why did he throw the word ALIVE in there. You can only die if you are alive, duh. Do people come back? Jack's dad? I'm so obsessed.

Did anyone else think that the woman in the car crash and the child, were Juliet's sister and nephew? I instantly thought this!! Someone tell me I am not crazy!

Would the age (8) of the kid make sense? Juliet left when her sis was early pregnant.

I totally thought that was her! Am I wrong??

Was NOT Sun and Jin on the plane.

I think it is Locke in the casket.

Does anyone else need a drink during/after the show? I get so worked up that I have trouble sleeping!!

I love reading everyone's comments, you guys do a great job.

EW.com has an interview Domonic Monaghan and it seems pretty clear that Charlie is dead.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20040051,00.html

Robin, I totally agree with you that it's Sawyer in the coffin and Kate's going home to Ben. Maybe there's something Ben is holding over their heads to keep Kate with him and making Jack freak out.

When I read the posts here I keep getting the feeling that people think Ben is Alex's biological father. Ben is not Alex's biological father. Alex was taken just like the kids from the plane. I wonder if her boyfriend Karl was taken and from who ro where.

OMG I just thought about the whole Kate and Ben thing, If Kate is Annie then her going home to Ben works. Plus she seemed almost afraid of the "HE" at home knowing where she was.

Rich - what is your problem? Seriously!

For the record, I thought it looked like it could be Sun and Jin on the plane at the beginning, too. Is that really so wrong? I'm quite sure that's what the writers/producers wanted us to think.

Another site is listing the name in the newspaper article as "Jeremy Bentham". I guess this will be a character introduced next season or something, maybe someone from the boat. According to Wiki that is also the name of an english philosopher.

I'm not sure about the annie=kate thing, but per my earlier post I do think it is possible that Kate is pregnant by Ben.

I did read an interesting theory on another blog that if Kate is pregnant, the child may have been conceived on the other island and this may explain why she could live and give birth. The first time she had sex with Sawyer was on the other island and if Ben did rape her that would have given two chances to become impregnated on the other island.

Some of you are so good at word games...

"Pascal Flats" was written on the map Henry was drawing on before setting out to the radio tower. Any thought on these words??

Hi Amy,

I think Pascal Flats is a country music rock group.

Whitney

Okay I may get fired today... I have done virtually nothing but read this blog. Do the producers know what they've done??

The "Kate is Annie in the future" and Sawyer is the one in the casket is the best theory so far, IMO.

I went home at lunch and re-watched the funeral scene. I think Jack said "Either", rather than "Neither". Anyone else?

I think that's Rascal Flatts.

Rich, is there any chance you could stop acting like a colossal tool and singling posters out? You're acting like an imbecile.

Great episode!

I believe the person in the casket MUST be Michael. When Jack parked in front of the "FLASH FORWARD" funeral home, there were a few black guys standing there, and the funeral home director was black. The producers of the show wouldn't include such details without meaning to suggest that the person in the casket is also black. Michael double-crossed the survivors (and killed a couple of them) to save his son, Walt. He probably didn't have any friends or family who would attend his funeral. The fact that Walt didn't even attend tells me that Walt is dead, which explains Locke's hallucination before he pulled the trigger in the mass grave.

I think that there definitely could be an Annie that will show up but it seems like Kate would remember being on the island. When she gave Ben the dolls she was old enough to remember a place. I think he either let her die when he orchestrated the death over the others because she wouldn't go along with his plan or that he may have made her pregnant when they were younger and she died. Maybe this happened soon before Rousseau's baby was born and that is why he took her. He also may see the relationship that his daughter and Karl have as a parallel to his relationship with Annie and that is why he is so paranoid about her getting pregnant.

OK, I just Googled Jeremy Bentham and Wikipedia states that he was a 19th Century Philosopher whose influences were JOHN LOCKE and DAVID HUME, among others. This simply can't be a coincidence. I now believe that we have yet to meet the mystery man in the casket.

And on a weird side note - he supported the decriminalization of sodomy. Totally unrealated, but darn funny!

OK - Actually had to do work, so didn't get to read all of the posts.

I really think they are in a different life/time line.. because the crash happened they veered off the time line they were initially on, their balance is now off. I dont know if that makes any sense whatsoever, but we all know it's going to be sci fi explained.

I think the Kate not being arrested could just be explained by her taking another person's identify when they got rescued and by keeping a low profile. She did meet Jack somewhere very shady. Also, it was that one Marshall in particular that had it in for her, so maybe that he is dead she no longer has someone constantly on her tail.

That coffin was def short. If it was a man, then it was not Locke and def not tall sexy Sawyer. Well at least it better not be Sawyer.

Well Widsl, you could be right. After all, we're only half way through the story with another 3 seasons left to go. There might be a new character introduced who was (is?) even more reviled than Michael or Ben.

Hi Rachel! I rewound it and heard "either" too. That made if very interesting, is it a real relative or just figuratively as all the Losties are like brothers and sisters now. Hmm.....

Did Rousseau give birth before or after the purge? She said she left that message 3 days before she gave birth to Alex. So did her crew die in the purge? or?
And Ben can't be the biological father if it was after the purge because wouldn't Rousseau have died giving birth?

Have they ever told us exactly how long ago the purge took place?

I forgot to mention this.. Have we ever heard of the Others Temple before??

We all know that Richard is in a new TV show.. could he be in both? Or are they not going to go into the history of the Others/hostile/possible Pirrrrates?!??!

Maybe once Jacob accepts you as living on his island you can live forever.. As it be Richard doesn't really age, Ben heals, as does Locke and Mikali?

Any thoughts on that one?

Still want answers to the Whispers. Which are def dead people from the island conversing while a real life Lostie is in fear....

Oh so many questions that i hate this long hiatus. So NOT FAIR!

I knew that it was a flash-forward when they showed Jack using a RAZR phone right before he went into the funeral. When I first saw the phone, I thought that they had really dropped the ball by showing him using a phone that wasn't available before the crash (2004). Then it dawned on me that they were telling us that it was a flash-forward.

I am currently in the middle of an argument with a coworker concerning the space-time continuum. He thinks that the future we saw last night will change with whatever happens in the coming seasons. I think that the show has been very true to flashbacks, so why wouldn't that extend to flash-forwards? It seems totally viable to me that Jack would fall victim to a post-traumatic stress/Lord of the Flies type situation. Much like the movie "Castaway" which shows us how difficult readjusting to life can be, combined with Jack's addictive personality, this is a glimpse at the fall of Jack Shepard. He easily adapted to the role of leader on the island, but back at home he's the same old Jack with all his faults (not that he is lacking his faults on the island).

Its Charlie! Tell Ben I said hi!-Charlie
best charlie quote ever. glad he managed that one before he died.

Long time reader, first time poster.....I didn't see this in anyone else's comments so I thought I would mention the idea in regards to future Jack being so messed up about being OFF the island....kinda made me think about that one horror movie where the kids cheat death by getting off the plane that ends up crashing and then the reeper comes for them one by one becuase they were "supposed" to die that night. Well, it seemed to me that Jack wasn't so upset that someone (with possibly a J name) died, but that ANOTHER person died...and that is why they "HAVE TO GO BACK". Maybe he's losing it because he was the one that got them off of the island and since then things are going way wrong for each of them and the only way to "fix" it is to go back..."they weren't supposed to leave".

Just a thought......I HOPE I am wrong, though-I can't watch a whole season of bad stuff happening to the losties!!-I guess, bad stuff other than black smoke monsters, polar bears, others! Ha!

Drewb, thanks for posting that _antham, I totally thought I saw that too!

I think its either Locke or Ben in the casket. It has to be someone with no family. People like Locke but at this point people dont like that he isnt trying to get off this island.

Juliet said last nite that she knew where they can find more guns or weapons at, right? Am i mistaken? If that was the case, shouldnt she have brought that up earlier!!?? Maybe i am wrong since she didnt have them later.

Sawyer is acting like a d*ck. You would think he would be happy that he finally got to murder the Real Sawyer! Maybe he feels there is nothing to live for now. Nothing to look forward to. I guess Kate being pregnant doesnt do it. After he killed Mr. Friendly, they panned into his face and he looked CRAZY like we are going to be seeing a more violent Sawyer next season.

I am sorry to see Charlie go. He and Claire had a nice little family unit going. I thought it was kinda cool (if not totally believable) the way he let Desmond know that Penny did not send Naomi. I think its a little crazy for the Producers to send more "others" to the Island. When we still havent figured out this set!

well, that was a good episode. But the ending scene with jack and kate kind of annoyed me. Because if it turns out Jack just screwed them all with that phone call and they die I'm really gonna get pissed.

