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Don't forget, baby Aaron is Jack's nephew.. maybe in the future he knows that and is bitter...

I think she's saying Aaron is hers. Why else wouldn't she let her mom see him to get her to stop testifying? And she kept saying 'my son' and Aaron called her 'Mommy'!

Even though it wasn't the best of all the episodes, it definitely blew my mind almost more than all the others! Miles asking Locke for $3.2 million, Kate has Aaron (i had no idea that was going to happen until my boyfriend said one minute before - omg, what if it's Aaron) so I was really blown away with that (and just by the overall creepiness of Kate having Aaron) and then with the whole lie that Jack told.

Ah, I think I'm rambling, but that episode had this sort of sad, foreboding quality to it.

For someone who is so careful not to watch any commercials or previews of upcoming shows, I'm shocked that you would read fan e-mails or posted comments during the show. Don't read them!

I agree the episode fell short! The only good part, was the way Ben "plays" Locke, and in that last scene, the way Ben just twitches up his eyes-creepy!!!! I don't know how Kate could tell everyone Aaron is her baby, did you see how big he was..@ least a 2-3 year old toddler. Did anyone else think that Aaron "looked" a little funny?

Totally agree with you on the lameness of most of this episode. I love Lost because I love episodes where I am totally thrown by the ending. Aaron being presented as Kate's son in the "real world" - umm... yeah... saw that 5 min in.

I'm afraid that I'm gonna have to give the ff a D. The actual island storyline, I'll give a B. Sawyer in boxers an A+ (you with me Lauren?) LOL!

I kinda hated that I figured out Aaron was gonna be Kate's son which now gives us 100 more questions to add to that ever growing list.

I hope next week is a little better.

I think she is passing him off as her own but maybe not - I would just think someone would come out of the woodwork to claim him otherwise - distant relative or something.

I agree, the whole episode pretty much stank - why did she care so much about whether Miles knew who she was and what she had done - I thought everyone pretty much knew that - am I missing something?

Hurley's Scooby Doo line and Miles "technically it's extortion" - best lines of the night...

Our satellite/DVR went out about 5 minutes before the show was over but I had figured out that Aaron was the son by then anyway - not exactly a shocker.

The whole flashforward was drawn out and boring, as well as being unrealistic. Not like cool Lost/island unrealistic but just real world, that wouldn't happen, unrealistic...

You asked "How did eight survivors become the Oceanic 6?" - When Jack was on the stand he said that Kate worked to save all 8 people that survived the initial crash and that she was able to save 6 and she really tried to save the other 2 but wasn't successful -- presumably part of their lie is that 2 died from their wounds.

Kelly that makes absolutely no sense. Aaron isn't hers, everyone knows that. She didn't want her mom to see the baby because, if you watched the first season, her mom turned her in. Aaron called her mommy because he's what, one year old, he doesn't know what's up.

It was a good episode but what's up with kate's forehead and eye? Bugged me the whole episode.

when jack said on the stand that the plane crashed on the island, does that mean everyone now knows the plane found at the bottom of the ocean was a fake? how can anyone explain that? and how can the O6 explain how they got rescued, without anyone knowing where the island is that they were rescued from? you'd think everyone would be searching for the real wreckage to find the rest of the bodies, unless another fake plane was set up?

I'll only say this -- the ending was so blatently shouting "Hey, look, Claire's going to die at some point!" that maybe, just maybe, she isn't. That's one thing I have grown fond of on LOST - knowing that most of the "softball" foreshadowing really isn't at all. I hope we get an outcome that's much different than what most are expecting with this.

I rate the episode a 6 out of 10 as a whole. I totally agree that Kate acting like a moron brought the ep down a couple points. Four of the ep's points go strictly to Locke - this character might be one of the best that TV has ever seen (I mean, the grenade scene? C'mon. Absolutely awesome).

I love reading this blog but that is the extent of the "research" that I do regarding the story line - So... I was SHOCKED when Kate identified Aaron last night. I'm glad I was because otherwise this episode would have sucked for me.

So is Claire's blood on Jack's hands or does Jack now know that Aaron is really his nephew and it reminds him of another betrayal by his father?

I agree, this episode was not great, by any means. My wife, a very avid LOST fan, even before I was, fell asleep about 3/4's of the way through!

My thoughts on Kate and Aaron are that the kid's being passed off as her own child. There's no way they would award her custody, seeing how she's not family...oh and also she murdered a guy, and is also being tried for arson, bank robbery, yada, yada, etc. So, she had to have passed Aaron off as her real son, I guess. Also, if Jack finds out that Claire is his sister, wouldn't he be considered family and thereby be awarded custody...unless they're passing Aaron off as her Kate's son to make her look like a better person.

I just wonder how much time has passed, and how long they were really on the island. For Aaron to be that old (2? 3?), a lot of time has passed. I will say that Kates mother did say that the doctors had been giving her 6 months to live for four years now. That doesn't really answer the time passage question, but gives us an idea. My question is, why hasn't she died yet?

I'm going to say that Daniel has a problem with his head (obviously) and that he knows the island has mystical healing powers. So, the card test is to track his healing progress since his introduction to "the island." I guess.

The Miles/Ben exchange was pretty good, and plays into the whole Ben is an International Man of Mystery or something, but it also sets Miles up for being someone who cannot be trusted. The grenade thing in Miles mouth was stupid in my opinion.

So, we all knew that the copter wouldn't make it back to the ship in a reasonable amount of time. So, I wasn't surprised that they hadn't made it. But over a day? It'll be interesting to see next week when we find out how hard it was to fly the copter back to the ship.

I'm guessing that Kate was in Federal court? That's why it was taking place in California?

Did Kate already get her settlement from Oceanic, because that house was really nice, and she can afford a full-time Nanny. Is that Oceanic money, or money from someone else (Ben)?

I had the same thoughts about Sawyer playing backgammon, didn't think he would know how to play but he's a surprising one!

I think that Kate has lied and said that the baby is hers. I don't recall, did they ever say how long Kate was gone before she was captured? It's plausible for her to have been "pregnant" prior to her capture and then given birth on the island. Will have to wait and see on that one.

I'm also very curious about Miles and the money although it doesn't surprise me that Ben's loaded. He's running the show on the island so he'd have to have funding from somewhere. Plus we know that in the past he had left the island many times and had cash in various different currencies and passports. I bet Richard has something to do with that.

I am leaning toward the people from the freighter being Dharma looking for Ben since he killed their people. One possible clue is the cards that Daniel and Charlotte were using. They had the Dharma logo, but of course they could have been there already and not been Daniel and Charlotte's cards.

One question I have is where are the rest of the others? We haven't seen any of them this season except for Ben.

I like, TOTALLY knew that it was going to be Aaron. Is this show getting more and more predictable, or am I just that smart?

I was hoping for a slower episode this week, but man, not this slow. I loved the way Locke kept Daniel's mouth shut, classic Locke. But, was it just me or did anyone notice the picture on the wall in Aaron's room? It was to Kate's left as she was at the door, if you look you will see the 6 of spades, the same card used in the memory game on the beach. That can't be just an accident.

NEVER NEVER NEVER again will I watch Lost with someone who dose not watch all the time... too much time explaining. I give it a C-, liked the Sawyer and Hurley roommate thing going one, Olivia Newton John and boxed wine, and the gernade in the mouth was kinda neat, loved Hurley's Scooby Doo line

this episode sucked - and I'm not a Kate-hater. The whole episode felt like filler to me, especially after the 3 first episodes that rocked. The Miles-Ben meeting saved this episode from being completely wasted.

Tootsie1: I agree with you - the first seconds I thought that Kate's baby had a mental disability because of the Island.

Kate couldn't pass Aaron as hers, she would have needed to be 8-months pregnant when the plane crashed. My guess is that she adopted him because his mother "officialy" died on the Island - making Kate even more of a hero. That would explain why her lawyer wanted to bring the baby in court.

thank goodness for Sawyer in boxers... at least the hour wasn't fully wasted. LOL

Oh yeah, can Aaron be considered one of the 6 even though he was born on the island and not listed as a passanger?

First of all, my head just about exploded at the end of the show. Not that I didn't see it coming, but I think they made it too easy...Is that really the same Aaron? I think not. How does a not pregnant Kate get on a plane and then get rescued with a son? Do the math. This episode was a little limp. We still have a long way to go until they get off the island though...

My husband and I watched last weeks right before this weeks, and my husband caught that the helicopter guy (forgot his name) told Saiyd, "You bring Charlotte back safe, and I'll get you off this island." He didn't say, "I'll take you back to the ship" like Saiyd had asked. So I wonder what helicopter man's motive was?
This weeks epi definitely fell flat from last weeks, but in my opinion, there's never a bad week for Lost. Even re-runs are great because you catch new things.
Thanks Daniel for your great posts!

The whole thing with Aaron is kinda creepy. Remember in season one when Claire went to the physic and he freaked out and siad that her baby HAD to be raised by her or bad things would happen. Well it looks like that didn't happen.

Also, with the eight survivors, Jack said on the stand that two died on the island, I wonder if they recovered two bodies and had to account for them????

I don't see any legitimate way (quality writing-wise) that Aaron can be living with Kate as her son (as opposed to Kate having her own son and naming him after Claire's Aaron which is also weird). She can't possible be saying she gave birth to that child, the people off the island would have known she wasn't enormously pregnant (I'm sure the martial would be expected to say something to his co-workers when he got her in custody, they would have been expecting to know that information and would be surprised to see her with a kid and not have received any word that their fugitive was pregnant). And how on earth would anyone give custody of someone else's baby to a dangerous fugitive with such a record. If they are passing it off as Claire's son Aaron, then they (our beloved writers) are totally cheating.

Aside from that, why does Locke continue to let Ben get to him that way. That's getting stupid. But Sawyer...yummy. Thanks for that beloved writers!!

Here we go:

First, I didn't like the episode much and it had a much different flavor I thought. I read yesterday that this episode was not written by Cuse and Lindelof, but two others, one being a woman (can't remember the names, sorry). I think it shows...

That being said, here's my take:

-Kate is obviously Aaron's guardian. I think though that you haven't recalled the initial scene between Kate and her lawyer when he basically pleads with her to put 'him' on the stand to show her heroism and her amazing character... after which she says, "You are not going to put my SON on the stand"... I think that Aaron knows that Kate saved him/adopted him and that Claire is gone... why else would a lawyer want to use the boy as a character witness to explain what all she had done?

-Jack loves Kate. He lied on the stand. The only thing that has ever stood between Kate and Jack has been Sawyer. Is it possible somehow/someway that Jack doesn't know that her son is Aaron, and he thinks that her son is the result of the lovemaking between she and Sawyer that he witnessed on the tv monitor? To me, that would be the only thing keeping him away from that baby, is if he thought it was Sawyer's child.

-I find it strange that Miles says to Ben, "Do you think I don't know who you are!?" as if 3.2 million dollars is petty change for Ben. Its interesting that so much money is so readily available to Ben (who can't access it from his prison cell, but 'given til the end of the week' will be able to have it for Miles?)... lots of money, Elsa and her Economist, but who's not an economist at all (says Sayid)... an economist deals with the world's money and its bend and flux... interesting...

-Another thing, this time a question: in Desmond's flash of Claire and Aaron getting off the island... I don't remember this, but did he actually see Claire boarding the chopper, or did he just assume it was Claire because she was holding Aaron? Could it have been Kate?

-That being said, where the hell is the chopper?

-Note how the chopper took off last week carrying Sayid and Desmond and there was clear blue sky and not a ripple of waves on the sea... next week they encounter turbulence and according to the network, "Desmond has a bizarre reaction", does he age?

One more thing about Kate/Aaron: I think the reason she didn't want her mother to meet her son was not because of what happened in the past; she was desperate to have a 'get out of jail card' and she would have exchanged a meeting for freedom I think... but, her mother won't see a lick of resemblance between the boy and Kate and know that he's not hers... Kate must protect the truth at all costs, for what reason, I'd love to know!

I think Kate could easily pass Aaron off as her son, which she is. At this point, we don't knnow how much time has passed before the "6" get back to the real world, it could easily be a year or two. Not to mention Kate has been on the run for so long and she is pretty tiny- they could lie about Aaron's age by a few months making it very possible she was "pregnant" when she got on the flight. Though Claire was 8 months, they could say aaron is really 4 or 5 months old younger and that kate was only 4 or 5 months pregnant.
It does make me wonder why Jack doesn't want to see him...is it because he played a part in claire's death? Or because he has found out by now that Aaron is his nephew and he feels to much guilt because of a possible conflict that played out involving his father (who could be jacob!)...?!
I also did notice the 6 of spades in Aaron's room, and that can NOT be a coincidence...same card Daniel and Charlotte were looking at on the beach...

trying to figure out why kate's lawyer requested her child to be a character reference at the beginning of the show. isn't he too young to be put on stand?

or did i miss something?

One more thing regarding my arguement for Jack possibly thinking Aaron is Sawyer's child and not Aaron... Kate's mother mentions that she's dodged death now for 4 years, so could it be possible that Jack thinks in that time that Kate gave birth to this child (the age would be about right) and left the island pregnant?

If that were so, Kate and Jack leave the island separately...

apologies, my typing got flawed... if Kate's Mom says 4 years have passed since the plane crashed, that coincides with the apparent age of Aaron (as seen in the flashforward)... so maybe Kate is passing off Aaron as being her own son to even Jack; but that would mean that Kate and Jack left the island at separate times... did I explain that better that time? Hope so

Did Kate not want her mom to see Aaron b/c her mom could tell that she looked nothing like Kate and could not be hers?

don - i saw the picture too. but if you look on the bookshelf, and everyone thinks im crazy because they havent seen it. But if you go through the scene in slo-mo i swear i see the dolls that annie gave ben on the top shelf as kate is walking into the room.

i think it seems weird that kate won't see jack unless he goes first to see aaron. if there's a legitimate reason for jack to be upset about aaron (sawyer's kid, claire's disturbing death, etc.), why wouldn't kate understand better? she seemed so eager for him to visit aaron, yet she won't meet jack for coffee?

When they finally showed Aaron at the end, he was obviously a toddler--maybe 2-3 years old. Yet, this trial seemingly took place not long after they were "rescued" and before Jack's breakdown. Another another clue that time passes at a different rate off the island v. on the island?

do you think that the "RG" on the bracelet stands for Republican Guard? Sayid may have been romantically linked to Naomi when they sent her to the island. Thats why he was so concerned for her dead body when I'm sure hes seen many others before... He probably took the bracelet back before giving it to Elsa. The original "N" may have been someone else to begin with though. Maybe Nadia?

OK, I have read this website for a very long time and never made a comment. You all may crucify me for saying this, but I did not think this episode was as bad as you think. I personally found the story that Jack told about the survivors was very interesting. I believe that Aaron is one of the six. My theory is that the last one is Sun and the 2 people who did not live after the crash were Claire and Jin. They had to survive to explain Sun getting pregnant on the island and Aaron being born. Which brings me to another theory, I think Kate adopted Aaron and is not lying about her being the biological mother. Also, I don't think Claire is dead, but for some reason she was left on the island. Oh yeah, and I think that these flash forwards are not necessarily the end of the story for the Oceanic 6... I actually believe that these flash forwards take place in the next couple of seasons and the final season may involve returning to the Island. All of these are just my personal opinion. I will say that any scene with Sawyer's puppy dog eyes is my favorite!! Anyone agree or disagree with me?

JMR: Kate's Mom says that she's dodged death for 4 years since the plane crashed. Furthermore, court cases take forever. Time has passed... also, her lawyer said she had been released on her own recognizance up til the hearing to set bail... she has a huge house, a nanny, life, etc... makes the comment to Jack that "she's heard him tell that same story to so many people, so many times that he sounds like he believes it now" as if to say they've been keeping up the lie for a long time now...

ps i love the line when Locke brought ben a book who said he already read it and in response locke says read it again, you might find something you missed before.

a writers tribute to the fans who watch over and over again? or mayhaps a clue to watch last nights episode again for any hints?

Slam,
I made that RG connection last week too, but according to the writers, 'sometimes a bracelet is just a bracelet'... (which I don't know if I believe or not)... my other thought was that the bracelet belonged somehow to Ruth (the jilted bride of Desmond)... only because Ruth tells Naomi (in the Bible) the same message that was on the bracelet...

LiT - I don't think Kate's mom said it has been 4 years since the crash. I think she said for the last 4 years the doctors have told her she only has 6 months to live. Remember Kate's mom was very sick in one of Kate's flashbacks before the crash - Kate visited her in the hospital - so I don't really think her saying 4 years gives any clue to timeline events were taking place in last night's episode. We don't know how much time passed between Kate's visit to the hospital and the plane crash. Her mother's doctors could have been telling her she only had 6 months to live before the plane crash even happened.

Does anyone else remember when Sun took the pregnancy test, and asked Kate if she had ever taken one, and Kate said yes?

First off, shout out to Ana (the original), Janice, Susan and the rest of us long-timers. I've been out of the loop for awhile.

I knew it was going to be Aaron as soon as Kate said she wasn't pregnant ... which was probably why she went over to Sawyer's. she got her period and knew she was OK. Which also explains the cuddling.

Which reminds me -- no way that Jin and Sun will get off the island in one piece. Jin is gonna die and not be able to raise his son (guessing son here), and there is no way he's going to go back to living in Korea with his father-in-law.

I started thinking last night about the whole Man of Science, Man of Faith. Jack is running a democracy with a strong leader ( or I could just be saying that since I love Jack, even when he is annoying).

Locke is running a theocracy but as a weak leader. His hissy fit when Ben wouldn't give him what he wanted was embarrasing. And, if he's going to throw a hissy fit, wait until you are far enough away that Ben can't hear you! Totally ruins the effect, you know?

It was a C episode -- but I give it a B for Sawyer in boxers on the bed. Kept hoping for a junk sighting .... bad girl ....

Kate can not pass Aaron off as her own child. They have only been on the island for about 90 days. So Aaron is about 3 months old and Kate would be about one to two months pregnant. By the time she had the baby back in the "real world" she would have to pass off a crawling Aaron as a newborn. I think Jack can't see Aaron because of whatever happens to Claire. We know she will get on the helicopter with Aaron, because Desmond told Charlie he foresaw it and that led Charlie to flip the switch at his own peril. So, whatever happens to Claire, happens after she gets on the helicopter. I guess Aaron is the sixth of the "oceanic 6".
I too, didn't care for the Kate "tell me what I did" storyline. A little farfetched. The only thing I can think of is that she just needed a reality check before she would decide to leave the island. Why she would think that she was no longer "wanted" in the "real world" after 3 months of being thought dead is a mystery to me. It would have made more sense if they had been on the island for years, and she wanted to see if she is still a "wanted" woman.
This brings me to another thought. Aaron looks like he is about 2 years old. That means that in the flashforward they have been off the island about two years. Some time later, Jack with his facial growth, meets Kate later and says they have to go back. So, if they go back, what things would have happened on the island in those two years? That could be very interesting.
I am loving Miles. He is so funny. Obviously, he had a definite purpose in mind when he came to the island. I wonder what he told Naomi and her boss his reasons were for coming to the island.
Ben is obviously a time traveler, and makes a lot of money by doing it. Maybe he stole the device or information for travel from this group that is trying to get him.
Why haven't we seen a flashforward of Desmond? Maybe he doesn't make it safely back to the real world, in which case, there is another person who is part of the oceanic six.

1) When Locke was cutting up the melon for Ben, did anyone else notice it had a sticker on it, like you'd see in a grocery store? Is Dharma still making food drops? It's probably not relevant in any way, but I thought it was a little bizarre that they're living on a tropical island and eating tropical fruit bought from Food Lion or somewhere. Maybe the props guy messed up on that one.

2) This has been bugging me for some time- where does their electricity come from?? I haven't seen any wind turbines or PV panels on those little houses so someone must be refueling their system some how. None of the Losties seem too curious about how that town functions (unless I missed that episode). I totally love the black smoke monster and Jacob's disappearing cabin, but the unrealistic power supply bugs me =) Go figure...

Something must happen to Claire either on the island or on the ship,if Kate is passing off Aaron as her own son. Then maybe Claire gave Aaron to Kate to save him from whatever conflict happens on the island right before the "Oceanic 6" return to civilization.

Also the card in the game that Daniel and Charlotte were playing was a 6 of clubs, the card in the picture in Aaron's room at the end was a 7 of spades.

Tracy, I didn't mean her mother said it had been four years since the crash (oops). I meant to say (and said in my above post)that she said that she had dodged death for 4 years... shortly after she became ill, Kate was found by the Marshall in Australia and extradited to the US and boarded 815....

I don't know how this all connects BUT the 6 of spades card shown on the island and the one in Aaron's room somehow relate to the fact there are 6 Oceanic surviors?

I totally agree with tootsie1 about Aaron looking funny. I thought he had down syndrome.

Why is it surprising that Sawyer can play backgammon? He chooses to read over watching tv.

Am I the only one that HATES Locke?? I think he is turning into an evil person. Who made him the ruler?

It was a 6 of clubs on the island and a 7 of spades in the picture in Aaron's room.

I was wondering if anyone thought the same thing I did initially:

when Kate asks Miles, do you know who I am and there's this long pause... did anyone think that he was going to use his voodoo magic on her?

Kate's mom (Diane Janssen) saying that she has been dodging death for four years, doesn't tell anything really about when those four years took place. She was sick well in advance of the plane crash. Her saying that could include time before and after the crash. But, I will say that maybe there's a connection with Diane staying alive and Kate's connection with the island. Why exactly hasn't she died yet? Has someone (someone that can "cure" cancer) been keeping her alive? Remember when Juliett's sister "beat" cancer?

However, it's obviously been a while since they returned from the island to the real world. How long? I'm sure we'll find out by the end of the season. My guess is they've been back between 1 and 2 years by the time this FF occurs.

Daniel, Why don't you just close out your lost diary email before Thursday, so you can't read other people's spoilers? I think the fact that you knew what was going to happen made you a little bitter and prejudice agaist the episode before it happened. Shame on those people spoiling it for you!! Honestly, I avoid absolutely everything about Lost all week except the discussions the day after, so I was enjoyably surprised at the end. I really thought that Kate was pregnant so that is the only reason why she would have agreed to leave the island. Finding out it was Aaron was a great surprise and saddened me because now I want to know what happened to Claire, about how much time has really elapsed now that Aaron is so much older,why does Jack afraid to see Aaron .... and most importantly why on earth wouldn't anyone sleep with Sawyer? Did you see how he looked in his boxers?!!! :)

Did anyone have any comments for why Miles wanted to be exactly where he was (tied up?)... I assume it was because he knew he'd get closer to Ben that way, but still an odd thing to say...

Also, Abbadon sends an archaeologist, a physicist, a pilot and a psychic... if the island has healing properties (examples Locke, Rose) wouldn't they bring a doctor to do cell research, etc?

