The Lost Diary

OK, so I watched lost Last night. And Sayid is one of my favorite characters so it's nice to see him involved in a flash-forward.

BUT........

1) I feel as if the show is slowly slipping away from what everyone loved about it. I think it appealled to everyone (or maybe just me), when you were discovering things about the people, and how they intertwined with others on the island. the flash-forwards seem a little too unrealistic at the moment. Sayid killing 2 people? I have a feeling this will all be explained by the end of the season or the end of the series, but right now I don't like the direction they're heading

2) it's becoming too predictable. I totally knew Hurley was setting those guys up, and knew it was Ben in the end with Sayid.

Hopefully it was just a bad episode and they redeem themselves next week, but it all seems a little too scattered right now.

What did you think?

Ok...maybe I'm naive...I was surprised it was Ben. My boyfriend kept saying, "Is that Ben?" and I kept saying..."no...why?"

I find your theory particularly interesting in that Kate is NOT one of the 6...but instead managed to get off the island in other means. My thought for who she had to get back to was either Sawyer (not doubtful from last night's episode) or...a baby that she had because of Sawyer. Though I am confused at why she is famous and not behind bars...hmm...perhaps she managed to make a deal of immunity to get off the island (making her one of the 6) in exchange, she keeps quiet. Afterall, people seemed to have gained something after leaving. Jack was able to return to work thought he was on probation. Hurley was a millionaire, so he just had to go back to his life anyway. Kate...she gets to leave freely and be famous...Sayid...did he really receive money from Oceanic 815? Perhaps...but he could always be getting paid in another way.

Thanks for the post :-) I love reading other peoples' thoughts on the show.

This episode was GREAT!!!. I was neither here or there after the first two episodes for my expectations were high, and I was not feeling the flash forwards; but last night, it ROCKED!!!! Loved, Loved, Loved the ending that was after I survived near heart failure. I give it an A+

Damn Sayid looks good in a tux!!!!!!!! Wasn't expecting the Ben at the end though. Love the flashforwards, I agree with you , it's fun trying to figure out how they got there. Vincent is one of the 6 - cause they always have to save the dog

Those LOST writers deserve some awards man - I've always liked the small details; the similar bracelet on Elsa and Naomi, the way the light doesn't scatter ... the little twists make it what it is!!

I LOVED this episode! The clocks being off time... Sayid working for Ben in the ff... The secret room in Ben's house... Them leaving on the helicopter... Locke losing Jacob's cabin and Ben calling him out on it... so many interesting and great things.

Did anyone notice Elsa was wearing the same bracelet as Naomi? How did Desmond get a ride on the heli? Curious to know what name was on Ben's passport...

I give this episode an A+... It made me wish the hour wasn't up.

I liked the episode. I also like the Flash-forward & flash-backs. I keep changing stuff in my head as to how the "Oceanic 6" got to where they are in the future.

I, too, knew it was Ben that was Sayid's boss. I wasn't sure about Hurley, though. I thought maybe that's how he got OFF the island, is by "switching teams".

Loved the episode! As much as I love the flashforwards, I have to say, there's something really unsettling about watching the characters we've grown to love become such different people off the island.

Here's my latest theory...Sayid is Ben's "man on the boat"!! now that we actually have confirmation that there is some sort of time travel/time distortion thing going on. is it not plausible that in the outside world, sayid has already arrived on the boat, even though in island time, he was just leaving for it?

I think that it is awesome that we get to see what is happening off of the island. It is like a little taste of the end of a novel, but you have no idea what happened in the middle. I think us seeing what is happening off of the island in the future will be so important to what is happening on the island now and why all of the people are there - especially the "rescuers". I LOVE THIS SHOW!!

Lissy: Ben's name on the passport was "Dean Moriarty"

Miles was left with Locke who is in search of Jacob so that could make that prediction of Miles being there to talk to Jacob true... Seeing Hurley pull a fast one on Team Sayid makes the dynamics of his flash forward with Jack in the gym even more significant. This story is turning out to be HUGE!!! There is so much of the story left to tell. I'm thinking with these final seasons no episode will be less than a "B".

OMG! First and foremost, Sayid is HOT!!!! OK, just had to get it off my chest. I loved the episode until the very end. How nicely it tied in to Daniel's last week's "Leave it to Sayid" show :-). I was like, "yeah, Sayid came back from the island with a vengence and he means business!", but him working for Ben totally ruined it for me. It kind of put him back into the killing/torturing machine from Iraq. I'm assuming there has to be a darn good reason for him to stoop so low to be under Ben's thumb.

He's still hot though!

Jen in Jersey .... that is an AWESOME theory. Very interesting!!!

Jen in Jersey: How is it possible that Sayid could be Ben's man on the boat? The time difference is only 31 minutes between the boat and the island??

"...is it not plausible that in the outside world, sayid has already arrived on the boat, even though in island time, he was just leaving for it?"

Ooooooooh! I like it.

I also think we're missing the significance of Desmond being one of the ones who gets to go to the boat first. Nothing is random on that show. And Desmond has some sort of clairvoyant powers. Maybe something, maybe nothing.

I think that the episode was great! And in anwsering your questions I don't think we are learning to much because even though it seems we are. The flash fowards are almost like mini episodes the tell a little but no all. One prediction I have and don't know if it was stated but I think that the guy Jack was all ate up over in the first flas foward ever is Ben and at this point in the series I will be through a party for his death he has caused the losties to much grief.

I agree that Lost is getting a little predictable at times. But, for every predictable aspect, there are at least two unpredictable things that happen.

I too have thought that there was no way Kate was part of the Oceanic 6. I mean, why would they let her off the hook for murder, just for being in a plane crash, unless the government feels guilty or something. Interesting that Locke couldn't find the cabin. Perhaps you don't find the Jacob, the Jacob finds you!!!

I'm becoming more and more convinced of the "Vile Vortices" theory with every episode. It just makes the most sense, and Daniel's experiment sort of plays into that. That being said, I wonder where the "freighter" is actually located. If the Vortex thing is true, then the ship could be anywhere in the world!

If Ben is a good guy, as has been previously talked about, then why is he always caught up in bad things? What is his purppose? What is he doing when he is globe hopping, using all of his passports? Is he the real Jason Bourne? "The Ben Identity?"

The writers can't do anything for me to stop watching either. I will be there until the end, for sure. I just hope we get some really good insights coming up. The next episode may be a let down, but I assure you that by the end of the season (strike shortened or not) we will have so much to think about our heads will be aching!

Alrighty, this sounds much better in my head than when I put it in writing. I think the new team (Miles and Co.)unleashes something bad by trying to contact Jacob, the black smoke or just the real natives of the island. That bad something causes really bad (can't think of a better way to describe it) things to occur and the "Oceanic Six" flee the island with a promise to not reveal what has occurred. Better to let the world believe they died in the crash. Due to the Oce6 abandoning their friends to the bad something with no defenses, they feel supreme guilt and begin to feel they must return to the island. It must be a really bad situation on the island because the Oce6 begin to fall apart the longer they have to dwell on what they've done. (as evidenced by the flash forwards) Like I said...sounds better in my head. Can't wait for the rest of the episodes!!!!

NiKo: I think what Daniel's little experiment was showing us is that time moves a lot faster in the real world than on the island. Which means that the distance between the time on the island and real world time is growing exponentially...so who knows what real world time actually is and how long Sayid could have been on the freighter by now.

maybe kate has to get back to BEN!

At first glance, I didn't like the episode. However, I couldn't sleep, rehashing it over and over in my head, so I guess it was better than I thought.

Particularly intersting is your mention of Kate nd not being of the Oceanic 6. Remember in the first flashforward and she meets Jack and says, "He's going to wonder where I am"- she says that much like Juliet used to speak of Ben. From last night we know that Ben gets off the island, do you think that Kate is working for Ben in exchange for immunity of some kind? This also brings back a lot of speculation from last season that somehow, some way, Kate is the daughter of Annie. We never knew for certain that Annie was killed and Ben kept her doll... aside from Alex, she has been the only one for whom Ben has loved...

Other ideas I've tossed around. When Sayid is first shown golfing in Seychelles with Mr. Avellino, he killed him. Then we meet Elsa in the cafe who works for the Economist that Sayid is off to kill. Could Mr. Avellino have been in The Economist and that golf scene was a FF and the Elsa stuff was a flashback of what happened before he found The Economist? Just a thought-

Also worthy of note: all the passports, and secret rooms and business suits. Ben is a spy. Elsa and The Economist were speaking Russian. Russians drink vodka. Widmore produces vodka. People start making connections for me please, there is SOMETHING here. Ben is a KGB spy?

Remember how Ben was tortured and emprisoned in the armory when he was 'Henry Gale'? Despite being beaten and manipulated by even the best (Sayid) he didn't divulge anything, in fact, he was still pitting people against one another and playing on their weakest traits. Sayid was the one to figure out the Henry Gale thing... which leads me to this...

When Ben says "I've got a man on the boat", that scene may have been a flashforward (like a flashforward within the present storyline). He might mean Sayid. Sayid works for Ben to protect the left behind Losties...

Having said that, it would stand to reason that Kate would work for Ben too... the Losties are still on the island, don't want to be found and Kate is protecting Sawyer.

One more thing that has nagged me for the past few episodes. Where are the Others? Richard? Aren't they wondering what has happened to Ben & Locke? Why haven't they returned to the barracks? How big IS this island? Where are they?

Anyone else think that the "he" that Kate has to get back to could be Ben? Could Ben be her boss too?

Larry, thanks for making my day! "The Ben Identity?" might be the funniest thing I have heard in 2008! Cheers!

I forgot one thing that is HUGE!!!
When Ben sent Michael and Walt off the island in the boat, he gave them coordinates and told them they HAD TO STAY ON THOSE EXACT COORDINATES to be rescued.

Last night, Daniel said that Frank HAD TO STAY ON THE SAME BEARING THEY CAME IN ON (meaning coordinates) and it was really important.

Daniel knows that one wrong latitude or longitudinal line will not get them out.

This, along with the 31 minutes difference plays into the vortices theory (Bermuda Triangle) and the island being some sort of portal.

I think the person that Kate had to get back to in her FF was Ben. He obviously has some kind of hold on Sayid, so why not on Kate too?

i thought the weirdest thing was when sayid was looking at naomi's bracelet, he seemed so interested by it. and then later we see the same one on elsa, it was almost like he already thought naomi's bracelet looked familiar. and it seemed like he really cared that naomi was dead, when he closed her eyes and brought her on the helecopter and covered her up...he's seen tons of dead bodies, why should he care about her? he doesn't trust those people anyways. i don't understand!!!

My two cents: The Economist is Penny's father. The bracelet that Sayid noticed on Elsa's hand (that matched the one on Naomi) is of some significance. I think both were working for Penny's father. I agree with Daniel that Kate is not counted in the "Oceanic Six" - she obviously gets off the island, but either not as her true identity of Kate, or not with the "6" known to the general public. Charlotte very well may be Ben's "man" on the boat - the shooting thing from the previous episode looked like a ploy with Ben aware of her bullet proof vest. More thoughts... but too many to mention quickly here now. GREAT EPISODE!!!

One completely irrelevant thing to say:

Sayid, you sexy, sexy, ridiculously HOT man.

Did anyone notice that ELSA was wearing a similar bracelet to Naomi?

again...lots of "what the?!?!" moments...i'm really diggin sayid right now...

I AM TOTALLY ON BOARD WITH KATE NOT BEING ONE OF OF "OCEANIC 6"....
i was counting last night going...wait..that's 5 people off the island...but my bf was all "ben wasn't on the plane..." and considering that kate isn't in jail etc....so BRILLIANT! i can't wait to see what happens...

I'm just not sure how they are going to tie all of this up in the end, and I am hoping that they don't "forget" to explain little mysteries that we still haven't had solved from like 2 seasons ago.

Last night's episode was pretty good, I guessed that Sayid was working for Ben, but I didn't see Hurley double crossing them. I was kinda sad about that actually.

I'm curious to find out how Kate gets off the boat and goes free when she's a felon. And I do hope that Sawyer is one of the people who get off, he's my absolute favorite and I think I would have a really hard time watching if he died.

I think the time difference stuff is going to start playing more of a part in future episodes. I'm also still reeling about the polar bear remains from last week. That was my biggest "WTF!" moment so far this season.

I was definitely buying into the theory that Kate might not be one of the Oceanic 6, and that she's off the island working for Ben in the future. but then i just remembered...in the preview for next week, didn't they show Kate walking through some sort of media frenzy with sunglasses on? which would imply that she was part of the Oceanic 6 celebrity frenzy. the preview flashes by so quickly though, so I could be wrong.

Great post Daniel! I, like Daniel, believe Ben will turn out to be a good guy. As to how Kate could be walking around free or how a plane full of people could be found at the bottom of the ocean, we have got to be dealing with some very powerful people here. With unlimited resources and money, almost any thing is possible. I also think the writers have the whole story already written and worked out so I'm sure everything is going according to plan. See ya!

I think maybe Kate said she was someone from the crash who didn't survive, yet had no relations left in the "real world." Or she is claiming to be someone like Juliet, who wouldn't be considered part of the Oceanic 6.

I definitely noticed the 2 bracelets and am so curious what that was about. Do we think The Economist is Abbadon, who we've seen in the first 2 episodes and who seems to be very important this season?

I liked the flash forwards at first, but I really miss finding out how they each got there, and I don't want to know everyone who gets off the island. It sort of ruined it for me last night because I kept thinking "something is going to happen to the helicopter" when it took off, but then I thought "well, no, Sayid lives, so it can't be anything bad."

What if Kate is also working for future Ben? He could be the "he" she has to get back to.

Oh man! I have a headache from all that we learned in the episode. First, Sayid is freakin' hot! Hello! And still a badass. I always want to be on his good side, but I'd still be on his team. Second, Ben's secret room had me all giddy. He travels off the island. Hee hee! Third, Hurley is increasingly growing some balls, you know? Costs him in the end, though. Third, I still hate Jack and had to laugh when he lost Kate yet again. Finally, just when I was worried that Ben wasn't running the show anymore, he confirms that he's still running the show. You are the man! Daniel, you picked the right Valentine.

"Everyone has a boss, Elsa." -- Sayid. Is similar to Ben telling Locke "We all answer to someone..."

Jen: Thanks for the explanation, but I still see some loopholes. I agree that the theory that time is different in both places, however ...

If Sayid is on the boat, it is an assumption that he would have come from the future (Future Sayid); so how will Ben know that Future Sayid is on the boat, when he has just encountered Past Sayid?

Sayid on the boat seems too easy for our beloved Lost writers ...

If Kate is not one of the Oceanic 6, why in the promos for next week, is she surrounded by paparazzi and called one of the most famous (or maybe recognizable) people in the world?

hey folks. long time blog-stalker, first time commenter. i thought last night's episode was an A, for sure. i'm wondering what could be powerful enough to make sayid agree to do ben's bidding... sayid seemed uncharacteristically weeny at the very end. and did anyone else expect to suddenly see rabbits with numbers on their sides in the cages at the vet? hehe.

Math time!

Okay, being the nerd I am, and not posting before, I thought about the time difference.

In around 3 hours averaging out the times, the difference between the clocks was 31 minutes. So I'll just go with easy stuff cause it's still early. 10 minutes an hour goes by faster on the outside.

Jack mentions not seeing a game in 90 days. That's a total of 2160 hours on the island. If for every hour, an extra 10 minutes goes by on the "outside", this would mean that in 2160 hours, an extra 21600 minutes went by. In other words, 360 hours, or a total of 15 days so far.

No idea what this means yet, but that's 2 weeks of extra time - and anyone else notice Aaron (Claire's baby) looks ALOT older than just about 2.5-3 months old? He looks closer to 9 months. I know that babies often look a bit older in showbiz - BUT the baby was born on the island, the first one.

This kid looks about ready to walk...

i wonder if sayid working for ben has anything to do with nadia? it seems like if sayid got off the island and nadia was alive and well, they would be together and sayid would be happy. and maybe that's ben's reference to sayid's heart getting in the way before.

The bracelet has to be of some importance. "N-I'll always be with you-RG" Could Sayid's Nadia be the N?, RG-could be a nickname for Sayid? If Ben has Nadia, Sayid would certainly do his bidding! Also to "Tree"-I was looking for the white rabbits too!