R.I.P=Mr. Friendly, those two girls in the hatch,patchy the other,(I think, he better be im sick of that guy coming back from the dead.), a bunch of random others and of course... Charlie.

charlie, you may have been an umimportant charactor but I am happy you did some awesome stuff before you died... rest in peace man.

2 things...(1)when Jack made reference to get his father from upstairs, I think he was referring to heaven, not a floor above them, perhaps not contradicting the thought that Christian is still dead...(2) if you look at the paper that Jack is holding, you can see that a "man" died, his first name beginning with "J" & last name ending with "ntham"...So It's not: James 'Sawyer' Ford, Jin Kwon, John Locke, Jack Shephard, or any other name we've heard yet ...I'm voting for Jacob XXXntham

I really don't think it was Sun sitting behind Jack. It looks like her but definitely is not her.

I have a feeling Charlie will be back for season 4. I can't tell you why, just a feeling.

Oh, just a few more thoughts... I have always said that Jack's father is not dead. He was not in the coffin when Jack found it on the island, and I think he staged his death. So, when Jack refers to him in the "flash forward," he is really referring to his father -- nothing more, nothing less. That may explain (in part) why Jack was so messed up.

Also, is it just me or was Walt's reappearance annoying? Not because it was Walt (I really miss him and I was not happy that they wrote him out of the storyline basically two years ago) but because he is growing up -- he is taller and his voice is changing. The kid can't help it, but the survivors have only been on the island for a few months and the show has been on for three years and probably in production longer than that. Most actors can re-appear in an episode (Shannon in a bad wig, anyone?)and not appear too much older -- not one Walt's age!!!!

But didn't Jack see his Dad on a slab in a morgue? Seems pretty dead.

I think it is possible that all of the characters that are at the tower will be "rescued" off the island (forcibly or not) at the beginning of the season. This would leave Jin,Sawyer, Juliet, Desmond,Bernard. Maybe the flash forward is a couple of years from the "rescue" and Jack has been torturing himself with the thought that some of the others got left on the island.

Episode was good, but I have mixed emotions. I really don't want it to be set up that season 4 takes place in the "real world", I like being on the island, there are too many questions unanswered, being in the real world just adds too many for my little brain to comprehend :-)

I just watched a few parts again and he says "Either" about whether the person in the coffin is a friend or family. I thought he said neither, but I watched his lips and he said either for sure. I will have to rethink my theory about it being Ben in the coffin. I like the idea that he is upset about another person from the island dying, not necessarily who it is that died. there is a lot to think about this summer, can't wait for the DVD to come out...February is a long way away....

I just found this site, I love it. So many questions answered. I have a question, please don't kill me for it. I don't think it was ever explained about Ben and Danielle, and Alex being Ben's daughter. Was Danielle pregnant on the island? How did she survive the pregnancy. How did her and Ben hook up. Unless it was explained in the first two seasons which I watched last spring. Any comments??

Is season four beginning in February?! WTF! Why is ABC (or the producers) screwing with this show's schedule so much?! The three month layoff during season 3 really angered me and a LOT of viewers. For them to mess with the schedule again shows a lack of intelligence on the part of whoever decided that season 4 won't even begin until February 2008! What a bunch of losers they are!

Did noone notice that when Jack went to the funeral and was asked if he was family or friend, he DIDN'T say "neither" he said "EITHER"!! Just thought I would mention that, its been driving me crazy.

It was never officially explained and we don't know for sure that Ben is her father. I don't think he is.

Not sure if anyone else found it peculiar that Locke COULDN'T shoot Jack, just like he COULDN'T kill his own dad. It may be nothing, but wouldn't it be neat if the reason he was special was because he couln't take a life? Also, my husband just kept yelling that whole sceene "just shoot the darn phone!" That would have solved the problem, no?

It was never officially explained and we don't know for sure that Ben is her father. I don't think he is.

One more thing, what do you guys think Jack means at the end when he tells Kate that he is "sick of Lying", that they made a mistake? I wonder what they are lying about? About where they were, why would they have to lie about that? The government has to have some part in this. Also, I really think that whoever Kate is going home to, she is being held there against her will. She seems frightened about "him" finding out where she is. Just my thoughts....

I'm going to have to agree with some of the other posts on here...
I also saw Sun and Jin sitting in the row behind Jack on the opening "flash forward" scene of the show. Not only were Sun and Jin on the plane, but the guy sitting across the row from Jack sure looked a whole heck of a lot like the speaker guy from the Dharma Orientation videos. I don't think that's a coincidence.

I'm sorry, but I have another question... is that supposed to be Ben's diary on the table next to the coffin?

http://bp0.blogger.com/_8HhjIy50yEY/RlXn8WnofvI/AAAAAAAAAOA/6ZvNrl2vnYk/s1600-h/book2.JPG

um, eva--Locke killed Naomi

Since we are going to have "summer school" during the break I think we will see that Danielle was pregnant when she got to the island.(like Clair was) I thought she told Syied that her baby was taken.

Duh... lol

I guess sometimes your mind sees what it wants to.

Kristen - I don't recall any prior mention of "The Temple", but when I heard it last night the first thing I thought of was that huge pillar that Sawyer's father was chained to. I remember wondering what it was at that time. Part of The Temple?

I'm sorry, but I have another question... is that supposed to be Ben's diary on the table next to the coffin?

http://bp0.blogger.com/_8HhjIy50yEY/RlXn8WnofvI/AAAAAAAAAOA/6ZvNrl2vnYk/s1600-h/book2.JPG

After rewatching the episode, I am sure that is not Jin and Sun behind Jack (you can clearly see their faces). the reason that Asian people are on the plane, is because Jack spends every Friday night flying to various Asian destinations hoping that the plane will crash.

Oops! The pillar comment was mine. Forgot to enter my name 8-}

I'm sorry, but I have another question... is that supposed to be Ben's diary on the table next to the coffin?

http://bp0.blogger.com/_8HhjIy50yEY/RlXn8WnofvI/AAAAAAAAAOA/6ZvNrl2vnYk/s1600-h/book2.JPG

All of these people saying the Asian couple are Sun and Jin are ignorant racists!!! Just because it's an Asian couple means it has to be Sun and Jin? What a disgrace!

Is anyone else sick and tired of Rachel repeating her posts?!?!? What a nincompoop!

just thinking...maybe it was Sawyer in the casket? If Kate IS pregnant and Sawyer wants nothing to do with the child, it could explain why she wouldnt go to the funeral and why she has to hurry back (to her child). Sawyer is a con man. Makes sense for him to drop his name (no use to him any more, he already killed the 'real' Sawyer) and be in seedy areas. And his real name is 'J'ames. Maybe he started using his real name again....

Do you think maybe kate or sawyer faked their deaths? Since they're both wanted.

Rachel, hit the refresh button after you post to avoid repeating your messages.

Is it just me or did anyone else get the idea that Jack (in the flashforwards) could not/would not die. I first got that feeling when the car crashed into his after he got out of it. Then later he walked right into traffic and the cars swearved away with bare inches to spare. That would also explain his constant travel - hoping for the plane to crash and other risk taking behavior. I would love to hear what other people think.

BarbaraB, now you're reaching. I'm sorry, but that was one of the worst suggestions of the day! LOL

Keith,

I though Jack's dad was dead at the morgue too until the episode where Paulo & Nikki were buried alive. Spiders. Artz makes a comment that their bite can make you seem so dead that even a doctor could not tell...

Something about Jack's father just isn't right...

In the first couple of minutes with Jack holding a cell phone, my husband looks at me and goes "That phone just recently came out, so this can't be a flashback". He was spot on.

It felt very Back to the Future Part II, when they were in an alternate future. Loraine was with Biff, etc.

We saw news footage of the crash, etc with Mikail, so maybe if they stay on the island, life goes on. But if they leave the island, which isn't supposed to happen, then they are in an alternate future- where Jack's dad exists, Kate is with Sawyer perhaps, Jack becomes a drug addict, all bad.

Or the reference to Jack's dad may have just been to highlight the fact that he was high and out of it.

Bottom line: loved it!

I had a sort of weird prediction for Lost, however, I'm sure that someone can tell me that it's absolutely incorrect, but I've been thinking about it since last night.

OK, because Jack was referring to his father as though he was still alive, I get the feeling that it really was a flash back. However, we're supposed to think it's some sort of tricky flash forward.