Wondering if Daniels' card recall 'game' was an attempt to see if the island 'gives you mental power'... another experiment of his (like the payload from the week before)

I agree with Tracy. We don't know how long Kate's mom was sick before the plane crash. I am aware that court cases can take years; I have been a lawyer for almost ten years. However, in high profile criminal cases, particularly if were in Federal court, it could be pushed through surprisingly quickly--especially since Kate appeared to just want the whole thing over with and we assume she sought to avoid any delays.

jmr good point

Oh, and another comment on the time line. Kate's lawyer said she was out on bail pending the trial, then she went into custody ... It is very rare in this county that any murder trial is finished in one year, no matter what L&O says. We have no idea how long Kate was in jail. If the DA was willing to let Kate get off with time served, my guess is she was in jail for at least a year. That would make Aaron at least 18 months.

Something must happen with Jack later on that sends him off the deep end. Maybe the lying gets to him, or maybe he sees Ben or Sayid or something -- but he doesn't go off the deep end for a while.

And what was the significance of the 6 of clubs? (seen in the scene with Daniel and Charlotte also in Aaron's room in the ff)

Did anyone catch when Locke said something like "I'm supposed to watch over the island"? What do you think of that?

Guys, I TOTALLY just thought of something. What if Kate's Aaron really IS her baby, and she names her son after Claire's Aaron, who for some reeason didn't make it off the island?

I am a veteran of this blog, and I have been watching this show long enough to know that when something seems so apparent (like we all think this is Claire's son).... it usually isn't.

Also, all of this time travel talk has yet to be fully explained, and may be the reason why Richard never aged on the island, and also could be the reason that Walt wil be so much older when he eventually resurfaces on the show.

did anyone add up the numbers in the cards? Just wondering about 'the numbers'

Oh come on now all these people saying they didn't think that Sawyer wouldn't know how to play backgammon is just plain silly. The man is always walking around with a book and they obviously are not romance novels. The man was a con artist for some time and therefore has some level of smarts beyond that of normal man. Backgammon is not a difficult game and Sawyer could probably play it easily. Now Chess... that would be a game that I think would be beyond Sawyer's skill levels.

Okay, everyone keeps wondering what is the deal with Jack/Kate/Aaron.

I agree with a lot of people that he found out Claire/Aaron are family and he has to deal with Claire dying/not making it off the island.

OR

I hate to say it and yes I will cry when it happens, but Sawyer is not going to make it. How he dies I have no idea...Kate and Jack (and the rest)get off the island. Maybe Kate is able to hide out for a while with Jack...they do their thing and she gets caught? Maybe (like I said, far fetched but just maybe) Jack is Aaron's (Kate's Aaron) father and somehow him and Kate have a fall out and he didn't know she was pregnant until whenever.

Sorry, the more I try to explain it the more I think I'm living in a soap opera world, not a LOST world.

Ana, you could be on to something...

I think that the baby is being passed off as Kate's to hide the "time" properties of the island. If the outside world moves faster than Island time then Claire's baby would have to be older.

I agree at first the way the boy was moving suggested some impairment which I think they did to try to make us believe that this was Kate's kid and that something went wrong.

Was Jack wearing the same suit he had on when he went to see Hurley? What is the timeline?

This epi was not all it could have been but there were a few good Locke moments and the Scooby Dooed line was the best one of the show.

Why doesn everyone think that everyone else dies that doesn't get off of the island? Why can't the rest of the survivors just be left behind, either by their own choice, or because they're forced to?

Okay, reading more posts. Saw the card in Aaron's room actually a 7. SO, does this mean that Aaron is not one of the Oceanic 6? Is this why Kate was so adamant about not having him brought to court? Is there someone she fears will find out that instead of 6 there are actually 7? This show is driving me crazy!

Anyone notice the 4 toed robots/statues on Aaron's wall?

I agree about Sawyer. Just because the man looks like a bum, he's hardly lacking in intelligence. In fact, I thought his 'Baa' comment to Locke last night was very, very insightful to just how smart Sawyer is. He's quite intelligent I assure you!

I JUST HAD A FLASHBACK OF MY OWN!

In thinking about Sawyer being smart pulling off his cons, remember how he pulled that con on that lady's husband and she fell in love with him and had his baby... WASN'T THE BABY'S NAME CHARLOTTE?

Gotta go check on lostpedia...

His daughter is Clementine...how nice would that have been though LiT?

nope, daughter wasn't Charlotte, but Clementine... my bad.

Megan - I said that I noticed the dolls on the bookshelf, but I thought they looked like the ones Annie gave Ben.

as far as the O6 claiming that claire died in childbirth and kate cared for aaron after her death-- major problem would be explaining how they fed aaron and kept him alive. no formula, no mom to breastfeed, no way for baby to survive without one of the two.
they could still claim that claire died, they would just have to say it was, at the most, 2 days before they were rescued.

this doll thing has me going to TiVo right now... could it really be them????

A few of you mentioned that you thought Aaron looked like he had downs syndrome, which is exactly what I thought when I saw him. But then I quickly figured that maybe the little boy portraying him is just a little odd looking. We didn't see a full frontal face shot. Although, I have to admit that Aaron having perfect genes on the island, because of it's perfecting properties, and then Aaron being found to really have downs syndrome in the real world is an interesting element. Maybe this could be why Jack doesn't want to see him. Maybe Jack talked Claire into leaving the island (since we know she gets into the helicopter) and feels guilty because not only did Claire die, but Aaron has some medical issues to now deal with in the "real world". Just a thought.

Also...whose to say Kate isnt lying to Sawyer about being pregnant. She knows Locke won't let her stay and that Sawyer has nothing to go back to so he's going to stay. Maybe Kate wants to leave the island because she is pregnant and she doesn't want to die there and she doesn't want Sawyer to feel like he has to come along or she doesn't want to deal with the Sawyer/Jacke awkwardness

OK, A thought on Aaron being passed off as Kate's son. Are you all forgetting the space time continuem that we learned about last week. At the time of rescue, Aaron had probably not aged as much as he would have in real time. So, yes, I believe Kate has passed him off as hers. Lets say the got rescued after 150 days. Aaron would be less than a year old, but maybe, out in the real world they have been LOST for say, over a year, so they could say, Kate was just barely pregnant when the plane crashed. I do agree at first I thought Aaron looked funny. His head looked to big, but then he looked normal once we saw a full shot of him, so I think the camera man is just playing tricks on us.
Also, I think strong attention should be paid to the fact that Kate can't leave the state for 10 years. Which relates back to my theory last week that all of the Oceanic 6 must get on a plane together and go back to the island. You saw it here first people. Mark my words :) (I'm probably way off base)
Lastly. I'm really ticked that they are counting Aaron as one of the Oceanic 6, but it seems they must be, because I thought last week in the previews they said they would reveal another Oceanic 6 this week.

I agree with Larry, one of the early posters...I don't think there's any way Kate would be awarded custody of Aaron with all of the charges against her. She has to be passing him off as her own. And the reason I think this is possible is because of the time differential...a lot more time probably passed in the real world. I also agree with someone else who said that Kate's mom didn't necessarily say that 4 years had passed since the crash, just that she's been given six months to live for the last 4 years, so that doesn't really tell us anything about how much time has passed since the crash.

My theory on how no one thinks it's strange that Kate now has a son: Yes, she is saying it is "her" biological son. But even though our Losties have only been on the island 3 or so months, in the real world much more time has passed - even up to a couple years. So they are able to pretend that she got pregnant on the island, then had the baby there. I think the Daniel 31-minute time thing from last week was a hint about the time being different on the island than everywhere else.

Maybe Kate was lying to Sawyer about not being pregnant to see what his reaction would be. Remember, she was trying to decide whether to stay on the island and "play house" with Sawyer, or leave and possibly face her criminal charges - which is why she wanted to know what Miles knew about her and what she had done in the "real world". Sawyer was very happy to find that Kate wasn't pregnant and she seemed upset by his reaction. So maybe she really is pregnant with his child, leaves the island and returns to "home", has the baby, and names it Aaron in honor of the Aaron who died or was left behind on the island.

I just watched it 3 times when Kate walks in the room. There's definitely a pair of something on the shelf behind her on her right shoulder, but they cut away so fast its impossible to make out what they are...

The robots do not have 4 toes...
Furthermore, they are stuck on the wall as if they are Aaron's own creations. Boys 2 years old do not create robots as such... My son is 4 and draws them like that. I think that helps to establish Aaron's age...

One interesting thing no one has touched on and I noticed in reviewing this scene right now:
Kate is frightened to pick up Aaron while they hand the wash. This is typical for someone who doesn't have experience with children (I was exactly the same)... but later, the love in her eyes, the tear she sheds and the tender embrace when she picks Aaron out of the crib are sentiments that she would feel only after having given birth to her own child.

I think Aaron is her own child, not the son of Claire. Which goes back to what I said initially: Aaron is Sawyer's son (which means that Kate is lying telling Sawyer that she's not pregnant) and Sawyer is the reason that Jack won't meet the boy...

again, my head is swirling faster than I can explain myself... sorry for my above post. I was trying to say this:

Initially Kate is scared of kids and afraid to pick up Aaron. Claire tells Kate that she too, could have never expected she'd be so good at motherhood, Kate should 'try it out'...

Kate would only be a great mother if she were actually a mother... those 'maternal instincts' kick in when you produce the hormones while giving birth... those are hormones she doesn't seem to have in the early scenes...

I think the Aaron from the last scene is the son of Kate and Sawyer.

jack said that 8 people survived the crash, but we know that they are called the oceanic 6. i have to guess that maybe 2 people didn't survive the resuce, otherwise why not say that there were only 6 crash survivors. if claire got hurt during the rescue and jack couldnt save her...then he gets home and finds out he's her brother...that could cause alot of guilt.

can kate REALLY be so dense as to want to leave the island after miles tells her everything she's wanted for back home? isn't that why she wanted to talk to miles, to find out what her situation was? if so, and he tells her everything she doesn't want to hear, then why would she still want to go home? what would even be the point of asking miles if she had her mind made up to leave? especially if she could live on the island with sawyer in their cute little houses. the only reason she could still want to leave is because she's pregnant and doesn't want to die giving birth. i also got the feeling that when she told sawyer she wasn't pregnant, she only wanted to see his reaction. when he was relieved, she saw no point in telling him the truth.

I like LostinTexas' theory on the Kate's baby scenario...makes sense... but here's something I don't understand. Why is Kate insistant that Jack see Aaron? If I was involved in a love triangle, and had one of the guys baby, I would totally understand why the other guy didn't want to hang out with him. She won't even have coffee with Jack until he can come see Aaron?? Makes no sense.

What if the baby is not Clair's Aaron. What if Kate was pregnant with Sawyers baby and Clair and Aaron died before Kate left the Island and Kate named her baby in honor of Clair's Aaron. As we all know, things are not always as simple as they first appear.

Why, oh why would Miles travel back in time to the Island to try to get 3.2 Million dollars from Ben??? If the freighter/Dharma people have access to a time machine they could get all them money they wanted any time they wanted it. Makes no sense to me. Maybe Miles and Ben were talking in some kind of code in front of Kate and only the 3.2 means something to the two of them.

The best parts of this episode was Sawyer in his boxers and Lock's bad-ass confrontation with Miles and calmly sticking a granade in his mouth and pulling the pin. Other than that, just another string of unanswered questions to add to the already overly long list.

BUT, why did she need to ask Miles if he knew who she was? Kate spent all that time with Frank and Daniel too. I don't blame her for not asking Daniel anything, but Frank had the manifest memorized! If anyone knew about her, it should be him. Plus, she had spent time with Miles too, and barely said anything to him. Why all of a sudden is Kate demanding answers from him?

Okay, the time travel thing, I don't think anyone is jumping back and forth through years and what not. The only difference is the 31 minutes. The aging/not aging thing (like Richard) just depends on how long they spend on the island/"real world"

ok.. I think times passes differently outside the island like maybe every month on the island is a year off the island, which would explain Kate's mom saying the dr gave her 6 months 4 years ago (around the time the plane crashed?), also would explain Aaron being 3 or 4 years old, maybe. Maybe this would explain the helicopter not making it to the boat yet, its still on the way and it may take a few days?
About AAron looking like something was wrong with him, I saw that too, but then at a different angle he looked completly normal, I think that was a trick from the writers just to get speculation flying.

I also think that everyone else except the Oceanic 6 are still on the island because the flashforward that showed Syiad with Ben and Ben fixing his gun shotwound and Ben saying something like you want to protect your friends or something to that effect, I believe someone, maybe who ever is on the boat let the 6 go for some reason maybe to get money or some other crazy reason but kept the others on the island as sort of colleradal. And maybe either Kate smuggled Aaron out on Claires request or asked the bad guys if she could take him because he was a baby. So in turn she would have to say he was hers to save Claire, but I don't know how to explain why he's calling her Mommy.
Maybe they all had to promise to say that everyone else died or they would kill them.
Would this explain why the flashfoward many episodes ago where Jack is contacting Kate and Hurley telling them they need to go back -to rescue the others?

Just a thought.

Just my two cents - I just had a thought... What if time on the island isn't just altered but it STANDS STILL?? Now, I might be completely off base here and/or this may have already been discussed elsewhere, but wouldn't that explain the fact that women aren't able to have a viable pregnancy? Also, it would explain why Rose wouldn't die of cancer. Not because the island 'cures' it but because it just doesn't grow.

Has somebody said this already? If Jack and Claire share a father and that father is Jacob (or seems to be), is it possible that Aaron has some sort of mystical powers passed to him through the island?

They make such a big deal about pregnant women and child birth, is it possible also that there is something strange and special about any baby born on-island.

Maybe the reason Kate didn’t want her mom to see Aaron was that there something supernatural about him.

I agree with anonymous..why was Kate so desperate to speak with Miles? Maybe because he was the only one of the "rescuers" available for her to talk to without going back to the beach. I too thought maybe Kate was lying...but she could have been just mad at Sawyer for being such a moron. And ohhhh he did look good in those boxers...I can't breathe.

Ok, if this is Claire's Aaron, I just don't buy that they are counting him as one of the Oceanic 6. I know the previews for last night's episode said another will be revealed, but I think they were talking about Kate. I know we already knew she made it off the island, but this is the first ff of her since we have learned there is an "Oceanic 6". Either way, I kinda felt cheated, I kept waiting for someone from the island to walk into the courtroom (other than Jack).

LiT - I also think this is Kate's son. Maybe something bad did happen to Claire and Aaron and Kate named her son Aaron in honor of Claire's Aaron. I think it's just a way of confusing us also. I mean that seems to be what everyone is talking about. By naming the child Aaron we totally buy the fact that it's Claire's son and therefore must be the next member of the Oceanic 6. But, I think there is more to the story.

Ok maybe the frieghter people aren't the ones who will get them off the island. Maybe Walt and Micheal find help and that's how they get off. Maybe then something happens to Micheal and Walt and since the real rescuers already knew about them, they couldn't lie about their deaths like they did they other. That would make the 8, the 6 then Micheal and Walt. Does that make sense? I'm probably just pulling at straws, but you never know with Lost.
Also I read a few people say that Aaron is one of the 6, but I really don't think he is. If that really is Claire's Aaron, because he was born on the island after the crash and was not technichally a passenger with a ticket, he could not be one of the 6.

Sorry I didn't read over that, I see I had a few spelling error.

I just went back and noticed that the Volvo was in the driveway and as Kate was going up the stairs there is a huge portrait of a person (Kate?) standing in a beach looking out into the sunset. Am I seeing things? Can someone verify?

I also think there is something wrong with Aaron, there is no CLEAR shot of his face, but it does look like there is something wrong.

I'm voting on Aaron being Sawyers. Just a hunch.

MELODY: I liked your theory on the Oceanic 6 being on the plane together in order to get back to the island. Its good! The DA was hell bent on making sure she does leave California. Is she with Dharma?

I meant..."she does NOT leave California".

I just wanted to say that I love reading this site. This is the highlight to my Friday! Daniel's blow by blow and everyone's comments make me go back and watch the episode again. Thanks everyone!

I thought the DA looked very familiar too, but maybe it was just from another TV show because she isn't credited for any other episode.

Hey DANIEL!

How about some screencaps of Sawyer!!??

Is there something wrong with me? I actually liked this episode, granted I just watched it this morning and could still be half asleep, but was it THAT bad?

I have to go with the Jack is Aaron's uncle and it's part of his father thing. Or that Jack slept with Claire in the end and Aaron reminds him of screwing his sister. No?

Grenade in the mouth. AMAZING. I love Locke and think everyone should happily call them their Dictator.

The smoke was obviously created mechanically or with a projector... and Ben would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids.

LIT and sarah:

I totally agree with Aaron being Kate's biological child. It has to be Sawyer's baby. Kate knew she had to leave the island to have him...she just wanted Sawyer to want the baby also and jump to leave the island for the 3 of them. It would just be to easy for Kate to be raising Claire's son. LOST is never simple or easy...they never take a straightforward path to something like this! There is way too much to find out yet before the show ends.

Lost in Texas, I just had to comment on your "maternal instincts only kick in when a woman gives birth" nonsense. What about women who adopt? They may have never given birth --do they not have the "mothering instinct??"

I'm just sayin'...

Brad: LOL!! That was very funny!

Did anyone catch the name of the book that Lock put on Ben's breakfast tray? I forgot to tape the episode.....dang!!!

I thought the DA looked very familiar too, but maybe it was just from another TV show because she isn't credited for any other episode.

Posted by: sarah badara | February 22, 2008 09:51 AM

I also thought she looked familiar and then I realized I remembered her from 'Crossing Jordan' where she also played a lawyer type. She wasn't a major character... she dated Garrett for awhile and became pregnant by another man. Could that be where you remember her from?

I think my last post didn't 'post'. Did anyone think that when Kate asked Miles if he knew her that he was going to pull out his psychic abilities?

Seemed odd to ask Miles of all people, after all, Kate had been with Frank and Dan also. Why ask Miles? Might mean nothing, but for a minute I thought he was going to pull out the voodoo-

I never watched Crossing Jordan, but I feel like the DA is one of those actresses you see in a bunch of TV dramas and stuff like that. I'm not going to over anaylze her character. Just look at her as the DA (and maybe yes like someone mentioned...hooked into Dharma (or something like that) who wants to keep Kate around.

Nice post as usual!
Whyyy does everyone think Sawyer is the hottie? Jack is rockin and deserves someone much better than Kate. I hate when nice-guys finish last. And from Jack's first flash forward, it's only going to get worse for him.

I'm contradicting some of my past posts, but why can't Aaron be one of the Oceanic 6? I mean, at first I felt like the O6 had to be only passengers, which would exclude Aaron, but the O6 can just as well apply to ANYONE who was rescued, and had a tie in with the plane crash, which includes Aaron. Especially if Kate is passing Aaron off as her own son. I think the O6 includes Kate, Aaron, Jack, Sayid, Hurley, and Sun. But, part of me doesn't think it's Sun because Jack starts to feel really guilty, and leaving a pregnant woman behind would definitely cause guilt.

The guy in the casket is not part of the O6, in my opnion, because that person would have been famous, and had a lot of people at the funeral. We'll see next week who the next O6 is I guess. But, I figure the next episode to focus on Desmond, Sayid and the Freighter. We may learn more about Frank as well, and why he didn't fly flight 815.

JoePa:
I knew someone was going to give me flack for that comment... I cringed while writing it but didn't get back to explain myself.

I wasn't saying that parents of adopted children don't love their children just as much as anyone else, but I was trying to say that in the case of Kate Austen, she obviously doesn't have much experience with children and doesn't seem at all interested in obtaining any... she doesn't have that 'motherly instinct' that I see in someone like, Sun, for example... so, to see Kate really rise to the occasion and be such so tender with her beloved Aaron, I saw a distinct difference in her that I could only explain by her having born her own child...

On a personal note, I was exactly this way. I did not want kids, wouldn't babysit, pick up other people's kids, had no interest in them... then I had my own and realized I was born to be a mother, it was 'the missing piece', I just didn't know it. Kate reminded me of me, which made it dawn on me that Aaron is really her son.

Sorry if I offended anyone, I certainly didn't mean to!

Larry,

I read ahead that Sun and Jin ARE part of the 6, but who knows. \
Also, FYI, the episode after next week's is centered around Sun and Jin and apparently the most shocking episode of the season.

Going back to my last post, I feel like Sun is also part of the O6 because it feels like her dad may be a part of the Freighties. He certainly wouldn't let her be left behind, but he would have every reason to not let Jin leave though.

Isn't it a little strange how strongly Kate felt about going to see Miles? When Kate went into the shed to see him, the first thing she said was "do you know who I am...do you know what I did?" The wording is very peculiar.Maybe Kate is Annie and she wants to find out if Miles knows it.And "do you know what I did"...not do you know the things I've done.What if she's wondering if Miles knows she was a part of the Dharma 'cleansing.'This may be far fetched, but wanted to throw it out there.

LiT, where did you read that about Sun and Jin?

kfree...i like her being worried that they will find out she might be annie.

like i have been saying since i started posting (last Friday haha), i really dont beleive that ANYTHING is too far fetched...thats what LOST is about!

LiT: Dammit - I have been avoiding that information since it was announced there was an "Oceanic 6". If you are going to post Spoilers please announce that. Example - SPOILER - then skip several spaces so those of us that don't want to know can avoid reading your post!

If you guys google spoilers anonymous it takes you to a website that has some interesting spoilers. That's usually where I go to get a sneak peak and they are usually right.

or here is the link

http://www.tvsquad.com/category/spoilers-anonymous/

I believe that daniels card game was foreshadowing for a mental disorder he has. Perhaps they are fully aware of the healing powers of the island, or the writers just wanted us to be aware of some more of the newcomers flaws..

Yesterday I was looking for information on why Eggtown was named Eggtown (before the epi aired) and I was on the network site. I followed some link of the epi name and got to a pdf file that was a synopsis of each and every show on the network for the next few months... There was just a one or two sentence summary for next week's and the week after... next week's said that the chopped doesn't reach the freighter and that Desmond has a bizarre symptom of the turbulence that the chopper encounters... the next one said is called Ji Yeon...

I just checked, its on Lostpedia too-

Its in 3 epis though, I misspoke, I missed one called "The Other Woman" when someone Juliet doesn't want to see suddenly appears...

Tracy, cool it. I didn't spoil anything. Its on the network site for all to see...

I don't know if somebody already asked, or if I missed something on the show, but I was really intrigued when Miles was talking to Kate and he said something like "Maybe you survived the crash", or "Maybe you didn't survive the crash". Either way it's really the same and I can't check cause I'm at work, but isn't this a significant line, possibly alluding to a time shift of sorts. Please share your thoughts or tell me why I'm an idiot. Thank You.

Why would they give Kate custody of a baby when she is on trial for murder?

LiT: Did it ever occur to you that maybe some us don't go to those sites and read that stuff, cause we like to wait for the episode. For example, I just started reading your post right above the one where you tell me to "cool it" and you are spoiling upcoming episodes in that post too. I think you should keep that information to yourself. Why don't you just point out the website where people who are interested in knowing can go find that information.