Interesting point Tree makes. The fact that Ben is in a vet clinic to treat Sayid is important. Brings up thoughts of rabbits for sure...
Also, Sayid was shot in Berlin. Is Ben in Berlin? It sure seemed unlikely, I got the impression that Sayid's boss was elsewhere, considering he had been seen golfing in the Seychelles.
Also thought it was interesting that Ben sought out the advice of Juliet, a genetic specialist but not a surgeon and Jack a back surgeon and listened to everything they said as if he knew nothing about medicine himself. Last night when he extracted Sayid's bullet, he certainly seemed familiar with medical procedure and bed side manner.

My question is this:
JUST WHAT EXACTLY IS REAL ABOUT BENJAMIN LINUS?
-now he's got a zillion passports and the Swiss one we saw has the name Dean Moriarty
-he knows medicine but acted like he didn't on the island
-he fabricated the whole Henry Gale story as if it were real
-told Alex she was his daughter
-SO MUCH MORE!

Is Benjamin Linus even his real name?

After a little introspection, Sayid examines Naomi's body and finds a bracelet with the inscription, "N, I'll always be with you. R.G." - i copied that part from you

NOW this is what im thinking...

in the secret room sayid found the initials on one of bens passports was ryan with a with a last name that started with g. ben said he had someone on the boat who could have been naomi. i mean, he hasnt said yet who and just because he said he has someone on the boat doesnt say whether they are dead or alive right now...

far fetched a little bit maybe, but worth a shot

I'm not enjoying seeing how our losties turn out in the flashfowards. Would love if at the end of the series they all find some kind of peace.

After a little introspection, Sayid examines Naomi's body and finds a bracelet with the inscription, "N, I'll always be with you. R.G." - i copied that part from you

NOW this is what im thinking...

in the secret room sayid found the initials on one of bens passports was ryan with a with a last name that started with g. ben said he had someone on the boat who could have been naomi. i mean, he hasnt said yet who and just because he said he has someone on the boat doesnt say whether they are dead or alive right now...

far fetched a little bit maybe, but worth a shot

sorry for my thing coming up twice oops...

i could be wrong about the name thing. im in class right now so i cant check the play back, but i really could have sworn the name on the passport was a r.g. name.

I didn't know it was Ben until he started talking, then I knew. When he asked Sayid if he wanted to protect his friends or not...do you think he's talking about the other Oceanic 6 or the friends that are perhaps still on the island? Also, did you notice that Elsa had on the same bracelet as Naomi?

Great post as usual Daniel!

I love the flash forwards. This show is able to evolve constantly, and we never know what's going to happen next!

I love the theory stated above that Kate is speaking of Ben in her famous quote. Wouldn't it be great if all our Losties that make it off island (Oceanic 6 or not) are under Ben's control. He is the mastermind! Ben is the most awesome bad guy ever!

Small point to LOST in TEXAS above: Elsa and her boss were not speaking Russian, but German. Sayid was in Berlin when he met Elsa. He was probably still in Berlin when he went to see Ben, his wound was fresh.

Naomi couldn't be the 'man on the boat', Ben knows she's dead. Maybe Abbadon?

Guys do you have any idea why Frank told Dan to hang up if he got Minkowski and not Regina when using the phone? This must be significant but I can't figure out why

How did Desmond just waltz up and decide he was going on that chopper so easily and it was accepted? Seemed sorta weird.

Good catch Anniea, thank you-

Ben has a twin brother...

another thing that just popped up.

remember in the flash forward last week when jack when to see hurley and he said he was thinking about growing a beard?

okay now go back to the first flash forward ever...jack had a beard, went to funeral, called kate...kate asked why would i go?

that explains whos funeral (hurley). and she is definitely with ben, there is not a doubt in my mind.

id like to throw this out there...any thoughts on christian (jacks dad)? im positive he is not dead and he is definitely a major player in ALL of this!

Puzzled as well, I thought the twist was different last night. I thought the 'economist' was Ben not Sayid's boss.

I'm also very curious as to what the hidden room was about. Ben had multiple passports, money etc. Why? Is he a secret agent of some sort. I would also assume he can leave the island easily when necessary.

ben does know that naomi is dead, but do you really think he is going to admit that his "informant" is dead? its ben! he will try to fool everyone as long as he can. just because she may be dead doesnt mean he doesnt already have all this information on whats going on.

Anybody notice that in last week's episode (season 3, ep 2), when Hurley goes into Jacobs cabin that the figure (Jacob) inside LOOKS A HELLUVA LOT LIKE JACK'S DAD, DR SHEPPARD?!?!?!?!?!?
(I love the theory that Jack's boozebag dad refuses to die - remember him steppin out behind the bush?)
Anybody else have Jacob/Jack's dad ideas?
ps: I want Sayiid to torture Jacob so bad ...

I googled the name on the passport and go this - "Dean Moriarty is a fast-talking, womanizing product of Denver reform schools who came to New York, improbably enough, to learn to be a writer. Sal idolizes Dean for his cowboy style, his ease with women and his exuberant joy in living. (Dean Moriarty is Jack Kerouac's real-life crazy friend Neal Cassady, and almost everything in this book, as in all Kerouac's books, really happened.)" hmmmmmmm

Yes, Naomi and Elsa had on the same bracelet, so they must work (must have worked) for the same organization, i.e. the people that want Ben. Ben is somehow globe hopping, causing all kinds of inconvenient things to happen for these Economist/R.G./Abbadon people.

To Lost in Texas, they didn't really say it, but because Naomi had a picture of Desmond with her, then I would say that Jack, Sayid, etc. probably felt like he should be one of the firsts to go to the boat. He's also pretty good at kicking butt and handling situations, which will help on the boat. But, that being said, why hasn't he had any "visions" lately about the boat?

Ten bucks says that Frank doesn't stick to the coordinates, and they don't make it to the boat yet. Who knows, I've been wrong plenty of times. It just seems too early to find out who's on the boat. They don't have much fuel in the chopper, but there's probably some on the island somewhere.

One more thing, anyone remember when Dharma dropped all of those supplies on the island during Season 1? How come they haven't done that again? Maybe they only do one drop a year or something. Plus where, and when, did those supplies come from?

I googled "Moriarty" and this was the first link:
Professor Moriarty is a fictional character who is the best known antagonist (and archenemy) of the detective Sherlock Holmes. Widely considered to be the first true example of a supervillain, Moriarty is a criminal mastermind...
his first name is James though. It seems like all the names have some hidden meaning, wonder if this one is important?

So, here's some of my thoughts...I like the direction the show is going, I have faith in the writers, they are brilliant..After this last episode, I definately think Ben is the one in the coffin and that is why Jack is so tore up. Ben is the only one that knows how to get back to the island, and with him gone, Jack can't get back like he wants to. I think Ben will end up as a good guy in all this. We can't see it now, but there is a method to his madness and that's why I think Sayid ends up working for him. I think that the people that came on the island to "rescue" the Losties were there to find Ben and the fact that they happened upon survivors is a coincidence. I don't think they are bad. Obviously they are being kept in the dark about some things. I really hope that Locke doesn't lose it and turn into a complete psycho. He is still my favorite. All you out there that seem surprised at how hot Sayid is...umm hello? Where have y'all been? Personally, I prefer messy, scruffy, island Sayid..Either way though, that man is FINE and always has been..yum

I like that he has a thing for blondes! ; )

Oceanic 6: Jin, Sun, Kate, Sayid, Jack, Hurley. Mark my words. It'll be them.
Kate's "him" from last season in the flashforward is Claire's baby Aaron (why not?). Kate returns, has a trial, Jack helps get her accquitted by testifying that she is a heroine. May not make sense now, but be patient. There's something there.
Remember that Desmond and Juliet, if they come back, were not on Oceanic 815. So 8 could return but we'd still have the 6.
If you recorded The Economist, go back and turn up the volume in the beginning when Sayid is meditating. A little "snore" sound happens right before he opens his eyes and stares at Naomi. Is she really dead? Remember Nikki & Paolo? They weren't really dead, but everyone thought they were.
Naomi's bracelet is a tracking device. Hence the inscription "I'll always be with you." My guess is that this is why Elsa is wearing it later.
Another thing worth noting from last night's ep were two comments between Ben and Sayid. First, remember when Sayid, Locke and Ben were in the barracks together and Sayid said about Ben, "the day I start trusting him is the day I've sold my soul." Well, that's interesting given the ending. Secondly, at the end of the show Ben tells Sayid, "I have a new name for you." Could it be John Latham? the name of the gentleman who died in Jack's flashforward during last season's finale (got the name courtesy of a screencap). The name thing is significant, just don't know how yet.

Has anyone thought that the "HIM" that kate talks about in the first flashforward is Ben? Could it be that she is still on the island but she got preggers and needed to come back to the real world to have her baby??? I mean if the kid was James's kid im sure he would beat ben until he let kate back into the real world ? just a thought

A Couple of New Theories

1. Who are the Oceanic 6? (and who else got off the island). This is highly repetitive of many comments here, but Ben is not one of the Oceanic 6, b/c he wasn't on the plane. Also, Kate may not be one of the Oceanic 6 if she was still on the run and got off with (maybe) Ben's help. This brings up a very interesting quandry. Who else may have got off the island that are not part of the Oceanic 6?

For starters, it could be anyone who was not on the plane. This obviously included Ben, but could also include Juliette, Desmond and any of the Others. Further, if Kate got off but is not one of the "Oceanic 6", who is to say that even more get off the island, but for whatever reason are not identified as a survivor. I personally don't see this happening, at least not a lot, but the writers have given themselves a lot of slack here.

2. The Flashforwards are in the future but do not represent the end (i.e., Season 6) of the show. My guesses not based on anything: I think we are going to see people getting off the island sooner (as in this season), rather than later. That would most likely take us through the end of Season 4. Then Season 5 will focus on off island struggles of the Oceanic 6 and others that get off the island. The theme is shaping up to be those who got off had to make some really bad choices and had to leave some behind, damned to stay on the island. This sets up for a return to the Island to rescue the left behinds and/or to all perish for Season 6.

I think you are wrong about Kate. Kate is one of the Oceanic 6, because somewhere in last nights episode, the showed her getting out of a car, and the someone was saying something like "recoginized everywhere" and then I heard "Oceanic 6". I think it might have been in the previews for next week.

Considering the fact that I just got a masters degree in intelligence and am a total spy nerd, I'm loving every minute of the crazy covert world of "off-the-island." Covert missions to find the island, sayid becoming and international man of mystery... it keeps getting better!! At first I was wary of where the story would go, but I don't think that they are giving too much away. Think about how much more there is to know - yeah they have departed from telling the stories of the Losties, but we know their stories - now we can learn how they all ended up on the plane together - was it by design that they all happened upon the island? How are they connected to the people who came looking for ben? There are so many mysteries still out there and I think the fact that so many huge things are being revealed, i.e. sayid working for ben, means that in reality just the surface is being shown to us now. The inner workings of all these things will slowly unravel I think.

I love it!!!

Minkowski(guy not to talk to on the phone) must be Ben's spy, those helicopter folks know or suspect this

I completely agree with the theory that Jacob finds you, you don't find Jacob. Something my boyfriend brought up that I really liked was I wonder if we go back to the episode where Ben takes Locke to see Jacob, if Ben is just wandering around looking for it (as in he doesn't find it himself) but that Locke actually stumbles on it. I don't remember that episode as well as I should, so I'm wondering if someone remembers how they find Jacob's cabin.

I think the thought that everyone is working for Ben in the outside world is a nifty idea.

For a little bit, I was thinking that Ben is making Sayed kill all the Dharma people who are trying to get back to the island to take advantage of its special nature. Obviously something is cool about the island, but we already know that. I'm still not sure about this, but it does make a lot of sense.

The big problem with Ben having a twin brother is we've seen Ben's birth scene. There was only one baby. And why would the dad abandon the other twin while he brought Ben to the island? Doesn't make sense.

Ok, so the bracelet that Naomi was wearing said "N." Why can't that be Naomi? We only saw that Elsa was wearing the same bracelet, not necessarily the same engraving. Sometimes men with many wives give the same gift, but make the personalization slightly different, it seems special, but you can remember the gift. Or maybe the bracelet signifies some organization they are both a part of. Some awesome hitman organization.

Yeah, they were definitely speaking German.

At first, the main thing that upset me was that Sayed was not with Nadia (one of my favorite love stories ever presented in LOST). But, if time travels faster, WAY faster off the island, could it be so that Nadia is old or even not alive anymore? Maybe it's like the Fountain of Life, this island. Once you're on it, you don't age as quickly. Maybe the reason that it was a 31 minute difference was just because of how little it went off of the island. Maybe the further you go off the island, the most time difference it is. Which explains why the freighter isn't constantly calling them, asking where the heck they are. If they knew going in this weird time difference, it wouldn't weird them out they've been gone.

P.S. If they don't explain the four toed statue, I'm going to smack someone.

love the blog as always, and loved the show last night!! i sort of had a feeling sayid would wind up reporting to ben at some point, although i thought it would happen on the island as opposed to in the future off the island. remember sayid said something along the lines of "the day i trust ben is the day i sell my soul"? that was major foreshadowing for me. perhaps that explains why he is so sad-looking (yet still amazingly hot!!) at the end of the show? he is going back to his torturing/murdering ways to protect his friends (although i'm not sure if it's the oceanic 6 or the people still on the island)... and probably also to protect himself.

The real question about he passports and money in Ben's secret room is "when" are they from. Ben is a time traveler. He's been using a time machine on and off the island for years......

I like the losties pitting themselves against each other. Very "Lord of the Flies" ish. The whole Ben is boss protecting the island was no surprise. In fact, I thought the whole episode was very predictable and somewhat of a letdown. Flash forwards are the new flashbacks, obviously. Gotta say, the flash forward of Sayeed blowing out people's guts sure did beat the flashback of Kate crying over a toy airplane. I wish we could get some answers to the mysteries of the island before we chase more Oceanic 6 rabbit trails. What the heck is the black smoke? Who/what is Jacob?

I noticed Kate in the preview for next week as well...it always seemed that the only one really out to get her was the agent on the plane who died after the crash. This may help explain why she's free in the future. But the theme here seems to be that the Losties lose their redemption and things go downhill when they leave the island, and I have a feeling that when we see a Kate FF, we'll see she's dealing with problems of her own...

I hadn't considered it before, but it makes so much sense that Ben is the one Kate has to get back to...

And I'm jumping on board with Daniel's theory that Ben is really not one of the bad guys. Sayid has too much sense to go to the lengths he's gone to for Ben without good reason. I'm also considering the theory that Sayid is the one on the boat...aside from the obvious questions about whether the Sayid we've seen so far is "future" or "past" or "present" Sayid, it seems possible. Especially since when he saw Naomi's bracelet, it seemed to have more significance to him than when he saw Elsa's, as though he'd seen it before...

i believe Kate is one of the Oceanic 6 because last season's finale, when Jack and Kate meet up in the end and Jack said something like, "you know the golden tickets they gave us to fly anywhere, i have been using those" that means she got those too plus the next week's epi promo shows her as one of the most recognizable people in the world..
oh and anyone considered Elsa working for Mathew Abbaddon?? Naomi and Else both had the same bracelets??

Kate has to be one of the Oceanic 6 bc in the previews for next week you see her surronded by Papparazzi and deemed one of the most recoginzable people in the world.

Also, since now we know that Ben is off the island, maybe he is the guy in the coffin? If he's on and off the island with what we found out about his panic room with all of this identities then what was said about the person that died in the newspaper article is all irrelevant, could be any of his identities.

The Island has a very strong giant magnet...........Does anyone remember the Philadelphia Experiment? How the Navy made the boat disapear by using electricity and magnatism, making the boat disapear.

I was hoping Ben was the one in the coffin that no one went to see :)

I heart Sayid and now everyone knows why!!! OMG! How great was Naveeen in last night's show? This episode was amazing! And not just because of a smoking hot Sayid. I'm starting to love the flash fowards. Pish Posh at all you people who feel the writers are giving too much away. I like it. How many times have you watched a movie or a show only to wish you'd gotten more than a glimpse into the chartacter's lives?
Okay so back to the economist---When Sayid told Elsa her boss was not an economist, I kept thinking of Alvar Hanso. Dunno why, just first name that popped into my head.
At 9:49, you should've seen how wide my mouth was gaped open, and heard the gasp I let out! I was so sure my beloved Sayid had been killed. Also, did anyone find it intersting Ben is operating out of either a vet's office or some type of place that conducts animal experiments.
My favorite moment last night: When Locke brings in the iced tea and says to Sayid, "I thought you might be thirsty." I loved it when Ben replied, I'm thirsty", and Locke completely ignored Ben, poured a glass of tea, sat down and drank it himself. Golden!

and hoping Sawyer was who Kate had to get back too!!!!