What if Jack and Kate had been in a plane crash together before the Oceanic 815 flight. Jack wants a plane to crash again so badly and surprise, when he's on the Oceanic 815 flight with Kate it does. They end up on the island all over again. Maybe that's why Kate didn't seem like a fugitive at the end of the finale, because she wasn't yet..

Maybe Jack and Kate decided to spin it like they didn't know each other, maybe that's why Jack so easily took the position of leader. I know that this is completely unfeasible because at the end of the finale Jack still wants off the island but I just thought I'd throw it out there.. people may have some variations on a similar idea.

i think it would be super cool for the writers to show flash forwards from now on, but who would they feature in each episode without letting on to who died on the island and who didnt? i always thought that the big rescue episode would come in season five and the last season would show how they are prolly "Lost" in their new lives. looks like im not far off in the prediction.

i almost hurled when i saw Juliet kiss Jack. gross.

First time poster here - I love this blog, although I didn't actually find it until about halfway thru the 2nd part of season 3, so I guess you wouldn't say I'm a "REAL" fan! ;0) But, I have a quick question & I know I'm opening myself up for insults, but just curious where the blog is coming from - I'm on the east coast US, & I thought Daniel was on the west coast, but all the time stamps are like 4 hours ahead of east coast time. Can someone explain please?

A few thoughts....

I also saw on another site that people believe the name on the obit is Jeremy Bentham. When you look him up it's really interesting....he came up with this idea for a prison (Panopticon) in which a person can observe all the prisoners without the prisoners knowing they're being watched....
Hmmmmm....I dunno, sounds quite interesting.
Plus, if the name is that of another philosopher it would go along well Locke, Rousseau, and Hume (all last names of other characters).

Also, I think that Walt reappearing was obviously not Walt. I think that the "black smoke" or Jacob or whatever rules the island has the power to become whatever it wants. I think that's where Walt popping up all over the island, the black horse, Jack's dad, etc all come in. Whatever this thing is, whenever it wants someone to do something or go somewhere it just changes it's shape to something the person wants to see.

Finally, I'm really hoping that this FF is just a possible future, but not a definite one. (As in, this is what happens IF they do get off the island) Also if next season is shot from this possible future with only flashbacks to the island, or with Jack trying to return to the island....I will be very, VERY upset...I want to see them on the island, and fix/solve things on the island first. I think moving back to the mainland is a bit of a cop-out if that's what happens..

Love everyone's comments, btw.

Daniel: Great job on your blog.

What do you guys think of the Losties being rescued by Mr. Widmore's "company"? They're stationed outside of this island, trying to get in, which is what the Others are trying to prevent. Which kinda makes sense if the Others keep saying they're the Good Guys. Maybe they're trying to prevent them from getting to Jacob or the "islands powers". Once rescued, the Losties are told of the islands secrets and that they need to stay a "secret". Back in the real world, some people can live with that request (Kate) and some can't (Jack).

These past 24 hours have been mentally exhausting!!!

"Ay, Brutha"

My firewall at work had some problems today and I'm assuming that is why multiple posts posted. I am sorry Rich DeBerg, that you had to read my WHOLE 21 word comment.

I have refrained from commenting on your thoughtless comments to others in this blog because I didn't want to add fuel to the fire but now I just have to say that you, my friend, are a Tool.

Amen, Rachel!

At least he isn't posting comments under your name to make you sound like as big of an idiot as he is.

I only saw this mentioned by one person and nobody gave any thoughts on it so I'd like to see what everyone else thinks since it's my biggest "wtf" moment of last night...When Henry Gale said that every living person on this island will die. So does that mean that some of them are already dead? Do the dead ones come back to life? I def. think that the word "living" was on purpose.

I don't think Sawyer was being a jerk when he told Hurley he'd just get in the way. If he were being a jerk, he would have called him puff 'n stuff or something. He used his name, Hugo, when he said that he'd just get in the way. I think he was trying to protect Hurley. I thought it rocked that Hurley saved the day!

I do think that just because we are seeing the future that things can still change. I think we're just seeing one possible version of the future.

No clue who is in the coffin, but I think it's someone we haven't met yet.

OK > now I'm off to watch last night's show for the second time so I can watch for the stuff that's been mentioned here that I missed the first time around.

Rachel, don't let "that person" or any other name he goes by make you feel bad for any computer errors or questions you ask, or keep you from blogging. Because then they win. Keep asking questions and you will keep getting everyone's great answers!

As soon as I saw Rockbottom Jack with a RAZOR CELL PHONE I knew it was all a flash forward.
I kept telling my friends, and they're like, "noo, he's talking about his dad!"

Anyways, I'm wondering how did Penny get connected to the Looking Glass station if she's not apart of the group on the boat, and knows nothing about the boat?

Also, there's no way that coffin has Henry Gale or Locke-- neither would leave the island. esp. Henry, why would he choose to leave and live in LA?

First time posting, but I've been a longtime reader...Daniel, I always look forward to your blog, especially after last night's episode!

I agree that Locke should have shot the phone. But maybe he wanted it to be a test for Jack, a test that Jack didn't pass, since he answered the phone.

For as useless of a character as Charlie had been, he was awesome in the last several episodes, so I'm a little sad to see him go. I admit, I got a little misty when little Aaron cried at the same moment Charlie died.

I doubt that Alex is Ben's biological daughter. I think she was taken from Rousseau, just like the 815 kids were taken. She just had the fortune of being raised as Ben's daughter.

Thanks for reminding me leelee!! WTF is Penny just sitting in front of her web cam waiting for someone on the island to be there???? That bugged the hell out of me. I think Penny is a stalker.

Philip K Dick would be proud of the season finale twist. Others others and more others? (I think it's the dharma people They're the real bad guys) Who was in the coffin? Locke?
Did Walt and his dad ever leave the island? Have they been hiding out all this time? Is Charly dead? Is red green and green blue? I don't know, do you. Do you????

What about the possibility that the person in the casket is actually named Jacob Bentham? That the all powerful Jacob is nothing more than a mere mortal off the island, and it is he that dies......

"I have a feeling Charlie will be back for season 4. I can't tell you why, just a feeling."

Well, I no longer have this feeling. I just saw an interview with Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse. They were interviewed by George Pennacchio of ABC News. Both confirmed that Dominic Monaghan's character Charlie was definitely killed off.

"We felt like this was the conclusion that was going to be the best for the story of Lost, even though it was painful to lose Dominic from our cast." - Cuse

"The story was really saying that it was time for Charlie to die." - Lindelof

"It also signals to the audience that nobody is safe." - Lindelof

RIP Charlie.

Lindelof also talked about Claire's baby and the baby's role in the story of Lost:

"I think that there is a real significance to the fact that this is the only baby that's been born on this island for a very long time, and I think that makes the baby special. We are going to ... be further ...dealing with that storyline in the future."

I know everyone is picking apart the screenshots to figure out who is in the coffin, but I think the thing everyone is missing is that Jack calls Penny right after he reads the newspaper.

Does this mean that it is Desmond who has died? But why is he in LA? And why would no one, including Penny, show up to his funeral?
Or if it's not Desmond-- then why is Jack calling Penny??

Wait a minute, I can't remember... Do we know if Rouseau gave birth to Alex ON the island? I mean, she didn't die afterwards though... Is it that they say that those who conceive on the island die after birth, or those that just give birth (although they got pregnant off the island). Sorry if that sounds a bit choppy. Can someone clarify for me please just when and where she gave birth to Alex...?

So, what I'm getting at is any possible theory that maybe Henry Gale is her biological dad can be axed, because Frenchie's still alive. I mean, did she bring Alex as an infant on board, or did she not realize she was pregnant when her research team began their excursion... so then they crashed and she ended up giving birth there...

I'm just trying to understand the whole Henry Gale, Alex and Rouseau connection and why did he want to raise a daughter and why didn't he train her more to follow him? Now that I think about it I'm surprised she is soooo rebelious, how could he not have caught on sooner? The reunion between mother and daughter totally sucked.

I think the flash-forward was not 100% certain and is only a possible scenario. My prediction is they will continue a flash forward theme and I don't think they're getting off the island... any time soon at least.

I at first thought it was Juliette in the funeral home... But, now after reading and talking with some people I really think it was Henry Gale. It couldn't have been that much longer after they were rescued that it all also happened, cause Kate looked the same and Jack can grow a beard in a couple months... And Gale wouldn't last long in the real world.