I didn't think I was spoiling anything! I don't know any more about anything more than you do!

Good grief

Okay...First off, I think that you would have been way more impressed with this episode, if it wasn't ruined for you.

Second, Kate is passing off that kid as her own and I think she didn't want her mother to see him because I think her mother would have been able to tell that he is not hers. -or- could she have had her own kid and named him Aaron?

Third, could Locke be more of a bad ass?

Did anyone catch the name of the book that Lock put on Ben's breakfast tray? I forgot to tape the episode.....dang!!!

Could Miles just be using his psychic abilities for $$$ ? In his flashback, he "took" money from the dead grandson and said he wouldn't say anything and in this last epi he was taking money from Ben, in order to let him "go".

I think this is going to come back and bite him.

Cat - I went to read the EW article, but the title "Who else escapes?" scared me. Does it give away any spoilers?

Posted by: Tracy | February 1, 2008 12:06 PM

Looking back, I see you are vehement about not knowing anything ahead of time. I apologize if I spoiled something, however, I hardly considered it a spoiler when the network itself offers the title and the main theme of the episode.

Sorry

Was there gold on the Black Rock?

I agree with TRACY. I avoid any websites that are going to tell me what happens before the episode airs. I hate SPOILERS and people who SPOIL an episode. I thought we were here to talk about last nights episode. I don't think people should be posting what happens in future episodes other than what they see in the previews that follow an episode. I totally did not want to know who the Oceanic 6 were, I wanted to find out through the episodes.

If the Black Rock had gold, that could be 'funding' Ben....

Kate has gone beyond annoying now. I'm putting her aside like Jack. More Locke, Ben, and Miles please! I didn't like Miles last week, but now I'm kinda diggin' him.

And am I the only one who got a kick out of Xanadu? Harkens back to a simpler time in my life . . .

And does anyone else have a spouse that watches with you, but doesn't get into it? At the end of last week, I said "now it's getting good" and my husband said "why?" At the end of this week I said "she just called him Aaron" and he said "so?" Sigh.

Was the book VALIS by Philip K. Dick? I've not read it but it looks like it's about a search for God, who "turns out to be a virus, a joke, and a mental hologram transmitted from an orbiting satellite." I read that on Amazon.

Just to be fair, LIT wasn't the first one to say anything. Someone posted the same thing a few weeks back-

Can't we all just get along?

Hey Cat! My husband watches with me. He likes the show but he can barely remember what happens from week to week let alone keep up with all the connections. I usually have to explain things to him during the commercials, because he is not allowed to talk during the show. =)

Larry, I think you are right about the book title. I learned that on this website that further discusses the episode http://blog.washingtonpost.com/celebritology/2008/02/lost_dueling_analyses_eggtown.html (can't remember if it discusses spoilers or not). A quote from that website that I found interesting too is "Even that "Xanadu" mention has some significance since, as any self-respecting child of the '80s knows, that movie was about a woman from another dimension who pushes through time and space to enter the regular world" The article is definitely interesting.

LiT - It wasn't your episode summary that upset me, it was the fact that you name the remaining members of the Oceanic 6, which I'm pretty sure is not posted on abc.com.

Hi CAT!

My husband watches with me and is not allowed to make comments, make noises or roll his eyes during the episode! He claims not to care, but then Friday afternoon calls me from work and wants to know what the latest is on the Lost Diary.

MEN!

*****SPOILER ALERT****SPOILER ALERT*****

I'm a huge nerd!!!! Oh, and I like LOST a lot!!!

*****END OF SPOILER****END OF SPOILER****

VALIS is the book Locke gave to Ben. From Lostpedia
"the book Locke that gives to Ben is this novel by Philip K. Dick. VALIS is an acronym for Vast Active Living Intelligence System, which is the author's gnostic vision of one aspect of God. Dick's novels often feature protagonists immersed in dissolving or fluctuating realities."

i know no one asked but i'm with tracy on this one...i usually really like your posts lit but you've been pretty annoying this morning...post after post re-explaining crap that doesn't make sense no matter which way you word it.

One more thing to add to my post above. When the marshall was dying, he very adamantly told Jack "don't trust her, no matter how she makes you feel." It was as if he was telling the audience this, as well.

I'm on the fence as to whether Kate's Aaron is her own son or Claire's, and I can see both sides of the argument. If it's Claire's Aaron, I think Kate is definitely passing her off as her own. The time/space issue makes this entirely possible...just because Daniel's clock showed a 31-minute difference, that difference is just in the time of day, not the date itself! It could be a year and 31 minutes later in the real world or any variation on that. This explains why the helicopter hasn't gotten to the ship yet...because it's more than just a 31-minute time difference! How long it takes to reach the ship will most likely give us insight into the exact time difference between the island and real world...

yikes, LiT - no spoilers please, that sucks. i like my presents at Christmas, not the week before.

I think Daniel already has a pre-existing condition that impairs his memory. Remember the scene that showed him seeing 815 at the bottom of he ocean, and he doesn't know why he's crying? Also, i forget who mentioned it, but the woman in that scene is listed as his caregiver. Maybe he came to the Island to lap up its "healing powers". Maybe he's brilliant, but something came along and impaired him, and the Freighties have sent him to the Island to heal...? The card game definitely looked like a memory game.

I think Aaron is Claire's son. I think the kids on the Island grow faster than normal - Aaron and Walt are bigger than they should be. ORRRRR maybe the kids are SENT OFF the Island to grow properly. That's why all the kids were stolen and we haven't heard from them since.

I think Jack is forced to make a brutal decision, one involving Claire, Kate, Sayid & Aaron (and maybe more?). His decision causes him turmoil and grief. Perhaps there's a hostage situation - kate gets Claire's baby in exchange for her good behaviour? Or Kate's? SOMEHOW the O6 are forced to act out a charade while the rest of the Losties are at the mercy of someone else - probably Ben. None of them are happy doing this.

Not having a "mothering instinct" doesn't count for much. That would change for ANYONE (guys or girls!) if you were put into a care-giving position for a length of time. Unless you're a little weird, I would think.

Maybe the electricity is coming from the Island itself. If it's generating vast electromagnetic fields, and/or distorting spacetime it would be extremely possible to harness that power.

Questions:
Why would Kate's lawyer use Aaron as a witness - makes absolutley NO SENSE. Unless a) Aaron is supernatural, or
b) Aaron is super special, or
c) Aaron is a lot older than he looks. (unlikely).

Where are the chickens coming from? What, a farm? Weird.

Why exactly $3.2M? (When he said that I laughed my head off - what a weird number!)

Where is future Kate getting her money? Cause she's obviously got LOTS.

All in all i hated this episode. Kate is a whining dweeb who likes to use people, and is about a subtle as a train derailment. Whenever she's onscreen The Island seems like it does more than heal - apparently it gives people super marksmanship, super tracking abilities, super sneaking abilities, and enables people to find clean & sexy clothes in the jungle. boo urns on kate.

This forum is AWESOME guys! Keep it up!! :)

Maybe Kate was afraid to touch Aaron on the island due to time travel.

Maybe Kate wasn't being "stupid" and trying to find out what Miles knew because she wasn't trying to find out if he knew about her criminal past. Maybe it was more to do with time travel again? Maybe there's more to Kate than her criminal past/crash onto the island self?

Lets all leave LIT alone now.

I don't get what posters are saying about time being "years" different in the real world. (Which is the explaination some give for why Aaron could be passed off as Kate's baby) Jack and Frank had a discussion about the world series and the year being 2004. Frank and his crew are from the real world, so this conversation would have seemed strange to Frank if time were different there. Plus, the goofy guy (can't recall his name) was freaked out by the time difference in the rocket being sent to him. So it's not like they know there is a time difference and are trying to pretend there isn't. So again, the time difference between the island and real world being more than a few minutes doesn't jive.

Larry - AMEN.

Everyone needs to chillll...

Let's get back to speculation, the whole reason that we're here. To throw out ideas as to what we think and why, no matter how silly or far-fetched it is. LiT has given us great speculations and theories so far, so give her a break. You asked her not to spoil anything else and I'm sure she won't.

ps, LiT - I totally thought you were a man!

Okay - I thought this was an awesome episode - set the future episodes up to be quite interesting. I agree Sawyer in boxers was an A+ but I also think pre-bearded Jack was an A+ too. As for Aaron - my husband at first thought he had Downes Syndrome. He did look a little like he has something going on. Wouldn't it be creepy if Kate's Aaron is really her and Sawyer's baby and Claire and the real Aaron are still on the island?

Thanks Larry for your comic relief, Janice, and Danielle for your comments.

Sorry if I've been annoying this morning. I didn't mean to ruffle anyone's feathers. Truly. I enjoy this forum just as much as you do, and if I 'spoiled' it for you in any way, I apologize.

I thought the episode was weak also, I DVR'ed it and watched it twice to make sure it was as weak as I thought it was!
I thought Kate said "Eric" and it sounded like "Aaron". I also thought something was wrong with the little boys head, it looked arkward. I'm starting to believe the Vortex theory-with Sayid and Desmond trying to get off the island. There always seems to be a "storm" that hinders traveling one way or another. Daniel has the absentminded professor thing going on with him-but why is Charolette helping him?
There seems to be a scheme with Miles and money. This is the second time we've seen him scheming for money-sans the creepy psychic stuff this episode.
I was sooo thrilled when Sawyer told Kate about her bouncing between him and Jack-he couldn't have told a better truth. I'm not a Kate-hater-but girlfriend needs to get it together with her "love life". Why the hell would she be asking Miles if he knew what she did and why would he care?

This episode didn't do much for me. Maybe it's because I hate Kate. I can't stand her. I was totally surprised by her son being "Aaron". Who knows who he really is. Claire's? Sawyer's? Why didn't Jack want to see him? Geez, I hope next week's episode is better.

I watched the enhanced episode for "The Economist" last night and it pointed out that the time difference was 31 minutes and 18 seconds. It also stated that the freighter was 92 + nautical miles away from the island. Any thoughts?

I'm just wondering--where are the rest of the others that were following Ben? I don't think all of them were killed last season if I remember correctly. So where are they living now?

The more I think about it the more I believe Kate is a much bigger figure than we're led to believe. She looked disappointed that she wasn't pregnant with Sawyer's baby. Why in the world would she want to be pregnant on this island (even if she thinks she's about to get off the island)? Another thing, she's apparently taken pregnancy tests before (in a previous episode with Sun), but wasn't pregnant. If she grew up on the island, maybe that's why she CAN'T get pregnant. Did anyone see a correlation with Ben's protectiveness with Alex and Kate's protectiveness with Aaron? Same kind of weird parental feelings without actually being the parent!

WOW, I think we may be missing something. Maybe Jack doesn't want to see Aaron because he has down syndrome or something else. Maybe Jack blames himself for forces Aaron off the island?!?

Also, did anyone notice the DA kept staring at Kate in a weird way? And why isn't kate allowed to leave California?

Also, I think we can throw out time travel, I really doubt that is what is going on, however I do believe it has something to do with the 31 minutes 18 seconds time difference!!!

O.K. a few points- one, it didn't appear that Lit was saying anything out of line or "spoiling". People have explored, guessed, claimed they had insider info on the O6 since their existence came out. She has done no different. Two, sorry guys but Locke is going off his rocker and I do not like it. I for one do not like being told what to do. Who put you in charge? Starting to act a lot like I don't know...Ben? Three, please remember the "enhanced" episodes are "enhanced" by guys at the network (ABC), no one involved with the show (due to the writers strike) so take the info you get from them with a grain of salt. Fourth, Kate's attorney wasn't talking about Aaron testifying, merely being in the courtroom, I am sure with his nanny, in order to collect sympathy for Kate. Fifth, and last, I too hated the whole Kate Miles thing. She walked from the beach to the compound with Miles, she couldn't have asked him then? I have 40 questions I could ask Miles off the top of my head and that is what she comes up with? I could go on but I'll spare you. Not my favorite episode but bad Lost is still better than anything else. Oh, and I too thought there was something wrong with Aaron.

Is Aaron one of the Oceanic 6?

***spoiler alert****

Episode 8 will center around Michael!!!!

The card trick thing had to do with ESP. Daniel was trying to guess what the cards were face down like a psychic would, usign thier powers.

I don't think the lawyer wanted to put "Aaron" on the witness stand, but just wanted have him there. He wanted the jury to like Kate so having her baby in the court room, staring at her and going "Mama!" would probably soften them up a little bit.

Also, I don't think Kate grew up on the island because in the earlier seasons we learned about her stepfather/father/mother and how her stepfather taught her how to track and all that. Although her stepfather was over in the Middle East with Sayid and Kelvin from the hatch.

I personally liked this episode. Maybe not an A+, but I walked away happy.

Finally, I really love this site, and since I read it every week all my co-workers like to come talk to me on Fridays to see what I've read. Thanks fellow Losties!

Miss your obsessive comments, LiT! Don't stay away!

About the copter:
Are they late to the freighter because of the time shift?
Are they lost because they took a different bearing out?
Are they on the ship but Sayid has taken control and ... and.. something. That seems far-fetched, even to me. But it would explain who Ben's "man on the inside" is.
Are they on the ship and now Ben's man on the ship has taken control and keeping their appearance on the downlow?
Are they not on the ship because the pilot took them somewhere else on purpose?

i'm excited about the copter story!

Hey - not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but last night's episode debunks a big portion of the timelooptheory.com theory (as it was originally proposed) which I found to be such an interesting read. Oh well... :) It was an entertaining option!

Oh and our Losties aren't the only ones who have been to island, returned to the real world and then gone crazy. Remember the guy in the loony bin that Hurley got the numbers from? Was he Dharma, who knows, but it seems that the island does something to people who leave. Another thing, Cindy, either she was an inside person on the plane or Ben can brain wash people pretty darn quick.

MORE ON COPTER
Shouldn't it be out of gas by now?

To JRM--any comment on what has happened to Cindy now? I'm wondering where all of the "others" are at and when they will reappear.

Very funny Larry!

The Original Ana~ I think you were the first to say the the Aaron at the end is her child by birth and not Claire's. I totally agree. I'm not sure how the time thing works out, but I do think she was PG when she left the island. The boy at the end seems big, but they will explain it somehow.

I don't think Claire is dead, I think she is on the island with her Aaron. Why? I have no idea, but she is one reason why Jack melts down and wants to go back. There are people who are left there and no one knows it. Except the O6.

Remember, we have the "bigger ghost Walt" to deal with. Could explain Kate's Aaron's rapid growth.

LIT~ Keep your comments coming! I love them, you didn't ruin anything. There are risks reading any site like this. I love to know spoilers, keep em coming.

At least we wrapped up Kate's story. She and Jack are sooooooo boring. Jack is so boring he is not even cute any more.

Thanks to the writers for the Sawyer eye-candy last night, yummy.

Don't you think Walt is older only because the kid that plays him is 4 years older....he was about 9 or 10 the first season and now is probably a teenager. No mystery. maybe this has been discussed. I am new here

Person~ He told our local AM radio show that the fact that he is now 17 "will be delt with" and Locke also told everyone that Walt, only bigger, saved him.

I assume that they will write something onto the show that has some getting older faster (walt, aaron) and some not at all (eye-liner guy).

I agree wth personreal. Ha Ha poor Walt, he can't play 10 year old Walt anymore because he's 15 now. But of course the writers are explaining that with the space time thing.

Okay, say it's not time travel.
Still Kate was scared to hold Aaron and I think it was more than not wanting to touch a baby thing.
AND there's more to Kate than her criminal past and that is what she's was trying to find out if Miles knew.

I am no mathamatician, but as I recall in last weeks episode the rocket took 31 minutes and 18 seconds - instead of what, 1 minute, 5 minutes? What time frame are we measuring this 31 minutes against? This time difference could be really huge!

D~ what else about Kate? Is it that she is sooooooo stupid and boring?

Really, am I forgetting something?

Hey Daniel,

I am writing this before I read any of the comments this week because I wanted to get things out while they are fresh in my mind. (Also, the comments tend to shape my thinking of the shows.) So if I repeat anything previously written, I apologize.

Daniel, I think you need to step back, take a deep breath, and relook at your analysis of these recent shows. During "The Economist", you made no mention whatsoever of the bracelets, which I felt was one of the bigger moments in the episode.

As for tonight, I'm hoping that the reason you became so jaded was because the ending was ruined for you.

Anyhow, let me proceed. Since last season, one of the big questions has been how Kate beats the rap on everything she did prior to the crash. Yes, the reason the show provided may not have been the greatest, but at least its answered. That debate can end. I think we all knew that this story line would be anticlimactic anyhow. And Kate pretending Aaron was her child at the end was a surprise to me, since I had no prior knowledge. (I still don't know how I missed all these supposed discussions regarding Aaron being "him", but I did.)

Also, I think your obsession with Ben and Locke has clouded your ability to objectively evaluate episodes. Just because they are in scenes on the show does not mean those scenes are automatically great. #1 - Locke's dimmented illusions of his superpowers and "gifts" are a bit annoying quite honestly. He can't do anything with these powers. #2 - Him becoming this dictator like leader I think is a bad move on the writers' parts. His history and facsination with the island is fading with each hardass move he makes. Don't get me wrong, I still love him though.

Lastly, I feel that the scene between Ben and Miles couldn't have been more disappointing. This huge build up to these two meeting and Miles just wants money??? We learn nothing of this. We already knew that Miles was working for someone that wants Ben dead. I always felt that it was assumed for a verrrrrry long time that Ben had money. I mean look at all the things he can do on and off the island. Money is power my friend, and Ben's got power. I felt this scene could have given us soooo much more.

One more thing, if the viewers think Ben is a creepy dude, try to get your hands on Seasons 4 and 5 of "The Practice. Michael Emerson (the actor that plays Ben) plays an introverted man who claims to be a serial killer only to be "proven" that he just wanted attention. In the end, his attorney finds out that he brilliantly masterminded this to throw suspicion off himself (sound familiar). His character (William Hinks) has a recurring role for the next season and a half. If you think Ben is creepy, he is a boyscout compared to William Hinks. My wife and I still freak ourselves out each week just talking about those old episodes of The Practice. You guys gotta check it out.

I thought the Kate not wanting to hold Aaron thing was just to show the contrast of her not wanting anything to do with him, to ending up being his Mommy later on...but I thought it was weird, and there probably is more to it then that...I just can't wrap my mind around the whole Kate being on the island before and somehow being Aaron's real mother...but it could be Sawyers, named after Aaron.

Were the 6 the only ones that are left to be rescued at the end? I can't decide what to think but the flashforwards are leading me to believe that they left the rest of the crash survivors behind alive. Why do only 6 get to leave in the end? There are many others on the beach that seem to want to go home so what is going to happen to them? Why wouldn't the 6 tell what really happened and all of the secrets about the island? What about Juliette? She obviously can't be one of the Oceanic 6 but she desperately wants off of the island. What will happen to her? I just have this feeling that whoever is on that freighter is going to have a part in the decision of who stays and leaves and the story that the 6 will be telling when they get back. I think there is more about the island to be found out since the 6 survivors are covering up what really happened there and especially if they left others behind.

lostandgone~I'm just thinking that the writers wouldn't make it that obviously stupid of her -- plus the whole stay put in California. Surely, she can travel everywhere anytime she wants w/those travel vouchers and the DA knew that. Why so adament about her staying put? I don't know, it's just nagging at me that there's something more.

if kate's lawyer only wanted to bring aaron into the courtroom so people could see him and feel sympathy, why did he make such a big deal out of it, like it was the only thing that could save her? just because someone has a baby, doesn't mean a jury will acquit them of murder! there must be some other reason aaron would help kate in the courtroom, though not sure what that is...

and is claire wearing a wig??

Just a comment-Did anyone else notice the pair of 3 fingered and toed beings on the wall over Aarons bed? Just like the statue on the Island? Weird, but probably nothing...

i said this last week, and i'm standing by it. i don't think that aaron is one of the oceanic 6. i really, really, really don't think they would count him since he technically wasn't on the flight. he wasn't in the flight manifest, so he won't be counted as a "survivor". it would be very obvious to everyone that he was born on the island. i think the 6 will all be adults.

why didn't juliette leave on the helicopter? for someone who wants to go home sooooooooo badly, why is she just hanging around? surely not for jack, who she has feelings for but must have stronger feelings to see her sister.

Britton~ Locke's leadership seems forced and not natural. He was trying to be a badass after the breakfast scene with Ben, but could not keep his cool and smashed the tray. If you are going to be the leader, keep your anger to yourself. Ben was very pleased.

The grenade scene with Miles was silly, I think the grenade was a dud. He is trying to scare everyone into following him. I want to see a cool, in control Locke lead. He's even afraid of Kate so he's sending her away.

ok i dont know if this has been brought up before but did anyone else thought that kate's nanny/housekeeper looked like juliet's sister?? as soon as i saw her i though she looked exactly like juliet's sister who had cancer..i could be wrong

i also don't think that just because 6 made it off, it means the others are all dead. someone for some reason made up the story that jack recites on the stand, and they keep telling it to protect those on the island.
while i do think this episode was less than stellar, i never believe that an episode of lost is really bad or unnecessary. most people were wondering how kate would get out of facing serious jail time if she left the island. most people were wondering whether or not she was pregnant. everyone was wondering when we would hear from the helicopter when it reached the freighter. this episode was slow and it wasn't a HUGE episode, but it bridged a gap, and it takes time to build up to a really huge episode on this show. i don't take any episode for granted (except the nicki/paolo fiasco - that one was totally unnecessary, and i don't see any of what happened in that episode to come back later).

When Ben and Miles were talking about the 3.2 Million, then Ben said "what about Charlotte", Miles said I'll take care of her... I instantly thought Charlotte will take care of Miles as she is working for Ben and Ben will get his money back...

I like the vortex or time stands still theory and thought the entertainment weekly article referenced in last episode's comments was interesting. The writer's made me realize we might be reading more in to some things than others.

I also thought that Kate was lying when she told Sawyer she wasn't pregnant and she was really upset that he was happy but then again the Oceanic 6 we already knew Kate was one from prior episodes so Aaron must be one of the 6.

hh - I thought at first too, after last week especially, and it does seem quite likely that Aaron is not one of the 6, but I keep going back and forth on that one. Part of me says what you say, and the rest of me says that the media would dub ALL of the survivors a particular name. Not, "The Oceanic 6 plus that one kid named Aaron." But, maybe...

the show is kinda like chess. it takes a while to set up all the pieces, and then you go in for the attack.

hh~ I agree, maybe Aaron is not "officially" one of the o6 because he wasn't on the plane manifest. I don't think he will be one of the 6.

Something seems strange that the 6 survivors don't want to tell the truth about the island. Who would get all of them to make up this story? I guess the only thing logical to me is that everyone else that is left there really doesn't want to leave but then why wouldn't the rescuers just leave them there and why this big lie? I think we can safely say that there were more than 6 survivors of that crash that want to go home again so this just isn't making a lot of sense to me at the moment. This season is definitely starting out more interesting than last season.

