The Lost Diary

Not a great episode. Found myself not even paying attention at certain points of the show.

Hi guys! OK, before I comment on last night's episode, I just want to say Hello to all my peeps who comment on The Lost Diary, like Jannelle, Ana (the original), bandirun, cathead, and all my other peeps - you know who you are! ;-)

OK, a few things:
1) Why would Juliet be in therapy sesssions before she even was shown to her house? Didn't anyone else find the timing of that odd?
2) Goodwin is a hot piece of man lovin'.
3) Guys, I TOTALLY look like Juliet. I wonder if Ben has a crush on me too!
4) I hate to ruin this for everyone, but it is apparent to me that it is Michael on the boat. This may be the worst Lost suspense of all time

Have a wonderful Friday guys!
LIT

What initiated the gas release panic?... who pressed the button in the first place?

Seemed like a fine episode to me... more situation and character development. I hate when viewers come on here and say an episode sucked, because I have not yet come away with that opinion of ANY of them.

Okay, can someone clear this up for me. My boyfriend and I are arguing over this. I think, but don't exactly remember, that we knew Juliet and Goodwin were sleeping with each other right? But my boyfriend doesn't remember ever knowing that. Did we find that out in a previous flashback of one of the others or am i losing it?

OK this is interesting... I did not post that post above... I know exactly who's posting as me... but just FYI, thats not me...

Jaclyn, you are right and your boyfriend is dead wrong. They did show Juliet and Goodwin sleeping with each other in an episode last year.

Also, once again, LOST IN TEXAS makes me want to puke.

I think you are a little too jaded by INCREDIBLE episodes to see that this episode wasn't horrible. It revealed a lot and at the same time presented more questions. Isn't that what an episode of LOST is supposed to do? Just because we were spoiled last week, doesn't mean this week was a bad episode.
On that note, I still think there is something fishy about Juliet and can I just say... that was the worst kiss ever! Talk about no chemistry. Oh, and Juliet- she is a homewrecker. Just had to say it. But at the same time she could kick my ass any day. So I will also say she is quite pretty.
Kate didn't drive me crazy- I actually liked her. And Claire suprised me, she may prove to be important after all.
I can't complain, I got to see Sawyer today- not for that long, but at least I got to see him once.
I give it an A.

Real LIT:

You don't think the spy on the boat is Michael, do you? Seems way too obvious.

Jaclyn, We did know they were sleeping together.

I liked this episode. It gave some more information on what was going on just prior to the plane crashing. But what ticks me off the most are the COMMERCIALS!!! 5 minutes of Lost for 4 minutes of COMMERCIALS. UGH. I was about ready to call NBC to complain. Lost is the best.

Brad,
Michael being on the boat does seem to obvious, but look at the episodes lately, ya know! Another idea, since ben told lock to sit down, the spy might be someone we thought was dead?

This is my last post as the real LIT because I obviously have to change my name...

I don't think the spy is Michael but I don't know... and I don't care.

I liked the episode

And I don't like the fact that people start out attacking me on this blog when its supposed to be about our favorite show. Now you're stealing my identity and using this forum to make fun of me instead of what it was intended for.

not the best......but it's all part of the ride ..... just waiting for the next big loop to come around.. sometimes you you need one that does not give you a headache trying to figure out whats going on.

I may be the odd one out but I liked this episode. I liked finding more out about the relationship between Juliet and Ben. Also the fact that Juliet was having an affair with Goodwin. I was still in Juliet's corner on that one until it was obvious from the ocean scene that she continued to see Goodwin after his wife warned her not too. Have to go along with the whole slut thing. LOL I'm beginning to have second thoughts about Ben. Maybe not as much evil as a sad character that thinks he is doing the right thing? I'm thinking back to the flash forward of Sayid working for Ben as a hit man. Could they be killing all those that are/were working for Widmore?

I have to disagree that this episode sucked. I really didn't think so. Obviously it will be hard to beat last week, but I don't think there are any real duds in this show. I need to go back and watch again, but I'm certain that the telling of Juliet's story is very important and I want to make sure I didn't miss anything vital.

When Ben gave that explanation to Locke about Widmore looking for the island, I was totally skeptical - obviously, that is part of it, but please, just finding it to make money? I don't think so, he already has enough money to waste that much time and energy looking for the island just for that reason.