So it wasn't Penny's boat?.... Well, what are any connections we can make between Naomi having that photo, and Penny and Desmond???? Something I'd love to hear other opinions on as I try to think of one thing. And I'd prefer to leave Penny's dad out of it. I mean, he hated Desmond so much, why would he be involved in any attempt to find him? To kill him? That'd just be stupid..

And I also don't think Charlie died. I think he will come through afterall.

Hey leelee. What makes you think that Jack phoned Penny?????

Cally K, Rousseau conceived Alex off the island but Alex was born on the island. Remember at the radio tower she said she sent that signal either 3 days before Alex was born or 3 days after. I can't remember. Henry stole Alex after Rousseau gave birth to her and raised Alex as his own. Women only die when they conceive children on the island.

How do you know Jack called Penny? I totally missed that if that is the case.

The person in the coffin is somebody we haven't met yet. If you look closely at the clipping in Jack's hand it says the name of the person is J Antham.

My assistant thinks the person inside the coffin is Jacob (or the incarnation of that thing), a character yet to be introduced.

I personally think it can't be Henry (too easy).

Thank you Susan for the clarification about when Alex was born.

I also didn't understand why someone thinks Jack called Penny.

I'm considering everything being said about that article as pure speculation until the show actually develops it more next season. As much as we all think we could read any of it, no one can actually confirm anything.

Rachel- I'm not sure if thats Bens diary on the table but it certainly looks similar. But I'm sure the creators wouldn't make it that easy.

Does anyone else remember when Jack tries to get his script filled at the pharmacy the pharmacist mentioned that he can't prescribe for himself? Jack stated his father Christian did and the pharmacist never disagreed with him. She even offered to call his office and began to dial didn't she???

So is Jack's dad alive?

I gotta go rewatch this!

I personally think Jacks dad is still dead. He says why dont you got upstairs(heaven) and if i mdrunker than him then you fire me. Of course he cant get to Jacks dad because he is dead; I think Jack was just being a smartass. Also when jack was tring to get the refill perscription the girl tried to call Jacks dad Jack stopped her because she when she would have called his office she would have found out that he is dead and Jack forged the signature

So I watched it again with the closed captioning on..and I picked up these two things that seemed to go unnoticed...
1) The woman in the car accident is Mrs. Arlen, Dr Hammill mentions that when speaking to Jack right after he steals the drugs
2) The man who answers the radio call is Minkowski, before saying hello, he reponds to the call by his name.
Thought that might be useful info.

Sidenote to the EITHER/NEITHER thing...according to closed captioning, it's NEITHER

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Mikhail returns..those close screen shots really show some scars, so it's obvious he's been through a lot of crap, not just what we have seen...although you would think a spear the the heart would do it.

I definitely think that Richard will appear next season and that he plays a vital role in all of this..I mean seriously, the man doesn't age...that has to mean something.

And this really bothers me...why was Penny ready as soon as the station stopped jamming? That just seems really weird, does she just sit there all day?? How did she know to be there at that exact moment?
And the background reminded me of the Dharma backgrounds, all fake.

The last thing, I too think that the person in the coffin is unknown to us..I mean Jack is visibly upset, sobbing, tears and on the brink of suicide...so why would it be Locke or Henry in the casket? And who would he call about Locke or Ben to leave a message?

Hye guys u really need to check out the oceanic site. besied the hidden message of the surviver go to the track flights link and on flight 572 the status is Giveus the airpot is THE and the arrival airport is BOY
: GIVE US THE BOY : DOnt know if anyone else has notice just some thing i saw

can anyone get a screen shot of the news clipping jack had in his hand? (like the screen shot of the mysterious jacob person sitting in the chair when locke hears him say "help me.") that would tell us all we need to know about who is in the casket.

Sorry bud, but I do not believe for one second that you picked up on the fact that the bearded Jack was in the future, so early in the show. You're not THAT good. You added that later, before you posted this. Admit it.

PS I agree with the poster who said that Charlie might still be alive. If Micael can have 9 lives, Charlie can have two...

Oh, one more thing. I also did a freeze frame of Jack with the note the second time he looked at it. I also saw the reference to J and the loft in New York and all that. I think the J they found dead, as noted in the paper, was John Locke. That's who's in the casket.

I also thought it was odd that the pharmacist didn't think it was strange that Jack's dad wrote the prescription. I mean, he was the former chief of surgery, I would think his death would be big news, and the pharmacist would be aware of it.

I think the chief of surgery dying is big news in a small town, but not in LA.

The moment that tipped me off that it was a flash forward was the look on Jack's face during the turbulence. It was the look of a man who was preparing for a crash.

Um... 8 f*cking MONTHS!!! What the f*cking f*ck?! 8 MONTHS?!

8 months... why not make it a year. Hey, how about two? I don't know if I can wait 8 months. I thought this entire show was already written. What could they possibly need 8 months to do?!

I did some research on Minkowski (the name of the guy on the "other" Others' freighter who talked to Jack) and found Hermann Minkowski, known for the theory of "Minkowski spacetime", in which the time and space are not separated entities but intermingled in a four dimensional space-time. I figure that connection can't be a coincidence!

I think also that Charlie is definitely dead, but will likely be featured for flashbacks. If Claire and the baby are (according to the producers) going to be more significant, I don't see how it will be avoided.

Oops - that was my post on Minkowski - I forgot to fill in my name.

Maybe this is unimportant, and I may have missed something, but I was curious if Mr. Friendly and the Others storming the beach deliberately disobeyed Henry Gale when he told them to kill Sayid, Jin and Bernard if they didn't hear him radio back? I had been anticipating some sort of dissention among the Others ranks, with Richard/Locke leading the charge to overthrow Henry Gale. So maybe that was the start of it?

On the flip side, did Henry Gale know that Sayid, Jin and Bernard had not actually been killed and he was just trying to mess with Jack to get him to hand over the phone? Or did he assume that his orders had been carried out, and he learned he had been ignored when Hurley gave the update from the beach?

I think that he truly learned about their disobedience after the fact. He has been threatened by John Locke's potential as a new leader under Jacob, and all of these disobediences are the unraveling of the power he held over the "others."

I dont know if anyone else caught onto this. I didn't until I watched it the 2nd time. When jack goes to the funeral home notice the neighborhood. Its a African-American neighborhood. They actually go out of the way to let us know this fact. Does it hold some meaning or relation to the person in the coffin?

SO SO SO much thrown out there for us to think about that I haven't yet been able to process it on a coherent level. I just want to see what others (not those "others") think of my random thoughts. The whole FF thing - I thought about Ebenezer Scrooge with the last spirit, the spirit of things to come. Were these visions absolute or could his actions change his outcome!! C'mon Jack a frickin junkie!! Next - how would Jack know about Sawyers kid!? Poor fated Charlie - yes he definitely had to go - but did anyone get the musician thing? Sorry, but I actually felt a little happy for the poor geezer when he welled up with pride at a musician would save Claire. Now Mikhail - When the time comes & I have a harpoon shot thru my chest,(Not to mention having had my ears blown out just days earlier) I want to be able to swim, laugh, get on diving gear etc. with such ease!! What's up with him - Why won't or can't he die? How about the question Mik asked the girl's - weren't they supposed to be on a sailboat to Canada? The boat that Walt & Michael left on? My husband blurted out - Someone f'd up -thats a crazer, it's brand new. Someone was asleep at the wheel - that's when I knew for sure it was a FF. Also why didn't new COS blink when Jack said to get his father down. Finally Hurley got his moment in the VW that he felt changed his luck - and yet where Ben killed his dad!! Kind of a screw you again Ben moment.

I am still wondering how did Ben become the official leader of the "Others". How did Richard and his clan of "Others" get on the island before the Dharma Initiative.

I was just watching the Desmond "Flashes Before Your Eyes" episode, I think that episode really says a lot, especially with the whole time thing AND fate vs. free will. Now, two things that Ms. Hawking says to Desmond in that episode I thought were worth posting...

First she says (after explaining why he can't buy the ring)"..if you don't do those things, Desmond David Hume, then every single one of us is dead" - And we know that she's an other from the times we saw her with them...so "us" has some weight in that statement...at least I think so.

Then outside she says this "..you don't do it because you choose to, you do it becasue you're supposed to...which ties into Locke saying "You're not supposed to do this Jack"

And I also learned by watching that episode that, all this time I thought they were saying "the universe has a way of cross- correcting itself" when she really says "course-correcting"...I put the closed capitoning on and that's what it says.