Can baby Aaron be one of the Oceanic 6? Without starting a conception=life debate. Doesn't a survivor need to be listed on the planes passenger manifest ? IE. someone that bought a ticket. The airline would just have Claire listed as pregnant right?

I also believe the baby didn't look right for some reason. Could it be the size of his head. Maybe the island causes them to have EXTRA mental abilities.

ok, i just read the comment by "wow" and i wanna say, fuck you. this is not the place for spoilers.

Anonymous~ I agree, I want to know why they are lying and why Jack freaks out and wants to go back. What is the secret?

Some are left on the island and are in danger?

Why don't they tell everything?

Why say only 8 lived?

WHO was in the coffin?....I can't let this go...

I think baby Aaron, Claire's or Kate's, is going to be a MAJOR player in the future. What kinds of ablities would a baby born or concieved on the island have? Would he have the ability to automactically find/see the location of the island, when others can't? Time travel? Love this show!!!!

anonymous- All I know of the other, others is that they were headed for "the temple" (season finale). Probably won't see them until Cain is official canceled.
cammies- In reference to Aaron gaining sympathy for Kate from the jury- I think there is a back story about him and Kate and maybe even Claire that would increase his sympathy value. In addition it is a tactic used by both prosecution and defense to sway the jury, to see the person not the crime, etc.

I have this really crazy thought....I dont know why but when i was checking out the kid to see if he resembled Sawyer, when they first showed his face all distorted...I thought it resembled BEN....but could it be possible with this time travel thing? And that is why Jack wants nothing to do with him? I know it is really out there but...

Hey people,

These people on this show are actors. The child playing Aaron is an actor. Please stop looking for resemblences. THEY ARE ACTORS. THE ACTOR PLAYING AARON WILL RESEMBLE TWO PEOPLE. HIS REAL LIFE MOTHER AND FATHER!!!!!

I'm not really worried about who the 6 are at this point. They will reveal that in time. I'm wondering more about why the 6 are lying about what really happened with the crash, the island, everthing. Why the cover up?

How does Ben get off of the island? We know from Sayid's flash forward that he's off the island but he won't be one of the 6. Does that mean that Juliette and Desmond might get off the island too since they couldn't be part of the 6? If they get to leave the island why would Kate want to go back as one of the 6 crash survivors knowing that she could go back to jail. Was she forced? Couldn't they get her and/or other survivors off of the island anonymously if Ben is able to leave? Something is up with how the 6 got off and the lie they are telling.

Deb-
*shudder*

The episode that contains a Kate-Ben love scene is the episode I'd have to stop watching LOST. That's just so... wrong.

Hi All!

So we’ve got Desmond, the psychic, and Miles, the clairvoyant. We have Hurley and Locke experiencing clairaudience (the ability to hear voices that are not of the physical world) with regard to Jacob. In this episode we have Charlotte testing, what seemed to me as, Daniel’s psychic ability with the deck of cards. So I wonder the significance of the four cards shown in this episode (three in the Daniel and Charlotte scene and the one in the picture on the wall in Aaron’s room). Maybe the writers have thrown a little Tarot card thing in? Could the card’s meaning be foretelling the future of the Lostie’s? I don’t read cards but this website http://www.metasymbology.com says the following about the four cards shown in this episode.

By the way, in a Tarot card reading, a three cards layout usually means past, present, future. I’ve listed the meanings of the cards in the order they were shown in the Daniel/Charlotte scene which would correspond with the past, present, future concept.

Spades - Labor; Wisdom
3 of Spades - Difficulty in Finding Solutions
Challenge for the 3 of Spades - Fear of the Higher Law.

Three of Spades have come to labor for whatever achievement is theirs and unless they are willing to struggle for the enlightenment of their load, they will stay in a rut and resign themselves to drudgery.

Health may be a problem for people born under this card. If a health condition is not headed off at once, it may become chronic or of long duration. This aspect, coupled with their inherent doubt about doctors can cause them to make changes and experiments with both the Doctor and the medicines prescribed. As a rule, the majority fare better with natural methods and physiotherapy than with drugs. Spades belong to the earth; they are close to the heart of Mother Nature herself.

The main thing to overcome is doubt, as defense mechanism against disappointment. Once they have made up their minds they do have the inherent tenacity to abide by their decision. The trouble lies in an unwillingness to stop, analyze and then choose. All 3 of Spades need to learn to "Look Before They Leap!"

Clubs - Mind
6 of Clubs - Intuition
Challenge for the 6 of Clubs - Cultivation of Intuition

This is the messenger's card but there are many 6 of Clubs who are unaware of their important mission and are unwilling to take the time or trouble to develop their inherent intuition, which is their greatest gift.

The strong drive of 6 toward duty and responsibility sets them apart as forerunners. Conversely, the easygoing lethargy of the 6 will make them sluggards and lazybones. There seems to be no half way measures.

Peace of mind is very important to them and many sacrifices are made to attain it. All 6's are worriers and the 6 of Clubs is no exception. They worry about doing less than is expected of them; they worry about not being able to fully commercialize their talents - and most of all, they worry about the happiness and progress of their loved ones

The professional field is not in tune with them; theirs is the path of light, not that of labor.

Their intuitive faculties are second to none and should they learn to live by their intuitions, astonishing revelations are a part of their "karmic" destiny.

Diamonds - Values
Queen of Diamonds - Desired Domination in the Realm of Values
Challenge for the Queen of Diamonds:
Desire For Financial Security At All Cost

Some of our greatest philanthropists are the Queen of Diamonds. In the world of art, some of our greatest poets, painters and musicians have contributed their "wealth". It is these Queen of Diamond people that have learned what true values are.

The path for the Queen of Diamond is a hard one - so beset with difficulties and obstacles that those who are on it must use all their strength of will and energy of body to overcome them.

They are people fitted for authority and should have it.

Because of illness or responsibility, they may be forced into uncongenial work which becomes an added burden to their already difficult life spread.

They are diligent and dependable, strong of character and determined. They must guard against hardness, sharpness of tongue, domination and self-will. They have much to contend with and much should be forgiven them - but they are also much to blame.

In Aaron’s Bedroom:

Spades - Labor, Wisdom
7 of Spades - Victory of Materiality
Peace in the Higher Self
Challenge for the 7 of Spades - Recognition of Power

The 7 of Spades are powerful people. Illness may come through worry over business - or a frustrated desire to live beyond their means. Their heritage of power is sometimes misdirected to a longing for magnificence and disappointment is then their lot until they learn to awaken to greater wisdom.

They will work quietly, often secretly and are usually willing to remain behind the scenes. For that reason they are valuable in secret service and are greatly aided by their instinctive discernment of truth or falsehood. They have many friends but few loves. Generosity is a strong point and willingness to serve.

Of all the cards they represent the best teachers and wisest councilors.
In business they are honest and reliable. In love they are faithful.

Sorry for the long post, but I found it interesting and had to share!

ok, people keep mentioning time travel, and we really don't have any evidence to support people traveling back and forth years or months. the only thing we have is a time delay of 31 minutes 18 km off shore (distance from the island could affect the difference, obviously). but it's not like they have a delorean parked out back that's gonna take them anywhere they wanna go in time. that really bugs me. time DELAY, not really time TRAVEL. ok, sorry for that rant.

Deb~ I would die. But then again anything could happen, remember, Sayid is working for Ben.

"I'd sell my soul before I would listen to that man" ~Sayid, referring to Ben

Awesome Gerri!!! I love catches like that!!!!

Couple of ideas:

Maybe Kate really is pregnant, but tells Sawyer that she isn't when she see's his reaction to idea that she could be. How often does that happen in real life? Oh wait, this is LOST life!

Also, I thought that Aaron looked like he has Down's Syndrome.

By the way, the vegetation at her house looked very, very tropical. Which, for those of us who live in California know, isn't how most houses are landscaped. I thought it looked like she was in Hawaii or some place similar.

Lastly, what if there are alternate flashforwards? Meaning, Kate has her own, Jack has his own? And thus there are parallel universes for all of them? Or have I just had too much coffee today?

Lost is one of those shows that even if an episode doesn't feel marvelous the night that you watch it, later on they(usually) give you information that makes you look back at the episode and realize it was actually good.

I don't think Aaron is one of the O6 either, but I also don't think Claire is dead. Maybe she chose to stay behind (can't think of why yet) and asked Kate to take Aaron with her so he could be raised off the island? Or maybe the O6 were forced to leave the island and leave everyone behind without telling them? Not sure. Such a great show! I'm dying to know how it all ends.

Someone asked where the chickens came from...I vaguely remember when we finally got the Other's POV when the plane crashed (The Book Club Episode) I think there were chickens running around. The barracks kinda are like their own little commune.

PS as far as spoilers I think it's no big deal BUT like I did, I just posted the website and I said it was spoilers anonymous SO don't click on it if you don't want to read it. Sorry I was late with that response, I was in class.

Anyway, everyone knows (since he is on the cast list for this season and he's said on interviews) that Michael is coming back, we just don't know how...

Lost is filmed in Hawaii so likely the scene at Kate's house was just filmed there and that's why it looks tropical. I'm sure she is living in CA--she took a cab home from the courthouse in the episode.

When I first saw Kate's baby my first thought was that it was Miles' son. Maybe Kate used Miles to get off the island, and the baby is a by-product. Which is why Jack won't have anything to do with it - probably because of issues with Miles and whatever are/were Miles' real reasons for being on the island.

OH! and one more thing...

Last night after the episode we went back to watching the show all over again. Last night was The White Rabbit (where Jack finds the coffin)

Well I couldn't help but notice everytime someone sees Christian...out comes Locke. Like when Jack was hanging off the edge of the cliff because he was chasing his dad, here comes Locke to lift him up. Then when Hurley saw the cabin and the eye and Christian in the chair he freaked out and ran into Locke.

What do you guys think? Just coincidence?

i'm interested to see how michael comes back. i never really thought he left the island, i couldn't believe that the others would let him and walt leave so easily. especially when walt was supposedly so "special" to the others. at the time, i thought the specific coordinates were given to michael so that when he went there, he and walt would be intercepted by waiting others. then walt and michael were taken back to the island secretly and kept prisoner!

Something I should add about the cards, specific to the playing card in Aaron's bedroom. The website I mentioned above, says:

Birthdays ruled by this card are:
Jan. 7 (Capricorn) Feb.5 (Aquarius) March 3 (Pisces) April 1 (Aries)

Perhaps the playing card is giving us a clue to Aaron's birthday?

Hey Daniel, I was thinking about it today, the FF vs FB on Lost...I think they've past the flashback stages for all the characters (except of course Danielle, Richard and Ben)...from here on in it's all forward...besides I don't want to know any more about their pasts, I think the producers have done a fine job....i'm thinking characters such as Boone/Echo/AnaLucia and the rest will somehow reappear later on...like Charlie did....I think those who died on the island don't really die...makes no sense but that's what I'm going with...anyway off on a tangent...basically the focus of this season is obviously the oceanic 6 and the escape from the island, I'm sure we'll have Danielle (who frankly I don't really find very interesting), Richard (I think he is the BIG player here) and Ben (who I agree travels to and from the island - though the question is why didn't he just have the surgery off the island)anyway, we'll have them explained eventually.....they are big mysteries and I'm sure some of the island itself will be explained in the final season. I agree last nights episode was boring but I think the writers are headed in the right direction...going to check out that lostpedia thingy...god I'm obsessed!!

First of all, why would Kate name another baby Aaron--it is obviously Claire's child that she is raising as her own. In my mind this leaves 2 possibilities:

1) Something happens to Claire and she is not able to raise him anymore (ie she dies).

2) Claire wants him off the island but for some reason does not or cannot leave the island herself. Maybe she is not allowed to leave the island but for some reason they will allow Aaron too.

I don't even see why anyone cares whether he's counted as one of the 6 at this point. The point is, he's off the island and Claire is not and it seems that Kate is lying about him being her son. Her mother even said that she wanted to meet her grandson so obviously part of the big lie of the 6 survivors is that he's Kate's son. If it was out in the open that he wasn't her son biologically why would Kate's mother care about meeting him and call him her grandson?

Gerri- one of the dates is April 1 and what day is that?

I matters if Aaron is one of the 6, because we're trying to guess who is left of the O6. If Aaron is counted as 1, then there is only 1 left. If he's not counted, then there are 2 of the O6 left to be revealed. That's why. Is it important?, no. Is it a game we all play to try and make sense of a ridiculous show that we all watch when we should be doing more productive things? Yes.

Yes.

We have had one flashback for Ben. Remember the gassings, etc.

Funny non-Lost sidenote. I was watching the Aerosmith video for Cryin and Sawyer was in it as the guy who steals the purse! And he still has that fabulous hair of his!

Yes!

Gerri...if Kate's Aaron from last night's episode is Claire's Aaron, he would have been born in, what..the 20-30 some odd days following the crash. The crash was September 22...so he would have been born some time in October/November. That is, if baby Aaron on present day island is toddler Aaron in Kate FF.

First time to post -- anywhere!

• My initial thought regarding Kate's attitude toward baby Aaron with Claire was that she was remembering being a mother herself. I strongly believe that she previously had a child -- perhaps raped by her stepfather. This would be the relevance to why her lawyer would want her son in the courtroom -- an explanation as to why she might kill him. Kate had a longing -- perhaps flashBACK look -- on her face when she was watching Claire with Aaron.

• However, I also think that the baby at the end of the episode was HER biological child. Perhaps the episode title "Eggtown" was in reference to her being artificially inseminated when she was held as a prisoner by the others --perhaps with Ben or Jacob's sperm. That is why she felt compelled to sleep with Sawyer (and they let her do that) to cover up a possible pregnancy.

I read someone's comment here about the writer for this episode being female. That makes this all make more sense. It seemed obvious to me that Kate was just testing Sawyer when she said she wasn't pregnant -- otherwise she would not have been so upset with his response. A pregnant woman would want someone to take care of her -- or at the very least, be supportive of her.

I guess I'm more interested in other questions about the show. The fact that only 6 get off is interesting but I find it more interesting that they may have left some of the survivors on the island and lie about it. Maybe they should have a flashforward of someone left on the island--if there is anyone left there at the end. Maybe everyone else is really dead and the 6 don't want to tell the real story about how that happened--but again why not? Why wouldn't you want everyone to know the truth.

I love reading this stuff the day after...perfect thing to do on a snowy day! Here's a stupid question - I have been watching and rewatching since day one but sometimes I forget details - weren't there like 42 survivors originally? So why does Jack say that there were only 8? I have no theory, just wondered if anyone else caught that lie.

I agree that Kate is pregnant with Sawyer's baby and telling him she wasn't was a test - oldest one in TV land....

Big fan of Lost and the diary. Never posted before but had a theory about Kate/Jack/baby. I have to say I was suprised when she called the baby Aaron, but I still think that the baby is Kate's and Sawyer's. It makes perfect sense to me that Kate would not see JAck unless he met and accepted her child - what mother would want to be with a person who couldn't even look at her child?

Another thing - the Ben/Miles scene. I totally think that the whole conversation was almost a code. The 3.2 had to have significance as well as the reference to the week to get the money. Maybe MILES was Ben's guy on the boat and he needed to let him know he was no longer there and that something was going to happen in a week. It was all too staged.

Love, LOVE Sawyer.

Anyone think that it is actually Kate's baby and she named him Aaron to remind herself of Aaron and Claire who chose to stay on the island? That would also explain why Jack doesn't want to see him... Because the baby is Sawyer's?????? Too far fetched or possible?

What is with the title eggtown? Knowing that there is always a meaning behind the title, perhaps it has something to do with "what came first, the chicken or the egg", after all there was reference to Locke killing a chicken in the episode.

Hi!

Lostandgoneforever, RE: your question: "Gerri- one of the dates is April 1 and what day is that?" Can you clarify? Do you mean the day of the week?

MicheleD, about your comment: Gerri...if Kate's Aaron from last night's episode is Claire's Aaron, he would have been born in, what..the 20-30 some odd days following the crash. The crash was September 22...so he would have been born some time in October/November. That is, if baby Aaron on present day island is toddler Aaron in Kate FF.

Is it the same toddler? We have no way of knowing at this point. Could the real Aaron have died and Kate had Sawyer's baby and named him Aaron in honor of Claire's baby? There could be so many scenarios. Like most of us, I don't have a clue. But I think the playing card thing is telling us something and it's significant that it was in the baby's room. Unless the writers are just messing with us! :)

I was wondering if I was the only one that didn't really "get" the title. I thought it might've been a reference to the eggs that Locke cooked for Ben in the barracks. He mentioned it was the last two. I guess the barracks could be called a "town". I dunno... those eggs didn't seem all that important to me.

Oh God how I hate Kate! She's by far the worst "lostie". Why in the hell would she want to go back anyway, unless she really was preggers...and geesh, is she so dumb that she actually thought Miles wouldn't know who she was and what she had done?!
Anywho, I guess I'm the only person who thinks Kate's baby was fathered by Jack. I don't know why or how, but I think that it will be revealed eventually. It's too obvious that the baby would be Claire's Aaron. And if Jack was so secure in knowing Sawyer wouldn't let Locke hurt Kate in last week's episode--he seems to be reconciled to knowing Kate & Sawyer have a love thing going on. (he didn't even seem that upset when he found out she stayed with Locke's group)...so why would he refuse to see a baby fathered by Sawyer? The only reason there would be so much anguish and tension about the child is if he is the father. I think the baby is Jacks.

@ Flurp:
THere are no "alternate" realities. There was a website with an excellent interview with the writers that Larry posted in last week's comments section, and the writers make it very clear that there is only one timeline and that doesn't change. HOWEVER, they also mentioned the time-differential and made a passing comment on quantum physics (but they could have been joking?).

Regarding the age difference with the kids: I'm betting the Island has a weird effect on time and that's how they're playing the whole Walt thing. I wouldn't be surprised if they used that on Aaron too - regardless of who future-Aaron's mother is.

"Eggtown" - interesting. We've got Locke giving Ben the last two eggs. Locke killing chickens. Kate pretending to be not preggers (or mistakenly thinking she was, whatever). Babies galore - Aaron, Kate-Aaron, and Sun's impending delivery. hmmmmm

I wonder if the reason we don't really see future-Aaron's face is because it's scarred. Maybe there was an accident? Killed Claire? Jack was at fault? Jack's unwillingness to see Aaron seems like guilt to me - he's really hung up on MAKING THINGS RIGHT, yknow? He's an obsessive fix-it kinda guy.

LiT, where are you? I'm sorry I snarked at the spoiler-thing. A misunderstanding on my part...

I - heart - sayid...
i thought that jack might be kates baby daddy too. i posted that way this morning. but after writing it out and explaining it to myself it sounded like an soap opera not an episode of lost.

but theres still hope! haha i kinda stand by it, but i think its more likely its sawyers. id rather have jack end up with juliette

Didn't Kate take a sip of the red wine Sawyer offered her? This seems to lead us to believe she knew she really wasn't pregnant...

alf i noticed that too, but i dont remember actually seeing her sip it.

and i know its not the best thing in the world and im pretty sure abc wouldnt show it, but i know people whove had a sip of wine while they were pregnant and the baby is completely fine.

so thats just an iffy kinda thing

Ethan Wilcox III - miles tells kate, "who knows, maybe you didn't survive the crash." and he tells her maybe she would be better off on the island. now, that makes me think that he's offering her the chance the stay on the island, and it also makes me think that he (the "boss", whoever that is) has no intention of rescuing everyone.
carriem - last week sayid told the other golfer (the one he shot) that he was part of a large settlement that involoved a plane crash, that he was one of the O6. kate would have been part of that settlement as well, giving her lots of money.

P.S. Loved that Hurley chose to watch Xanadu. One of my favorite movies from childhood!
"Xanadu, Xan-a-duuuuu, now we are here, in Xanadu..." How awesome would it be if Olivia Newton John made a guest appearance? Appropriate, no? Remember the boyfriend who mysteriously dissapeared at sea? Very "lost-ish". I'm just sayin'....

just a thought, I heard someone mention, one of the lawyers maybe, that Kate killed her father. I though the guy she killed was her stepfather--could Ben be her father? any thoughts?

Gerri, I was just commenting on those dates you gave in your explanation about the birthdays ruled by the card that appears in Aaron's bedroom. None of those dates gel with the time that Claire's Aaron was born. If there is some significance to that card in light of your explanation, Aaron in that FF could not be Claires. And this certainly is getting its share of discussion...is he Claire's or is he Kate's?? The writers of this show certainly know how to generate conversation and speculation! :-) Who knows what is going on, right? I, for one, will certainly be sorry to see this show leave the air waves - but, on that same token I am going to want some concise resolution! I enjoyed your tarot/card discussion and we all know the writers draw upon all kinds of wild stuff to weave through the story!! Four seasons in and it definitely has been quite a ride and without a doubt abnormally addictive!!!

A)assuming that it's claire's aaron.
i think there is something special about aaron in TWO ways.
1) yes, maybe he has downs sydn or something similar- this would explain why the lawyer wants him in court. to show that she is caring for a special needs child and they the jury should not send her to jail. the development of th eillness could have happened after leaving the island.

2) Special in that has powers -maybe negative- as foretold by psychic to claire.there could have been a tussle to keep him on the island but kate had promised claire to look out for him. so when claire dies kate takes aaron with her - and jack knows of that the prohecies (bad) could come true. But kate believes if she is a loving mother , aaron will be good and she can change the prohecy. she is going to try. This explains jack not wanting to do too much with this aaron. but kate is fully committed to aaron and feels she can raise a an aaron who will be GOOD.

ON THE OTHER HAND, assuming baby aaron in this episode is kate's aaron and she got pregnant by sawyer on the islaand - also puts pieces together.
1) Gives kate a reason to leave island- she does not want to die like the other mothers.
2) Tussle with Miles to get a sense of the landscape she will be dealing with in terms of having to face trial etc or not. getting a reality check and preparing herself for what she has to do for her and her baby.
3) Jack has problems with dealing with sawyers child. also the child may have some special needs that jack tried to fix and jack cannot face the child becasue he could not FIX him. maybe another motive for going back would be to FIX him?

"Gerri- one of the dates is April 1 and what day is that?" Can you clarify? Do you mean the day of the week?

Gerri, April 1 is generally referred to as April Fools Day. =)

Hang on with me for a second...just a thought regarding the time difference. The clocks on Daniel's rocket experiment showed a difference of 31 minutes and 18 seconds. The rocket was shot off from the freighter which was 92 nautical miles away. Here's the thing...the rocket is traveling at the speed of a bullet. A helicopter travels much, much, much slower....thus this would explain why it hasn't arrived on the freighter as of 24 hours later. And it could explain the time difference in "real" world too. Right?

there is a lot of Why would they lie about everything when they get off the island? obviously, someone/something is making them lie. but think about this...do you think they would have told the entire truth anyway? black smoke monsters? hatches and numbers? others? and how some people killed each other? if you were dr. jack shepherd would you want to tell people that you had to strangle a u.s. marshal because sawyer's gun shot didn't kill him the first time around?
i also think there will be another "purge" of sorts, and a lot of the losties left behind will die, but many will survive. i keep thinking back to what i believe sayid said "there will be a war coming that no one will be able to stop" - i think we can replace "will be" with "is". something really bad is coming, something so bad, the O6 are willing to lie about everything.