I'm wondering how Sam from find815.com fits into all of this? Is he Ben's guy on the boat? Just a thought since Ben has his girlfriend and could've recruited Sam. Since find815.com has been out for weeks now, I'll post the season 4 clues I found.
1. Oceanic phone number, 888 548 0034
2. Penny's phone number, 020 7946 0893
3. Tunisian Newspaper Vol 815
4. Santa Rosa pill bottle
5. Queen's College
Yeah, I don't follow what they are getting at, lol.

Here's something for ya to gnaw on... in a quick run to the grocery store I started thinking about how everyone here thinks the guy in the coffin is Ben. The obituary from last season stated he was some guy with a normal name and no one showed for the funeral.

After seeing Ben's stash of passports last night, its very possible it IS Ben in the coffin. But the coffin is closed. No one attends the service. Is it possible that the service is indeed for Ben, but he's not really dead? He's not in the coffin!?!??!?

Re: Dean Moriarty on Ben's passport... Wikipedia says: "Dean Moriarty is one of the protagonists in Jack Kerouac's novel On the Road. Dean grew up in Colorado with a hobo/bum for a father for whom he searches on many occasions. Dean's fanatic personality races from journey to journey and pulls other people along. His various fixations include drugs, women, intellectualism and finally, his father and family life.

It seems to describe Ben quite well.

I'm at work so I can't check my DVR, but I'm very curious to know if the newspaper that Sayid is holding in the cafe in Berlin has a visible date on it...

Also, some comments on comments:

If Sayid were Ben's "man on the boat", wouldn't the people from the helicopter have recognized him immediately and been like "what are YOU doing here??" I much prefer the idea that it could be Michael, although I doubt that will actually happen...

I love the idea of the Bermuda Triangle vortex! I can see this happening. It would explain so much! And I love the time travel, too.

All this talk of twins is a little ridiculous, I think, and too easy an answer for the writers to fall prey to. Naomi could not possibly have a twin sister on the boat - Miles acknowledged that she doesn't have a sister. Even if she did have one, if she was on the boat he'd know. And Ben's birth was shown, so no twin there. Whoever suggested Kate had a twin, I think you're just getting a little too amped up on twin talk.

If Kate were taking care of Aaron in the flash forward, wouldn't Aaron be one of the Six?

I like the idea that Kate's carrying Sawyer's kid and that this kid is the one she has to get back to.

It couldn't be Hurley's funeral, honestly he wouldn't fit into that size casket. And to whoever said it could be Jack's funeral, hello, Jack is the lone visitor at the funeral. I think it might be Locke's funeral, but I can't explain why. But Jack would definitely have to go to Locke's funeral, if only to make sure he's dead. Which he didn't, since he never opened the casket, but still. And since Locke is so desperate to stay on the island I think it's fair to guess he doesn't get to stay there.

I miss Ecko.

And finally, on a minor note, I think the reason they've been hiding Sun is so when she shows up again next week they can make her look significantly more preggers and pass it off as "time." At least I hope so because I miss Jin and Sun and they'd better not be demoting them to the B team.

to "Lost in Texas", stay w/us man!! You're way more appreciated over here!!!

Oh and one more thing:

If the helicoptor pilot guy whose name I forget managed to land the 'copter perfectly (i.e. "what kind of pilot do you take me for??") then how in sam hill did he get all messed up and bloody? Bad editing?

re: Dean Moriarty. Yes I know that Wikpedia lists the Kerouac reference but plunge alittle deeper and you get this too:

Professor Moriarty is the grandfather of Dean Moriarty. Professor Moriarty is Sherlock Holmes arch-nemesis. Read what else I found...

Holmes described Moriarty as follows:

"He is a man of good birth and excellent education, endowed by nature with a phenomenal mathematical faculty. At the age of twenty-one he wrote A Treatise on the Binomial Theorem, which has had a European vogue. On the strength of it he won the mathematical chair at one of our smaller universities, and had, to all appearances, a most brilliant career before him.

But the man had hereditary tendencies of the most diabolical kind. A criminal strain ran in his blood, which, instead of being modified, was increased and rendered infinitely more dangerous by his extraordinary mental powers. Dark rumours gathered round him in the University town, and eventually he was compelled to resign his chair and come down to London..."

In addition, it also says of Moriarty:
Moriarty is something of a Mafia Godfather; he protects nearly all of the criminals of England in exchange for their obedience and a share in their profits. Holmes, by his own account, was originally led to Moriarty by the suggestion that many of the crimes he perceived were not the spontaneous work of random criminals, but the machinations of a vast and subtle criminal ring.

Sounds a lot like the Ben we know, doesn't it?

Reagrding people not aging on the island, I just don't know where to go on this. On one hand, Richard Alpert (Nester Carbonell), who we really know nothing about except for Ben calling him one of the islands "original inhabitants," doesn't age at all. However, Ben has aged, Alex has aged, and Sawyer's hair has grown incredibly for only a three month span. So, I'm not sure where to go with the time passing slower on the island idea. Unless there's a fountain of youth that Alpert knows about, or he's Jacob, dead, or some other "not real" person.

I know, I know, this doesn't have much to do with this last episode, but I still wonder!!!!

I am sure someone else has said this before, but Sun & Jin are 2 of the Oceanic 6. They were on the flight sitting behind Jack in the finale last year during Jack's flash forward.
I loved last night's episode - it blew me away that Sayid was working for Ben.

The next Lost is Kate-centric so its prob her flashforward of how she got off the island. I think the he she was talking about his her son from her and Sawyers "realtions". I think thats why she HAD to leave the island because if she didnt she would die like every other woman that got pregnant on the island. Juliet and Ben both thought "Austin" was pregnant. Ben is usually right

I agree with Jen in Jersy and Melody- Kate is at the center of the paparazzi storm in previews for next week so one can assume she is part of the Oceanic 6. I noticed the bracelets and Ben. Did you guys think, when Desmond mentioned Penny Widmore Frank looked at Daniel and then said no that they know more than they are saying- like they know daddy Widmore? And I'd really like to hear what Jack was saying to Milo in the background at the beginning when we were focused on anther conversation. Bummed about Hurley setting up Sayid and Locke is going off his rocker. Sorry I know Locke is sacred around here. I really liked the episode, all this season actually. Can't take much more WTF.

Lost in Texas - if Ben was a KGB spy my life would be complete. haha. I love that idea!!

Also - person who said that Kate was getting back to Ben - LOVE IT.

I don't think Kate would have to get back to Aaron or another baby/kid. Why would she leave it alone and not bring with? I believe it's someone that has some kind of hold over her.

Got this on Lostpedia. Interesting:

# Elsa's employer may prefer to use a pager because they are more reliable than cell phones, e.g. why Doctor's still use pagers.
# The english translation of her german telephone call is: "Hi! What are you doing?You were supposed to call me at 10:30 not at 10:00." In the subtitles the "not at 10:00" was removed. Obviously the intention of the authors was that the pager rang 30 minutes too early, not as mentioned by several people too late.

* Could the call coming 30 minutes to early have to do with the 30 minute time difference from the island? If the call was from the island, the callers time might be 31 minutes ahead of actual time?

Please oh please don't let this all boil down to time travel mumbo jumbo that lets people be in two places at once. Puke my guts out. I can play along with the island being slower than the rest of the world, but that doesn't equate to "time travel" and being able to run into yourself. If Sayid leaves the slow island and catches up to the world, how does he arrive before himself? C'mon.

I think the "HE" Kate had to get back to in the season finale was BEN! Ben is somehow able to hide the people who do not want to be known as alive when they return; in other words, he now controls many of their lives both on and off the island.

Does anyone else hope that, after everything happens in the flash forwards, at the very end of the series, they all go back to the island and live happily ever after?

The island is slower time. Might help explain why Walt was bigger, especially if he left and came back some how. May somehow help explain why Richard didn't appear to age. but doesn't explain why/how Ben aged.
Someone help explain Desmond's visions in all these new theories????

Kate has to be one of the "6" b/c in the preview for next week's episode, they show her trying to hide her face from the paparazzi, and they say "she has the most recognizeable face in the world"..... Why does no one else think that Micheal is Ben's "man on the boat". He obviously had to repay Ben for letting hima nd his son go... Am I crazy?

Hahaha, I could agree more with you, 'i_heart_sayid', the ice tea scene was the best moment of the show, "i'm thirsty!" Ben was suprisingly sassy for a badly beaten, possibly dehydrated man.

If Ben is a time-traveler, then he would know a way to take others with him - like Sayid. It could be that the "Oceanic 6" WERE the only survivors on the island - everyone else dies. However, if Ben can take Sayid back in time, to before the freigher even left the mainland, maybe this was actually a flashback of a flashforward. Sayid is killing those responsible for the attack and killing of his friends. By killing the bad guys before the attack, the Losties are not killed. Nah, too obvious. God, I love this show.

My husband thinks the people from the helicopter (minus the pilot) are children of Jack, Sun & Jin and one other person (from the future). The guy with the power to hear ghosts has the power becuase he was conceived by Sun & Jin on the island. He thinks that is how they are tied in and it has to do with the time travel thing. Hmmm....

To LOVEMYTIARA- I believe that they will all go back to the island. I believe that all other losties (except for the 6) are on the island and the 6 will figure out that they have to go back. I think by the time the show shows them being rescued, they will have all figured out in the flash forwards that they have to go back, and they have to go back together. (Which is why Jack can't seem to be on a plane crash no matter how hard he tries)

Nan, something you said caught my attention, "everyone else dies." Charlie's visit to Hurley in a flash forward came to mind immediately. When Hurley said "you're dead" Charlie said "yes, but here I am." I am totally paraphrasing but....hmmmm....

I'm a broken record, but I'm convinced Michael is Ben's man on the boat.

I also think the vortex concept is the most likely, and that the island is a portal. It explains A LOT, including possibly how Locke's dad was brought to the island.

I have a feeling Ben, and Ben's cause, will become more sympathetic as time goes on. We'll realize that his methods really were to protect. I think think he's easily characterized as "good" or "evil", just like the other losties.

My prediction is that Kate is one the Oceanic 6, and that in exchange for her silence (and possibly skill as a killer??), a deal is made to allow her to avoid jail time.

Remember the 2nd episode ever, where Locke explains backgammon and how one side is "light" and the other "dark"? I think that will turn out to be a major theme, and a big clue as to who people are. No one is all good or all bad, I feel they're trying to say. People who appear "bad" (Ben) may have good motives, just like people who appear "good" (Jack) can be capable of doing very bad things (like trying to murder Locke).

Melody - I think you are right. It makes the most sense.

I wonder if possibly if Ben has a twin?
I know his mother died during childbirht, but the whole truth may not be known there. and that's who is on the boat..his twin?
I dunno justa thought.

Melody, I agree with you, too. The I think the end of the series will be the Oceanic 6 (and maybe Desmond) going back to redeem themselves.

if Ben can get, of all people, Sayid to work for him, then it's entirely possible that Michael is Ben's man on the boat. But how would Michael explain himself? He couldn't have said he survived the plane crash, right? And would the boat people trust him with too many details? I'm thinking there it's someone "in on" the mission.

I thought this episode rocked! The Miles/ Jacob theory makes total sense. I like your theory about some people getting off island yet not being part of the O6. So far we have Jack, Hurley, Sayid, Kate? Ok, there we have four, but last year when Jack was zig zagging the world to try to crash again weren't Jin and Sun behind him on the future plane flight? So, doesn't that cover all 6? Wouldn't they be most likely to leave with the whole pregnancy thing? Other thing, Hurley mentioned needing to go back to the island, after Jack loses it he mentions it and Ben sends Sayid on his missions b/c it is the only way to keep his friends safe. Is the Locke posse being held on island? Just a bunch of random thoughts...

Maybe Kate and Sawyer get of the island. Back in the states, he takes the murder rap for her (because he loves her), she walks free. Sawyer hopes eventually they will be together. Too far fetched?

B??????????? REALLY?????????????? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?????????

Obviously I had a different take on this one. I'll just leave it at that.

Am I the only one who got the Lawnmower Man joke? Daniel that was great!

Time has to flow differently on the island. If it has only been two or three months. Aaron, the baby, would not be as big or developmentally capable, also Sun would barely now be finding out she was pregnant.

A previous CS Lewis comment sparked this idea, also seeing the enhance episode of "Confirmed Dead", I realized when Charlotte asked about the baby being born on the island and seemed sort of trying to figure out how that could be. Because Aaron would still be rather infantile as opposed to say more like a 6 or 7 month old.

there has to be SOMETHING that ties the freighties to the losties, they all (except i think miles) had some strong reaction to the plane being found in the ocean. can it just be coincidence the pilot just happened to be on this mission that lands on the island of the survivors? and he didn't even seemed surprised they were there.

i think michael could be ben's man, i never really thought ben would let michael and walt go completely free, especially when walt was supposedly this super-special kid that was so important to the island.

I think the money in Ben's back room was old currency from before the Euro. Did anyone who DVR'ed or TIVO'ed Lost catch that? Charlotte is the only one of the four "rescuers" who had a bullet proof vest, so I think she was Ben's spy and when he shot her it was a ruse. Also, whoever said Sun and Jin are sitting behind Jack in the ff is wrong based on other comments of someone who watched that episode several times.

I disagree with the Kate is not one of the Oceanic 6. The previews for next week show her getting tons of pictures taken, wearing sunglasses, and something about being famous from the wreck. So obviously the public knows she is one of the six. Unless.....the "public" finds out later - she could have been rescued with the others, but slipped away before she was accounted for by the people in the real world. So maybe next week she is found out - making it the Oceanic 7. That could be interesting......

I haven't read through the whole chain, but did anyone call the number from the news story about the plane crash - the one provided in last week's episode? The recap of last week's episode that aired just before this week's episode referenced (in the subscript) calling the number for information about the flight.

Did anyone watch the enhanced repeat of last weeks episode? It had little comments about the show every so often. I found it very interesting. I found the comment about the scene where Daniel was crying watching the footage of the wreckage of the Oceanic 815 interesting. It said that the woman talking to Daniel was his caretaker, not his wife. Why does he need a caretaker???

Anyway, about last night's episode. First off, Sayid is looking smoking hot off the island. Wow, what a brush can do :-)

It is one of those episodes that I really need to watch again, I have so many questions.

I think that Michael is on the boat as the spy and that he is going to be one of the oceanic 6. Just a hunch.

I also wonder if Miles is the son of the dharma guy in all the training videos. he was so angry about finding Ben, It seemed personal, like he wanted revenge, just an idea. He even looks like him. My son thinks that all the helicopter people are connected to the original Dharma group somehow.

I cannot wait to find out how it is explained that the Oceanic 6 made it out of the plane alive, since they cannot explain their survival on the island.

Is anyone else liking John Locke less and less???

I loved last night's episode. This season has been awesome so far.

Yes the island has slower time. If you read about Alvar Hanso on the Lostpedia site, it explains how he knows the Valenzetti (?) Equation, proclaiming the extinction of the human race. He forms Dharma to experiment in time and other sciences to prolong human existence.

The sequence of numbers (yes, the numbers) are the Valenzetti Equation and the Dharma researchers objective is to manipulate and try to change the numbers, thereby saving the world.

The Lostpedia explanation of Hanso also goes on to say that he ran the Tour d'stad when he was approximately 100 years old and seemed much younger. He has achieved the fountain of youth on the island (explains Richard not aging) and the time slowing on the island.

i wasn't really convinced that it was michael on the boat but now i'm thinking you all might be right...if ben sent him off on the heading to get through the vortice then it makes sense that he and walt could have ran into the freighter and got picked up and interrogated? maybe it was ben's plan all along and the only reason he let michael go. that would explain why he's working for ben again.

Quick! Somebody go back and refresh my memory. Is the episode where Kate goes to the safe-deposit to pick up a toy plane a FAST FORWARD?

Why else is she crying over a plane? If its a flashback she hasn't experienced the plane yet!

This raises questions... how many of the 'flashbacks' were indeed, 'flashforwards'?

Also, in the Lostpedia explanation of Hanso, they give the text to his Dharma Initiative Video where he says that only a few will know anything about their mission and that food drops and supplies will continue in perpetuity...

“

I'm Alvar Hanso. If you are watching this film, you already know and have worked with Gerald and Karen DeGroot, founders and masterminds of the DHARMA Initiative.