Also - that fact that we'll probably see Michael on the boat next week just makes me MORE convinced that he's NOT Ben's man on the boat because it's too obvious. We all know that Lost doesn't just give things away willy-nilly. I'm not saying that I don't think Michael is ON the boat, but that doesn't mean he's Ben's man. How would they have been communicating with one another? And, why would Ben have told Locke to sit down to hear that? Michael left the island on a boat traveling on specific coordinates given to him by Ben... it wouldn't be a shocker to hear that Ben had sent Michael to the boat. I could take that info standing up.

Heather- LOST is on ABC not NBC

I'd have to say my favorite part was at the end when Ben is walking back to his house and Sawyer asks "What the hell are you doing here?" And Ben smirks "See you guys at dinner." His facial expression was just so aggravatingly... Ben! lol

I thought it was okay to have a bit of a mellow episode... I was starting to get heart palpitations every week! :D

Hey Daniel...

I have to agree with you about last night's show. It had some really good parts but had some really bad parts too. It really didn't tell anything I didn't already know or guessed! I still think the man on the boat is Michael.

Anyway to answer your questions, I like 16 weeks of LOST because if it was only twelve weeks that would be a whole month nother with out it. I don't mind the duds because I know great things are about to happen. Just my opinion, but I hear where your coming from.

Thanks for another great week of Lost Diary...Daniel you're the BEST!!

Aliah, good call. The kiss was more compassion than passion - blah. I still don't think that Kate was completely honest with Jack. I think she's pregnant and stayed b/c she wanted to gauge Sawyer's reaction. Also, I think Harper was an island manifestation, not the real Harper. Can Ben communicate telepathically with the rest of the Others, or is it the island communicating telepathically with Ben/Others?

I thought it was a good episode. Was that Desmond getting roughed up on the video with mr. widmore? I still think sayid is the man on the boat...michael is too stupid, and desmond has the sickness.

I think that Goodwin's wife must be dead...because she appeared much like Shannon, Jack,s dad, the cabin, etc.

Jack is a wimp anymore....he is lucky he is good looking. Juliet is interesting - still haven't decided if she is good or bad.

all in all....the episode answered alot of questions and opened some new ones.

Right, sorry, ABC not NBC. See I am still frustrated at all the commercials I cannot even type. :-)

Also, WHY every time an other appears in the jungle it is raining and you here whispers?? It freaks me out, but I love it!!!

"How could you possibly not understand that you're mine?"

...can't believe you didn't mention the quick follow-up line from Ben,

"take as long as you need."

Hilarious!

I actually liked this episode. I know I'm in a very small minority, but I really didn't like the Constant. Bash away if you wish...but just my opinion.

Oh, just remembered one other thing. If you watched the previews for next weeks episode did you see Claire jump into the ocean with Aaron? Does Claire drown and that is how Kate ends up with him? Or does Claire loose her grip on him, Kate grabs him but can't get to Claire before someone else does? Just wondering....

I'm so bored of people being jerks on this blog. There are so many good posts and I love reading them all, but the stupid fighting and mocking is getting so old. Coolie - if you don't like LIT's posts then skip over them and get over yourself. I disagree with at least 50% of the ideas people have, but that's why there is a blog like this so people can post their ideas and then think about what others have said whether they agree or disagree. This is a blog talking about a TV show we all like. We're not writing foreign policy so disagreements aren't the end of the world and there is no need to get snotty about it. Please, everyone who feels the need to nit pick and argue - grow up!

I just started reading this blog last week, and I love it! Love Daniel's "Lost Diary".
I have to agree that this episode is just mediocre. We were spoiled last week, definitely. I could have done without this episode, only because it wasn't that important. Question: Does anyone have any thoughts on who the guy was that was getting smacked around by Charles Widmore? My first thought was Desmond, but it could be Sayid too.
I think next week's episode will be better. I saw on E! News that Sun & Jin will be having their flashbacks (or forwards) next week and that we will know who the final Oceanic 6 are.

Too much drama, mama!

This week was bad- no Desmond.

I am still watching last week's episode. If anything happens to me, Desmond Hume will be MY cONSTanT!

ME Too,

Thanks for mentioning that - I wasn't sure who it was who jumped into the ocean. Next week looks like it'll be a doozey, and I'm glad we'll see a bit more about what happens with Sun and Jin!

I'm sure NBC would have loved to hear from you.

Even when episodes aren't totally mind blowing, I think all the info we get is very important.

Just a thought. We need to find a picture of Ben's mom and Annie. I am not quite sure which one juliet looks like!!!