Someone said that conversation btwn miles and Ben seemed staged - LOVE that theory!! LOVE the idea that Miles is Ben's man on the boat! Of course he would have to let Ben know...

Remember when they told Faraday to hang up if Minkowski(SP?) answered? Maybe there's a couple of factions playing here - Minkowski and boat vs Miles and the chopper people. Maybe they had a falling out?

ohhhh there's too much! love it

nancy,
kate killed her father. she thought he was her step father but when she realised he was indeed her father - that's what incited her to kill him- she could not stand that he was part of her.

@ray - Yeah, i'm totally getting that Jack-fix vibe. I'm definitely NOT convinced Aaron is anyone but Claire's baby, though. Seems too weird.

@Suze: That is an EXCELLENT observation! That is, that velocity has an effect on the timeslip, if the vortex theory is correct.

Everyone remember that time moves slowly on the island. Kate could have said she got preggers ON the island, perhaps by one of the 2 survivors that died (in accordance with their story). She is definitely trying to pawn the child off as her own, and is not letting anyone see him to protect his true identity. She is even willing to forgo a plea bargain and risk incarceration to keep it secret.

I too thought that aaron had issues when they first showed him. I think it was just a bad angle but I was thinking Down Syndrome at first glance.

nancy - are you the nancy that hasn't watched the other seasons yet? (from the Q&A?). just wondering...
kate did kill her father. she was raised believing that he was her step-father, and when she found out he was her biological dad, it made her even more angry about the alcoholism and abusiveness. she couldn't believe that she was his daughter. then she killed him. so, yeah, it's kinda confusing, but he was her biological father.

Stacey - I'm sorry, but really? Seriously, really? You're for real, like not joking for real?

Yeah, pretty sure we all cought that "lie" thanks.

throw no tomatoes at me...but ....

I love kate. totallly.

Maybe something happened to Claire and the original aaron on the copter...so,by then Kate has her baby, and to get off the island, kate said she was claire so people wouldn't find out who she really was and names her baby aaron. She then decides she can't lie anymore and turns herself in to face the music as Kate and the kid is already used to his name being aaron.Just a thought...

terese - i thought about that, but it kinda doesn't make sense. the only people who know claire's baby's name are the people on the island. so kate could have used any name and just said she was claire.

Several people mentioned they thought something was wrong with Aaron, but I'm prety sure it was the child playing Aaron who was told to pretend he was waking up, thus the weird facial expressions. Here is a screencap of Aaron:

http://bp3.blogger.com/_pG1kU-zfuxM/R75L9loF8WI/AAAAAAAAAF0/3uB1wIJmcWY/s1600-h/screen-capture-36.jpg

The child couldn't have been more than 3, maybe younger, thus his acting skills are likely not that great. He appears to be a perfect little guy in the screenshot. Nothing weird, or wrong with him.

2nd glance @ that screenshot of Aaron-I think Charlie has been re-born! ha ha-daniel!!

I don't know if anybody has suggested this yet, but I didn't see it in the comments I read through.

A lot of people have been saying "There's no way the timing would work for Kate to pass off Aaron as her son."

But time is screwy on the island. Nobody knows the exact nature or size of the time difference (I don't think Faraday's experiment conclusively says it is 31 minutes 100% of the time). For all we know, in "rest of the world" time, the Losties could have been on the island a lot longer (they get back and to everyone else, three years have passed or something like that), thus allowing Kate to pass off Aaron as her son.

Now, I'm not saying that is absolutely how I think Kate is passing Aaron off as her son. It is just one possibility. What I am sating is that in a show like Lost, which has soooooooo many references to abnormal time (Mittelos = lost time, Faraday's experiment, time travel theories) it is hard to make arguments based on normal timing.

HH - so that line that Miles tells Kate is just his suggestion that she "died" in the crash and should just hide out on the island? Looks like I was reading a little too much into it?

Is it possible that the baby is not Claire's Aaron, but a totally different Aaron?

OK this is weird, but here goes. What if Kate didn't want her Mom to see Aaron because he has some weird healing powers, just like Walt seems to be able to kill birds (or at least make them fly into windows). More on the play of black vs. white?

boy oh boy oh boyyyyyyy.

first off, hello to all the regulars!! i regret to inform that this is my first official post of the year. for shame, for shame i know. secondly, i should warn you all that i have not read the previous posts yet, so i sincerely hope i'm not lynched.

most importantly i would like to defend my character Dan (!), and voice my frustrations about LOST being on Thursday nights. WTF!!! so over it. worst decision ever. i watched the last 2 episodes drunk and almost didn't make this one cuz i had plans. get it together ABC, thursday night was such a dumb move! it's not that my commitment is lacking. Dan's totally annoyed with me!

i feel i should also express my extreme frustration with this season thus far. i'm not a hater, and i love the flashforward thing, but i find myself getting more and more frustrated every week! i love the stuff going on, but i'm so annoyed at the loose ties that never got dealt with. a couple things i'm frustrated about:

- where the HELL are the other "others". yes, i know they're at the temple or something, but c'mon. there are a lot of them and i find it hard to believe they're just in hiding.
- why was Charlotte the only one wearing a bulletproof vest last week?
- if Claire is killed off then WHY did they make such a big deal about her being on the plane in the flist place? the psychic guy and all that? remember when they made a big deal that everyone was on the plane for a reason? is all of that just tossed out the window now? i hate how inconsistent everything is just because they're adding new plots. please finish up the old ones please! another example: now that we now the "others" weren't dharma, than why did they want Walt?
_ where the hell is Richard (the one with guyliner) i find it really hard to believe that the "hostiles/island natives" are just hiding out somewhere while all of this is going on
- why did Sayid get punked into working for Ben? Sayid is smarter than that. if he's indebted to Ben, how come no one else is? Jack, Hurley and Kate aren't? because he went on the first helicopter?
- does Aaron count as one of the Oceanic 6? he better not!
- who are the 2 they're saying didn't make it? Claire and who else? Desmond better make it!
- where's Penny?
- I CAN'T BELIEVE can't Kate turned down Sawyer last night!!! it's official, she must be killed now.

ok, now off to read everyone's comments...

hope everyone's have a happy new year so far, so nice to see everyone back on the blog!! :)

xo

I'm BAAAACCK!
You thought I would scare off so easily? Nope, no such luck. As luck would have it, just when I started getting attacked, 'real life' interrupted and I had to leave...which was just as well.

In many ways, I like reading your comments better than making my own (especially when I get attacked!) Anyways, thanks for the support-

Gerri, love the card info. What if each card represented one of the freighties;
3 of spades for Daniel with health problems
Queen of diamonds for money hungry Miles
and the 6 of clubs could be the sluggard pilot or Charlotte as the messenger(Ben's man on the boat). Or does this sound nuts?

By the way, I love the idea of the Locke/Miles talk being code!

could the title eggtown possibly mean that as we watch future episodes it will become apparent that this episode included a lot of easter eggs and those who thought this episode was a bust will feel kinda, um...lost??

or possibly i will, for even mentioning the whole easter egg thing??...not to mention the rather sad pun i was determined to include...despite the urging from my son not to do so

did anyone else notice that Aaron called Kate "Mummy" with an accent???

I think the conversation between Miles and Ben was in code - $3.2 million dollars is a strange amount to ask for. Those on the freighter are probably going to launch a rescue mission for Ben, and that's when some more of the Losties get killed, maybe even Claire if we are to believe that Kate's Aaron is really Claire's Aaron. I also suspect that deals were struck which is why The 6 get off the island.

I have read a lot of the comments here (just found this one last week-love it!) and on the TMZ site today and I notice that there is a lot of focus on people trying to figure which 2 of the 8 initial survivors died. We all know he lied on the stand but-when Jack gave his testimony and spoke of the 8 that survived, he also said that they had a "water landing". He said they lost 2 of the 8 (down to 6 now...who most theorize are the "oceanic six"). He also told how Kate pulled them out of the water, etc. Can it be, that he is following the story of the newscast that we saw in episode 1 of the season? That the plane was submerged (intact, I believe) underwater. It makes sense because we 1) all know that there were way more than 8 that survived that crash and 2)the plane did not land in the water when it crashed. We even know that even though 6 make it back, there are still survivors on that island because Jack knows he needs to go back (end of last season). I hope that makes sense.

I think that Claire is still on the island. I also do not think that Aaron would be considered one of the "6" because he was not a crash survivor-he was born to one.

Does anyone know when we will see Michael and/or Walt? I had thought I read it was to be last nights epi but I guess not. I think Michael is on the freighter. I told my husband that at the end of last season, although I never considered him to be Ben's man at that point.

ok, I had another thought about Aaron looking a lot older than he should. We don't know how far in the future this trial is taking place. Kate could have been off the island for a couple years already and therefore Aaron would look older. Although, still too old to be her son - which goes back to the time difference on the island and off the island. Who knows! :)

I don't think this episode was as bad as you are making it out to be. It was actually pretty good.

"Was Aaron the 'him' in the first flash back" was something I had already been wondering and tonight I figured Aaron WOULD be Kate's "son" from when she didn't want to pick him up when hanging out the laundry with Claire.

No one spoiled it for me, but I think that your feelings about the show were spoiled by the email you got.

plainlost - yeah, i told me husband almost the exact same thing about the plane found in the water. after they find out there were survivors, they can't just go back and say, oh yeah, that airplane on the bottom of the ocean was planted! we scammed everyone! they almost have to go with that being the actual plane, and somehow, 8 passengers were able to get out. remember, they don't retrieve any of the bodies, they just pronounce everyone dead.

plainlost - also, the plane they found was broken in at least two pieces.

I do think that kate is testing sawyer when she tells him she is not pregnant, there is a look of dissolution in her face when he reacts so joyfully to find out she isn't, also, I think the baby is not claire's, it would just be too easy....and I think the baby is kate and jack's, not sawyer's, again, the blonde hair is too easy. I happen to have one child that looks nothing like me or his dad, and I think this child is kate and jack's, maybe when she reunites with jack after being banished by locke?

I also think you guys need to stop trying so hard to work out the timeline on this. Time on the island is wonky. It could be wonky enough that there is a big enough gap between the island and the outside world that it made it plausible for Kate to say she had a baby (btw, you don't show right away, so she could say she was several months along before they landed).

I don't know how the Aaron thing is going to go down though. I suspect that Jack feels guilty about something, is is leaving Claire behind? He goes into a drunken downward spiral later we know - is that the guilt too?

If he didn't leave her behind and Claire is actually dead they could be lying about Aaron not being his because someone out there could still be interested in taking Aaron from some reason. Maybe Claire made Kate promise not to reveal he was hers?

Who knows! Can't wait to find out though.

hh--good point that they don't retrieve the bodies--they mentioned that in the first episode. I think Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid and whoever the rest will be have to go along with that scenario presented on the newscast. Thats the guilt that makes Jack pop pills and drink and Hurley to want to go to the sanitarium. When Jack goes to see Hurley I think he asks him if he is going to tell the truth (something to that effect) and even Kate said last night that she had heard Jack spin that story so much even she was starting to believe him (or believe that he believed it himself). It makes sense, I think.

As soon as it was over, I told my husband-its going to be a long time till next Thursday!

Maybe Miles is the "man on their boat," and has been working for Ben all along. And since Kate didn't give them privacy in the basement, they faked that whole conversation about $3.2 million in hopes that Kate would tell Locke.. which of course she did.

It's me again...I have a theory about Aaron. In the beginning, Claire was on on her way to LA to give her unborn baby to another couple. She had already signed legal documents, etc. Right? Anyway...is there a possibility that after she got off the island, Claire didn't want to give the baby up, so she "gave" Aaron to Kate so at least she could still be in his life? Totally crazy concept, but then again, so is LOST. Something still tells me she was left on the island to fend off polar bears and fog monsters, but I thought I'd throw that theory into the ring anyway. Have at it...

Remember in the flash forward that Jack is a drunken mess....doesn't he say if you bring my dad down here and I'm drunker than him then you can operate....or something like that???? Isn't Jacks dad dead??? I'm confused, I've been watching Lost from the start but only discovered this blog last week. I love the blog....it makes me think in so many different directions.

Peanut... yes Jack does say that and the man Hurley sees on the rocking chair in Jacob's cabin is also Christian Shepherd... something to ponder..

Just finished watching last night episode again. While I understand that the O6 are lying about their rescue, most likely to cover up the underwater plane scam. Were they also told to lie about Kate saving everyone, but 2 didn't make, or did Jack just tack that part on in the courtroom to help Kate. I mean after court Kate said I've heard you tell that so many times I think you're starting to believe it. She didn't say what was all that about me being a hero.

Kate's Aaron is 2

If you watch the credits at the end it says Two year old boy

Tracy--I think the whole story is they way they were told to say it, including the part about her being a hero, because, good point, she didn't ask why he threw that in. They have a specific story that for whatever reason, they have to stick to.

am i the only one that's disappointed out how crappy everything turns out for everyone? everyone's flashforward proves that their life went to sh*t! that's kind of a bummer to know that even when they get off the island, they either try to commit suicide, end up working for Ben, go off the deep end, etc. I kinda wish i didn't know that! so what do we have to look forward to really? besides 3 million answers we're not going to get.

since their clearly isn't going to be a happy ending, can you please let Penny and Desmond reunite?!! it's the only love story that has a chance! or any happy ending!!

i'm also curious why Hurley, in his flash forward, alludes to going back to the island for the rest. clearly if there were people still on the island needing to be rescued, the Oceanic 6 would never have lied about being the only survivors. then their friends will never be rescued. i know they are lying for "someone", but that still doesn't seem right. and yes, i know some people probably choose to stay: Locke, Sawyer, and Rose and Bernard (on the island her cancer is cured).

furthermore, Claire would NEVER intentionally separate from her child. she either dies or is forced to be separated.

another thing that bothers me is how in Season 1 & 2, they made such a big deal about all of these people's lives intersecting somehow: Jack and Claire, Sawyer and Jack, Hurley and Libby, Desmond and Libby, Ana Lucia, Locke and Hurley. that's so annoying that they never really went anywhere with that! OR with the numbers!! finish your plot lines!

btw, i feel really bad for the poor little actor boy that you all think looks retarded! of course he wasn't meant to look disabled! it's just a little kid actor with an unfortunate (and unintentional) camera angle. through the years we've had Fat Aaron, Skinny Aaron, and Big-Eared Aaron. they weren't trying to make him look retarded! poor thing! Ari totally thought he was down syndrome too! :(

If there was some kind time anomaly with the island, then people on the island wouldn't be able to have a normal phone conversation with people on the ship.

suze - claire hadn't signed any papers for adoption yet. she was just going to meet the couple in los angeles, if there even was a couple. remember there was some doubt about that, and claire told charlie she thought the psychic knew about the plane crash and there was no couple in LA.

suze - claire hadn't signed any papers for adoption yet. she was just going to meet the couple in los angeles, if there even was a couple. remember there was some doubt about that, and claire told charlie she thought the psychic knew about the plane crash and there was no couple in LA.
brahman - i don't think the time delay would affect radio waves. the episode last week very plainly showed us there was a time delay. it could be that it only affects objects with mass that travel through space, rather than radio frequencies.

Brahman

I was thinking the same! What's up with that?

I don't think the camera angles were unintentional. I think it was a rabbit trail they did on purpose . I think the writers are playing with us... I think we are the sheep. Baaaa...and I think my mind totally played a trick on itself, because I expected the kid to be smaller, and all I could think of was LOOK AT THAT HUGE HEAD!

At first I thought that the child Kate came home to was Clair's son Aaron. I questioned Jack being upset at first about not wanting to see the child. My first thought was some how he has found out that Clair is his half sister. (remember Jacks father went to Australia to talk with Clair, and it came out that Jacks father is also Clair's father). So now he knows Clair is his half sister and he is pissed about his father having and keeping this secret affair his whole life, so he wants nothing to do with Aaron.

But what I question is, how is Aaron 2 years old now? The child spoke. The credits said 2 year old child. Why is Kate in court 2 years after they have been rescued? Is that odd to anyone else? Thats why I am questioning that Kate's Aaron might not be Clair's Aaron. Who knows I could be waaaay off.

I have to disagree I wasn't as disappointed in this episode as others have posted that they were this week. I think every episode is one step closer to finding the mystery of all the questions that I want answers to about this show. I love the suspense I feel of every new mystery that pops up. I like the feeling of "What the Hell???" after every episode each week. And the anticipation until next Thursday. I have yet to not have that feeling. Anyway, thats my thoughts on it. I'm not 100% sure Kate's Aaron is Clair's Aaron. I could be wrong, but...this is what I love about this show. THE SUSPENSE!

i wonder if the son the attorney wanted to put on the witness stand is an older child we have not even seen yet. Kate may just be taking care of aron and her son is actually someone else, a new character, who could actually be put on the witness stand and speak about something he knew, a child aged 7-12yrs.

its possible kate had a child as a teen, maybe impregnated by the abusive step-father she killed? by just showing her saying goodnight to someone she is taking care of, and not showing her real son right now, writers are throwing us off. she did tell jack come and see "us". Us could be 3 people: Kate, her son, and Clair's baby!

and its not unusual in real life for a person to not be prosecuted for killing a man abusing kate's mother. and this would be why she doesn't want mother to see her son, the mother knows baby is step fathers child. (i know i read too many newspaper stories but still think kate's son is a character not shown yet)Rember the attorney wanted very badly to bring "son" to courtroom, maybe to show Kate was abused and killed to stop the continuing abuse.

Just throwing this out there...just in case anyone forgot. Claire still has her aunt in Australia (or did I miss something with her? I know Claire's mom died and that's how she met Christian)

But that's for the ones saying who could come and claim themselves as family for Claire...

and also a grade school/jr. high child who is a little older than a baby is someone whom you would want to keep from watching too much tv.

maybe in another episode they show her, after greeting clair's baby, call or visit where her real son has been while she is in jail/on trial, maybe just in the next room. i remember the first pilot, we only see Locke standing up like everyone else. much later do we see more of the story, that he was in a wheelchair prior to the crash.

Aaron called Kate Mom when he saw her...

hello. i am new to making up theories about lost but how about this one:
from the previous episode we find out that saiyed is working for ben. ben obviously has something or someone that is keeping saiyed under his employment. is there a possibility that ben is holding some of the other oceanic survivors hostage or has some form of controll over them. obviously there are people out to get the survivors. maybe claire is being held somewhere and that is why kate has aaron. just a thought. i really think that aaron is kate's biological child though. probably sawyers. this is why jack does not want to see him. kate wants jack to accept him because she loves aaron.

I just had an epiphany!!! The person in the coffin is Walt...I'll bet Walt and Michael were the other two 'survivors' I bet Micheal dies and Walt is Oceanic's 6th survivor....so that's Jack, Hurley, Kate, Sayid, Aaron and Walt....did I miss someone out?? Ben's off the island but not a member of Oceanic so he doesn't count...I bet it's walt....

Sorry, meant to say this...Lauren I have NO idea who you are but you popped into my head when I saw a shirtless Sawyer on the screen....Kate's an idiot!! Sawyer is sooo hot...I wanted to name my last baby Sawyer but my hubby wouldn't let me...hee hee

velvet - interesting theory, but the man kate killed was her biological father, she was just raised to believe he was her step-father. and if she had a son by him, that would be incest, and just truly awful. i don't think that kate has another (older) child, and even if she did, it would be the dad she killed. ew.

yeah, claire's aunt is alive, but for all she knows, claire is dead, and she would assume her unborn baby died with her. so if kate tells everyone that the baby is hers, or if the identity of his real mother never really got out, the aunt would have no reason to come forward. and we never actually see the aunt with claire while she's pregnant. we're just assuming that she knew. the aunt didn't really seem that fond of claire when they were in the hospital room with the mom, so maybe she didn't know about the pregnancy, or if she did, maybe she didn't care when she found out the baby survived. lots of possibilities there.

How could she have gotten custody of Aaron? What about his father? Or at the very least Claire's aunt, who we know Claire was with just a few days before the plane crash? Plus the kid calls Kate "Mommy." I think it's pretty obvious Kate is passing him off as hers.

Jack claimed that "only 6 survived the crash" while on the stand, but he didn't specify WHICH crash--could he be REALLY talking about a helicopter that was taking a group of 8 off the island, Claire being one of the two who did not make it due to some action of Jack's (hence, feeling too guilty to see the baby?)? Perhaps the other survivors are still on the island in some time-warp, the bad guys are trying to get to them but so are the O6? Hmmm....

From now on I'm reading the comments on this site. I only read the first 15 or so, and can already tell you they are WAY more intelligent than the people who comment on TMZ.

Okay... Maybe I have missed something... But....

Are we all trying to figure the timeline because we ASSUME that what we are seeing take place on the island right now is the matter in which the O6 are rescued? Maybe this group, this helicopter, this freighter is not the point in which they leave the island. Perhaps it is yet to come?

yeah, last week i read some of the comments on tmz, and a couple said "i don't watch this show" or "i tried to watch, but it sucks" - come on - if you don't watch the show, why bother reading the entry, and why bother posting about it? i discovered this diary on tmz (last february or march), but when daniel included a link to this forum, i switched over right away.

hh - i forgot how their relationship was (claire and her aunt) thanks for that clear up.

well everyone have a good weekend. i wont be back till sunday night!

I think that we need to look for the most simple answers to some of the most simple questions. Save the really "out-there" theories for more important stuff, like why all of this is happening. The writers have played with our minds so much that we've begun to think everything is something that it's not. Is there some crazy shit happening on this island as well as away from the island? Yes. Is it all because Lord Zuchron from the Intergalactic Federation of Frog People is controlling everything? Most likely not.

breakfast...locke said to ben, "these are the last 2 eggs" 1. why give them to ben?
starve the jerk i say. oh and don't freak and smash such a nice breakfast in a rage! 2. if they were the last 2 eggs, then why did locke kill a chicken for dinner? the eggtown seems awfully quiet, not like real islands with lots of wild chickens running around. i know this island is special, but even so, seems like locke is not being a smart leader if he is being so careless with the food supply. oh hey, that seems like a clue....eggs, but no new chickens to make more eggs?.
just like the women on the island! they can make the babies/eggs but they never make it or whatever... ?????

oops...i meant that the women like the chickens cant complete the life cycle?
or something like that...

anyone notice how last week's episode just reached 349 posts, and this one is already at 300 (301, with this one). and people say last week's episode was better! (i kind of agree) but this one is generating more discussion on here it seems.

ok, someone posted before mine, which would make my last post 302, and this one 303 - but my point remains the same!

wow - i totally messed that up, the last episode only has 328. where oh where did i get 349? hmmm

BTW - the book that Sawyer was reading was "The Invention of Morel" by Adolfo Bioy Casares . . .