By now, you also know there are many research goals for our joint venture. What you may not know, is why we have assembled the DHARMA Initiative, why we have assembled the greatest minds in the world and given them unlimited funds and access.

As with all you've already been told, you are bound by your honor and commitment to keep what you are about to hear a secret.

In a few weeks, after your induction counseling and survival training, you and your colleagues will be shipped to a top secret facil[ity...] The precise location of the facility is known only to myself, the DeGroots, and the few high ranking members of my organization. Why all the security, all the secrecy? The answer is simple: Your research is intended to do nothing less than save the world as we know it.

In 1962, only thirteen years ago, the world came to the brink of nuclear war. The United States and the Soviet Union almost fulfilled the promise of mutual assured destruction. A promise they continue to foster through a destructive Cold War. After the Cuban Missile Crisis, both nations decided to find a solution. The result was the Valenzetti Equation. Commissioned under the highest secrecy, through the U.N. Security Council, the equation is the brainchild of the Italian mathematician Enzo Valenzetti. It predicts the exact number of years and months until humanity extinguishes itself. Whether through nuclear fire, chemical and biological warfare, conventional warfare, pandemic, over-population... The results are chilling, and attention must be paid...

Valenzetti gave numerical values to the core environmental and human factors in his equation: 4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42. Only by manipulating the environment, by finding scientific solutions to our problems we will be able to change those core factors, and give humanity a chance to survive. Although the equation has been buried by those who commissioned it [STATIC] panic. It has always been my belief that we ignore warnings at our own peril; and thus, the DHARMA Initiative was born.

DHARMA is an acronym for Department of Heuristics and Research on Material Applications. It also stands for the one true way. [STATIC] ...and through your research, you will help human... [STATIC].

We have constructed several stations on the island, underground laboratories with the facilities you will need to do your research, with optimal expediency...all of the support you will need, including regular medicine and food drops will be made in perpetuity.

A radio transmitter has also been erected on the island broadcasting in a frequency and encryption known only to us. The transmitter will only broadcast the core numerical values of the Valenzetti Equation. When, through your research, you manage to change the numerical value of any one of these factors, when you have created through science the [inaudible] ... We will know that the one true way has been found.

That is the work to which you have committed yourself. Change the core values of the Valenzetti Equation, and you will change the course of destiny. The fate of the human race is in your hands.

Thank you and namaste.

didn't kate get all emotional about the little plane cuz her childhood pal put it in that time capsule and then got killed while kate was trying to evade the cops?? she was probably feeling guilty.

The plane was so important because it was her old boyfriends. I cannot remember why he had it, but when he was killed, she grabbed it out of his car, right??? It reminds her of him. She had it on the island, it was in her baggage. Remember, she had to dig up the agents body to get his key so that she could open up the box it was in?

I stand by my therory that Jack's dad is alive. And I have proof. In the first episode of this season in one of the flashfowards Jack tells the new doctor that he can fire him(Jack) if he gets his father and he's(again Jack) drunker than him(his father). Hah! I was right! If so, where is he now and what does he have to do with the rest of the season?

I looked up the name Minkowski since character names seem to have such significance in the show and this came up:

Minkowski's seminal idea was to view space and time as forming together a single four-dimensional continuum or manifold, known as space–time, rather than two distinct entities. In normal three-dimensional geometry, any point in space can be identified by three coordinates. The analog of this point in three-dimensional space is an event localized both in space and time in four-dimensional space–time.

It goes on to say that this influenced Einstein's theory of relativity:

The special theory of relativity (1905) developed from Einstein's acceptance that the speed of light is the same in all reference frames, irrespective of their relative motion. It deals with non-accelerating reference frames, and is concerned primarily with electric and magnetic phenomena and their propagation in space and time.

This information seems relevant, especially with Daniel's experiment, his comment about the light, and all of the other anomalies occurring on the island.

Ok. I have to say the people that are saying the writers are giving too much away are wrong. First off we only have a few episodes left AND we don't know what else is going to happen so I don't think they are giving too much away.

I have to agree with whomever said it is a vortex or triangle.

I seriously flipped out when I saw sayid working for ben. I never even thought his boss was him.

I am so excited for next week. I don't think I can wait till Thursday. Oh, and watching the first episode from last week with the bubbles proves to confirm a few things we all talked about. I higher recommend it!!!

I much prefer the idea that it could be Michael, although I doubt that will actually happen...

i forgot who said that and i know other people are going back and forth but think about it...
episode 8 is michael-centric. how eles would we bring him back in the show?

I don't know if this has been brought up in today's blog or previous ones, but my take on "the Oceanic 6" is not that only 6 people make it off the island, but that 6 people are somehow connected (ie through working for Ben as is appears Sayid is). Others make it off as well, but fade back into their pre-crash existence.

Forgive me if I'm late to the party on this, but I just re-watched the first 3 episodes from this season and noticed Harold Perrineau's (Michael) name in the opening credits of each episode. So even if he doesn't end up being the one on the boat, it seems like we will be seeing him somewhere, sometime soon.

I believe Richard is a decendant of the Black Rock Ship crew and is also a time traveler..going back and forth just like Ben.

Hey first time writer but heres my 2 cents, on the lost season 4 promo poster (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:Lost_season_4_poster.jpg) the light is shown on 6 people, jack, kate, sayid, ben, hurley and the last one is claire, so far weve seen all 5 with the exception of claire and in the water it shows the number 6 , i know people have gone through this already but that means in this whole season those 6 people will be the only ones revealed in this season , the six in the light, and out of those 6 only 5 of them were actually on flight 815 so i wonder who will be the last one...

IT CAN NOT BE MICHAEL ON THE FREIGHTER!! The inside man has to be someone with intel experience who dug up all the info on the Freighter Tots PRIOR to the mission and was "chosen" to be on the mission by Abbadon. This was a secret mission orchastrated by a very secretive org, how in the world would Michael wrangle all this info out of them?! Or better question, WHY would they be so forthcoming on important details and how would Micheal relay the intel to Ben?!... I think Micheal plays some other pivitol role that has nothing to do with being a mole.

A better question to ponder than who's the inside man on freighter is what the hell did Charlotte mean when she said "I have work to do..." (when asked by the pilot if she was going back to the freigheter)

In the previews for next week, is Kate in the spot light for being one of the six or has the law finally caught up to her, and she is on her way to court and/or jail? How far in to the future is the flash forward, I think that will tell. Also isn't any one feeling a little "off" about Ben showing medical aid to Sayid? Does that mean the whole surgery was set up, he was never in any grave danger, they "created" the tumor to test Jack, he did wake up during the surgery and in NO PAIN?????? Weird!!

I think when Hurley saw Jacob's cabin, Miles was inside and looked out through the window at him. Was Jacob warning Hurley about Miles and co.?

All Michael had to do was to send their names to Ben and the "others" and they could have dug up all the personal info. Ben is a very resourceful man. For all we know, Ben has one of the "phones" that all the freighter people have. Michael could have been headed to that freighter when he left the island, posing as a lost boater needing rescue. He already betrayed his friends and killed a woman for Ben, who knows what else he was willing to do to save Walt. I have come to realize that nothing is too far fetched with LOST.

In an interview with Evangeline Lily, when asked who the "him" was that she had to get back to, she would admit that "he" was either (1) Sawyer or (2)a child. Of course she was't allowed to say which one. So, no, it isn't Ben.

Nice work Lost in Texas, you're investigations are great! However, about the toy airplane that Kate gets during the bank robery scene, that had to be a FlashBACK, because I remember the Marshal saying something about putting the plane in the safe-box as bait, to lure Kate to it. Like some other people have said, she's crying because it was her friends treasure that he put in their time capsule.

Mekjek: Yes Ben IS a resouceful man...and always 20 steps ahead of everyone else. I think Ben has known about the frighter for a quite a while and he planted someone a long time ago. I think that is why he had the two gals in The Looking Glass station block all incoming and outgoing signals...remember Mikhail was suprised to see the two women because they were supposed to be "on assignment in Canada"? I think Ben has known about the the threat and deployed people ahead of time....or I can be completely WRONG...wouldn't be the first time!!

my BF was about to have orgasm over the times being different... which didn't really matter too much to me.

anyhow i think they're losing their magic in little ways

I don't believe sayid would be a hit man. I mean he always seems so sad when people die and regrets what he had to do in the war.

and when sawyer said he should shoot off his big toe i was like "becauseo you'd have to carry him," you can't walk with out toes. then john was like "because we'd have to carry him!"

i just don't like to be able to call out things before they happen.

I saw the actor who plays Michael on a TV interview show last week and he said he will be back on this season, but wouldn't say any more. I think he is Ben's "man on the frieghter". Ya think???

long time reader, first time poster (except for last night, when i sent in "OH MY GOD"). i have to admit, i didn't like this episode at first. i thought, "oh wonderful, they're making sayid an assassin in the future." like how much he changed on the island no longer mattered. but when the first man he killed got freaked out when he learned sayid's identity (one of the Oceanic 6), i started thinking, ok, well, is he scared because sayid has become an infamous assassin, or is it something greater? at the end, i had figured out Ben was his boss, and my heart almost stopped. i didn't think this whole episode was that spectacular, but the more i thought about what happened, what they discovered, and the ending, i realized that this episode will have residual effects. the time delay, the bracelet, ben's secret room, sayid and desmond have left the island, etc. i feel like this episode changed everything, made it all open, and proved that what we think we know, we don't. we have seen where they were before the island (which i do believe is physically real, not VR, purgatory or someone's dream), where they are on the island, where they will be off the island - but i don't think we've seen the end, and we certainly haven't seen everything about getting off the island.
my husband and i sit around and talk about predictions, but i don't like saying for sure who i think makes it off, who is in the casket, who kate has to get home to (and she is definitely one of the 6, next weeks promo said "one of the most recognizable faces in the wold" "one of the oceanic 6")(oh, and sun and jin were NOT on the plane with jack in the finale's FF, go back and watch - def. not them). i know what i don't think will happen, but i'm not sure i think WILL happen. these episodes this season have been really great. they're teasers, giving us hints at where they are going, but not really revealing anything. i enjoy reading people's theories and ideas, but i think a lot of them are way off base and some ignore a lot of details that we have been given. last week someone mentioned "Occam's razor" (sorry for misspelling), which suggested keeping to the simplest ideas and theories. i think there's something to that, and that's how i like to approach LOST (i give all theories a lot of consideration, though - who doesn't?). all in all, this season has lived up to my expectations, we aren't learning too much, not by a long shot. my only regret is that it will be cut short.

oh, and someone mentioned the find815.com guy could be the mole on the freighter because ben has his fiance, BUT his fiance's name is Sonya and the flight attendant's name is Cindy. so not him. he's on the Christian I (the ship that "found" 815 in episode 1 this season), not the freighter.

OK...wow, where to start.

Theory first. Magnetism, the Vortice theory, and timespace all play a role in the Island. This is pretty much a given considering the significance of the various names we have been given and what they relate to. Also because of the knowledge we have about the Island (i.e. - the magnetism, the time difference with the package from the experiment). There may not necessarily be a difference in how fast time runs betweem the Island and the real world, but in traveling between the two, through timespace/magnetic vortice, the time it takes to get from one to the other is altered (i.e. - you get "held up" in timespace, the 4th dimension, when going back and forth, causing a time delay. This accounts for why communications between the Island and freighter are in real time, but the package arrived later. The magnetic field and the "tear" in the fabric of timespace cause the Island to remain hidden, unless you know the proper bearing/coordinates to get there.

This could also account for why Ben has aged and Richard seemingly hasn't. If Ben leaves the Island he experiences a jump in spacetime, which could speed the aging process. Richard, on the other hand, stays on the Island, so he doesn't age as rapidly. However, it seems unlikely Ben was leaving the Island as a child, and he aged normally while he was there. Richard may have been leaving the Island, thereby causing his aging to progress more slowly. It seems that the Others knew more about the Island's properties than DHARMA did, so this could explain why Ben joined them.

As far as Kate being one of the six, i think that is confirmed. The previews last week said we found out who the fourth member of the 6 is, which is Sayid. So there were already three (Jack, Kate, Hurley). She is free because of the OJ factor. No jury would convict her after her return due to her celebrity status and what she went through. She had a sob story and would make a sympathetic witness (can't you just see her crying to the jury on the witness stand???)

I didn't like Michael as the man on the freighter, but I could now see how it might be plausible. If Sayid turns to the Ben Side, then Michael could also have been convinced to "help" his friends by infiltrating the freighter. Though I still think that questions exist as to how. Why would they have just accepted him? How would he relay info to Ben? Why not just tell them the bearing and have them get help? (Unless Ben convinced him they were no good and conspired to down Flight 815 and wanted to kill all the survivors). I'm up in the air on this one still.

During the course of the show Sayid became my new favorite character. He was kicking ass and hunting down people that seemed shady and all was good. Then he was revealed to be working for Ben. And I lost a lot of respect for him. Am I REEEALLLLY supposed to believe that either a) Ben is the good guy, or b) Ben has THAT much pull so as to have Sayid do his dirty work? I don't like it. I wanted him to be working for Christian Shepard or some crazy shit. I don't know. Just not sure how I feel about Ben being the mastermind OFF the island as well as on it. Is Ben Jacob?? I don't know.

And a question. So chopper pilot tells Daniel to hang up on Minkowski. Is Minkowski Ben's guy? How would they know? But more importantly, why did he seem to know about the survivors when Jack first called him, and Daniel seemed to know about them when he first saw Jack and Kate (and so did Miles I think), but Charlotte seems to be fascinated by the survivors, and seems shocked that they are there and that Claire was able to have a baby on the Island? Why is Charlotte so awestruck (like she was when she found the polar bear and collar) and why does she not know what Ben looks like when she sees him but Miles has a picture? Interesting.

I have only read a couple of posts so far, but after last nights episode isn't it obvius that in last seasons finale, Kate was referring to Ben. "I better get back, he'll be looking for me." I mean it seems to me like Ben has control over the Oceanic 6 b'c they do not want Ben to hurt the rest of them left on the island...

Don't know if anyone has posted this yet... Look up Minkowsky (first name Hermann) on Wiki - in short, a German Scientist who had a theory on relativity. Time and space are not seperated. They are intermingled in a four dimensional space-time. back to the whole space time continuium thingie...

So, on the question of who's in the coffin; Did the coffin appear to be too short for a normal adult? My estimate is the coffin was about 6 feet long. Leave room for a few inches of interior padding, and a few inches of head/foot room, and you have a corpse of about 5 feet long.
Call me crazy. I'm not sure who was that short.

so Minkowsky is a German name? maybe somehow related to Elsa's employer being German??

alright, i have to ask this, because some people touched on it, but no one has answered it:

on last week's show, miles calls the freighter when jack gives him back the phone. regina answers and miles asks for minkowsky, but she says he can't talk. miles gets frustrated and it seems he REALLY wants to talk to minkowsky. (i'm pretty sure he tells her to have him call him when he can.) then in this epi, frank tells dan to hang up immediately if minkowsky answers. can anyone explain this? why the sudden turnaround? is it just more support that the four "rescuers" were told different stories? it just seemed significant...

The island is the fountain of youth....period. By being on the island you essentially travel back in time, and return to the real world in an earlier time. They will return prior to their departure on 815.

That's why Charlie is both dead and alive.

The Oceanic 6: Jack,Kate she had to get back to Him..who is Sawyer,she spoke to Jack as if Jack knew who "him" was Sawyer,Hurley,Sayid..and the Dog...I tried and now i have given up...don't know..the economist is Penny no Ben...MY,,MY,,,MY those writers..Just how do they do it..Please will someone give them an award..Please

Thank you, Lost in Texas, for advising TMZ readers to visit this website. I felt "Lost" reading the comments over there...one would think those commentators never watched the show!

The commentary here is a refreshing change!

Thanks to Daniel, too! I've been catching your diary on TMZ for quite a while; look forward to it each week. I think I'll just check you out here moving forward.

I'll probably lurk a while...maybe post some thoughts later.

was thinking about jacob's cabin and why locke couldn't find it, and why hurley saw it somewhere else. remember when ben told john, "only i can find him" or "only i know how to get there" (something to that effect). maybe the cabin is not an actual physical location. we've already entertained the idea that jacob is a spirit (perhaps inhabiting a certain dr. shepherd's body), so why not the cabin as well? only certain people are able to see it and jacob, which would explain locke's and benry's surprise at hurley's ability to see it. and why ben said he was the only one who could take locke to see it. just a thought...