Daniel, Awesome blog. Longtime reader, first time poster..the commentary in the blog is great....very thought provoking...unfortunately, I think charlie will live. (hence, desmond's theory about everyone being rescued will not come true). Did anyone see locke run behind the tower when jack was talking on the sat phone? it would take a few minutes (at least) for those on the other end of the phone to track the island's position. locke will somehow stop that from happening. he will destroy the tower somehow..

I can't wait til january. so many questions:
casket-> j locke, j sawyer,j netham, jacob, ben??? will ben reunite with annie ?? jack's dad alive in the future (if they don't get rescued it makes sense because then jack would just be dreaming??) - same with kate not being a fugitive anymore..

Keep up the great work, Daniel!!!

I was just watching the Desmond "Flashes Before Your Eyes" episode and a two things that Ms. Hawking says to Desmond sparked my curiousity.
First she says (after explaining why he can't buy the ring)"..if you don't do those things, Desmond David Hume, then every single one of us is dead" - And we know that she's an other from the times we saw her with them...so "us" has some weight in that statement...at least I think so.
Then outside she says this "..you don't do it because you choose to, you do it becasue you're supposed to...which ties into Locke saying "You're not supposed to do this Jack"

Also, I all this time I thought they were saying "cross correcting" when it's really "course-correcting"...I put the closed capitoning on and that's what it says...

I find it hard to believe that Ben would be in the casket because Jack was so upset when he found out that "someone" had died... would he really be that upset if it were Ben?

Charlie is dead. The producers have said that outright, though they kept open the possibility of bringing him back in other ways - he just won't be a living character anymore. He may be in flashbacks, or dreams, or visions, but he didn’t survive the Looking Glass.

Here is my theory about Ben. I think Annie died in childbirth, so Ben was a factor in two deaths through childbirth - his mom's and Annie's. If this happened before the pregnancy problem started up, then Ben's guilt (and psychic connection with the island) about both deaths might be the cause of all of the problems now. It would be really interesting to know WHEN women started dying during pregnancies. Were the Dharma folks able to reproduce safely? I would also like to know about Karl's history, since he is evidently going to be part of the story now (I really thought he would bite the bullet in the finale). Who are his parents? Could he be Ben's son with Annie, but Ben holds so much resentment against him that Ben despised him too much to raise him? Maybe Karl and Alex are going to be Adam and Eve - if they were both born on the island (not necessarily conceived), maybe they can break the curse. It's a long stretch, I know, but I do want to know more about Karl's background now.

I took the photo that was taken of the newspaper clipping in photoshop and blew it up (yes, I'm nerd) and it definitely says a Man was found.

I got the sense that the island was more "alive" in some way this episode. I'm not sure if was the reference to the Temple or the island defending itself or what. I don't know much about South Asian mythology, but I got the idea that perhaps the island is a place-god. For lack of a better name, I started thinking of the island as "Kali."

DID I FIND SOMETHING? Hey guys I was rewatching some of the last few episodes and this conversation struck me.

From "The Looking Glass"

Naomi: "What band?"

Charlie: "We were called Driveshaft."

Naomi: "Yeah, Yeah I know you!"

Charlie: "We had a moment in the sun"

Naomi: "No, not that. The crash. You're the dead rock star! They made a big deal outta you when they found the plane. Huge memorial service,a new album-"

Charlie: "Theres a new album?"

Naomi: "Yeah, God it was everywhere! A greatest hits thing...

Ok so heres my point just exactly how much time has passed? Because I don't think its enough "island time" for a record company to put out a greatest hits album. And for Naomi to say it "was" everywhere to me implies it was awhile ago.

Some of these comments and theories being posted (lostnewbie / Juan / Edward / Vanessa ) are really DUMB! I wish there was a common sense filter before posts were allowed on the site - then we wouldn't have to waste our time with some of this useless crap!

I rewatched most of it last night and concluded a couple of things, for myself at least.

Not Sun and Jin on the plane in the FF. While it appeared to be them at first blush, a second look revealed that they are just a young Asian couple with similar hairstyles.

I agree that the casket looks on the smallish side. But wouldn't SOMEONE be at the wake of a child or teenager? Weird.

I rewound several times to hear Jack's answer to the "Friend or Family?" question. I am convinced he is saying NEITHER. If you watch closely, you'll see that his tongue is at the roof of his mouth when he starts the word (to make the "N" sound") If he had said "either", he wouldn't have done that. Try it for yourself!

Yep. I know I'm a freak.

SARAHZ: Great catch on the dialog between Charlie and Naomi. I'm putting together a theory after watching this episode and this revelation feeds right into it.

Good Job!

I like the thought that Rockbottom Jack could be a Desmond vision of what could happen if they left the island…

And while I agree Bernard caved fast (remember he’s not Rambo) just think of what would NOT have happened had he NOT caved…we would not have been able to see Jack kick Henry’s a$$ and no Rousseau and Alex mother/daughter meeting, Rousseau elbow smack to Henry’s face (loved that). So REALLY Bernard didn’t change the fact that they were still able to make it to the tower and make the phone call….what the Losties wanted all along.

I know, I know so many guesses about who is in the casket. And since everyone else is guessing I will too: DESMOND….think about it. He has “visions” of what could happen. So maybe he has visions of what could happen to them all OFF the island… and doesn’t tell the Losties the truth about what could happen if they get off and screwed everyone’s life up in the REAL world just so he could get back to Penny….just a thought

Also when Jack’s ex Sara said it wouldn’t be “appropriate” for her to give him a ride home I thought that was a really odd thing to say. Unless…she is now with Jack’s dad and pregnant with his (Jack’s dad) child….I know I'm reaching here…

Jim I like the idea of a common sense filter because then we wouldn't have had to read your comment. I think everyone is entitled to their own ideas & theories. Just because it's not the same as yours you shouldn't put people down. I made a stupid comment earlier about the time stamps on posts, yes, I know it was stupid, but I was just curious. Everyone ignored it & that's ok with me. If you don't agree with something just ignore it, you'll be much less stressed.

Traci,
Calm down chica. I actually was wondering the same thing about the time stamps, so don't beat yourself up too bad. Your comment was fine.
But please refer to Edward's comment at "05:06 AM", about the funeral home being in a black neighborhood. Well, that idea was already posted 3-4 times already. So forgive me if I on't appreciate Edward's lack of originality or irresponsinility in posting someone else's idea.
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Lisa: total genius. I really agree with your hypothesis. Further to your #2 and Henry's "alive" comment, perhaps Others and Losties who are killed (John Locke now being one) can somehow be resurrected (by Jacob/the Island) and given a kind of immortality, which would explain Mikhail's invincibility and Richard's eternal good looks.

With your read, in the FF Jack's dad was alive, and yes, Kate is with her old flame and not on the lamb since she chose to not commit the crime. Jack's ex-wife is still an ex because the change he made in his past (to not report his father's alcoholism) didn't effect the status of his marriage. Their "lying" is not telling anyone in their lives about the Island/their alternate life paths since in the FF time line they never crashed. That the chief of surgery was a physical therapist before (that guy who treated Locke --mentioned in someone's earlier post) indicates there are two unrelated time lines going on here. Some fateful decisions lie in between...

My guess is it's Locke in the casket since Kate and Jack both have conflicted feelings about him, and he was the one who gained the most on the island--his suicide would be the most dispiriting to Jack since it would underline the bad choice they made by leaving the Island/changing their past decisions.

I like the FF move by the writers since it takes the thrust of the show away from "rescue" -- this one moment we are all waiting for which, precisely because we're all waiting for it, is bound to be a disappointment -- and makes the Island and its mysteries/potential the main focus of the show.

Other random thoughts: I think somehow the continuum idea will make it so "the musician" who programmed the Looking Glass code was Charlie. Don't ask me how.

And, am I the only one who thinks Sayid is the the absolute best thing going?

I think too much is being made over the casket size. A standard casket is has a 7' exterior length. If you look at the screen shot of Matthew Fox standing over it, his arm span should be relatively close to his height (6'2"). Usually size variations are because people are too tall or fat,so the coffin is bigger. A child coffin is much smaller than this coffin and a teenager would likely be buried in a standard coffin. They are not sized precisely, like shoes.
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Besides, it's irrelevant because we know the newspaper says it was a MAN.

I dont know who posted the theory about the FF being a vision of Desmond. But after thinking about it, its very compelling.

Charlie does ask Desmond if he had anymore flashes, and Des hesitates for a bit, then smiles and says no. Now im thinking, he smiles beacuse the vision was not about Charlie or anyone else dying. Just a thought.