Perhaps Jack is supposed to be the flashfoward father of Aaron, seeing as how the DA new to ask Jack if he was still in love with Kate...

"Jorge Luis Borges declared The Invention of Morel a masterpiece of plotting, comparable to The Turn of The Screw and Journey to the Center of the Earth. Set on a mysterious island, Bioy's novella is a story of suspense and exploration, as well as a wonderfully unlikely romance, in which every detail is at once crystal clear and deeply mysterious." Amazon.com

LIT, hh and Gerri love your posts. I can't believe how much time i've spent on this site today.

So I just rewatched eggtown and have lots of ideas but will only mention one small thing - I think the robots behind "Aaron's" bed are a little nod to JJ Abrams (sp?) "Bad Robot" production company (or whatever the technical term is). It shows up right after the lost "boom" at the end of the show. On a side note, did that used to scare anyone else when they rewatched an early episode at 3AM on DVD? Something about the little robot running around in the grass is a little freaky. I don't think they mean anything else.

seabee, thanks. I had been wondering what that was.

A few things that I noticed when I watched this episode again after a few cocktails.

1. I mentioned the book that Locke gave to Ben was VALIS, but I didn't think to look at the book that Sawyer was reading. That one was The Invention of Morel, which basically is about seeing a guy seeing imaginary people. For some reason, I'm starting to feel that some of the things that are thrown in, i.e. books, are sort of Red Herings, meant to pay homage to us devoted fans and our wacky theories. They may be meant to distract us and make us dream up stories that take us further from the truth.

Of course, there's always the possibility that these things have A LOT to do with the development and mystery of the show. I don't really know. I admit that most of these things (like book, song, and film titles) usually relate to strange occurances on the island. There are just so many of these things, that I am led to believe that we're on an endless search.

2. I mentioned earlier about Daniel and Charlotte with the cards on the beach, how it seemed like Daniel was trying to use the island to fix his mind, like he's kind of messed up mentally, and he's hoping for the island to heal him. Well, after watching this episode again, Charlotte says, "Time. OK, tell me, what do you REMEMBER." So, obviously, he's not trying to use "psychic" powers. He's seen the cards, they were flipped over, time passed, and now he's playing a memory game. He's trying to re-train his brain. Why? Well, we'l find out soon, I'm sure.

3. I'm pretty sure that Kate's not pregnent when she tells Sawyer that she's not pregnant. From her comments, it's clear that she knows for sure that she's not pregnant, i.e. menstration. I really, really don't think that she was "testing" Sawyer for his reaction. She seemed genuine in her comments.

4. Kate REALLY doesn't want to leave California. She REALLY doesn't want to go back to the island. That's why she jumps so eagerly on the plea deal with 10 years probabtion. She's hoping it will help her to stick to her guns and stay put. I don't feel like the DA is working for anyone, other than the state.

5. Three-toed Robots do not equal four-toed statues.

6. Kate's trial was in California. She was being prosecuted by a District Attorney. Isn't a DA a local or state prosecutor? Aren't her crimes Federal? Shouldn't she be prosecuted by a United States Attorney, instead of a DA? The majority of her crimes (murder, arson, bank robbery), did not occur in CA.

Really, I don't think the trial thing has anything to do with the story, but it bugs me a little that these guys take so much time to get everything just right, and then slip on a few details. I'm particularly pissed at the 1st Asst. Camera person/Focus Puller, because there were so many damn out-of-focus close-ups it was killing me! Maybe not noticable on a regular TV, but in HD, that stuffs a huge killer for me. I work in the film/tv biz and stuggle to find work sometimes. Give me a job like that, and I promise you, no focus problems...ever!

Okay, I'm done now with the longest...post...ever!!!

And like 300 people posted Sawyers book while I typed that last message. Sorry.

hh-yeah, I'm not sure what to make of more people posting on this episode. Maybe people are bored!

last post tonight - Ladies, were you loving Kate's makeup? I sure was. My sister and I couldn't stop commenting on the lipgloss. I know many of you purists will get mad at me for mentioning something totally unrelated to the plot, but we've seen everyone all dirty and sweaty for so long that it was a nice change.

no leah, i totally agree with you! i even told my husband, it's amazing what a shower and some good makeup does for kate! i was also loving her clothes. it's just so not the kate we know.
oh, and i think your the one who complemented my post today - so thanks!

larry - i think i agree with everything you said.

JUST throwin it out there... but... Way back when, didn't Ben have Kate get all cleaned up for a private little "lunch" or somethin? And didn't she come back to Sawyer and their cages all shook up and not wanting to talk about it? Then she really wanted to be with Sawyer to perhaps "use" him to replace those horrid earlier memories with much more pleasant ones? Could Aaron be (perish the thought!) Ben's?

What if Miles is Ben's man on the boat? Maybe Miles is trying to extort $ from Ben because Miles knows Ben's secrets and could easily report them back to the people on the freighter. This would also explain why Ben knew everything about Charlotte. Miles has somehow been able to communicate information about the freighter's crew to Ben.

My mind is LOST in thought. So much rattling around in there. Just a few observations about Miles. Sharp, tight-lipped, not exactly a team player, sarcastic, doesn't want you to know more about him than he does about you, finds Faraday annoying. The meeting with Ben - I believe that they were communicating in code. In one week could they be leaving the island to the coordinates 3.2? And his sarcastic remark to Hurley when Hurley asked are you? to the remark that he was there to kill them. He turns around and answers, "Not Yet! I found that to be a little creepy. Locke obviously sees Miles as a threat. And as far as Locke goes, his greed for power has corrupted him. Example, first season playing backgammon, he was white, this time setting up the game he was black. He made a speech to Walt at the time which I took as white = good, black = evil. Early in season one Locke seems to be one with the island "I have looked into the eye of this island and it is beautiful"! After that when Jack of gone looking for the "ghost of his father", Kate and Sayid want to look for Jack, but Locke tells them they need to stay on the beach to watch the losties, "besides, I know where to find him"! When he rescues Jack, Jack is hanging from a vine over the side of a cliff. Never yelled, just hanging on for dear life. All of a sudden Locke's hand reaches down for him. Alright, so Locke is an expert tracker. But Jack was running all over the place, I don't see how that could have been tracked. Locke obviously has some powers he didn't have before meeting with the 'eye of the island'. We've been lead to believe that Locke had a sense that he knew what he was doing. Now Locke is struggling. Why? Has he come to rely on Jacob rather that himself?

Another observation - We know that Faraday seems to have an emotional attachment to Flight 815, as does Frank L. (I don't think they are Darmah). Charlotte on the other hand is fascinated by Darmah, ie. the polar bear. But what about Miles? I agree with Kristen J, I think he is Ben's mole.

I noticed on the opening credits Harold Perrineau's name--the actor who plays Michael. I wonder if that means that we will be seeing him soon. Does anybody know about this?

DL: Yes, I'm wondering about that as well? But a part of me still thinks that Claire's Aaron is the child Kate is calling her own.

I also think that everyone is still alive back on the island for two reasons. The flash back of messed up Jack, obviously after Kates trial, when he is telling her they must go back. And then the 'ghost' of Charlie that comes to Hurley at the mental hospital and tells him pretty much the same thing. Charlie would want Claire rescued and reunited with Aaron.

One last thing. The Oceanic 6 only surviors of the 8. Recall the couple, not sure what year, that came out of nowhere with the spider that bit them and everyone thought they were dead? Only turns out they were just temporarily paralyzed and buried alive? Could they be the two that didn't 'survive the crash'?

Hi everyone. Simple question: About Aaron - does anyone think it's kind of odd the way both Kate and Jack have between themselves often been referring to cute little Aaron as just "Him"? "Him" sounds so detached and almost semi-fearful/awed. Jack's reluctance to see Aaron seems to be due to distaste or dread that could be more than just not loving the idea of seeing Kate's kid by another man. Maybe Aaron is alot more than just the little boy possibly imbued with special island -given powers. Maybe someone has a way to kind of take possession of Aaron and in a sense inhabit the little boy's body? In a diabolical and vaguely Turn of the Screw-ish sense. Haven't worked out this thought so far as to the "why" part. Also, isnt it odd the way Aaron's bedroom is decorated? No pictures of happy cute things like puppies and cartoons by his bed/crib.

Sadie, I like your idea on the cards refelecting individual characters. I wondered if the Queen of Diamonds is Kate.
I do think the six of clubs represents the Oceanic 6.

Llama, I think that Kate and Jack have been refering to Aaron as "him" because the writers wanted to conceal his identity until the very end of the episode. I don't think it would have had the same impact if throughout the show they were saying his name, KWIM ;-)

SPOILER for those of you who havent already heard the interviews and what not...

michael will be back, its been confirmed by him, the writers, everyone...we just dont know "how" yet and i believe its epispode 7 or 8 where we have a michalcentric episode.

OK, I'm having a thought here..Sun asked Kate if she ever took a pregnancy test, to which Kate said yes. I think that Kate already had Aaron BEFORE the plane crashed and someone was watching him for her because she was on the run. That is also why she didn't want to hold Claire's Aaron...guilt. Kate looked at Claire funny when she said something about 'you should try it sometime' about being a mother. Both babies being named Aaron was just a coincidence. This would also explain why Kate's Aaron is a toddler, not a little baby. Any thoughts?

Okay everyone. I can easily explain how Kate could pass Aaron off as her own. She could just tell people that she got pregnant on the island, and Aaron is so old because of the time differnce bit. And obviously the flashfoward was a few years in the future. I mean, the kid's a toddler for gods sake.

hi. well, i'm one of the ones who thinks kate had a baby before the crash but some of my theory written way up above i agree may be off track.

podcasts/interviews are posted after some shows and the writers were asked in the most recent one: why do you list so&so on the actor credits, you give things away, etc. writers said they are contractually bound to list names of actors in the credits, union/assn rules however you call it. even listing actors not appearing on that episode but part of the show.

i just enjoy reading everyone's thoughts, its all for fun, just like a good mystery novel.

Kate is TOTALLY passing Aaron off as her own. Her mother specifically asks to see her grandson. I think Claire is either dead or still on the island along with other survivors. I do believe in Hurley's flash forward he mentions "going back for them." I don't know why but I think only certain people were allowed to leave and the they are scared to tell the truth. I'm sorry that someone spoiled the ending of this episode for you b/c even though I figured out what was going on 1/2 way through, the ending still gave me the ultimate creeps!

I'm totally new to this post, but I'vve got to say, it's great. Now, all of your guys therories are WAY better than mine. I immidiately thought of Sawyer when I saw Kate's Aaron. maybe she named her son with sawyer after claire's aaron because she felt guitly, or she felt something towards him, like she had to do something for him for some reason. Also, Lostpedia credits Kate's aaron as Claire's aaron.

I'm new to the blog, I have to say I've enjoyed it so far.
I'm not sure if it has been touched upon before, I was curious to see if anyone has noticed the references to Alice in Wonderland.
Such as "The white rabbit" "Through the looking glass" and recently Daniel's playing cards. I'm sure I've missed several but it has led me to wonder how much the writers are influenced by the book and the genre of literary nonsense it was written in.

Julie, I've been wondering the same thing. Reason Kate reacted the way she did about Claire's Aaron on island because she has a baby by the same name. Something to think about.

Another thing I thought of but forgot to post is that Ben is in the coffin. He has been the one controlling the 6 which is why when Jack learns of his death he calls Kate to meet him telling her they have to go back to the island now. I think to rescue the ones that had been left.

Maybe the reason the DA tells Kate that she can't leave the state for 10 years is because Kate, like the other Oceanic 6, received the golden airline ticket so she can fly anywhere at anytime. The DA knows this and so she made the not leaving the state a stipulation in Kate's release.

Has anyone mentioned the box of red wine? I know Sawyer poured it for Kate, but did she drink it? If she didn't, maybe she is pregnant?

a couple of things I noticed while re-watching the episode...
- Kate drank the wine and the coffee at the beginning (which could have been decaf)
- Daniel is playing a memory game- "Remember what you saw?"
- Kate calls Aaron "The baby" in front of Jack in the garage and "My son" in front of her lawyer, maybe because Jack knows it is not her son
Just a few small things I noticed.

Does anyone remember on Season 3
D.O.C. episode when Juliet says something like "Austin is pregnant??"

Does anyone remember on Season 3
D.O.C. episode when Juliet says something like "Austen is pregnant??"

i also was just re-watching eggtown and at the end during the credits, the child actor, William Blanchette, is listed as "two year old child". so there's his age.

also interesting that he was not listed in credits as "Aaron" (lots of bloggers feel they heard Kate call him Eric, inspite of the close-captioned feed written as Aaron).

and since the show is schedule to air thru 2010, i think that airport runway scene where jack says to kate we have to go back occurs two years after the trial/the eggtown episode. so a 4-5 yr child i guess would be wondering where she is.

Just wanted to comment on all the talk of Locke's personality change-going from a "nobody/loser"(when he came to the island) to a "religious-island lover"(know it all, one w/nature) to a "evil dictator/leader"(struggling between faith and science)...look @ Jack, same scenario/ just opposite-"normal/succesful{a doctor},good conscience", to a "leader/savior"(working for the people on the island) to a "evil person" (willing to shoot someone in the face {Locke} because he wrecked Jack's chance (not everyone else's, is his mind) to get off the island. I think you can take almost anyone and do the same theory. I think the writers are making Locke look this way for a reason-1st-we feel sorry for him. 2nd-we applaud him. 3rd-we are hating him. They are playing on human nature and what "you" would do, or "how" you would change to get "yourself" saved! Hence the title "Lost", everyone of the losties, is going through a journey to "find" themselves (because they are LOST, in more ways then the island!) and the rest of it...is just a very fun ride for us!! I think something really-really bad happens, that only 8 are able to get off the island, (2 die, I guess)and @ the time the ones who do get off, don't give a damm about the rest they left behind. They just want to save themselves, and it comes back to haunt them!! Because, now they can not get back,and they can not "save" themselves from being LOST forever!!

ok now i am totally hooked on all your ideas!! thanks.
just a funny thing i read...
they were in flight for 6 hours of the 13 to get from Aus. to LA. when they lost radio contact and then 2 hours until it crashed. that is 6 and 2 = 8 . may be obvious but they seem to repeat simple details like this..Oceanic 6, 2 dead, 8 rescued by Kate, 6 of spades/clubs i forget...

kate took a pregnancy test when she was married to the cop. it was negative - she was not pregnant - but it scared her. she then told him the truth about who she was and she left him. but we have no real reason to believe she ever had a baby before.
and i thought that aaron's room looked like a normal two-year-old's room. he's not really a baby anymore, so i'm not surprised that there wasn't any cute cuddly baby stuff.
i think that kate had that weird look on her face when talking to claire because she knew that she had a pregnancy scare (especially after juliette was sent to find out if she was also pregnant, but she never collected a sample to find out), and she looks a little disappointed and a little freaked out. but it didn't seem to me like she was thinking about a baby she already had. the only conclusion i drew from that scene was that kate would end up with aaron at the end of the episode.

The Kate/Aaron twist can go a million ways, but if we examine the LAWYERS INTEREST in the child, it also goes in other directions...

I'm dying to know what we'll discover the 'public' was told about Aaron when the Oceanic 6 were rescued. Since they are such celebrities with the media, a child showing up with rescued Kate (a child NOT listed on the manifest!)would be a big shocker. It's a child that reporters would consider a miracle -- because it was born AFTER the crash -- again, since it wasn't on the manifest listing. Yes, there had been children on the plane (why was that storyline dropped I wonder? remember how The Others took them...), but the children that were listed on the manifest would have relatives stepping up to claim them.

This would be interesting to a reporter. Jack's story on the stand is basically that 'eight originally made it out of the crash, Kate couldn't assist in saving two of them, and thus we have only 6 "rescued" Oceanic members'. So to fit with the scripted story that the "O6" are repeating, Aaron had to have been from either the 'two dead' survivors...or Kate. If the Oceanic 6 told rescuers that Aaron is the child of one of the two dead, then there would be great interest in this! There would be a curiosity on WHEN he was born in correlation to his mother's death. Because obviously, if he was unborn to someone who died quickly after making it out of the crash, an emergency c-section would have needed done. Otherwise the child would have died with its mother. (But we really don't know exactly how long those 'other two' lived in Jack's version of their plight...that's the stickler!) Kate assisting a pregnant dying woman with the birth of a child would make for a GREAT character example...thus why the lawyer might have wanted to put the child on the stand. If the Oceanic 6 are trying to pass Aaron off as Kate's, then it also makes her a HUGE hero...because in Jack's description of her heroic efforts, she'd have been doing that while pregnant. Pretty amazing that a pregnant woman managed to do all this.

This works IF we are following a true time line of 90 days on the island (or whatever it is at this point) in correlation to whatever story the Oceanic 6 are sticking to.

The media loves these six -- and Aaron being rescued with the group would have been a big deal. Big enough for the lawyer to want to use him on the stand.

The only other reason a lawyer could want him is if he's the child/result of her stepfather raping her. That would give a jury sympathy too...

just throwing this out there...dont forget the man she killed wasnt her step father...it was her real father...

Love this board. First time poster. Now, this might be totally irrelevant and I would not even have thought of it until reading all the comments here on how the Ben/Miles conversation was code for something... on next week's previews they are showing a close up of the helicopter's instrument with the needle pointing to 30.5 - the next number you see is 32... could this have anything to do with the $3.2 mill they discussed? Is it the course to stick to in order to get off the island? Is this Mile's way of warning/informing Ben that somebody's trying to leave the island?

I haven't had time to read all of the comments, but here goes ...
(1) Aaron (son of Kate) looked perfectly normal to me.
(2) I actually didn't believe Kate when she said that she wasn't pregnant. Remember, Sawyer asked her what she wanted to go back to (in light of pending charges against her). The easy answer is that women who get pregnant on the island all die before giving birth. That would be one powerful incentive to leave.
(3) So Claire's Aaron or another Aaron? Dunno.
(4) I think Kate asking Miles if he knew who she was is going to turn out to be key. Are we sure that these scenes that we're seeing are *really* flash forwards? What if they're really flashbacks, with the Oceanic 6 having left the island (where time is slower), done the things we've seen, then returned, as Jack stated that they must. What Kate would be asking then is what time did you come from Miles; how much time passed here while I was gone? Miles didn't know she had been acquitted, establishing a time.

kiki - yeah, i noticed the needle pointing to 32 on the preview, too. and, if i remember correctly, 32 is the bearing that ben gave michael when he and walt left the island. to me, that is more than coincidental. add the 3.2 mil, and i'm really curios if the writers want us to believe it's coincidental, or not. and ben really highlights that number when he says, why 3.2? why not 3.3 or 3.4? i found that really odd, and a little too purposeful. plus everything ben says seems to be duplicitous.

"Kate is reluctant to take care of Aaron for Claire. Foreshadow much?"

Totally - that scene gave away the ending completely. They should have left it out - then the ending might have been a little more exciting.

I was laughing about, while Kate was going up the stairs to Aaron's room -- 'If that baby looks like Ben...with bug eyes and little glasses...and a white vest'
Now THAT would have been a big reveal.
;-)

I wasn't as disappointed by the episode as you were - I thought there were some really key interactions between people.

But seriously - how can you call Locke the Man when he lost it AGAIN and let Ben know he got to him?!

Arrghhh that makes me crazy. Yes Ben would be aggravating as hell to deal with - since he can always cut straight into your heart (ooh he's good) but for the love of all that's holy: do not let him know he got to you! Smash those dishes somewhere else - not two paces from his door.

Oh my god. That was so pathetic -- exactly the same as in the hatch. No John, you're not evolving too well.

His punishment of Miles was way over the top to compensate and I think there are going to be major repurcussions for that.

Also -- I am hoping he is the new King of the Psych Out (rabbit pace maker anyone?) and knows that thing is a dud because that is seriously disturbed.

I totally agree with you about Jack's reluctance to see Aaron -- Jack, Jack, Jack.

That scene is one of the better scenes in the series - very moving.

I could go on for pages here but I'll spare you! And yes - Eggtown is a silly and embarassing name. But at least we didn't choose it!

Did anyone ever think that maybe the baby is somehow Jack's. I was curious why the DA would ask Jack that one question, If he loved her. How would anyone from the real world know anything about Jack and Kate's affairs while on the island, unless everyone knew Kate had a baby fathered by, or supposedly fathered by Jack.

I have been wondering for days about why the episode was named Eggtown. Obviously John prepared the last two eggs for Ben and they're in the 'town' (barracks) where there are fresh eggs, but what if Eggtown refers to the saying 'egg on your face' (?) Doesn't that mean that you've been caught in the act, you've been found out?

Since John is the one preparing the eggs, could he have 'egg on his face' ie: it is shown quite obviously that he doesn't have a clue what he's doing and is "more lost than ever"-Ben... He is trying to appear in control, but its more than obvious that he has no idea what he's doing...

Ideas?

I am repeating something I said earlier, as far as Locke goes. His greed for power appears to have corrupted him. Example, first season playing backgammon, he was white, this time setting up the game he was black. He made a speech to Walt at the time which I took as white = good, black = evil. Early in season one Locke seems to be one with the island "I have looked into the eye of this island and it is beautiful"! We've been lead to believe that Locke had a sense that he knew what he was doing. Now Locke is struggling. Why? Has he come to rely on Jacob rather that himself?

I just started watching Lost three months ago. I watched all previous episodes on the ABC website, and was hooked from the start. What a great show! I was excited to have found your blog this morning, and would like to chime in on the latest episode.

The whole Kate & Aaron scenario intrigues me the most about this last episode.

I do believe Aaron has Downs or a similar chromosomal syndrome. There is an image of the child on Lostpedia in the "Aaron_Littleton" entry. I'll try to link it:
http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Aaron-ff.jpg

It certainly looks to me that this little boy has the tell-tale epicanthal folds on his eyes. And though he's laying on a pillow in this image, his ears appear to have a very common shape consistent with Downs' and other chromosomal syndromes. The bridge of his nose also somewhat fits, but in a child of that age it is hard to tell. If this child has a chromosomal syndrome, and again this is just my opinion, then the facial signs are not as pronounced as some of the little ones I have seen.

But I really believe this is the case. After all, how would an argument for bringing Kate's child into court to somehow attest to her current status as a "noble" and/or changed woman would work at all UNLESS that child were special needs?

Is he Claire's Aaron? I went back & forth on this for a while (struggling with the time line concerning gestation and rescue date), but I think he is.

I think if he were Kate's bio child, she would sacrifice anything to bring him back to the island so his syndrome would be cured. Sure, Kate seems to love the child immensely, but Kate is also a very selfish person. And she seemed to snatch up the prosecutor's offer like white on rice- even gave the reason for not trying to flee because (paraphrased)"I'm not going anywhere, I have a child." Of course, that's all based upon my straw man of Aaron having a chromosomal syndrome at all. :)

This is why I struggled with the timing: If Aaron IS Kate's bio child (with Sawyer or?) and she named him after Claire's baby... that would make sense, too. If the child is 2, as he was designated in the *closing* credits of the episode and as he physically appears, and the flash-forward scenes are 3 years in the future from the crash...?