Lost in Texas! your theories are the best! I'm completely on the same page with you...

someone last week - and this week too - asked why the pilot would be banged up if he landed the helicopter. well, just because he landed it doesn't mean it was a smooth landing. would have been bumpy, especially since they were going down. everyone bailed but him. that means they were going down faster than they needed to be, which means the landing would have been rough. maybe he hit the dash or the roof. point it, he landed it, but he kinda crash-landed it.

are the comments congratulating Lost in Texas on being the best written by Lost in Texas using different names? mmm...there's a mystery. and sorry tmz writers bother you

A.G. = Allen Ginsberg thats my thoughts. There is a book On the Road which talks about 2 people Dean Moriarty and Allen Ginsberg in the book it says Dean (light) while Allen is (dark). So Ben is really good, oh what a twist that would be. Sayid is working with Ben to keep the Losties that stayed on the island safe. Pennys dad might be A.G. I agree that Kate might have gotten off the island anyway with Ben so she might not be one of the 6. This is way I LOVE this show. It keeps me guessing!!!!!!

it's RG, not AG.
Jon - i don't think Charlotte looked shocked when she found the collar on the polar bear. if anything, she almost looked like it was what she expected to find. and she seemed to know exactly what the dharma logo looked like. and the "rescuers" probably weren't so surprised, since jack had already told them that they were the survivors of flight 815. i think charlotte was more surprised that there were so many, and that claire was able to safely have a baby on the island. she also probably didn't want to give up what her mission really was, and therefore pretended not to know who ben was.

I think Sayid is Ben's man on the freighter. (Or will be.) I mean he is obviously Ben's man in the future, and simultaneously they show him flying off to the freighter in the helicopter. Maybe Ben recruited Sayid long before this episode.

For the record Elsa and The Economist were speaking German... Someone mentioned it was Russian in a way earlier posting.

uhmmmm...I'm just glad Lost In Texas gave me a reason to visit this site...His shout out on TMZ made it clear the posts there could not compare. I can read the diary on TMZ, but the comments here give me much more to think about.

this site rocks...and sayid was really hot in this episode

Did anyone notice that Sayid rubbed his hand in some snow after tossing the cell phone in the garbage? He also was doused with water by the sprinklers after killing the guy on the golf course. Any sort of theory on that? Is he trying to wash away his sins?

I thought you always said Ben would ONLY be referred to as Henry Gale in your posts?! Its just not the same when you call him Ben:(

Is it at all possible that this Sayid episode was a flashBACK???

Note to person who commented on Miles being son of Sun and Jin: What a neat idea, however, I believe her baby was conceived OFF the island because she was not sure who the father was, remember? But still, even being BORN on the island, he (her son) could have had special spiritual powers. I have read this entire post and it took forever but IT WAS WORTH IT - ALL COMMENTS AND IDEAS PRESENTED ARE FANTASTIC - some of you guys could be writers yourselves! Thanks to whoever started this post. And don't stop.

Are we ever going to find out the connection between Libby and Hurley? Her story was never finished, IIRC. Any way she could figure in to all of this?

Wow I feel like a celebrity! (well but without the DUI's, papparazzi chases, and 5150 holds in the psych ward!)

I royally pissed off people on the TMZ site but that wasn't my intention. I just think that the total LOST geeks (yes I include myself!) are here on the lostdiary and the ideas aren't as repetitive and they're more original and more complex.

As for my own theories, I am sticking by my Santa Rosa Mental Hospital Theory of long ago, but I have to say that the latest episodes are casting a MUCH different light on the show, and thereby the legs my theory stood on. I truly don't have a clue as to what is going on now!

I'm enjoying the chaos of all of the different threads, its mind-boggling, and aside from trying to catch up on backgrounds on LOSTpedia (try it), I am just along for the ride and enjoying being completely LOST!

(which, btw, its the reason I'm LOST in Texas)...

Jon had a great setup for why Ben aged and Richard didn't, but Richard DID leave the island (and thereby would age by your theory)... Remember, he recruited Juliet away from her researching job, along with Ethan!

In my opinion, I don't they are mixing flashbacks and flashforwards. I think that we have changed to all flashforwards now. I think that most have been obviously in the future and that they wouldn't mix it up with flashbacks. It is a shift in the show. I also believe that we will find out what leads up to them and that there will be an ending beyond the flashforwards. Just my 2 cents.

I enjoyed this week's episode. I like the flashforwards because I don't think they would ever give away too much info, the writers know what they are doing. I like the shift in the show as we are starting our way to the conclusion of the show in the next few seasons. I was not expecting Ben at the end. Great twist. I have heard from someone who works for the show that episode 5 will be really really good.

I don't think anyone has mentioned Desmond's being able to SEE THE FUTURE???? he definitely knows what is going to go down on the boat....

Just wondering about this thought-the initials on Naomi's bracelet were from "RG".
When Miles went to the home of the "deceased grandson" he called the lady "Mrs. Gardner". Is that somehow tied to the "G"? I couldn't recognize the pics on the wall- but you could see some females at a distance-Naomi maybe??

WHAT IF both Sayid and Else were working for Ben? Neither of them knew it, and he basically played them against each other. Else's page was timed so perfectly, and not when she expected it to come - just when Sayid was ready to talk. That would be a pretty unexpected twist, I think. And makes me wonder, who else is really working for Ben and doesn't know it?

Something I've been wrestling with and forgot to ask others... did you think that Elsa was double-crossing Sayid all the while he thought he was double-crossing her? She almost got him to talk and then all hell broke loose- do you think that The Economist knew of Sayid and placed Elsa in his path on purpose? Elsa knew exactly what she was doing, she wasn't some lovesick puppy dog. I think it was all an act to get info on Sayid- whattya think?

One more thing that I was thinking...

Someone WAY back in the comments wondered if Ben had masterminded the WHOLE thing, including handpicking the people who boarded Oceanic 815. I don't know the 'why' for this (obviously, as this would explain the whole show), but in the flashback of Boone and sis going through the metal detectors, it was BEN the security guard that put them through...

He's everywhere!

ok guys, stay with me here. I've been obsessing about this, and coupled with my LOST obsession is my keen interest in quantum physics... neener neener

what did we find out recently?
Faraday and M are quantum physicists.
Dan Faraday, the scientist on the Island, was surprised about the time differential. Also surprised about the light scattering - meaning they didn't know what they were dealing with, really. We also know he cried at teh sight of Flight 815 at teh bottom of the ocean. We know that after his experiment with teh payload, he made CERTAIN to tell the pilot to take exactly the same bearing away from the Island.
Here's my theory:

(I officially take back my theory on VR... too weird and it doesn;t follow Occam's Razor)
The numbers are related to the bearing you need to follow to get to and from the Island. Should you follow a different bearing, you end up in a different time.

The interesting thing about quantum relativity is that it's been proven. See wiki's definition on time dilation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation

I bet the Island has a massive gravitational well, giving it a time differential. I wonder if the reason Desmond had to put in the numbers every 108 min has something to do with the spin of the vortex.. something akin to quasars:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasar

Quasars spin and give off a "blip" on an extremely regular basis - they are more accurate than nuclear clocks! So maybe they had to enter the bearing of the Island in time to the "blip" of the vortex.

This theory follows Occam's Razor... it's science and it's proven(ish). What if everyone is in another time cuz they took different bearings off the Island? And it makes you Coocoo-bananas, making Jack turn into a nutjob, Hurley's back in the madhouse, and Dan needs a caretaker and cries for no reason at something he hasn't seen yet (but really, he HAS!).

Does this make sense? I felt like all this stuff sounded quantum to me, but I don't know if i'm explaining it properly.

Lost in Texas, i feel like you and I are on the same page!

Totally off topic, sorta. How come every time I hear a news story about the mystery surrounding what happened to Steve Fossett, I keep expecting him to show up on the island? Wierd, I know. Perhaps I'm overdoing it on Lost.

ooooh
what if when they stopped putting in the numbers and blew up the hatch, it stopped the food and supply deliveries because they couldn't find the right bearing to get to the Island?

Course, this doesn't really tie in to the quote that LOST in Texas provided; namely, that the numbers are part of the Valenzetti Eq. Does it?

On last week's show, when Miles calls the freighter and asks for Minkowsky, Regina tells Miles that he can't talk right now. HELLO! Wouldn't you think the people back on the freighter would be waiting in anticipation for any info coming back from the island? He's toooo busy to speak to Miles?

Sun's baby was conceived ON the island - remember the ultrasound? that is how we know it is Jin's. Miles as their son - intruiging!

Sayid rubbing his hands in the snow after discarding the cell phone strikes me as something important as well.

As far as Charlotte goes, It appears that she was looking for something at the dig and had an idea as to what she would find. I too believe that the whole "shooting" by Ben was to convince the rest of his team that he didn't know her, she very well could be Ben's informant.

@lostlvr: you're right, that was odd. i thought that Regina sounded totally stressed out. Like there was a "situation" happening over there that she couldn't speak about.

ah crap, i meant pulsars, not quasars....

nevermind. scratch the quasar ref

doh!

CarrieM,
I am no quantum physicist, but let me make a bridge for you that brings together science and religion (!)...

Take an atom, split it down to quarks and split THEM... guess what is there? Absolutely nothing but air. There is nothing there.

So, matter is made up of atoms. Atoms are made up of protons and electrons, when split into pulsars and then split again into quarks, and split once again, the 'heart of the matter' (yes, pun intended) is air.

I have no idea how this plays into the LOST show, and I am an ART GRADUATE not a PHYSICIST! But there are so many religious and scientific references that I'm making the bridge...

It is truly a miracle of creation that everything 'created' is nothing but air at its simplest form!

That said... these creative writer types have some serious brain capacity to weave their minds around some serious science and construct such a mastermind plot. Its sensational...

I am bored. We are under a t-storm warning and stuck in the house. Started investigating...

I thought it was odd how Sayid seemed so concerned about dead Naomi. He is a trained killer. I have a friend who's a Special Op agent for the Navy Seals and these guys are trained to have NO EMOTIONS when it comes to death... why was Sayid so concerned about closing her eyes, putting her on the copter? Then, why did he seem to take such an interest in that bracelet "N, I'm always with you RG"

So, I have been scanning Lostpedia for any initials RG and I came across the Republican Guard (of which Sayid was part of and possibly Naomi, she acted like a military-Navy Seal type bad ass to Abbadon)... is that the connection?

Or...(drumroll)... Ruth, the jilted ex-fiancee of Desmond who was going to marry him until he disappeared and became a monk. It wouldn't make any sense, except that in the references it says that, "In the Bible, Ruth was a young widow who said to her Hebrew Mother in law, NAOMI, "Wherever you go, I shall go also"...same message, same initials...

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i read that someone said that some of the theories they have read here seem way off and dont make sense and were missing all the hints. but its LOST! seriously...theres really no such thing as far fetched if you ask me. ya never know with this show...thats what makes it so great.

ps i know the "size" of the coffin wouldnt match up to hurley, but just go with it.

pps whats with this find815.com and all this christian i ship and bens fiance? that is confusing me ALOT

Another thing is bugging me: Rousseau

I just read up on her and her french recording doesn't jive with her 'story'. The recording says "he killed them, he killed them all"- and then she later tells Sayid and Co that the 'sickness' killed everyone and she killed her husband who was sick...

The recording sounds like she's referring to Ben's extermination of the Dharma. Doesn't it?

Rousseau also says she has never encountered an Other before she captures Henry Gale in her trap. How could she survive 16 years on the island alone and have no contact with them, while the Losties have been there as a matter of moments and Ethan shows up?!?!?

The voice on the recording speaks perfect French. It is shown all over the internet that Rousseau's French is not native French at all... strange, isn't it?

Ben also states that he did not kidnap Alex, he swears he 'took her to raise her'. Interesting that he sees that as a difference.

One more thing... the writers of LOST stated that the importance of the childhood friend of Ben's, Annie, was SEISMIC to the show.

Could Rousseau be Annie?

Sorry if this is a repeat of what anyone else said before, but Minkowski discovered the mathematical physics associated with theory of relativity:
By 1907 Minkowski realized that the special theory of relativity, introduced by Einstein in 1905 and based on previous work of Lorentz and Poincaré, could be best understood in a four dimensional space, since known as "Minkowski spacetime", in which the time and space are not separated entities but intermingled in a four dimensional space-time, and in which the Lorentz geometry of special relativity can be nicely represented. The beginning part of his address[1] delivered at the 80th Assembly of German Natural Scientists and Physicians (September 21, 1908) is now famous:

The views of space and time which I wish to lay before you have sprung from the soil of experimental physics, and therein lies their strength. They are radical. Henceforth space by itself, and time by itself, are doomed to fade away into mere shadows, and only a kind of union of the two will preserve an independent reality
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He died in Germany. I wonder if Sayid's job in Berlin had anything to do with the Lost Minkowski

not ben's fiance! the guy on find815.com - his fiance. and the christiane I is the ship that found 815 (in the epi "Confirmed Dead"), it's also the ship on find815.com.

not ben's fiance! the guy on find815.com - his fiance. and the christiane I is the ship that found 815 (in the epi "Confirmed Dead"), it's also the ship on find815.com. but it's not the name of the freighter. someone earlier said ben could have that guy's fiance - but her name is sonya. we've never heard of any sonya on the island. so that earlier post doesn't make sense. (if it's still confusing, just look up find815.com).
i do like theorizing - i like the ideas about magnetism, and time delay, etc. i just really think the ideas about VR and this whole thing being a dream are far fetched, and i would consider that a "cheat" ending for the show. i would be supremely disappointed.

the fiance was a flight attendant on 815, and someone suggested ben had her. but the flight attendant they have is named cindy.

Loved this last episode of LOST. For the record, Lost in Texas is a wonderful poster. SHE has been posting for a long long time first at TMZ and now over here. I love to read her posts. So BRAVO LostinTexas! Everyone else has great theories also. Daniel has done a great job of bringing us all together to discuss LOST! Can't wait until Thursday AGAIN.

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HELLO... Desmond is the man on the boat.

Naomi+Miles have two pictures, one of Desmond and one of Ben... they are obviously connected.

Kate is obviously working for Ben...

OCEANIC 6 Prediction:
1. Jack
2. Hurley
3. Sayid
4. Sawyer
5. Sun
6. Claire

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bermuda triangle + gilligans island + twin peaks = LOST

I'm feelin' the love! THANKS!;)
See you all on Friday again-

I don't think Micheal could be the man on the freighter. Even if the freighter had came along and picked him up, don't you think they'd be a little bit suspicious of him. I mean he obviously was out there on an afternoon boat ride. I'm thinking it's that Minkowski guy. The heliocopter guy did tell the other guy to hang up if he came on the line.

Originally I thought Ben sent Sayid back in time before the crash to kill off all of the people who are hunting them down on the island so that Ben, the Losties and the Others could live in uninterrupted "peace" on the island. Then I remembered that Sayid revealed himself as one of the Oceanic 6.
But, here is a thought. If time travel is possible from the island, why didn't Ben go back in time and kill the people who are searching for him and the island before they discovered the island existed? For as crafty as Ben is, he could have gone back and killed them all when they were teenagers (long before they made any island discoveries) and made all of the murders look like accidents thus protecting his secret. It seems to me he'd protect the island at all costs if time travel was possible.

One last thought. Why was Ben's bedroom closet completely empty? I would think he'd keep his everyday clothes in that closet and hide his alias clothing, etc in his secret closet. The more often he has to access his secret closet the bigger the risk that someone else would find out about it. Ben's too smart for that.

Here's a link to a band called 'The Others' They do songs about LOST...

http://www.docarzt.com/lost-news/the-others-band-makes-lost-the.php

Maybe not the place to ask this, but here goes. What ever happened to the disease that was supposed to affect people on the island? Remember that Claire was kidnapped with the suggestion that Aaron would be given a vaccine to keep him alive, but there wasn't enough vaccine for Claire. (Weren't they going to kill her? Doesn't sound like the good guys that it looks like they're making the Others into now.) Then Charlie found the vaccine, tested it on himself, and gave it to Aaron to save him. What happened to that whole shtick?

Another interesting point I just read on Lostpedia. In the Bible Aaron is Jacob's great-great grandson.

i agree that a time travel scenario presents a lot of problems. and the experiment that daniel did in the last episode didn't really support time travel, just a time delay. i think this time delay is more significant the farther away from the island you are; so if the freighter is 18 km off shore and has a 31 minute delay, the difference could be days off the farther you go.