"You look just like her"...Annie or Ben's mom? I stated last week that I thought Juliette could be Annie and no one commented. Thanks Daniel, at least I know I'm not the only one thinking on those lines. And Ben taking Juliette to see her dead lover...priceless!

For a while I thought that the psychiatrist was Annie, because I thought she was referring to herself by her last name, but then I looked on Lostpedia and saw that it was her first name.

I guess that Juliet does look a lot like Ben's mom, but we don't know what Annie looks like when she's grown up.

Calling NBC probably wouldn't help since the show is on ABC!

Is Penny Annie?

Penny and Juliet look sorta alike, could Annie have been spared from the Purge and been adopted by Widmore, like Ben did with Alex?

I think you got the title wrong... isn't it supposed to be "The Other Woman?"

Also, I think the time frame of juliet's flashback was interesting, because her last flashback covered some of the same ground. I don't think they'd done that before... the part when the plane crashed was in her last one. I want to go back and watch that episode to see if Harper walks up in the background when Ben sends Goodwin away.

Thank you Brad!! I was wondering why no one mentioned that. I was laughing and my friends got angry. I love Ben!

Also - (sorry, I'm posting in between answering phones so I keep losing my train of thought!)- my friend had a crazy idea that maybe Ben has something to do with pregnant women dying since his mother died in childbirth. I'm sure this idea's been mentioned by people at some point, but I thought it was pretty interesting.

Ben could be waging war against widmore to get Annie, like he did with Goodwin and now Jack

Here is a picture of Ben's Mom.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:3x20_emily_is_creepy.jpg

The person who jumps into the water in the preview isn't Claire. I thought it was so I watched it in slow motion about 96 times, definitely not her with Aaron. It's a woman (not sure who) who is shackled. I just couldn't figure out who it could be but she wasn't holding a baby for sure & looked nothing like Claire when you freeze frame it in an obsessive manner ;)

hey this is my 1st time posting & I hav a few questions.
1. Ben sez @ 1 point that if his people really wanted him they would've stormed this camp a long time ago. Where r Ben's people (the Others)? did they all die before Jack got to the radio tower?

2. Last season (or mabye the season prior) the Losties learn that the Others live on a separate island. is this were Locke is now? how did they get there?

3. Is Harper (or her manifestation) the Smoke Monster?

4. How does Ben communicate w/the outside while Lock had him, ..., well, locked up?

Any help on those would be very much appreciated.

Here is a picture of Annie

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:3x20_annie02.jpg

i liked this episode. not so mind boggling, and that was nice for a change. it's important to see the past of the characters so that we will understand future stuff. the funniest line i thought was when locke gave been his meal and ben said "rabbit? this didnt happen to have a number on it did it?" LOL....so nonchalantly!

I figured the chick in the preview is shackled with weight to get her down to the lookng glass station fast like Desmond did?

Kruxoli --

Where are the Others? - that's a good question! The last we saw them they were at the temporary camp they set up - the place they asked Locke to kill his dad... I think they were going to move from there, but we haven't seen them first. I believe they are with Richard Alpert who I hope we see soon!

As far as the separate island goes, I believe that just the Hydra (that's the zoo one right?) is on that island - the place they were keeping Jack, Kate, and Sawyer, not their little town, which I'm pretty sure is on the main island.

Tracy,
Is Penny Annie?

That is definitely one to think about. It would certainly explain the connection to Widmore and the island. Another idea to ponder!

All the episodes have some little bit of information we need. So they are all pretty good. The whole Jack and Juliet thing is yuck. I don't think it is Michael that is the inside man on the boat. I'm gonna have to go with Boone. That would really freak Locke out. He really cared about Boone.
Just a thought.

LIT-I've decided Coolio is in love with you. You know, in a 2nd Grade pulling on your pigtails sort of way. ;-)

I can't say I loved or hated this episode, but I knew going into it that it couldn't possibly be as mind-blowing as last week's. I do like learning more about Juliet, but I find the more I learn about her, the more I hate her. And Ben's little "you're MINE" line was creepy beyond all reason. After that I think Juliet's chances of getting off the island are pretty slim, at least as long as Ben is alive.

Oh, and Daniel..the female reaction (or at least mine) to the Jack/Juliet kiss was something like "NOOOOOOOOOO....I HATE that homewrecking b*tch"!!