Kate's mother would also know it is her bio grandson and want to meet him. After all, a "world famous" survivor who is said to be so recognizable would have been in the news often and her pregnancy would have been news, too.

But I think there are some great twists in store for us, and I'm going to stick with Aaron as being Claire's son. :D

I just had a chance to watch this episode, and I just have to say: I can't get over the fact that at every pelvic exam Kate has for the rest of her life, the OB-GYN is going to know that she's never given birth. But this is why I have to put on my Suspension of Disbelief glasses for Lost sometimes.

Also, I am really turned off by Locke lately. Much too dictatorial. It better pay off.

Christy, I'm sorry, but your CERTAINTY of the little boy's Down Syndrome or other Chromosomal abnormality made me cringe. I just feel sorry for his parents if they read any of the comments sugesting there is something wrong with him. He looks like a perfectly cute, NORMAL, little guy. I posted a link to the same picture earlier as proof that there was nothing wrong with him, and to put this silly speculation to rest. Either you've not been around children with chromosomal abnormalities yourself, or you're just grasping at straws to convince yourself of your theory.

As to why the lawyer wanted him in the courtroom it makes perfect sense to me. Since she claimed him to be her son (whether he actually is or not, is not relevant to this), the jury would likely consider the needs of the child before making their judgement. Since Kate's mother has only "6 months to live", and Kate has no other known surviving family, what would happen to the child if she were in prison? The lawyer wanted to use the child to evoke sympathy. She's a changed woman, a hero, a mother of a young child that would be orphaned if she was in jail, yada, yada, yada.

I've read a lot of debate about Aaron's age, etc. Some people saying he's too young to be Kate's others saying the opposite. I gather that everyone assumes the fraighter will rescue them (i.e. roughly 100 days after the original crash). Why? We don't know exactly how long after the crash the ff was, nor do we know how long after the crash they were actually rescued! There are just too many variables to conclude whether Aaron is Kate's or Claire's and his age (given all of the time difference stuff, etc.) is a poor indicator.

aaron is 2. the writers of the show have identified him in the closing credits of the show as "two year old boy".

but i agree we have to stop calling the actor Down's. shot was too brief and unfocused. kids come in all shapes and sizes anyway

I thought the line by Ben to Miles, "Why 3.2? Why not 3.3 or 3.4?" was the most hysterical thing I'd ever heard. Seriously, I paused the show with the DVR and I was laughing so hard. It was just the way he said it I think, so bluntly and sarcastically, but at the same time seriously. I don't know, I was busting.

I agree with Lauren that I feel terrible for this poor kid. I skip over comments that call him retarded or say he has Down Syndrome. That's so messed up. He looks fine (maybe a bit of a big head, but he's like 2, it happens). Such nitpickers trying to make up storylines.

I guess I understand why all these comments are so focused on Kate and the baby because of the nature of the episode, but it just seemed so irrelevant to me. So Kate has Aaron (And by the way it was revealed we were definitely meant to believe that it is Claire's son). Who cares. Obviously there is speculation and yet ANOTHER question to be answered to due this (what happened to Claire...blah blah blah), but there were so many other things going on more relevant to bigger plot.

Who is Ben, and what is he capable of? Why would Miles be willing to make it seem like Ben is "already dead" for $3.2 mil, assumong that is not some code. Who is Miles working for (Abbadon? someone else, the Economist perhaps?) What does Daniel F's memory being spotty have to do with everything? What information can Locker get from Miles (thanks to his grenade breakfast), and what will it reveal? Why is Jacob missing all of a sudden? Just so much better stuff than, oooooohhh Kate has Aaron! Whatever.

As far as the title goes, Eggtown, there is a good entry on Lostpedia explaining it. Basically it has to do with old traveling salesmen and bartering, and if you went to a town where you were forced to take an egg in exchange for something you were a sucker. A lot to do with the deals made in the episode, like with Kate and Sawyer, Kate and the DA, etc...

Damn...a lot of typos in my post. Sorry.
*answered due to
*assuming
*Locke

I agree, forget the Kate and Aaron stuff, there are more important questions to answer as you have pointed out. For some reason it struck me as odd that Miles upon seeing the swingsets, commented, what do they have a daycare?

I, too, thought that the title was just because of the 2 eggs that Locke mankes for Benry in the beginning, but alas I was wrong...

Reason for the Eggtown title (from Lostpedia):

Episode Name
Egg-town is a pejorative term that refers to the days of bartering, during the 1800s. A traveling salesman would have to barter his candy or tobacco or shoelaces for different commodities. A poor exchange would be for eggs, a relatively common item that is also highly perishable. Nobody wants to trade for eggs from a traveling salesman, because they have their own, so the salesman who accepted an egg in exchange was forced to accept a bad deal. Salesmen would use the term like "If I were you, I would stay away from Bogart. That's an egg-town." Of course, the lack of trust among salesmen was also high, and it was likely that one salesman would lie to another about the quality of a town's customers to keep them for himself. Invariably, the second salesman ventures into Bogart only to find it is truly an egg-town. He is either persuaded to not visit a town that has good customers or is tricked into visiting a town that can only offer eggs. In either case, the term "egg-town" represents a deal with undesirable outcomes. [source needed]

References in this episode include:

Locke's inability to makes any progress with the interrogation of Ben or Miles.
The deal Kate made. She is now forbidden to leave the state for any reason for at least ten years, and thus can't legally go back to the Island.
The barracks turn out to be Egg-town for Miles, as he tries to extort 3.2 million dollars from Ben and ends up with a grenade in his mouth instead.
The episode starts with literal eggs: Locke preparing two fried eggs for Ben's breakfast. He tells Ben those are the last two eggs.
Kate's preoccupation with the chance that she might be pregnant, and the continuing references to her child in the episode's flashforwards.

Hot for Sayid,

I in no way claimed any CERTAINTY (as you put it) about this child having Downs. Please go back and read my comment again. It is my opinion, and it "looks to me" as if he does.

And yes, I work with children who have many different chromosomal syndromes 4 days/week at Childrens Hospital, Boston. I have for 12 years. I know what I see in that screen-shot picture and I am able to put my big pants on and say it like it is. Apparently, you are not.

Yeesh, I never said the actor child wasn't cute. WTH? So sorry I didn't see your earlier post with the same picture, but now that you claim this- isn't it interesting how you would offer it as "proof" that he is normal? So, how many special needs toddlers do you work with every day?

I think your attitude is rather hostile. However, If you care to agree to disagree that would be fine with me. If not, then do yourself a favor and read my comment again before you jump down my throat. Again.

And wait until the series plays out. As I wrote- Those were my OPINIONS!

I, too, thought that the title was just because of the 2 eggs that Locke mankes for Benry in the beginning, but alas I was wrong...

Reason for the Eggtown title (from Lostpedia):

Episode Name
Egg-town is a pejorative term that refers to the days of bartering, during the 1800s. A traveling salesman would have to barter his candy or tobacco or shoelaces for different commodities. A poor exchange would be for eggs, a relatively common item that is also highly perishable. Nobody wants to trade for eggs from a traveling salesman, because they have their own, so the salesman who accepted an egg in exchange was forced to accept a bad deal. Salesmen would use the term like "If I were you, I would stay away from Bogart. That's an egg-town." Of course, the lack of trust among salesmen was also high, and it was likely that one salesman would lie to another about the quality of a town's customers to keep them for himself. Invariably, the second salesman ventures into Bogart only to find it is truly an egg-town. He is either persuaded to not visit a town that has good customers or is tricked into visiting a town that can only offer eggs. In either case, the term "egg-town" represents a deal with undesirable outcomes. [source needed]

References in this episode include:

Locke's inability to makes any progress with the interrogation of Ben or Miles.
The deal Kate made. She is now forbidden to leave the state for any reason for at least ten years, and thus can't legally go back to the Island.
The barracks turn out to be Egg-town for Miles, as he tries to extort 3.2 million dollars from Ben and ends up with a grenade in his mouth instead.
The episode starts with literal eggs: Locke preparing two fried eggs for Ben's breakfast. He tells Ben those are the last two eggs.
Kate's preoccupation with the chance that she might be pregnant, and the continuing references to her child in the episode's flashforwards.

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Also, everyone who is saying that jack won't see Aaron b/c he found out that Claire is his sister and he's mad, please stop with that theory - its ridiculous. You would think that if Jack found out that Claire was his sister and she's dead or whatever the reason is that Kate has Aaron (if that's the same Aaron), then he would want to be with Aaron and be close to him. If Jack would be mad at anyone it would be at Christian, not Claire or certainly not Aaron. Just my 2 cents.

Claire was taken to that Medical facility and do we really know what happened there.....all of this could be connected somehow with Aaron. Something happens where he has some kind of powers. I saw the earlier post quoted about the book given to Ben

"A coterie of religious seekers forms to explore the revelatory visions of one Horselover Fat; a semi-autobiographical dialog of PKD. The groups hermeneutical research leads to a rock musician's estate (Charlie maybe?) where they confront the Messiah: a two-year old named Sophia. She confirms their suspicions that an ancient, mechanical intelligence orbiting the earth has been guiding their discoveries.which is about a being that controls the Earth from an orbit around the planet. The people of Earth think it is God.

Could it be it was changed from a two 2 year old girl to a boy. (Aaron) who looks about 2 in the flash forward.

Aaron could be one of the oceanic 6 even though this is disputed since he was born on the island but "if" life is considered at conception then he would be considered a survivor.

The Bible states:
Aaron was the son of Jochebed (Joshua????) and Amram of the tribe of Levi, brother of Moses and Miriam, forebear and founder of the Israelite priesthood. Because Moses stuttered, Aaron served as a spokesman before both the Pharaoh and the Israelites. Aaron was empowered by God to cast his staff to the ground where it turned into a serpent before Pharaoh's eyes.

Several of the ten plagues were instigated by Aaron wielding the staff. Aaron's position was officially established when God ordered Moses to consecrate him and his sons as priests. Aaron and his sons, Eleazar and Ithamar, officiated at Moses' side.
Like Moses, Aaron was not allowed to enter the promised land. Aaron died on Mount Hor , at age 123, near the Edom border, and his son, Eleazar, became the priest.

Could this Aaron also have powers like these? Did Aaron inflict some horrible plague or curse? Could this be why they made up a story when they returned because either they do not think they would be believed or left behind those who are still in danger.
This is why Jack wants to go back to "save" them all from the hell they are all enduring? He could not get them off the island. Or is Aaron thought of as a God. I have always felt that there is a religious connection with Lost and that the smoke is Satan....then I thought Ben was Satan.....who knows...I sure don't.

I probably read way too much into this stuff but it is fun to try and guess all I know is that the writers are very creative.

Why have I noticed a bit more bickering of theories/appearacnes/what not than what this site is really for...sharing theories?!

If someone thinks the little boy looks like he has Down Syndrome so be it. If someone thinks Jack doesn't want to see the baby Aaron because maybe he is Claire's Aaron and he (Jack) holds some guilt then okay...

I can tell you right now I don't think any of us will ever have the full answers. That's why we come back to lost. It keeps us wanting more.

So in the meantime...can't we all just get along?! And for some humor to it all...is it wrong I kinda agreed with my boyfriend while we were watching the Oscars when he said when will there be a LOST movie? That'll be the day. Well...off to do more research...

My guess is it was Kate's mom in the coffin in the ff -- that's why Jack figured he'd find Kate at the funeral home.

let - that is an awesome idea! and then i asked myself why would he still be upset but maybe its because kate didnt show up, hence her later saying why would i go/be there. and we all know jack loves kate (ew, why, i cant stand her! im with team juliette)

I've just spent the entire weekend re-watching seasons 1 and 2 just so I could watch Kate's reactions, etc. I am convinced she has a much bigger role to play in everything. If anyone decides to re-watch, play very close attention to her reactions and the words she chooses. It is key. I also believe season 4 is portraying Locke as a dictator/tyrant and we're supposed to be annoyed, but we're going to find out that he really should be trusted. And as far as the whole Kate/Aaron scenario...when Claire went to the psychic she was told that SHE HAD TO BE THE ONE TO RAISE THE BABY OR ELSE THE CHILD WOULD BE IN DANGER. Isn't it funny that Kate ends up with the baby?

Just my 2 peneth worth but I thought from the conversation between Jack and Kate that the child was theirs.. as if Kate was saying until you are ready to see YOUR son there is nothing between us. The Aaron name maybe a wild goose chase.

So I was watching TV last night and guess who I saw. Daniel Faraday. That same actor played on Twister. Thought it was funny!!!

what if christian is alive and he is considered one of the 6?

Hope this is not considered bickering...

I don't think there is anything wrong with Aaron. My kids sometimes wake up from naps looking like little trolls and I know nothing is wrong with them...I hope the parents of the child actor knew what they were getting into placing their child on this show.

Oh, and Daniel...keep up the good work!

Diana,

I agree that I don't think anything is wrong with the kid, and like you, I've been thinking about his poor parents and all the people bickering that something is wrong with him!

I thought the kid just looked like he woke up from a nap!

jay, the child being jack/kate's, good possibitity. why else would kate say no coffee out until he understands something. have the two of them ever slept together??? maybe in later shows.

and i often rewatch early shows. in the first scene in pilot show when jack wakes up on the ground, it looks like his tie has a swan design on it. and he sure looked in his pocket quickly to see if that mini-alcohol was still there...

see when i posted the baby might be jacks i thought it sounded too much like a soap opera but the more people say it the more they make it make sense. whos to say kate didnt stay with jack and maybe hide out. you know he loves her so why wouldnt he take a chance to sleep with her? but then again he might be a little bitter about the sawyer thing no matter what. jack doesnt seem the type to let go of grudges. we saw how he was with his dad and jack was practically stalking his ex-wife

I wish it were Kate and Jack's baby because I really want them to end up together, but I doubt it. Considering Jack's propensity to commit fully to anything put in front of him, I doubt he'd turn into a dead beat dad especially if it was Kate's baby.

Plus I feel like Kate would've used words like "your son" or "our baby" when they were talking in the parking lot instead of "the baby". Plus, wouldn't she be more upset with him if he just refused to see them? I also think the DA probably would've brought that up when she was cross-examining him- that he could be lying to protect the mother of his child.

Have Jack and Kate had sex yet? Maybe I missed that episode. They need to already. There's some serious tension there.

Christy's post: "But I really believe this is the case. After all, how would an argument for bringing Kate's child into court to somehow attest to her current status as a "noble" and/or changed woman would work at all UNLESS that child were special needs?"

What if the "Special Needs" is actually Special Abilities amplified by the island's forces? A 2 year old is not a reliable witness, so it doesn't make sense why lawyer would want him on the stand (unless he's older than we think). If Aaron has special abilities, could explain why she didn't want him in court and why Kate didn't want Mom to meet him. I read a theory that proposed the children (good) that were on the island: both others and losties on flight 815 could be undergoing training (under Ben's Tutelage) to hone their particular talents to fight against the big corporations(evil): Dharma, Widmore whatever etc. or the "Big Daddies" if you will: Widmore; Sun's Dad; Jack's dad...all bad guys. I am liking that theory the most right now, makes more sense than the parallel universe and other moon etc.

re: garage scene after court: Kate won't see jack unless he accepts Aaron, no Aaron no Kate, that seemed pretty clear to me. Jack doesn't want to see the boy because he's afraid of Aaron's power, either he can read minds or something else supernatural.

letoiledunord - i don't think it's kate's mom in the coffin. if you look up still shots of the newspaper article that jack finds, it says that a NY man was found in LA. i think we can safely assume that the person in the coffin is a man. i really think it's michael. he's the only one we know for sure is from NY. but of course, as always, i could be wrong!

I don't really care for Kate most of the time but this episode sort of let me see Kate in a whole new light. I think that she showed a lot of courage and strength by standing trial and getting it over with by accepting the deal. I think the reason that Jack wont accept Aaron is due to the ever-present ill will between he and his father. Something about Sawyer and John "the best character ever" Locke playing backgammon together made me think back to John and Walt playing together in season 1. Will Sawyer become Locke's new loyal right hand man? Not sure yet, but this episode was better than most on this blog have given it credit for. They can't all be amazingly revealing. Plus if you are a real fan of the show, this episode is probably full of tidbits that seem insignificant right now but will come back and hit us all in the face later. First time posting, a buddy showed me the page and I absolutely love it. Keep up the good work Daniel.

The DA asked Jack is he was still in love with Kate. Why would the lawyer ask that? How would anyone know that they had any romantic involvement on the island? Maybe they said that Aaron is Jacks and Kates becuase Jack and Aaron have similiar DNA or maybe Kate was prego when she left the island and said that Jack was the father but really it is Sawyers. There is so much involved. I love this site - makes my mind spin.

I like the idea that ben was in the coffin, no one came because he's so hated, and now Jack wants to go back to the island to get everyone left behind(which Ben must have something to do with) Mr. Responsible. Also are the Flash Forwards before/after rescue/leaving island? I like that possibility.
I'm one who thought she said "Eric" too. Wasn't that first Other that said he was on the plane and Charlie(? )killed named Eric? Not sure about that.

personreal:

The Other who was trying to blend in and got shot was Ethan.

I'll have to go back and listen to what Kate said but I heard Aaron. Wouldn't it have been a bit anti-climactic if she said Eric, after we already knew she had a son?

I watched it again and still sounded like eric but then my hearing what it used to be....

maybe claire met charlie in the dimension where he is still alive (like when he talked to hurley) and she decided to stay with charlie but send the baby with kate.

Watched it again. Still obsessed!

I'm pretty convinced Jack won't see Aaron due to guilt. I'm also convinced everyone NOT one of the O6 is still on the Island and in need of help.

Remember Hurley's vision of Charlie in the cop shop? Charlie's message on his hand was "THEY NEED YOU". Charlie said the same thing to Hurley when he visited, I think.
And Jack said to Kate, "We have to go back. We made a mistake."

It's Claire's Aaron and every time Jack looks at him he's reminded of "his tribe" that he failed to bring safely off the Island.

oh and Sayid working for Ben - he's gotta be doing it for his friends still on the Island. Makes the most sense, doesn't it?

My Swiss cheese theory…

The Oceanic 6 were the first wave of Losties to be rescued, or so they thought! Once off the island, the Powers-that-wish-to-keep-the-island-secret threatened the Oceanic 6 with the lives of the left behind Losties. “If you tell the truth, all your friends die! This is your story.” And, then they gave them the story that Jack swore to on the stand. Why must they keep it a secret? The island is the key to the universe…right?

Jack loses it because he promised he would get everybody off the island safely. And, now he has left his flock to founder! Woe is Jack!

Don’t know how Kate ended up with Aaron, but I think it’s Claire’s Aaron. I knew it the moment she walked into her house.
Locke is turning into Ben, and I don’t like it. Even though Ben is starting to grow on me.
I think Miles twitched for Kate too. He can “read” things about the living too.
Mr. Faraday is a wild card (pun intended). He’s going to tell secrets accidently. Just watch.

Like I said…Swiss cheese.

i don't think there are that many holes in your theory Auto. i have read a lot more craziness on this DB, believe me.

I know that others have already posted that Charlotte is Ben's "man on the boat". I was just wondering if in any of the scene's Charlotte told any of her fellow freighters that Ben said he had a man on the boat. If she didn't tell anyone, wouldn't that be odd? Wouldn't she want to warn her fellow freighters that Ben claimed to have planted a mole? Unless she is the mole...

Excellent point, I to wondered why she didn't jump at the chance to tell everyone that she found Ben and that he had a man on the boat. Wouldn't that be important information?

Daniel, When will you be posting the Lost Q&A? I sent a few questions that I hope make it this week!!!

You know, a friend of mine whom I watch Lost with every week had this idea about Aaron:

Maybe, to get off the island, the Oceanic 6 had to make a "deal". Part of her deal was to take Aaron (since as we all know maternity had something weird to do with the island). Thats why Jack was so torn up (and drunk). Thats why Hurley says they should have never left. They had to cut a deal in order to leave OR they had to cut a deal in order to protect their friends.

That was her idea.... good, yeh?

yeah NHR, that's what i've been thinking...

NHR, why would they arrange a deal to take baby Aaron off of the island? wasn't the original plan to take Claire's baby in the first place? if they cannot get women to stay pregnant and deliver on the island, it wouldn't make sense for them to arrange to send the baby off. i thing something is going to happen to Claire and Kate is going to adopt Aaron as her own.

Why would anyone in their right mind let Kate adopt a young child with all of the charges against her? Makes absolutely zero sense. I'm all for hoping she has "changed" from who she was before the island, (murderer, etc) to her being a good "mom" off...but with all of those charges (whether she committed them or not) - I just don't see how someone in their right mind would let another legally adopt a child at that time in their life.

ok first...i have a hard time believing that ben is in the casket. the neighborhood and funeral home, just don't fit the death of a man who has lived such an extraordinary life. but maybe that's the point, i don't know. i feel like ben's so smart and ahead of the game, that if he did die, he'd have some arrangements already made that wouldn't include an empty funeral home.

second, i think miles can read things in living people too. and i almost felt like kate knew that somehow, like she wanted him to read her when she asked him if he knew who she was. maybe she is hiding a big secret from the other losties that involves her connection with the island or jacob, and she wants to know if miles will give it away. and maybe miles does know, and was trying to tell ben in the basement.

thirdly, the bad robot clip at the end of the shows scares me too! when i fall asleep watching the dvds and it says BAD ROBOT it scares the crap out of me!!

also, in the ff's, it seems like kate is the only one so far who isn't messed up. after she gets off for her trial, she seems totally together when she meets bearded drunk jack. hurley is crazy, sayid's life sucks, but kate seems to have it pretty good so far....

Cammies..you have a point. But she did take that deal from the DA hands down, no questions asked really quick. Is this her 'excuse' then to not return to the island as Jack so vehemently wants her to do? Does making that deal with the DA now exempt her from having Ben call in favors or control as he is obviously doing with Sayid? I for one was so sad to see Sayid so broken and 'controlled' when he had been such a voice of reason, intelligence, courage, etc., while on the island. But, something so much more is going on and I am hungry for some revelations!! I hardly believe that Kate has become some upstanding member of society - she took that deal to protect herself from something or someone!!

Regarding whether Kate claimed Aaron was either her biological or adopted son, I think it partially depends on what the actual date is that the Oceanic 6 get off the island and into the outside world. If it's like, say, a month from present island time on the show, I don't think it's possible.