Barbara-

i'm ALWAYS wondering about the "sickness"! it seems like such a huge thing to just drop or ignore. and the vaccine keeps coming up...i think we'll get an explanation and it will be revisited sometime soon (i hope).
Lost in Texas - i'm interested in the french thing. is anything else in her message different then? because in spanish the definite article for "it" and "he" is the same - "el". could it just be something like that? that's interesting though...would make her story about the sickness a little fishy. as for her being an other..that's interesting, too. but if she was annie, and ben really is alex's father, then why didn't she die on the island, since all pregnant women die? oh, and if ben said that he didn't kidnap her, maybe they convinced her to give up alex, like they almost convinced claire to give up aaron. possible? once again, so many questions...

love reading eveyone's comments. i think Rousseau, as the adult woman, speaks with a slight French accent. and the child Annie did not. so i doubt same person. although when mom and daughter Alex first approach each other, Ben introduced them so obviously he knew Alex's mother. i read some think Annie is Kate, but Kate seems much younger than Ben to be childhood friends, not sure.

Does anyone else think that maybe Sayid has been Ben's inside guy all along? I thought I heard on one of the promos for the this season that there would be traitor revealed. I'm probably wrong but I thought I would put it out there.

Desmond said he had a vision of Claire getting on a helicopter with the baby and so far his visions are right. So Claire should be one of the O6. Also,the money Sayid found in Ben's secret room looked like the money Charlotte used to pay the guy at the dig site. Maybe Charlotte is Ben's inside person.

Barbara - I find it TOTALLY interesting how you brought up that in the Bible Aaron is Jacob's great great grandson.

The reason I say that is because my boyfriend read somewhere that Jacob is actually Christian's dad. Where that person got that idea I'm not sure, but if you do the "math" Jacob being Christian's dad who is Claire's dad who is Aaron's mom works out to be the great grandson...now we just need to find the missing person between Christian and Jacob. Who could it be? Ben, Richard, Alvar Hanso, one of those guys with a weird background? Or what about that older woman we saw in Desmond's flashbacks?

Another one of my crazy ideas but its worth a shot. Anything is if you ask me.

i also think claire is one of the six, but i don't think aaron counts as one. he'll get off with claire since he's her baby and always with her, but he wouldn't have been counted as on the flight, technically, since he wasn't born yet. he's not on the oceanic manifest, therefore, not one of the O6, but still gets off the island per desmond's vision.
the money is interesting, because we see a lot of different types, when you think about it. locke finds african money on the priest's body in the jungle, claire uses australian money pay the psychic, charlotte uses a different money at the dig site, sun pays off jin's mom, and ben had a lot of different kinds of money in his room. the only thing i really think it suggests on ben's behalf is that he's been off of the island, many times, and has been many different places.
this makes me really question why he keeps telling everyone that it's so hard to get off the island. did mikhail's station blowing up make the travel impossible (since he was the only one able to communicate and get info from the outside world? and how did he do that with the signals jammed?) along with the submarine blowing up? that still confuses me.
i've also read that some people think that annie is kate, and i think one of the main reasons was because she used annie as an alias when she was in australia on the farm. i've heard that annie will play a big role sometime in the future of the show, so i really believe she and kate cannot be the same person. plus, the age difference is way too big.

i have a question that my husband keeps bugging me about - anyone who can help...please do!
daniel's experiment leads us to believe that there is a time difference between the island and the real world. but, after jack asks the pilot if the red sox really won the series, he mumbles, "i can't believe i haven't seen a game in 100 days" (i'm paraphrasing). so, my husband wants to know, if the time was really different, wouldn't the real world be farther along in time (more than 100 days)? and wouldn't the pilot have caught on to that and said something?
he has me stumped, so i countered him and reminded him of something sayid said when they first got the sat phone. he said he had never seen technology so advanced. again, that supports a time difference.
so, i think that jack mumbled it and maybe the pilot just didn't hear him. any thoughts?

As far as the french accent sounding different on the recorded distress signal than Rousseau's accent....I believe that somewhere it was said that the voice on the recording is a different actress because they hadn't hired the woman who plays Rousseau yet. Anyone else remember that? It may have been on the Season 1 bonus DVD. I don't think it means anything that the voice sounds different.

hh - my boyfriend just said maybe the pilot knows about the difference and he doesnt want to/isnt allowed to say anything?

i just looked up the old lady from desmonds flashbacks...ms hawking. wasnt she in another episode? didnt jack see her when he was being escorted out of the station he was being held in?

whats her deal? i kinda want to stick to her being the connection to christian and jacob.

Why can't Kate be famous for killing her stepfather AND surviving the crash. The flashforward next week could be her going to trial. She has never been tried for her crime. The media frenzy would be just like any "celebrity" who has broken the law.

HH-
According to the Lostpedia explanation of Rousseau and the discrepancy with the recording and her story of how her team was killed, they also go on to talk about the differences in her French. I speak spanish too, and its possible that your correct, the
'el' is being used for 'it' and not 'he'... EXCEPT that they go in great detail about Rousseau's French not being perfect and cite several examples... so I was led to believe that they had translated it exactly as it was intended, not as a slip-up... they also went on to say that the voice in the recording spoke perfect French and that Rousseau makes errors in her French that a native speaker just wouldn't make. That raised a red flag to me that she might be 'posing' as French but not be French at all.

I threw that out there about Annie/Kate but agree that ages are too wrong and it doesn't fit. I am on the Rousseau thread now, and have a question.... does anyone know the time line of how long ago Ben gassed the Dharma people? He was shown as being an adolescent or so, wouldn't you agree? Now Alex is 16... Is it possible that Danielle IS Annie and Ben warned her to stay away that day and she came back horrified to find out that he had euthanized a whole village and took off on her own? Which is why she has lived alone for 16 years/ why she steers clear of anything and anyone/ and why its so strange that the Others left her alone for all that time, but the instantly pounced on the Losties?

She could have been pregnant with Ben's child, which is another reason he wouldn't have wanted to kill her, and spared her life... but then took the baby and raised it himself and left her alone...

Now this brings up a question, the mothers dying and unable to give birth... ARE THEY REALLY DYING? MAYBE BEN LETS A SPIDER ON THEM AND PARALYZES THEM and they are 'buried alive' just like Nikki and Paolo. Why would he do this?

Maybe he is acting like a double agent on the island too... he SAYS to the Others that he's bringing Juliet to the island to find out the problem of pregnancy, but we all know that he has no intention of ever letting her off the island. So maybe he knows full well why the Moms can't give birth (b/c he's putting the spider on them to paralyze them and simulate death) so that his own daughter, Alex, is the only 'spawn' of the island...

Back to the sickness too... were there symptoms with the sickness, or did people just ramdomly show up dead? I think its the spider at work again.

Oh well I was wrong, I just shot holes in my own idea about the chicks pregnancies... I think. Remember Richard showing Juliet x-rays of the uterus' and her saying they appeared to be of 70 year old post-menopausal women? He said that they were 30 years old!

Even though that disproves my idea that Ben gave the gals spider bites in childbirth, it does prove interesting with this latest revelation that time is altered somehow and some people age faster than others and the healing properties of the island.

Along that thread, I also find it interesting that suddenly Rose says she's not going anywhere with Locke. Locke wants to stay on the island because it has healed him and given him purpose; same with Rose! Her cancer is healed and she always seemed to have a 6th sense (uncannily so) about Bernard's not being dead, and why would she join Jack's group to be rescued after she's been cured by the island?

I know I am ALL OVER THE PLACE with every different thread but so many questions lead to other questions and I'm hoping that unraveling just one will start the ball rolling for the others!

Last night I came across a website that you all might be interested in. This man has a theory about the time difrerence and the sightings of dead beings on the island. It makes alot of sense to me and helps me understand some of the things that are going on. It will take some time to read all that he has there, but is well worth it. There is also a question and answer area that explains alot. The website for anyone interested is www.timelooptheory.com. Knowledge is power!

wow! thanks lostlvr, that site looks fantastic, i plan to read it. i think the overall themes of the show like good/evil, human nature, fate, etc. are the most interesting, rather than the smaller details. one thing that has also helped me was seeing a list of what books have been favored/featured on the show like A Wrinkle in Time and The Fountainhead.
thanks again for the website link.

velvet - if you get the season 3 dvds they talk about the lost book club. and why they picked certain books. i thought it was really neat because i couldnt exactly piece them all to the storyline until i watched that

Claire and Aaron need to be considered for one of the Oceanic 6. In Desmond's vision of Charlie drowning, he told Charlie he saw Claire getting on a helicopter. Reference was also made to Kate possibly being pregnant earlier, so she'd have to be one of the 6 for the baby to live. Jack, Kate, Sayid, Claire, Aaron, Hurley...

I don't think I would count Aaron as one of the 6, he technically wasn't a passanger with a ticket.
Also I don't think for him to get off the island that Claire would have to get off too. Other than Desmond's vision, which wasn't them living off the island, it was just them getting on the helicopter, there is nothing to tell us they do make it home. Anything could happen to them in the time between them getting on the helicopter and them getting home safely.

Bev:
I agree with you. I think we take too much for granted on this show sometimes. How many times has LOST advertised something and then the next episode it's a dream of someone or something else than we thought. I stand by Kate maybe getting off the island for another reason than being one of the Oceanic 6.
Watch me be wrong.

Also, to whoever mentioned Desmond's powers, I'm really glad someone mentioned this. If he was the mole or if Sayid was the mole, don't you think the freighters would recognize him? Wouldn't it have to be someone they don't directly tie to the island? I don't know, just thinking. I think Desmond's vision is important (the one he tells Charlie) but it also was the only vision we never saw, just heard about. Maybe that's because a detail was altered somehow.

Rockstar theories usually, LOST in TEXAS, but I think the only flawed one so far has been on the spider biting females. Juliette seems pretty awesome at her job, I think she'd notice if the women kept dying of poisoning.
Side note, I live in Texas too! I'm glad the state is joining together in fanhood!

Man, this show kills my head sometimes.

I'm halfway through reading the www.timelooptheory.com and HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT.

Its really got my mind boggled but it really is intriguing and possible. My ONLY problem with it, and this is a great big one, is that if this theory is true, the writers don't have enough episodes left in the series to explain it all.

That being said, perhaps they will only explain a fraction of it, leaving the viewership to have to re-watch every season through a totally different perspective, as the first time through, we've all been completely stumped!

Go ahead and read it! I loved it!
www.timelooptheory.com

OK, I don't know if I should retract my previous statement, but having read the whole time loop theory now and having read the question and answer section too, I don't think so.

Maybe his theory is close, but his explanations are quite shady and gray...

Still entertaining!!

I got to thinking about the 31 minute time difference. If you add 31 to each of the numbers from the first season, then do a latitude and longitude seach, it comes up in Iraq.

so I have a lot of time to kill because I'm sick.... miles' last name is Straume. If you Google "Straume", there is a man named Odd Rune Straume and he is an associate professor of Economics in Portugal.

I think the reason why Kate is not in jail after she gets off the island has to do with the difference in time between the real world and the island...since the real world time is much faster, and grows more and more each passin minute, the statute of limitations has run out and she can't be prosecuted!

The Aaron and Jacob great-grandfather thing is pretty smart. I like that a lot, but I'm not sure how that would play into the story. Plus, the religious Jacob never had a son named Christian (he lived a long time before Christ (i.e. "Christian"ity) in the book of Genesis. And I don't know of a Claire mentioned in the Torah or Bible, so how Jacob and Aaron would be connected in a biblical sense, I don't know, other than by name.

As far as Danielle being Annie, that's interesting, but I don't know how that works out. I mean, if she's named after Jean-Jacques Rousseau, then she's based on the fact that human's are essentially good when in a state of nature. Now, does that mean that she's
1. the example of good while in nature, or
2. is she jaded because she has seen that both the Dharma people and the others are not good people even though they're in nature?

If it's the jaded theory then she could be Annie. If it's the good in nature theory, then she's probably not Annie. But, I do find it interesting that she had no contact with the Others in 16 years, and did not know who Ben was when she delivered him as Henry Gale to the Losties. That doesn't really make sense, unless she really did know Ben, i.e. she is this Annie person. She seems to be a person who knows a lot, and has been surviving for 16 years, but she doesn't know anything about the Others? That makes no sense at all! Unless she is Annie, which I still doubt. But, then again, why did Ben let Rousseau's distress signal play from the radio tower for all that time without stopping it? I mean, I know it was going nowhere, but what would be the point of keeping it playing all of those years. Unless it was fake?

Fact of the matter is, does this matter? How does this affect anything? Is the simplest answer the most plausible?

The truth is, you can pretty much read too much or not enough into every single thing presented in LOST. While the writers appear to be geniuses, it's also highly possible that they have made some mistakes in this show as well. Perhaps that's why some mysteries have only been mentioned once, during season one for instance, and never heard of again. It may just mean that it wasn't really that important. I mean, anyone remember Nikki and Paulo??? Sometimes, things are just thrown in to appease people, to throw people off of the scent, and sometimes just as filler.

What do I know?

i think that the others treated rousseau the same way they treated claire, and that's why she doesn't really know who they are. that would explain why she didn't recognize ben (unless, of course, he just had ethan take the baby and rousseau never saw him). obviously, somehow, they took alex, so rousseau's had some kind of contact with them. and she attributed the whispers to the others as well. i think after the others took alex, they just let rousseau go in peace since they knew she didn't remember anything (much like claire lost her memory).

To "Larry", I totally agree that one can make too much out of nothing. I am constantly looking in the background, afraid I'm missing something. To "Lost in Texas", I also read the whole site @ timelooptheory.com, interesting, but very questionable. The one thing I got out of it, is if you go back in time, illness is cured, because it has not happened yet. Then how would Ben have ever gotten a tumor in the first place? Seems like he has been going back and forth so much, it should not ever happen? I still wonder if that was not all made up for some reason. I agree w/everyone-I don't know how all the answers are going to come out in to so little time!

i read the show was contracted thru 2010. "This season has been whittled to just eight episodes thanks to the writers strike, with 40 more hours before the saga concludes in 2010." - CNN

Hey - I forget the name, but thanks to the person who suggested visiting www.timelooptheory.com. Entertaining read! The author's theory is quite interesting and rather well presented. I enjoyed it!

Actually Velvet, they are adding 5 more shows this season now that the writers strike is over which brings the total to 13, just 3 less than was originally planned and those 3 will be absorbed into the remaining seasons which means we will still get the same number of episodes that was promised when they said the season would end in 2010.

@Julie
There is no statute of limitations on murder. I am sticking by my theory that Kate is one of the O6 and is going to be tried for her crime. That's what we saw a glimpse of for next week!

Also, can someone tell me where the idea that Kate was pregnant/had a baby during tha flashforward last season? I missed that theory completely.

Larry - I'm not very good with the Bible (don't know the names, stories, etc since I never was a church goer) but like I said, I just heard/read that someone said Aaron was the biblican great great grandson of Jacob. The other names inbetween the geerations may not necessarily have to be Biblical.

HOWEVER, in doing a little more research on this Bible thing, I found that Jacob had a son with Rachel named...that's right, you guessed it...Benjamin.

I know these things may be far fetched, but like I said before, it's LOST! Nothing is too far fetched anymore!

Bev - I think the idea of Kate being pregnant is stemming from the season three finale when juliet had to find out who was pregnant. ( i definitely think she will be, just a personal guess )

PS my boyfriend and i watched desmonds episode last nite...where he goes back to penny but has all the dejavu stuff goin on. is it a flashforward and he has flashbacks to the island? or is it a flashback where he has flashforwards to the island?

in the bible, bejamin's mom, rachel, also died in childbirth (like ben's mom did on the show). i pointed that out to my husband before. there are tons of biblical references in the show, if you're familiar with the bible (i am, my husband's not), it just gives you one more thing to ponder over.

oh, and in the bible, jacob had a twin, esau. jacob was considered the 'good' twin. esau sold his birthright blessing to jacob for stew and bread.

anyone have insight on as to what in the world "eggtown" means for the title of kate's episode?

In the preview for Kate's episode it says one more of the Oceanic 6 will be revealed. Do you think they are talking about Kate or do you think someone else will be involved in her flash forward? I'm going to feel cheated if they are talking about Kate because obviously we already know she gets off the island.

Just a few thoughts...

Is it always storming when somebody "finds" the island? We know the plane was drawn in by the magnetic pulse, but didn't Desmond come upon the island during a storm? As well as the second round of freighter tots? Not sure about Naomi tho. Is natural electricity a factor in finding the island and not just the correct bearing? (We'll find the answer to that this week if the copter makes it back to the freighter.)