But something that is really bugging me is, what would of happened had Des let charlie dye earlier. Could a real kicker be that Des really fucked up for not letting charlie dye before??? Aside from charlie, Sayid was the only one willing to go on the suicide mission. Had he gone by himself, he would of died at the hands of Mikhail, and the jamming would of continued. But thanks to Des not letting Charlie dye prior, now we have what is potentially the end for the losties. So an early death for Charlie would have been in the survivors best interest.

Which leads me to believe that Desmonds visions have been a test. Which he has failed miserably.

Hi Allan,

Just so you know - it's DIE, not dye.

DIE - [verb] to cease to live. Example: In the Lost finale, Daniel was hoping Charlie would DIE.

DYE - [noun] a coloring material or matter. Example: Blake Lewis of American Idol uses hair DYE.

Also, here's a bonus definition:

ILLITERATE – [adjective] unable to read and write. Example: Judging by his post, it is safe to assume that Allan is ILLITERATE.

Jim

Wow, this board is tough...

Hey Jim,

Why dont you bite it!!

Its early morning and had a brain fart. Here's one for you.

ass·hole
2. Slang. a. a stupid, mean, or contemptible person.

Instead of talking shit for a misspelled word. Why not offer a rebuttal to my theory? Oh wait, maybe you cant. As part of the definition to the latter...

stu·pid adjective, -er, -est, noun
–adjective 1. lacking ordinary quickness and keenness of mind; dull.
2. characterized by or proceeding from mental dullness; foolish; senseless: a stupid question.
3. tediously dull, esp. due to lack of meaning or sense; inane; pointless: a stupid party.
4. annoying or irritating; troublesome: Turn off that stupid radio.
5. in a state of stupor; stupefied: stupid from fatigue.
6. Slang. excellent; terrific.
–noun 7. Informal. a stupid person.

Jim - will you please stop blasting away at everyone that doesn't post up to your expectations? Yes. Allan spelled "die" wrong. But I don't think that necessarily proves him to be illiterate.

You, on the other hand, have pretty well proven yourself to be, to paraphrase Tony's earlier comment to Rich, a colossal tool.

C'mon people lets not trash eachother ok. We are here because we all have ONE thing in common and thats a show that we love. For one reason or another this show and this site draws all of us together. Lets apprecaite that ok?!?!
Respect eachother. I personally LOVE reading everyones comments. I don't care if they are spelled right, if they are from someone who has only seen a few episodes, or even a repeat comment.
We are everybody!

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Allan,

I think it's an interesting idea that Desmond may have caused trouble by trying to stop Charlie's death when it should have naturally happened. I believe the lady from the jewelry shop said something to that effect.

Wow! More comments than ever! I totally thought the same thing about Jack's beard, Daniel.
Awsome season closer-wish I could say the same about Heroes....
It was great to see Walt. I wish Bernard hadn't been such a tattler. But on the bright side----Sayid is still alive!
I don't know if it's a parallel universe, or the hallucinations of a confined psycho on way too many meds, all I know is I love it. And judging from all the posts, there will plenty discussion during the hiatus to keep us all busy.

Funny thing is, as I was writing my post. I had a feeling that I was misspelling that. But literally figured, who gives a shit. I was obviously wrong.

I am currently re-watching the episode. I listened really carefully to the phone number Jack dialed... It was a female voice, but one of those programed voices, and the area code was (310) which is California. I really think he called Kate...

Well, I took a look at a transcript and I was wrong about Ms. Hawking implying that it made things worse to try to change the future, she only said that the universe is course correcting.
There is an interesting theory on this concept though, the "butterfly effect."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect

About that musician/programmer - who was he/she? If the only ones who knew about the true status of the Looking Glass were Henry and the gun totin' gals down under, who did the programming, and where are they now? I mean, Cyclops didn't even know about it - and he was a computer guy. Evidently, Henry trusted someone else with the secret jamming (and who better to jam than a musician?)- I wonder who? It's probably not a big deal, but I am curious.

The butterfly effect theory defenitely applies here. It goes back to what I said, and as you agreed. Had Des let nature take its course, the jamming would of continued.

Now I ask myself, what if he had let Charlie "die" when they where to find Naomi?? I perceive a couple of scenarios:

1: Attending to Charlie would of led to Naomi dying for lack thereof.

2: Attending to Charlie, Mikhail would have eventually ran into a hanging Naomi, brought her down and killed her.

Both would of obviously prevented the events of the looking glass. Either way, Naomi still died, though at the hands of Locke. And Charlie still died as well.

The remaining question would be, if it was imperative for Charlie to actually die after fulfilling his purpose. After all, he could of swam out through the hole. And saved himself, rather than Des saving him....

I have been a fan of Lost since the first episode (not putting down anyone who hasn't), but I have been on many forums. The one thing I hated most was that there seemed to be a core group on each forum and if anyone outside of that core posted something they didn't agree with they got blasted. I don't post a lot, but it still irritated me having to read all the bickering. That was one thing I always liked about the comments on this blog, up to a couple of weeks ago it seemed like everyone got along here. I really hope it doesn't end up like all the other boards. I also get frustrated when it seems like people keep repeating the same ideas, but I just figured they didn't have time to read all the posts before posting. Sometimes that can take quite a long time. I know on days I work I only have a few minutes to spend reading so maybe that's why things get said more than once.

Finally got a chance to catch up on the recent posts...

Nicole and Amy...I think the age of Juliet's nephew actually DOES work. If the "present" time on the Island is still 2004 (still just a couple months after the crash) and the FF takes place in April 2007 (I think I read somewhere that this was the date on the obit for the Mystery Man in Coffin), then Juliet viewing footage of a 3-year old nephew sometime in the not-too-distant past means the boy would be just about 8 in 2007.

Lisa...your speculation about the Island letting people go back and make changes to their lives intrigues me. (An interactive It's a Wonderful Life?) I don't think it's nuts at all! Whether or not it's what the Lost writers ultimately have in mind, it certainly gets at a HUGE philosophical issue: How much does the past constitute who we are, and the corollary question, What is the price of living with regrets?

We are the sum of ALL our experiences, good and bad, and I think sometimes we overlook how strongly the bad experiences shape who we are--often for the better. The knee-jerk response, given the literal opportunity to change terrible things that have happened to us, might be to say: Hell, yes! Erase that brutal assault. Take away that negligent parent. Skip that nasty boyfriend.

But we learn something from every experience, gain insight into people from everyone we come into contact with. Sometimes bad things harden us, make us cynical. But sometimes we also get strong at the broken places--a cliche, I know, but true. I think the Losties are all wrestling with this. On the one hand, they arrive at the Island with a clean slate--no one else on the plane knows who they are or where they've been. On the other hand, your past is always with you--as the flashbacks have been hammering home--shaping your choices, haunting your destiny.

Jayne referenced Scrooge's encounter with his final Ghost. I think this may be an apt analogy to Jack's FF, and perhaps other FF's to come. Maybe our Losties are going to be able to preview their post-Island lives, and get a chance to make choices in the present to change things for the better. But changing things in the past? I hope they'll learn this is playing with fire.

It's definitely a relevant theory. If you'll remember he was originally supposed to die when the lightning struck the roof of the tent. If he was killed then, it certainly would have changed the course of things.

On the other hand, perhaps his 4 brushes with death were not intended to be the true causes of his death, but primers which would ultimately compel him to choose a suicide mission. In other words, would he have acted with such bravery if he had not been facing the realization that his death was near and inevitable?

Did anyone else think that the woman and child in the car accident were Juliet's sister and nephew? I was convinced this was true! I asked this yesterday, sorry if I am repeating myself. I know some of you are fussy!

Shari~ I think I am the one who brought up your WTF moment. Ben using the word ALIVE or LIVING when refering to everyone on the island dying was very odd to me as well. It really stuck out to me.

Leelee~ Jack called Penny? I totally missed this one!

Nicole~ Thanks for making me laugh today!

I love all of the comments, even the "tools" and a-holes. The witty remarks following them are great.

I think there was a discussion somewhere about the woman and child being Juliet's sister. I think the biggest question was about the boy's age. To my recollection he was 3 when Juliet is shown footage of him playing and the footage is current, so it is tough to reconcile how the boy could be eight.

I saw the "Jack calling Penny" thing too, but the person who posted that never explained why they said. I feel certain that it was Kate he kept calling.

Thanks Nicole. I can't find the discussion!

I was not convinced about the Jack calling Penny thing, it was odd to me.

The age of the kid bothers me too. I'm not sure it works. A friend swears it is her. It seems to make sense, everyone always has someone else connected to the island in the flash backs/forwards.