But if it's 6-8 months from now, then sure. Bottom line here is that Kate's trial takes place sometime between November 2006 (Aaron was listed as being 2 years old in the credits) and April 2007 (the date on Jack's obituary from last season's finale). It's certainly possible the Oceanic 6 didn't reveal themselves to the world at large until mid 2005 or later.

this is far fetched, I'll grant you, but what if Kate IS pregnant & has the baby on the island (Juliette finally proves her skills). But the baby can't ever leave the island, so she and Claire have to trade children. Kate is forced to leave the island - but can't take her baby. Aaron can leave b/c he was conceived off-island, but Sawyer Jr. has to stay.

so many options... how many more seasons do we have? 3? 4?

MV - I think the world at large wouldn't know that Aaron is not her son. The Losties would though...

I don't believe Ben is in the casket. i think it's Micheal - Ben probably blackmailed him with Walt. Ben has Walt and if Micheal ever wants to see him again he'll have to do something like, say, BETRAY the Losties in some way. I'm thinking Micheal is on the boat and we'll soon find out what dastardly deed he has done to make Kate not want to go to his funeral.

Xan·a·du (zăn'ə-dū', -dyū')
n.
An idyllic, beautiful place.

(referring to the island)

A number of people saw Kate weeks before the crash. Including her real Father. They would all know she wasn't 8 months pregnant when the plane crashed.

Overall after all is said & done, they would have been on the island only a few months...not enough time to conceive, give birth & come back with a toddler.

hmmm good point, kat.
But aren't they dead? Dad's dead, and the Marshal is dead. Was there anyone else?

its totally plausible to fudge a child's age of birth by several months. kids grow differently (Claire's son on the island looks way older than intended), so i can see how they could pull it off. i think the way the episode played out, it has to be Claire's son.

CarrieM - Kate's real dad is dead (Kate killed him), but the person whom she saw that you're thinking of was her step-dad, Sam Austen, at the recruiting center. However, I think that was a long while before she ever went to Austrailia (like 3 years).

The farmer that Kate worked for in Austrailia (Ray, the one who turned her is for the money) is still alive. As far as others, IDK.

However, if this time difference between the island and the "real" world becomes anything significant, a lot more time will have passed than we are led to believe. But, if time turns out to be a non-factor (unlkely) then there will be people who know that Kate wasn't pregnant before the flight, like the Austrailian farmer.

For me, I just don't know how Kate would be allowed to keep another person's child, when
a. she's a fugitve/muderer/arsonist
b. she's not a relative (Claire's baby-daddy is still alive, as are some of Claire's family, including Jack!)

But, I will admit, that even with time moving faster in the real world than it does on the island, it doesn't leave much time for Kate to pass that kid off as her own 2 year old, especially if this trial is taking place in 2006 sometime. So, I really don't know. But, I still feel like she's passing off Claire's Aaron as her own son.

okay so this may be totally OFF but my husband thinks that Kate said "Eric" at the and NOT "Aaron". I automatically thought she said Aaron but after my husband mentioned that we rewinded and there is a small possibility that it could be Eric she said! Which would be it's Kate's child with Sawyer which would explain Jack's resistance to see him. (even though I agree with the person who said they don't understand why if that's the case Kate would be so adamant about Jack seeing him...)

If somebody is able to put on the captions and rewind the episode we tried to do that but couldn't figure out how to put the captions on! haha

Also, I HATE that spoilers were written here. Ugh I just read about Jin and Sun and grrrr I didn't think this diary had any spoilers I just thought it would be ppl throwing theories around. :( sad.

I'll stop rambling but I also noticed the drawing (4 toed robot) on the wall behind Aaron/Eric? lol and maybe if it's true that the baby has special "powers" he is able to draw things that happened on the island.

Also, isn't Ben then one of the new oceanic 6 reveals??? That's his first appearance in the flashfowards. That would make 5 not counting the baby.

Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid and Ben plus the baby....unless nobody knows about Ben.

Sorry CarrieM, I menat to say that the person that Kat was referring to was Kate's step-dad, and that was years before the crash. My apologies.

I rewound and listened several times, and it wasn't super clear, but it sounded the most to me like Kate said Aaron. I didn't think about closed captions though, that's a great idea. To bad I already deleted the episode:(

Maybe it was me, but I thought I only counted 3 "toes" on the robots. I don't know if the 4 toed statue mystery will ever be revealed! I really didn't feel like the robots had much significance, other than the black monster sounding like one.

Or...they're all being controlled like robots...

Michelle, Ben could never be one of the Oceanic 6. he was not on the manifest. besides, with the picture shown by Miles, it is believed that Ben can and does leave the island at will. also, someone posted that they watched the show with captions and it showed Kate saying Aaron, not Eric.

maybe...If Kate did get pregnant on the island, then she must get off. Maybe she gives birth off the island. We don't know how much real world time will have elapsed once they leave the island.

In interviews with the producers/writers they have revealed that in due time both the four toed statue and the smoke monster mysteries will be resolved... I honestly don't think they put big things in the show just for the fun of it, maybe the small details, but the statue and the monster were made to be pretty big deals. No worries... they aren't yanking our chains with the big stuff... however, I think they throw small stuff in so we nitpick like this, and somethings are not meant to be a big deal at all.... the beauty of Lost.

Assuming that Kate's baby Aaron is Claire's Aaron (which is what I believe), wouldn't this be a major problem on the writers part for believablity?

I just thought about this... after the Oceanic 6 get rescued (or whatever happens to get them off the island), Kate would either have to do 1 of 2 things. 1. Say that the mother of Aaron died and she wanted to adopt or foster him... now obviously this couldn't happen since she is a convict on the run who is on trial for murder. 2. Claim that she either got pregnant on the island or was pregnant at time of crash and had baby Aaron while stranded on the island. Here is my problem with that theory - wouldn't you think that authorities would make sure that the baby is hers? I mean it would be easy to do... either by physical examination of her or by DNA test.

Of course this all might not even be the case since we are only fed little tidbets in the flashforwards and maybe the baby is really hers somehow.

For those that keep wondering about the court segment when Jack was asked if he loved Kate? I worked for a law firm for many years and feel this was a test to see if Jack was lying. If he had said that he still loved her then this would put a question in the minds of the jury that he could be lying to protect her. By saying no it is assumed he has no reason to lie for Kate. This is why later outside Jack tells Kate that he didn't really mean he didn't love her.

Is it just me or does Thursday seem sooo far away?

Thanks kat for the def. of Xanadu. This is why Writers deserve every penny they asked for during their strike. It's all about the details.

You guys keep saying they couldn't believe Aaron was Kate's because she hasn't been on the island long enough...but we are forgeting one big thing. The time difference!!!! It could mean on the island aaron is only 2 months old, but in the states or wherever he may be 1 year old or whatever. A couple episodes ago someone did the math on the time difference. What the 31 min 18 seconds could transform in to. Can they post that again?!?

it would be easier to pass of Claire's baby as Kate's than for her to tell everyone once they got off the island, "He looks older because there is a time difference on the island." how could they even begin to explain that when they have to keep the island a secret? and, they rarely examine a mother for to see if a baby is hers. they usually reserve that for men.

Let's all think about this...on the island Aaron ( I don't care whose he is anymore, thats besides the point) but like I was saying on the island Aaron is only a couple months, right? And then in the "real world" he is approximately 1 or so? Whatever, either way. How do you explain the change in appearance in him? When he leaves the island does he magically morph into a one year old?

Seriously...that what I keep thinkin about when everyone brings up the whole time difference...who is Aaron thing. Which leads me to believe Aaron was born in the real world and he is Kate's baby...

Someone already checked the captions when Kate picks up the baby at the end, and she says Aaron.
http://thelostdiary.com/blog/2008/02/eggtown.html#comment-9185

I don't think there is any significant time difference between the real world and the island. There is certainly something hinted at by the payload test, but nothing dramatic like "the land that time forgot".

1) Based on the car that was being driven when Ben was born in the real world, that was maybe mid 60's. He then spent 30 or so years on the island. He's 40'ish and the off island/on island seem in synch with that.
2) The crazy French lady has supposedly been on the island for 16 years, but doesn't seem too out of touch interacting with the Losties. If there were a significant time difference, she would have been on the island for say 50+ years of real world time.

The writers said after the Sayid flash forwards that they were not out of order, time wise. Basing on continuity such as that, with the Kate episode having the Claire/Aaron scene and then ending up with a baby named Aaron, I'm would guess that baby is Claire's. I'm not certain why he's now 2 years old, but...

I'm going to assume the "Oceanic 6" are the people that received settlement from Oceanic Airlines. Just because people were recovered from an island that an Oceanic plane crashed into would not entitle them to receive anything from the company, unless it crashed into their house - haha. Only people that were caused hardship by this airline would receive a settlement and be dubbed by media as the O6.

Kate's trial seems to occur after the O6 receive their settlements. I assume this process takes some time, like FAA investigations, court filings, hearings, and settlement negotiations. The the time it takes to bring Kate's issues to trial. This seems like it could easily take over a year.

Agreed. While there may indeed be a time difference between the island and the real world, it doesn't have to mean that they are worlds apart. For that matter, the time difference issue could just mean that it takes 31 mins and 18 secs to get to the island from whichever vortex you are entering, or whatever mystical properties make the island special. This would mean that there is actually no time difference at all, only a long path from an outside location to the island.

From the preview, we should find out a lot more about the time thing after this weeks episode.

"...and, they rarely examine a mother for to see if a baby is hers. they usually reserve that for men."

Posted by: sarah | February 27, 2008 08:40 AM

I totally agree with you except we're talking about someone on trial for murder. You would think that the authorities aren't going to just take her word for it when it comes to the baby being hers biologically.

sorry lily, i just don't think one has to do with the other. i think, being on trial for murder would mean that they would take her child away, but i don't think it would mean that she stole a child.

Oh I think they would take the child away too... I just think that if the child is really Claire's, the writers are really stretching the limits of believability. Then again, we are talking about Lost here so anything is possible lol :)

there has to be a correlation between Walt and Aaron because they both appeared to age rapidly once off the island. However, Alex, who didn't leave the island did not rapidly age.

to carriem: Her REAL father. Not the one she blew up in the house. Remember the one she visited at the military office. There were people in that office who saw her. People at her the restaurant her mother worked at saw her. any other questions?

We're also talking about Kate, and we all know she has the awesome super-power to Scooby Doo people at will.

to LARRY: I think you have your "dads" mixed up. She blew up her mother's husband (her step dad) in the house. Her REAL dad is the guy at the recruiting center.

Just thought of this. what if ben assumed someone who died's name from the manifest and was given a settlement? wouldn't he technically be a part of the oceanic 6 then?

i read an interesting tidbit: one person has the job on the Lost set to find babies in the community to play Aaron. they don't use the same kids like the mary-kate/ashley olson thing, where one of the Olsons twins was always available. this worker puts ads in the paper and visits doctor's offices and moms of twins clubs, just looking for a boy or girl to play Aaron. that might account for the kids always looking different, big/small, young/older, big ears/whatever. worker said she sometimes has found as many as 30 kids to stand in as aaron.

also, i don't have close-captioned myself. several bloggers on tmz and also the abc/lost blogg section said they do and the caption read Aaron. could the company who provided captions have made a mistake and its "Eric". i have no clue myself.

To New: Yes, I would buy into the theory of Ben assuming the identity of a deceased passenger, being given a settlement and a spot on the O6. But, he would then be "one of the most recognized faces in America." I don't think he would put himself into that spotlight. Ben appears to have lots of enemies that would be able to call him out. Unless, they want to handle him themselves...

Kat: Her REAL father is the one she blew u in the house, you find that out during the same episode that she blew up the house... details. Also, that episode was a probably a couple of years before the plane crash since she was on the run and in Australia for quite sometime after that. Just an FYI.

Kat: Her REAL father is the one she blew up in the house, you find that out during the same episode that she blew up the house... details. Also, that episode was a probably a couple of years before the plane crash since she was on the run and in Australia for quite sometime after that. Just an FYI.

i absolutely love this show. its the only thing i watch anymore, and i hate to say that its starting to piss me off!! all of these new doors being opened, all of these new questions, and not one freaking answer!! not even to the silly shit like the 4 toed statue!!

As for all of the arguing about the Eric, Aaron, blah blah blah, i suffer some slight hearing loss and even i could tell she said Aaron. comeon. The writers/ producers/ mindfuckers behind this show put a lot of time and effort into setting up Aaron as being in kates custody. The theories that its sawyers kid or jacks kid or bens kid, as fun as they may be, are obviously just people trying to make an already super complicated plot line even more super duper complicated. That was handed to us. She said Aaron. it was a little blond boy. its claires kid. And for the complete improbability that the state would grant kate custody of Aaron being an argument as to why it must not be Claire's Aaron, this show has black smoke monsters and ghost shacks and Christian Shepard sitting in a chair whispering creepy things to a paraplegic who can suddenly walk again who is talking to the image of a kid who is off the island but has special powers and can be in many places at once.

its not arguing, its different people giving their opinion, just like you have the freedom to do so. don't read it if its too complicated for you. are you ever wrong or do you know everything?

hey newbie!: I guess I had my 'Dads' mixed up...I forgot I had read that....sorry Larry..my mistake..too much info to remember :)

This website is great for catching up or just staying with it..........................:http://lost.about.com

Rachel, LMFAO! So with you on that one :-)

"And for the complete improbability that the state would grant kate custody of Aaron being an argument as to why it must not be Claire's Aaron, this show has black smoke monsters and ghost shacks and Christian Shepard sitting in a chair whispering creepy things to a paraplegic who can suddenly walk again who is talking to the image of a kid who is off the island but has special powers and can be in many places at once."

No problem Kat. By the way, according to many LOST timelines that have been posted on various websites, Kat killed her real dad, Wayne, back in 2001. That's why I said earlier that it had been years since she had seen her step-dad, Sam.

Kind of off-topic, but I wonder if he is still alive. You think we would have seen Sam Austen at Kate's trial if he was still alive. He seemed like he would become a pivotal character with his association with both Kate and Sayid, but we never heard from him again. Maybe he's on a special assignment somewhere...for Dharma...Hanso...Mr. Paik...???

So I may have waited 7 days to watch, but isn't that the magic of DVR???

Let us not forget that, like God, when Lost closes a door, it opens a window. Yes, that's a joke - a horrible one, I know. However my point is that even when Lost seems to 'disappoint', there's always some new question or an exciting revelation. I'm just glad that even though there are still more questions, we are starting to get a glimpse of some answers. I thought it was a good filler episode and a good lead-in for tonight's episode!

Someone earlier posted that they heard Sun and Jin make it off the island.... I was thinking, if that is true, how would Kate end up with Claire's baby? Sun would be a much better choice to raise someone's child. If Aaron is Claire's Aaron, then I think Kate is claiming that it's her own, no way would any court grant a murder suspect custody of a child. However, having said all that, I think it is Kate's child.... The father I think is Sawyer but she had to tell everyone it's Jack because Sawyer was supposed to be dead when the plane crashed. That would make sense why Jack wouldn't want to see the child.
I also wasn't sure if she said Aaron or Eric.... and I think that was done on purpose. I also think the camera angles were done on purpose to make us all debate on whether or not he has Downs. My first thought was that he did and then he turned a different way and I though he didn't, then he turned again and I thought he did... must have been done on purpose.
As for Locke.... I am so done with his character. Who died and made him King of the island?? Who gives him the right to banish Kate?? I think Ben is hysterical.... I didn't like him in previous sessions but this season Ben gets an A+ in my book. The Hurley Scooby Doo line was the best line I ever heard in that show. I cannot wait for tonights episode.

Thanks Sarah!

Thoughts to ponder...
Seth Norris killed by smoke monster b/c he was supposed to be Frank Lapidus, which is why Frank is there. The island called him. He has a purpose there.

Dharma is American? It appears as though all the people who work/worked with Ben as Dharma spoke with an American accent. (Don't know if that has any bearing at all.)

Abbadon is the smoke monster/ultimate island guardian. (someone mentioned he turned into smoke after visiting Hurley. I saw that too.)

Why isn't Naomi covered in flies?

Happy viewing!

Does anyone else agree that when they wake up on a Thursday morning and realize Lost is on that night it gives them extra purpose to their day?!?!? I DO!!!

Racheal.

You are freaking hilarious.

This website has gotten out of control. People here are giving their opinions. Who cares if you don't agree. Hence free speech etc. Please everyone quit putting people down because you don't agree with their opinions. I love lost too, but it is a TV show, not our next president.

We should all try to agree to disagree but not get nasty about it.

Love to all!!!

right on Rachael!

Let's play another game of "what if". Here's a thought regarding why Jack may be hesitant to see Kate and Aaron or to "visit us" as she said. What if...Christian Shephard is actually alive. We've seen him pop up on the island several times so it's not impossible. And what if Kate and Christian at some point meet and they end up spending some time on the island together. She's been hot for one Shephard, why not the other? Crazy yes...but again not impossible. What if the child she's calling Aaron is actually hers and CHRISTIAN'S...which would explain why Jack would be SO hesitant to see the child. It would also explain why Kate is now living in some VERY nice digs. I'm all for girl power, but I know California real estate and that place that she's living in is VERY expensive. I doubt highly that she would be able to afford that right outta the box after being a fugative, etc. Maybe she and Christian are together in the future? He's a big time cardiologist, correct? Cardiologist = $$ = nice, nice house in suburbs of LA. This could also explain why Jack goes nutty. This show constantly makes you go hmmmm.....

Kate was also (presumably) "the recipient of a large settlement" (to quote Sayid) from Oceanic Airlines. That alone would be enough to fund a house in the hills.

carrie- i am never wrong, how lovely of you to notice. TOTALLY KIDDING. really i think all of this is fun. No offense intended.

Actually i have a new theory. what if the kid kate has is Claire's baby? not Aaron, but Claire is the father. thats why jack is super weirded out, cuz his half sister got the woman he loves pregnant. that island if fucking nuts, anything is possible.

MV - I know exactly what you mean!! lol...that's funny!..I'm glad others feel the same way...I tell my husband LOST is on tonight and he says..OH yeah! with a smile...:)

Anyone have any idea how much time has passed from Kate's trial & (the last episode of season 3) where Jack tells Kate they have to go back?..because based on all the flashforwards this season so far Jack seems to be pretty together until obviously he loses it at some point bringing them to that episode where Jack wants to go back.

Okay, so I am one who likes to read spoilers and what not...if you are interested go here and see what may be happening in the upcoming seasons. I like it because it helps me theorize. This site is usally right to.

DONT CLICK THE LINK IF YOU DONT LIKE SPOILERS

theres my warning so noone complains i ruined it for them...

http://www.tvsquad.com/2008/02/27/spoilers-anonymous/

Sarah B- no worries, I kinda like the spoilers too... especially when they prove my theories correct :)

Thanks Sarah Badara- loved it-

I guess I must have missed something way back in the comments, are people STILL getting nasty with each other this week? I thought it was only directed at me!?!?? Oh well, misery loves company-- welcome to Being in the Doghouse--!!

With that said, happy viewing tonight my friends...will enjoy your comments tomorrow!

I always am so schizo when it comes to spoilers. On one had i am the most impatient person in the world and have a penchant for instant gratification, on the other hand i like being surprised. it is like sneaking a look at Christmas presents before Christmas, it ruins the fun but you have to.

Rachael - I agree but then again, sometimes with the spoilers youre never 100% if they are right...so I think you get complete satisfaction when you actually see it for real...if that makes sense.

Lost - I don't think people are still bickering, I just remember a lot of posters/readers got upset when some people said thingsabout interviews/spoilers/etc that it "ruined" the show...

I for one am for all the information to be shared...there's no such thing as too much knowledge.

Well happy watching tonite everyone! If anything crazy happens I don't think I'll be able to keep comments until tomorrow morning...

even though some people are okay with "spoilers" not everyone is. some people come here just to toss around theories and we've never had to deal with spoilers before. we should be mindful of this and just declare spoilers when you post them.

Gearing up for tonight's episode and just thinking of a couple things.

First, despite how sick I am of Kate and Aaron talk, it is completely plausible that Aaron's real moter, (aka Claire) is one of the "8" initial survivors of the crash, who then gives birth but dies. Of the O6, we so far have 3 males (Jack, Hurley, Sayid) and 1 female (Kate). If there are no other female survivors in the O6 (or even if there are and it is someone like Sun who will have her own child presumably), then who is the best suited to take Aaron if Claire is dead? Kate. Since it often takes a long time to get to trial, and Kate was free before the trial until the hearing we saw in the episode, she could easily have been caring for the child, and even passing Aaron off as her own depending on when she ends up getting off the Island. Remember, people are presuming that she gets off now, or shortly, but if Aaron is two at the time of the trial, and he is only a few months old now, then it is possible Kate could have claimed to be 3-4 months pregnant on the flight, plus another 5 or so on the island (we are already at 100 days - 3 and a half months almost). The way it actually happens is a lot less significant than the fact that we are supposed to believe Kate is raising Aaron as her "son" at this point.

Next, as far as the whole "time" issue goes. A lot of people keep presuming that there is a "time difference" between the Island and the "real" world. This is not necessarily true. Just because an item sent from off the Island onto the Island was delayed by 31 minutes does not mean that the two places are at different times. The concept of spacetime permits both places to be on the same time, but for the item to have gotten "lost" for lack of a better word, or I guess delayed, in spacetime. This accounts for why communications are not affected. The freighters can talk to those on the Island in real time, and timelines such as Ben's life can be reconciled, because the two places are actually exisiting simultaneously with the same timeline. It is only when a physical object, such as the package from the experiment, or a person, plane, ship, etc...moves to and from the Island on the wrong coordinates that it gets caught up in the "tear" in the fabric of spacetime and gets held up (or accelerated) for some time. It is sort of like taking a detour. You can stay on the highway and get somewhere in X time, or you take the wrong exit and it takes you X+31 longer, or you know a shortcut and your time is reduced. Same thing with spacetime. Conceivably we can travle through spacetime to reach far away destinations in shorter periods of time, but it could have the opposite effect of making the journey longer. Either way, at your destination, time will not be any different from where you started, it just may have taken you longer or shorter to get there.

Last thing, a side note. I love it when people use the free speech argument to criticize people who trash other's opinions. It is wrong on so many levels. Setting aside the whole requirement that violating free speech can only occur through state action (that is, a private entity, such as thelostdiary.com, can stifle speech as much as it wants), the argument that criticizing someone is violating their right to free speech is just oxymoronic (if not just moronic). By that argument, telling someone that they shouldn't criticize someone else is in itself a violation of the criticizer's free speech. That is, it is just as much someone's right to bash someone else's opinion as it is for someone to have an opinion in the first place. And by saying that someone shouldn't bash someone else's opionion, you are committing the exact violation you accuse the basher of committing. So yes, let's all be friends and can't we all just get along and whatever, but if someone has a stupid opinion, and someone else feels like telling someone that they think the opinion is stupid, even if you think that is stupid, they both have just as much right as the other to say what they want. And so do you, but to justify it with the free speech argument just doesn't work, and undermines your entire position. And I always find that amusing. Happy Losting tonight!

HEY! watching the enhanced episode...who the hell is the bearded guy yelling at kate when shes walking through through the paparazzi? and is he saying what did you do to her?