A few of the freightor tots from the helicopter said, "Four plus me" as if they had rehearsed it. Were there more than four on the copter?

What about the other island? The one with the aquarium. Is that where the original Others went?

Is the Lost island a reseeding ground for earth when the current human race destroys it? Perhaps the aquarium island is a Noah's Ark?

More fodder for the fire. Cheers all!

Auto - I didn't think of that until just now. Maybe when Ben and Richard's people decided to gas the Dharmas he may have warned those important to him (i.e. Annie) but I can't remember that episode? Did we ever see her "dead" body?

My internet has been out since thursday, and I'm sooo late to this party.

But I've said it once and I'll say it again, YOU GUYS ROCK!! Your theories and attention to detail make this board one of the best around.

LIT: You are on fire!!

Sarah badara,
No we never saw Annie's body and no one ever mentioned her. The absolute only reference to her has been that Ben has kept the two dolls she gave him when she told him that 'they would never be apart' as a birthday present when they were kids.

hey auto
i think it was really cloudy when Naomi came around. they saw her flashing lights through the clouds at night. also, i did notice that all the freighter tots had this rehearsed line, "four including me" when they first arrived. i've always thought that they lied about that as well. i have yet to find any information on "Eggtown" except it was listed as someone's parish in there hometown in B'kara Malta.

in the beginning of the episode, when Sayid notices Naomi's bracelet, is seems to trigger a memory....cut to what we think is a flashforward of him on the golf course, etc., and then him with Elsa. Then after he kills her we see that she is wearing a bracelet similiar to Naomi's. what if the fact that after Sayid saw Naomi's bracelet it triggered his memory to back when he was with Elsa who had a similiar bracelet. that would make what we thought was a flashforward of him with Elsa, actually a flashback, something that happened prior to the island! maybe i'm thinking too far into it, or maybe Sayid's been working w/ Ben all along! thoughts?

also, Desmond told Charlie about his premonition that he sees Claire getting on a helicopter, right? and that in order for Claire (and Aaron) to be saved, Charlie must die. does that make Claire one of the Oceanic 6? and why haven't we heard any more of Claire and Jack as half brother/sister?

like sonogr4, I wondered if Sayid has always worked for Ben. He is handy, clever, calculating, worldly, and trusting... which are all of the qualities that Ben exudes as well (until you realize what a snake he is!)... but unless its all been a setup, Sayid heard the distress signal, Sayid found Rousseau... Sayid blew up the others with Bernard and Jin on the beach...

I,too, however, wondered why Sayid appeared to recognize the bracelet as if it jogged a memory. I am not certain anymore of what is a flashforward or a flashback. I'm starting to question everything I thought as a flashforward as really being a flashback ie. the relationship with Elsa...

On a lighter note, notice how this blog is now carrying us almost Thursday to Thursday. I readily admit I'm OBSESSED

Why would Sayid interrogate and beat the crap out of Benry in the hatch if he was working for him?

sonogr4 - i wonder why we dont do more with the jack/claire thing too. remember that christian never got a chance to tell her his name though. for some reason i dont think they (jack and claire) will realize who each other is. but then again, like i said before, i am dead set on christian being a major player in everything that is happening, from dharma to the crash, you name it, hes involved. maybe if they develop christian a little more we can learn more about the jack/claire connection. how ironic he delivered his nephew? any interesting backstories to something like that in the bible, other areas?

wait - i just realized...did he deliver aaron? maybe not so much...oh well either way.

i think over spring break im going to watch all the episodes starting at season 1. i have this idea if people group the episodes of each character and watch those together more things might come out and give us some more hints/connections. who really has time for that though?

rum - it could all be ploy (obviously ben gets beat up a lot, looks like he can take it)

kinda like how people think charotte may be the "man on the inside" - ben shot her to make it seem like they were enemies rather than co-conspirators

I believe that it was Kate who delivered Aaron. Jack was off trying to save Boone at the time I think.

I don't think the flash forwards are ruining the show. That's just part of the show now, and it should be enjoyed for what it is, I think.

No, I don't think that the flashforwards are ruining anything. The LOST writers aren't spoon feeding us anything. FFs and FBs are just a way of teasing us, and I for one am all over it! Its just all part of the master plan.

The Penny/Desmond storyline is gnawing at me. Could Penny's Dad be behind the rescuer people or associated with Dharma? During last season in Desmond's episode, I recall something in Penny's Dad's office or something he said that made me think he could be associated with all of this. Hmmmm.

Does anyone else think that they'll end up back on the island in the end? One of the previous posts talked about how the flashfowards don't necessarily show the "end", so maybe they do end up back on the island. Just a theory, you never know.:)

I don't remember Penny's dad's occupation, but I remember he was not a fan of Desmond. I think he may have something to do with the "rescuers", trying to get to Desmond before Penny's actual people find them. The ones looking for Ben and Charlotte needing to do "work" I'm not sure how they play in. Maybe Penny's dad has a role like Christian...we don't think it's as important as say someone like Ben, but outta nowhere it'll be like HA! GOTCHA!

I know, you guys are probably sick of my Christian theories, but I just love the guy!

Loved this episode - I was interested in Sayid's reaction to Niaomi tho - he seemed quite touched by her - covering her face, or maybe that was just a way for him to spot the bracelet. He also made a point of saying that if there was room for one more on the copter that they should 'take her home' - quite personal, not something I'd expect from a assassin type. I wondered if the time difference issue may mean that when Niaomi returns to the boat she isn't dead? I also believe that because of the time difference Sayid 'becomes' the man on the boat - is that possible??, lets face it ends up working for Ben - is that how it starts?? I do believe what we saw of Sayid was a FF not a FB - he mentions the crash to the guy on the seychells golf course.
Who is R.G on Naiomi's bracelet? - may mean both Niaomi and Elsa are working / know the same R.G because they both have the same bracelet?
I also def believe Penny's Father is involved both copter pilot guy and Daniel obv recognised the name 'Whidmore'.
Lucky you lot to only have to wait till tomorrow - we have to wait till sunday - grrrr! so I can't come back here after today otherwsie I'll be tempted to read the diary before I watch the episode - double grrrr!

Sahwna, I too believe the FF show part of the future but not the end... like the FB I think they'll build up a picture of some of the future and the actual end will be quite different - maybe they will all end up back on the island.
The FF are also not in the right order - the first FF we saw was Jack saying to Kate they 'had to go back' and he was a mess - yet when he spoke to future Hurley in the mental hops gym he was quite composed and saying 'we were supposed to get home' and Hurley was the one saying they had to go back - plus Jack then grew a beard which he hinted at with Hurley.

Last night I watched the pilot and Kate made a comment about her friend Beth loving Charlie's band Driveshaft.

I'm not sure of the time frame of the flashbacks but I would imagine that Driveshaft was popular @ the same time Kate was on the run. That got me to wonder...Kate didn't really seem to have any close relationships so who is this Beth person? Or is this one of those things that was just said in passing?

Also, Locke was very interesting when he was describing backgammon to Walt. He said there are only two sides. A little forshadowing to Team Locke and Team Jack?

One more thing...I think Locke becomes the new Jacob/Christian

By new I mean @ the shows "end". Nothing coming up anytime soon.

i think Kate's comment to Charlie was just a little taste of how the characters are connected on the show.

What we are considering to be flashforwards (events happening off the island but after the Losties' plane crashed) may just be alternate pasts of the Oceanic 6 (thus actually flashbacks), given a completely different timeline. Of course, you would have to buy into the whole time travel theory. What if Sayid is working with Ben in an alternate past timeline trying to kill people that would eventually be apart of killing his friends on the island in a completely different timeline? Thus, he's trying to save his friends in this manner. Which, in my opinion, would explain why Sayid would ever work for Ben in any capacity, rather than simply putting a bullet in Ben's head....Just something to think about.

Ok, I realize that I am a huge freakin' nerd for this, but I had some free time while a video project of mine compresses for DVD, so I went back and read some posts of people this past summer, who were re-watching Seasons 1 and 2. I found this comment by ssmcbroom very intriguing:

"Sarah brought up an excellent point about Rousseau...did Rousseau and her team arrive at the island before The Purge or after? Were there three "camps" at the time, with the Others, the Hostiles, and then Rousseau and her team? But, then, when we first met Rousseau, she claimed she had not seen anyone on the island for 16 years, just heard whispers, yet she seems to know the whole island like the back of her hand...how is that possible that she never saw anyone?

That got me to thinking...we've never had a flashback for Danielle! With everything else that goes on, I kind of forget about Danielle sometimes, but now I'm thinking maybe her back story is an important one, and maybe since her and Alex are reunited, they will get into her back story next season.

Two reasons (of many) that I think Danielle's story will be important is:

* She claimed her team got "the sickness" after visiting the Black Rock, and she had to kill them all - what is the sickness exactly?

* In Danielle's transmission she mentions Brennan as being alive and "the one who took the keys." Now, we have heard of a Brennan, a Tom Brennan, Kate's childhood sweetheart, the one who had the toy airplane and the one who got shot by the cops as Kate was trying to escape...coincidence????"

I hadn't thought about never seeing a flashback from her. Perhaps her story isn't exactly as she say it is...like many here have already posted.

My thoughts out loud: Could Jacob be one of Ben's other identities? That Ben/Jacob are on the same island but each is in a different dimension/time? That the black smoke is actually Jacob/Ben moving in that other dimension? Or is the black smoke just another 'lost soul' stuck in another dimension?

oooh Larry, that's a nice catch.

I've learned one thing - there are no coincidences on LOST.

i'm trying to get my head around all the different factions around the Island... Maybe you guys can help.
1. We've got the Losties. Pretty obvious.
2. The Others. Who were on the Island before
3. The Dharma Initiative.
4. The Freighter tots (HA! love it!), who may or may not be attached to
5. The Maxwell group (as seen on find815.com)
6. Penny's swashbuckling adventurers searching for her one true love.

Was there another group of people on the Island before the Others got there? What are the whispers? Do the jungle whispers have anything to do with the whispers Sam hears on the ocean on find815?

"Dean Moriarty" (Benry's alias on passport) is an anagram for "A Diary Mentor". Daniel, your Valentine is a fan!

Has anyone else watched the clips on abc.com. The first one is a new 30 second clip before the very first episode. In it, Jack's dad is on the lisland and talking to the dog to wake up Jack. The other clips are also interesting. Sun and Michael almost kiss in one and Juliette is hiding an envelope in another.

Also, can anyone that has dvr make out the signs on the wall in the vets office. In the brief flash it looked like german but I do not have DVR and can't see it..

Great catch about the missing half hour in the conversation between elsa and the economist. I don't know german well enough and thought it was just a bad translation!!

the envelope in that clip has ben's x-rays. no one on the island was supposed to be able to get cancer, so ben and juliette kept it really hush hush when they first found out (i don't know how they explained his surgery to everyone).
i was talking to my husband about the others (originally the hostiles) and trying to figure out when exactly they came to the island. some seem to be original inhabitants, but i really don't see how that's possible. and how would their little sect survive, when procreation causes the women to die? wouldn't they eventually have died off (except the ones that don't age, like richard)? and why do people get sent off the island so often (richard and ethan are in miami trying to recruit juliette, then mikhail thought the bonnie and that other chick were in canada on assignment) if they are natives and meant to protect the island?
(as a side note, does it bother anyone else how the losties seem to have nice new clothes all the time, especially claire and sun? did they go shopping in the luggage? it's been 100 days! that's my only complaint about lost)

hi all. the wording on the posters in the dog kennel office are in german, makes since since sayid was in berlin (i watch the episodes on my pc in HD from the abc.com website and its so much easier to see all the details).
also when jack goes to the funeral home to see that casket, the sign of the funeral home name is an anagram for the words flash forward, i believe

"makes sense" i mean to type

My friends, I thank you for keeping my interest in LOST throughout the WHOLE WEEK! Are we a group of nerds, or what??????

I LOVE IT!
Enjoy the episode tomorrow and of course, Daniel's post on Friday!!

Okay, I am more and more convinced that Sayid and Ben have history. Sayid may even be *gulp* an Other? I'm still thinking the Elsa story might be a flashBACK.
1. In the very first Season 1 premier Sayid doesn't show up until evening.
2. Season 2, ep 14 ("One of Them"), when Rousseau takes Sayid to see Henry Gale (Ben) tied up, Sayid lets him go. When Sayid tortures Henry Gale/Ben, it is behind closed doors.
3. In "The Economist," Naomi's bracelet seems to have meaning for Sayid. Could it be he recognizes it?
Anyone else going in this direction?

mmm, hard to tell. but i think as a character sayid is one of the more well liked or interesting, lots of depth in his character, the conflicts within his soul (like when he iced his hand after he threw out a cell phone used for reporting some bad deed) so i can see the writers focusing more & more on him.
i keep meaning to thank Daniel for hosting this blog. thank you there!

hh: When I said Charlotte was awestruck by the polar bear collar I equated it to her being surprised at the survivors. I didn't mean it exactly that way. What I meant was that she seemed excited to find the collar. I agree she seemed to know it would be there. She seemed surprised to see all the survivors, both when she was in the water and then talking to them after and asking all the questions. Just found it to be curious. As for Ben, as soon as Miles heard about him, he freaked, pulled the picture out and was like, where is he, we want him. I don't think they were trying to hide it so much. So if she saw him, and knew the whole plan, and saw him tied up nonetheless, why wouldn't she ask about him to a group of people who had "Ben on a leash." Also curious.

LOST in Texas: I thought about that as I was writing, which is why I had the alternate theory that Ben grew up normally over time ON the island, but it was Richard who was LEAVING the island, thus affecting his aging, and Ben only now leaves the Island since he disposed of Dharma and joined the Others. If Richard made jumps through spacetime he could plausibly have always left the island and returned AT THE SAME TIME! thereby never aging because when he returned it was the same time as when he left. All the while Ben was staying on the Island aging normally, never experiencing the shifts in spacetime.

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Surely they didn't think that far ahead!

Now I've LOST it... I have even described my addiction for our favorite show on my blog... Click on my LOST in Texas name to read it.

Jo wow!
I didn't even think about that connection, but you made an excellent case for a Sayid/Ben connection prior to the crash.
Did anyone see the dolls Annie gave Ben in his house? I didn't see any, and was wondering if they were there.

I don't know about the rest of you, but LOST has become an obsession for me. I find myself drawn to the computer and randomly searching for information. With my limmited knowledge I become so overwhelmed, I want so much to understand how all this works. Have you checked out this website?http://losthematheory.com/hemasummary.aspx
Tons of information. It will take a while for me to digest it all. I found this site through Lostpedia, by clicking on the links. I to have begun watching LOST from the beginning. Makes a difference when you can add what you know now to what was happening then. You can watch with a purpose. Having additional knowledge does not spoil it for me, it just makes it more exciting if I can watch it for deeper meaning or find hidden clues. Thanks for all of your posting, I love reading your comments. Looking forward to tonight.

"Okay, I am more and more convinced that Sayid and Ben have history. Sayid may even be *gulp* an Other? I'm still thinking the Elsa story might be a flashBACK.
1. In the very first Season 1 premier Sayid doesn't show up until evening." - Jo

I'm starting to think you may be right about a Ben/Sayid connection. However, I watched the first episode of Season 1 last night (I'm trying to refresh my memory on earlier episodes) and Sayid does show up on the beach when it's still daylight. He and Sawyer are fighting because Sawyer called him a terrorist and accuses him of bringing down the plane. Sayid was definitly on the flight because Sawyer describes his posture in his seat.

BUT (!!) Sawyer also says something like "And I saw that screener pull you out of line!" I've heard a few people say that Ben was shown as an airport screener in a flashback- was Ben the one who pulled Sayid out of line? For what purpose?

ben was a screener is a dream/hallucination that locke had in the episode "further instructions". he wasn't an actual screener - at least as far as we know.

Now we're on to something... you know, it has taken a whole week of hashing through the various clues in the episode for us Losties here on the diary to realize that Sayid was never on the flight. I think we've finally hacked into something. He has been an Other all along...

Which, if thats the case, is outstanding acting by him because I absolutely would have bet my life on him being the biggest hearted person on the island.

Now I'm thinking a mile a minute about Sayid in the past and feel like renting the whole first season AGAIN to watch with a different perspective...

But WAIT, I must go back on something... how could Sayid be one of the Others all along when last week Ben said, "you want to save your friends, don't you?"...