Kudos to LostLilOne!!!!!

WOW!!! I have been reading Daniel's interpretations on the show since he basically started his blog on TMZ. I have been a fan of Lost since the first episode. All of these rude/mean/insensitive comments about what other people think or say are uncalled for. We should be cordial to everyone. Regardless of how off the wall or silly it may sound. If the mean BS persists, i will just read Daniel's take on the show and not read the posts any more. PLAY NICE!! Yeesh! (Ummm...why do i feel like Hurley right now in a land of Sawyers???LOL)

I agree with those who gave the season finale four stars! And, your diary made the season all the more enjoyable for me. Knowing how you feel about Charlie, I wonder if you've seen the interview that just posted on EW's website at:
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20040051,00.html?xid=email-alert-lost-20070525-item1b

Nicole,

This is really gonna screw with you! As far as im concerned, we have witnessed two inevitable deaths. Charlie and Naomi. Now as you stated, the first instance was the lightning that was suppose to strike Claire. Had Des not intervened, the Charlie would have died here. Thus preventing what has happened.

But, that lightning was meant for Claire. In the second instance Charlie dies saving Clair again. Seems to me like they're both supposed to die.

Charlie dies in the first instance. Therefore, there is no one to save Claire from drowing the second time around. With both out of the picture, Des would not have had the vision of Naomi, she would of died at the hands of Mikhail. And the motivation for a suicide mission such as
Charlie's for Claire would be non existant.

As it would seem, the most pertinent question now is; When is Claire gonna die. If I am correct, her death has been delayed as well. And the fact that she is still alive will definetely have significance in the future! Hence the producers statement about dwelling deeper in to her and Aaron.

I love this blog and I love the people that take time out of their busy days to contribute to it, regardless of what they contribute. It is a great place to meet and bounce ideas around. I agree with the previous posters, we should all just try to get along (doesn't that sound hokey!?!). We came here because we love the show and love Daniels writing style, so leave the negativity out of the posts!
Love to all the oldies and the newbies!

Presumably though Charlie had a specific, greater purpose. The other times would have simply been saving Claire, while his entering the code into to disable the jammer not only achieves his purpose of "saving Claire" but affects a greater number of people. Charlie also possessed a unique skill of being able to convert the notes of the songs to the keypad. A musician programmed it and a musician disabled it. So maybe the universe was not course correcting at all by killing Charlie in this manner, this is the intended course for the outside world to be able to pierce this biosphere of the island. So, in that sense the events leading up to this event are preparatory which, to me, would not imply that Claire's death was inevitable (other than the fact that every human's death is inevitable).

Just remembered one other thing I was going to note after watching a second time. Someone earlier posted that they thought Jack said "Yemin" or something like that when he was standing over the casket. What I think he actually said was "Damn it", when he went to throw back more Oxycontin and there was only one pill left in the bottle. Backed it up and watched it a few times and it makes sense.

Gotta go pack now for my trip "Up North" for the holiday weekend. I wish I had a laptop so I could take this discussion along with me!!! Can't wait to read more of your theories when I return :)

Jim,
thought you were pretty funny up until the illiterate crack.
now i just wish you would dye.
blue would be nice.

Long Time Reader - First Time Commenter

How about this to mess with everyone?

Remember how Desmond was sent back to the "real world" in a different time in his past after the explosion of the Hatch on the Island? Remember how he knew about the Island and he could choose what events took place and eventually he woke up naked, back on the island, almost in essence "reborn" with the knowledge of both pasts - the "real world" he visited again as well as what had actually happened on the island.

This got me to thinking that the secret behind the island might have something to do with Time. Several clues here:

1 - The Desmond event mentioned above

2 - The original "hostiles" don't seem to age - or die. I have no clue of who all is part of the original gang - but if Richard WASN'T a bad makeup job - then he isn't aging. If Mikail was an original "hostile" on the island - he ain't dying. Not sure about Ethan - was he brought on board later? We know they recruited people from the regular world to join them (that's how they got Juliet, remember?) So perhaps those brought to the island by the group can still die or age.

3 - If it's time / longevity that's the issue - could be the reasoning’s behind the pregnancy deaths.

Now assuming it's time related let’s look at what happened in the "flash forward" - if we take everything literally - Jacks Dad is still alive / Jack & Kate are lying to everyone about something / Kate's not a fugitive & presumably is in a serious relationship that made her financially secure / Oceanic Air is apparently "back in business".

What if the island gave some of the Losties the opportunity to go back in their lives and relive them (as Desmond could have) and they CHOSE to not make the same mistakes / events happen again. This means maybe Kate goes back and DOESN"T kill her stepfather & ends up marrying her high school boyfriend who becomes a doctor. Jack decides to NOT turn his dad in for being an alcoholic and his father never goes to Australia - see where I'm leading? Maybe somehow, the crash never even takes place, all it would take would be Desmond getting those numbers entered in time .....

Here's a few events I could see the characters changing:

James/Sawyer - does he go chasing the false lead of Sawyer to Australia & accidentally shoot the wrong guy? (Interesting that if he remembers the island as Desmond did, he would KNOW who the real Sawyer was if he went back to the "real world / different time").

Claire - does she have the accident that ends up virtually Killing her mother? If not, does she ever meet Dr. Shepherd her father - esp. if he doesn’t' go to Australia in the first place? Does she not get pregnant?

Sun - Does she not have the affair - does she tell Jin he's the reason they can't have a baby? Does she not marry Jin? Does she tell Jin his mom was a prostitute and not need the money (which caused Jin to change how he worked for her father) to pay off the hooker mama?

There's so many choices on what to change / what not to change that each of the characters to go through? What would YOU do if you could go back & change things - and would you? Look what happened to Jack, if this theory is correct, is that the result of him not doing what he was supposed to do, or vice versa?

And what about certain Losties that might opt to NOT go back - changes or not. John Locke (if he prefers where he is now to making the choice to not give his kidney to his dad), Rose / Bernard - she didn't cause her cancer, right? Why would she go back?

And Hurley - Hurley could choose to NOT win the lottery .... with that being the numbers, would his choice be the most critical?

What do you guys think, am I just nuts?

Just a thought ...

Oh it happened! This site turned in to TMZ all over again, everyone bashing each other, over stupid stuff...too bad, I really learned a lot from the "legit" posters, I will miss you guys! Thanks Daniel, for a great attempt at entertainment, I will not be back!

maestro-d~

I am about to dye with laughter. Blue is a nice choice!

Have a great weekend! Need to get off this board and get something done today.

So many questions, so little time...

I haven't had time to catch up with all of the recent posts, but Taylor's comment jumped out at me: "I am currently in the middle of an argument with a coworker concerning the space-time continuum."

How cool is this? How many shows stimulate THAT kind of discussion? And I'm so glad we have Daniel's blog to hash these things out in a supportive environment. I found myself going over possible casket occupants while I was taking a shower last night, and having another A-HA moment--prompted by comments I'd read on the blog.

So glad I've found you guys. I'm a little isolated living here on my island, and it's fun putting heads together with fellow Lost fans to try and figure some of this stuff out. I bet Cuse and Lindelof are secretly checking in to see how we're doing!

Im looking at the greater scope of it all. Seeing that beacuse the jamming stoped. Now the freighter has a fix on their position. And as we all know, this is not going to be good for the losties.

Which is why im saying, Charlie should have died by the lightning strike. All of this would have been prevented. And they would be relying on other means to get off.

I now believe that the fact that a musician programmed the code, only proves my theory. Its like the universe saying to Desmond "because you intervened again, the consequences will be greater, and now the code will be easily figured out because you're here helping again"

I have a friend who insists the "Charlie, No Matter what I Do, You are gonna die." episode had Desmond Flashing Forward, not Psychically, I mean in the Ussual flash back formula of the show, When he was back in the world. I've disagreed with my friend on it repeatedly, but, Now that Jack Flashed Forward I wonder if my friend is on to something?

Sure he ran in Charlie, Who should be deceased in the future, but, Jack was talkin about his father as if he was alive in the flash forward too. And in the "answers" episode, the only thing the producers said that sounded like an answer was ( paraphrasing) " they are not dead. they are somewhere in the space time continuum".

More and more, I think Time has something to do with what's going on on the island. Like an attempt to control it, and change events.And a counter attempt to stop them from doing so.