Face it, I'm confused... and would really like some answers tonight before they start creating more questions.

wait, I'm on a roll... I seem to remember something fishy about when the Others captured Kate, Jack, Hurley and Sawyer. Remember that Sayid set out by foot and Jin and Sun by boat? Sayid somehow got captured (remind me people, I'm fuzzy here) and then the Others all took off from the barracks. However, when Locke found him (it was Locke, right?), Sayid was tied up outside and had been left behind. That was alittle odd? Wouldn't they have either killed him or taken him with them?

jon - i see what you're saying. and yeah, it is strange that she didn't ask about ben. but, remember, miles and daniel had already told jack and kate that rescuing them wasn't their primary goal; locke and his group are supposed to still think that they are there to rescue them (even though they are trying to get away from the "rescuers"). at this point, the "rescuers" are aware of the survivors (remember when daniel landed, he said "are you jack?" - he knew who he was, then miles asked kate, "you're kate?") so i think charlotte's surprise really is at how many of them there are. unless she wasn't told about them before they took off (but i kinda doubt they would all know but her). i guess we can't really know for certain yet.

Lost in Texas - Sayid was on the flight - he is on the beach right from the beginning, first episode when he asks Charlie to help him collect the firewood.

wow, people. i think we are getting a little off track here. ET, phone home!

i agree sarah. i'm so full of questions it's ridiculous, but there is always stuff we don't know. focusing on the stuff we actually do know is better than guessing at what is left out. in my humble opinion.

FYI - If you have questions about any given episode,ie. who was the subject flashback, or content of the show just go to www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Pilot%2C_Part_1
This will take you to a site showing all the shows and their titles. You can click on the title and it will summerize the show for you along with some additional insights. I have found it very enlightening. I go here before I go to my dvd's to find something that is bothering me, that way I don't waste my time (ha, assuming that all this isn't really a waste of time?)

I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but I was just watching Season 1 episode 4 and noticed in the scene where Jack sees his Dad off in the distance, that his dad was wearing WHITE shoes and a suit...just like the guy in the rocking chair in Jacob's cabin in season 3.

I just watched the same dvd yesterday. It does seem awfully strange that his dad would be wearing a nice suit and white gym shoes!

I mean season 4. (...just like the guy in the rocking chair in Jacob's cabin this season).

I am watching last week's episode right now and have made 2 interesting observations that I don't remember any of you touching on throughout the week...

1) when initially meeting elsa at the german bar and ordering an espresso, she looks at him strangely and asks, "don't I know you from somewhere?" and he says, "i'll tell you where you know me from if you let me take you to dinner"... okay, to me, thats interesting choice of words. If I had seen Sayid on TV as one of the Oceanic 6, I would have said, "hey, I've seen you somewhere before"... and if I were Sayid and thought Elsa knew me from just the Oceanic 6 'celebrity status' (which I think is odd in its own right), I would say, "sure, I'll tell you were you've seen me"... but they use the words 'know', as if they've been introduced in the past...

2) Remember that Frank has the manifest memorized... I swear that he doesn't know Sayid. He asks Jack, "where's this Sayid guys from" after Sayid has introduced himself. The way Frank has had the manifest memorized and right away knew that Juliet wasn't on the manifest showed his quickness. He totally treats Sayid as if he knows nothing about him, especially when he asks Jack "is he a diplomat or something?", which is totally ridiculous... He would know exactly who he was and if he were a diplomat, considering he has the manifest memorized... unless Sayid wasn't on the manifest.

Lost in Texas, you're an idiot. Get a life.

Sayid had to have been on the manifest or else it would have raised suspicion when Hurley went through the flight manifests in season one. That's how they figured out that Ethan was an Other, remember?

Isn't it more likely that Frank knows the names of the passengers, but not their entire life's story? Example, he knows that Jack was on the plane. He might not know that Jack is a world-class surgeon. He knows that Hurley was on the plane. He might not know that Hurley won the lottery. Therefore, he MAY know that Sayid was on the plane, but not know anything about him. That's how he knows Juliett wasn't on the plane.

That being said, I believe that other people involved with the Freighter Folk mission know exactly who all of the flight 815 people are, and their background. Frank however, is on a need-to-know basis.

LOST in Texas:

Interesting observation in #1.

#2- If Sayid wasn't on the manifest, why wouldn't Frank have called him out on it like he did for Juliette? I've never seen a manifest before but I imagine it's a list of names and seat numbers, not personal details like home towns and professions. Is it reasonable to think Frank should know the life stories of each passenger based on this document?

I think Sayid was on the plane, and on the manifest.

No I completely agree, you're right that he wouldn't know his background based on a manifest... but if I were Frank and had the manifest and I had been memorizing it, I would have even gone further... meaning, if I was memorizing the names, I'd 'google' them too!

Now, I say this after reading from the anonymous poster that I'm an idiot and need to get a life. Maybe its just my little OCD complex, but if I took the time to memorize the whole list of names, I would obviously be obsessing. If I were obsessing, I'd be interested in more than just the names...

FURTHERMORE, why would Frank memorize the manifest? That makes no sense! He knows he was supposed to be flying the plane and he wasn't. The other guy who always wore his ring, was. Why would that cause Frank to memorize the manifest? What is that supposed to accomplish?

And yes, I have a life. I am just able to mutli-task much better than most and type faster than I think... thank you very much. And if you don't have the nerve to leave your name when you insult me, you're worse than an idiot, but a coward!

i think studying flight information is something that pilots do. its customary for a pilot to know all of the names of the passengers that are aboard their flights. furthermore, if a twist of fate took you out of death's grasp in a manner such as Frank's, i think if he hadn't memorized the names before, he would have become obsessed with the it afterwards. especially after he was contacted for the "rescue mission". i'm pretty sure he wanted to know exactly who he might be saving, and whomelse would be on the island not "on the list."

Maybe Frank was "chosen" not to fly the plane the day it crashed, in the same way that he was "chosen" to be the helicopter pilot. Maybe he's just working for people and he doesn't really know his role in this yet (and neither do we really!). I am assuming that Frank felt guilty for not flying the plane, and he agrees to work for the Freighties, not really knowing the real story about anything. I think we'll find out more about this guy before the season ends. The key will be when we find out WHY he didn't fly the plane that day I think. Also, when we find out why he memorized the manifest (before the plane took off, after the crash, or because of his Freighter mission), we'll know a lot more.

By the way, have you read this interview?:
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20179125,00.html

Very interesting stuff.

Larry - Awesome interview! Shoots a hole in some ideas and makes me feel like we are on the right track with some of our theories.

I'm not taking credit for the interview. I saw it somewhere else. It does shoot lots of holes in many theories though, and brings many thoughts back to reality! If you believe what they're saying...conspiracy???

about sayid being an other...didn't we actually see him in the airport before the plane took off? wasn't it shannon who alerted the security guard that sayid had a suspicious bag or something, and that's why they pulled him aside?

and also, if sayid wasn't on the manifest and frank didn't recognize his name, wouldn't he have said something like he did with juliette?

I realy thought that Ben was the guy in last years season finale that committed suicide but seeing him with Sayid.... hmm not too sure now.

@Larry:
OMG they mention quantum physics...

awesome, i'm not THAT crazy :)

does anyone remember the first/second episode of season 1...it was when kate was talking to the marshall on the plane and she said to him, can i ask you for a favor and then BAM he gets hit in the head, plane splits...we know the rest

what exactly could that favor have been? maybe just to take her handcuffs off?

ps i really dont like kate at all, so i hope something bad happens to her.

and rousseau. who is alex's dad? was he one of the people in her group that died/she killed? if were not sure there is a chance ben could be the baby daddy??? long shot, i know...

the favor was this: the farmer that turned her in did it for the reward. she wanted to make sure the guy got the reward.
and yes, we saw sayid in the airport (the shannon incident with his bag that the poster mentioned). plus, i don't think we can ignore his back story. he was dying to get to LA to find nadia. the military used him to infiltrate his friend's group to foil their attack and find the missing C4. if he was an Other all along, i don't think we would have seen such an extensive and heartbreaking back story on him - it wouldn't have mattered.
something happens in the future (on the island) that causes sayid to get to where he was in this last episode.
alex's dad (rousseau mentions him at some point) was on her team. that is, as long as we're assuming rousseau is telling the truth. which i'm pretty sure i think she is. but i do really want a back story on her.

I am new to this site. My husband & I LOVE LOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Daniel, I am curious what your thoughts on Jacob are. I think Jacob is Jack's dad. There was a quick glimpse of him when Hurley came upon the house. There was a man in a rocking chair just for a second before Hurley is startled. I did a freeze frame on that scene & it looks an awful lot like Jack's dad.

Jack, Hurley & Sayid are for sure part of the Oceanic 6, I can't be for certain with Kate. Kate stayed behind last week with Sawyer...so let's see how her flash forward developes. Probably Kate's night tonight right. That's how the previews looked.

Who died??...and WHY oh WHY is it so distressing for Jack??....

LOVE THE SHOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As for Sayid... He just can't be an other. It seems to me that there is a reason that each one of the losties is on that island. It's kind of like the Abrahamic test (not to get all religiony on you or anything), but Abraham's test wasn't to prove anything to God, it was to prove something to Abraham. It was something Abraham needed to learn about himself. Each one is on the island for a different reason, ie.Jack to realize his potential as a leader. I read somewhere that Shannon realized her potential and that is why Walt lead her to being shot by Ana Lucia. Sayid obviously has a soft spot and Ben is out to exploit any "weakness" that he sees. If you recall Sayid left Australia a day late because he stayed for the burial of his friend. Life and death are meaningful to Sayid. Remember the episode "For the Greater Good"? It doesn't surprise me that Sayid was tender towards Naomi's body, or that it was easy for him to fall for Shannon on the island or Elsa in the flashforward. He may have been a torturer, but it wasn't something he enjoyed, it was just something that had to be done.

So I'm watching the episode right now, and I love how Locke said you might want to read the book a second time, might find something you missed.

Totally the writers playing into the viewers!

wtf?!?!?!?! aaron?????? i know i should wait until tomorrow but what the heck???

So how does Kate explain that? She wasn't pregnant when she left Australia, and Aaron looks to be what, maybe 2, 2 1/2?

I wonder what happens to Claire? I know she was going to give up the baby for adoption, but it seems she really wanted to keep him. I guess she's not one of the six...but how do you explain Aaron getting off the island? And it makes sense that Jack wouldn't want to see him, makes him think of Claire...maybe he realized Aaron is his nephew??

Do you remember when the psychic told Claire that she had to raise the baby because he would be in danger? And then he changed his tune and wanted her to fly to LA so someone could adopt the baby. That is why she was on that flight. It is all so crazy.

sarah badara

were you watching the same show as me? I think you are so from the point

Can someone let me know what the deal was? Our cable was interrupted because of tornado warnings. Stupid Louisiana weather. ANYWAY! I missed the whole part of Kate's deal...

Also...I thought this episode was rather weak. It only left me with one real question, and that was obviously Aaron. I could tell when Claire and Kate were folding laundry Kate would end up with Aaron. And the whole thing with Miles was annoying.

greg - you are a dork. get your own place to post. ps thats just my boyfriend guys. ignore him. i usually just take his theories and elaborate on them anyway...

ps WHERE IS CHRISTIAN!!!!!!

when jack said only 8 survived the crash and 2 died maybe claire was one of them who died and that explains why kate has aaron?

pps WHERE IS CHRISTIAN!!!!!

so does aaron count as one of the six? i guess we have to wait for the enhanced episode? like how tonights told us kate was #4

greg also found when we find out the last person we will know they are one who dies off the island - thats who is in the coffin?

did anyone see when kate went into aarons room, you have to look quick. but i could swear that the dolls ben had from annie were on the bookshelf (on our left as we look at the tv)

So many questions. How does Kate explain Aaron? Since she hadn't had her trial yet, how would the courts let her have Aaron, knowing that she is a suspected murderer/arsonist, etc? Why is Aaron so old? How long have they been back in the states? Why did it take so long to have the hearing? If they have been back for a few years why didn't the attorney use that as a reason for Kate not being a flight risk? I guess I need to watch it again. It sucks that you can watch a show and "think" you know what is going on and then you have to rewatch it, knowing what you now know so you can watch it for what it really is.

Sorry, just rewound and watched - no dolls on the bookshelf.

you have to go really slow. its not super obvious. its on the tall shelf. greg doesnt see it either but it looked like it to me...they just stuck out to me.

well ill wait to post the rest tomorrow...
ps and if you guys hear anything otherwise i just watched the end again. she definitely says aaron. some are thinking she says eric...dont know what they are watching...
also if you guys check out http://www.tvsquad.com/category/spoilers-anonymous/

they have a few things that seem interesting to read...

okay one more thing. just for the heck of it i went to the hanso foundation website and on the board of directors is a man named jacob vanderfield...

maybe locke is elsa's boss in the flash forwards...and sayid is sent by ben to kill locke

i think in the story they tell claire will be one of the eight survivors, but they say she dies after childbirth, and kate takes care of the baby. i still don't think aaron will count as one of the O6, since he wasn't on the manifest.
as far as why she is allowed to keep the baby when they get back...that's a good question. who else would take him, though? unless they turned him over to child services? and he's obviously like two years old in this episode, so the only mother he really knows would be kate (at this point).
as far as how kate actually becomes his guardian/mother - i think we can safely say that claire dies and she asks kate to care for him. or she dies and kate just assumes responsibility.
agh...going to bed. plan to rewatch tomorrow.

When Kate's attorney pressed her in the beginning to 'put him on the stand' to appeal to the hearts of the jury and show her heroism, she says "no, I won't put my son on the stand". So I was gasping, but then at the end when her 'son' is actually Aaron, I wondered if Aaron really DOES know that Kate has adopted him, thereby being a hero to Aaron and his mother, Claire...?

Also, (and I will repost this whole thing again when Daniel posts today's blog) does anyone remember in Desmond's flash of Claire and Aaron boarding the copter, is it really Claire? Maybe its Kate and Aaron and he just assumes its Claire because the woman is carrying a baby?

Lost...I had a similar thought. Maybe Desmond told Charlie it was Claire and Aaron, but he didn't see Claire getting on the helicopter because he knew he would make Charlie upset? I don't know how Desmond's visions appear to him, but I don't think he would mistake Kate for Claire.

Why don't they address the safe room more with all the info about Ben and the Cash?

Hello, everyone! Sorry for posting late. No one is probably checking this anymore. But...I will throw my two cents in anyway.

I enjoy reading all the theories on this blog, but in the interests of diminishing clutter, I'd like to ask y'all to check before you post to see whether someone has already posted your theory/comment/question. All original comments are valuable, of course, but there's already zillions of posts and repeats don't really add anything to the conversation. Thanks!

To Lost in Texas: I loved your Santa Rosa Mental Hospital theory just for its creativity, but I don't think the writers would take that way out. Personally, I would hate it if it ended that way. Nevertheless, it's a good theory.
Also, in regards to your comment about Rousseau--HH mentioned that in Spanish, 'el' means both 'he' and 'it'. The same is true for French--the pronoun 'il' can refer to both 'he' or 'it'. So while it is a valid theory, the 'he' probably actually did refer to a disease.
On a different topic, I agree with the person who mentioned that Frank probably memorised the manifest when he was still supposed to pilot Flight 815. My theory on that, by the way: I think he was too drunk to fly it, so they made Greg Grunberg do it!
In addition, you are NOT an idiot and you certainly don't need to get a life!! We're all just throwing out theories here--some work, some don't. That's the Internet. That's LOST. And for a lot of people (myself included)...LOST is life!

I also love the vortex theory...after the last few weeks of episodes, it seems to make even more sense.

To pennysboat: Please don't post if you have spoilers and pass them off as your original thoughts. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you just hit the mark too closely this time.

I'm not sure who, but someone mentioned that Henry was instrumental not only in the events on the Island, but in fact handpicked those on the plane. I'm sure someone's already picked up on this, but it happened way back in Season 1, so I'll take a chance on restating it: Not only are they all better off on the Island, none of them were ever "supposed" to get on the plane...think about it, it even pertains to the pilot now. Who was trying to make them (in various ways) miss their flight, thereby possibly counteracting Henry, who made sure none of them did? Creepy.

To Barbara: "In the Bible Aaron is Jacob's great-grandfather." AMAZING theory.

To Autocratix: "Leapers of Space/Time"? You genius!!

Thank you all for theories. I liked this more than Daniel--a B+, AT LEAST--but then again, Sayid is my homeboy, so I have to rate him highly. If this was a Locke flashback, I'm sure Daniel would feel the same.