And to go a step further, The same friend, who's visited sites like these, I'm new here, said he read where the flip side of Walt's comic book page with the Polar bear picture, just before Walt saw a polar bear, was an Island in a "snow Globe" on top of a Volcano, glowing. I don't know how much this has been discussed, but, maybe the Dharma project with the best of intentions were trying to protect the world from the devestation of the mutha of all Volcanos, from the future, and the results were less than desirable in that future, just like rescue proved to be for Jack in his flash forward. And the others are trying to restore the natural order despite it's consequences, becuase the best of intentions led straight to hell.

This scenario also makes it difficult for the Others to justify themselves and explain why they do what they do. Because if Ben is telling the truth about anything a little more explanation would go a LONG way. Why doesn't he simply provide an explanation? Because it is a nasty 'ends justifies the means' scenario, that is unpalatable to anyone of the generation that has to weather the global disaster, and mostly die. But screwing with the time space continuum has only made matters worse for the survivors in the future. This could also explain their Fertility fixation -repopulating the world. I know Ben is of this generation, but, he's thrown his lot in with the "12 Monkey" rebels for whatever reason.

Just a crazy thought, even if I'm right, it is probably only partially. I don't know how much it has been discussed but, I definitely believe that "Time Space continuum" remark, has something to do with it.

I don't have a clue how to explain Jacob's Ghost or the smog Monster though...

Lisa: total genius. I really agree with your hypothesis. Further to your #2 and Henry's "alive" comment, perhaps Others and Losties who are killed (John Locke now being one) can somehow be resurrected (by Jacob/the Island) and given a kind of immortality, which would explain Mikhail's invincibility and Richard's eternal good looks.

With your read, in the FF Jack's dad could be alive, and yes, Kate is with her old flame and not on the lamb since she chose to not commit the crime. Jack's ex-wife is still an ex because the change he made in his past (to not report his father's alcoholism) didn't affect the status of his marriage. Their "lying" is not telling anyone in their lives about the Island/their alternate life paths. That the chief of surgery was a physical therapist before (that guy who treated Locke --mentioned in someone's earlier post) indicates there are two unrelated time lines going on here. Some fateful decisions lie in between...

My guess is it's Locke in the casket since Kate and Jack both have conflicted feelings about him, and he was the one who gained the most on the island--his suicide would be the most dispiriting to Jack since it would underline the bad choice they made by leaving the Island/changing their past decisions.

I like the FF move by the writers since it takes the thrust of the show away from "rescue" -- this one moment we are all waiting for which, precisely because we're all waiting for it, is bound to be a disappointment -- and makes the Island and its mysteries/potential the main focus of the show.

Other random thoughts: I think somehow the continuum idea will make it so "the musician" who programmed the Looking Glass code was Charlie. Don't ask me how.

And, am I the only one who thinks Sayid is the the absolute best thing going?

I doubt that Benry is in the casket...everyone expects that...so it can't be him guys...i think it's Locke.
And who was in the car crash? possibly claire huh? since he wanted to take care of it so badly, and there was a little boy! aaron!

Hey,
I don't think anyone has commented on this yet, but I didn't read all of the posts (dodging mud) carefully. Here's my question:

Did you notice the pix on Henry's writing table at the beginning of the show? Any idea if that is an adult Annie? His mother (who I heard on an interview with him was his real life wife -- how creepy is that).

wondering if the pix made it to any site?

Carla

What, it can't be Claire in that car crash. They showed the womans face in the hospital bed and it wasn't her, was it? Wouldn't Jack have told Kate?... Wouldn't that have been brought up? Although that's an interesting point about the little boy being Aaron, but he looked like he was at least 5 years old, could it have been that long since the so-called rescue?

Also, I listened carefully to the voice on the voicemail that Jack called, and it was one of those automatic fake voices with a female sound, and they gave a 310 area code. I really have no idea who he called, possibly Kate since he called and saw her later, but regardless it was a California number. I'm also torn between it being Henry Gale or Locke in the casket. Of course though maybe it's neither of them.

I can't imagine Henry Gale ever leaving the island really.

Also, wasn't the picture on his writing table of a young Alex? That's what I thought at least.

Els - "That the chief of surgery was a physical therapist before (that guy who treated Locke --mentioned in someone's earlier post)" - I checked IMDB, and they were played by two different actors. I think Kate assumed someone else's identity. However, whoever is powerful enough to be behind the rescue is certainly able to change a few law enforcement databases, so that might not have been necessary. Her mom has probably died by now, and Edward Mars (the DOJ guy) died early on in the show, so the only ones still around to recognize her and expose her are her ex-fiancee, Sawyer's ex and the Australian farmer. Again, I think that the rescuers would probably be able to take care of them, if they ever became a threat.

Hello all,
Did anyone notice was that the same stewardess that served Jack on the original flight? And was that Sun and Jin behind Jack in the airplane? Could this all be some type of freaky dream? ( I hope?)

Sorry Daniel but I don't think Charlie is dead. I think Desmond is going to let his Hero complex get to him. Next season I think we will see Desmond getting that scuba equipment he was fiddling with before Charlies saw Penny and swim around to the porthole to save him so he can find out what Penny said and to warn the rest of the losties about Naomi etc.

First let me apologize for any ramblings, but there were a lot of things already mentioned.

1) That casket was way too small to hold most of the characters we know except for any of the children, or perhaps Hanry (& that's a stretch)
2) If you look at the paper that Jack is holding, you can see that a "man" died, his first name beginning with "J" & last name ending with "ntham"...So It's not: James 'Sawyer' Ford, Jin Kwon, John Locke, Jack Shephard, or any other name we've heard yet ...I'm voting for Jacob XXXntham
3) Kate could easily be with Sawyer. We've heard Jack tell her he loves her in the same conversation that he said Sawyer didn't want to go to the beach with Kate because he cared for her. You know that Sawyer would A) probably not want her out late at night & B) probably not want to know that she was out with him.
4) Agree on the mentions of Christian as the ramblings of a drunk/drug addict. Easily enough to become a sarcastic wise-ass in that state.
5) I think the flash-forwards are totally a "what if" the same way that Desmond can "change" the outcome of t his visions
6) Dude...biggest thing for me from the last episode...what are they "Lying" about?

Freddieaz - I also maintain that Jacks father is not dead. I'm with you on that one.

els - Sayid rocks my world.

I predict either someone we don't know yet (future episode) or Sawyer was in the casket because:

Sawyer has no family.

Kate won't have anymore to do with him, since (in so many words) he told her he didn't want her to have his baby, and she took it as a tell (that he wouldn't be there for her.)

He took on a new alias of John Latham, since he didn't have to use the name Sawyer anymore to find the person he wanted to kill. He seems like he hates himelf ever since he killed the real aka Sawyer. Hates himself so much he won't even use his real name.

Now that he alienated Kate, he doesn't really have anybody who cares about him except Jack and maybe Hurley. But who knows if Hurley is still alive by then?

I predict either someone we don't know yet (future episode) or Sawyer was in the casket because:

Sawyer has no family.

Kate won't have anymore to do with him, since (in so many words) he told her he didn't want her to have his baby, and she took it as a tell (that he wouldn't be there for her.)

He took on a new alias of John Latham, since he didn't have to use the name Sawyer anymore to find the person he wanted to kill. He seems like he hates himelf ever since he killed the real aka Sawyer. Hates himself so much he won't even use his real name.

Now that he alienated Kate, he doesn't really have anybody who cares about him except Jack and maybe Hurley. But who knows if Hurley is still alive by then?

I predict either someone we don't know yet (future episode) or Sawyer was in the casket because:

Sawyer has no family.

Kate won't have anymore to do with him, since (in so many words) he told her he didn't want her to have his baby, and she took it as a tell (that he wouldn't be there for her.)

He took on a new alias of John Latham, since he didn't have to use the name Sawyer anymore to find the person he wanted to kill. He seems like he hates himelf ever since he killed the real aka Sawyer. Hates himself so much he won't even use his real name.

Now that he alienated Kate, he doesn't really have anybody who cares about him except Jack and maybe Hurley. But who knows if Hurley is still alive by then?

maybe the person that killed themselves was Kate's mom? Not sure where she lived, but it would explain why should would refuse to go, and why Jack would have no relation too her. Plus, they were poor (she was a diner waitress). who knows... and i definitely agree that that particular future is not guaranteed (at last, i hope not).

PS - the phone was a dead giveaway that it was a flashforward too, i agree with whoever posted that.

Gosh, I just waited to post my two cents b/c things seemed so crazy here. Who are all these people?
I decided I don't even want to speculate. Besides, it's only really fun when done during the regualr season. I will patiently wait until February. All I know is that for now, Sayid is still alive, and that alone is enough to carry me through winter.

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