Hey everyone! I've been watching since the 1st epi, and I'm completely addicited!! I have a new theory that no one has said. I have a strange feeling Ben is about to tell Locke that it's LOCKE himself on the boat as his man. It will be one of his time travel tricks. I could totally see Locke partnering up with Ben. He's obviously facinated with the guy & wants to have the leadership role Ben once had over the Others. What do you guys think??

i think one of the really cool things we found out is why widmore wants to get to the island....to exploit it!! i bet his vision is making the island some sort of retirement place for rich folks to come to and get better. that and the reason why daniel and charlotte started the gas sequence to render it inert was to make the island safe for people to come to...i think ben really does have the island's interest at heart. imagine if the island's healing powers are like that movie cacoon where it was cool if a couple of people swam in the water and got better but when everyone from that retirement home went it sucked the power out of the water. bad analogy but hopefully you get what i mean.

Boone! wow. That would be cool. (but i still think Ben is his own man on the boat -- and you all can make fun of me if i'm wrong!)

I found this. Though it was very interesting as everything associated with lost has a background!!

The Tempest: The name of the DHARMA station comes from the play written by William Shakespeare, which was first published in 1623. It tells the story of the sorcerer Prospero and his daughter Miranda, who are stranded on a mysterious desert island that has mystical properties. Prospero raises a storm, or tempest, which causes a passing ship containing his enemies to run aground. Using magic, spirits and a man-beast creature named Caliban, he separates and manipulate the survivors of the wreck for his own purposes. The play ends with Prospero restored to his former glory

Not a great episode. I too found myself not paying attention at times. To answer Daniel, even bad LOST is good LOST, so the more episodes for me, the better, even if they suck like this one. Some interesting things that I found though:

1. Look at Harper's framed certificates in her office. The one on the right has a Hanso logo on it at the bottom, left hand side. It says Hanso and has a Yin/Yang symbol. Also has Harper's name at the top. Did she work for Hanso/Dharma or did she assume the identity of the real Harper who used to work for Dharma? Is she an island original or actually Harper?

2. I'm not sure how Ben's ham would have dried out. The oven wasn't even on! I don't think it was even plugged in!!! Ha!

3. In the preview for next week, it looks like Sayid is holding a note written in block letters, in very childish or uneducated handwriting. It says "DON'T TRUST THE CAPTAIN" or something like that.

4. Kate - really, turn your back on them. OK, that was stupid writing right there.

5. Even more funny that the Scooby Doo line was Ben at the end last night. "See you guys at dinner." F-ing hilarious!

6. I still want to know the significance of the "list" that included certain people (mostly kids) from the crash. Really, just who came up with this list?

7. Well, the cats finally out of the bag on Charles Widmore. As if everyone hadn't already figured that out already. As far as the guy he was beating, it didn't look like anyone I had seen before. His hair was very curly and kind of springy. Didn't recognize him, either b/c it's insignificant, or we're not supposed to recognize him. But, someone brought up a great point. Widmore doesn't want the island for financial reasons. That's dumb if Locke believes that. Widmore has plenty of money. He wants it for other reasons.

Later.

interesting fact- The actress who plays Ben's mom is his real-life wife.

I'm a bit worried about Miles. I wonder if he's still in that shack with the grenade in his mouth.

To answer your question, I was pretty upset to hear that there were going to be fewer episodes. A bad episode of Lost is better than most of the shows on tv. I heard on the last podcast that they won't be sacrificing any of the story lines, which was what I was wondering. They'll just be addressing some next season instead of this season.

This is a great site! I'm officially switching from TMZ to this!

Does anyone think that Ben's motives against Widmore might not have to do with saving the island, but with seeking revenge for Annie? When the psych lady said that 'you look just like her' to Juliet, I thought of Penelope Whidmore. Could she be Annie? She's the only one alive that maybe could look like Juliet

When Ben got so possessive about juliette with respect to godwin, I thought that same thing might be going on with whidmore.

also, anyone else catch when charlette said that, 'he's done it before' about gassing everyone... unless someone (annie) escaped the purge, how else would they know about it?

I liked this episode. I think these episodes are necessary. I enjoy when you go back and learn even more about scenes you have already seen several times. I also love the argument i have with myself if Ben is really good or Bad and same with Juliette. I can't wait to see what Ben is up to because he is always up to something.

me too & erin. i paused my tv on that scene and it wasnt claire that jumped into the water...it was some brown haired chick (but not kate either)

Here's a picture of the man captured by Whidmore...

Here's a picture of the man captured by Whidmore...
http://bp1.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/R9DCjMyb-cI/AAAAAAAAVGM/CsJAV-aIr4Y/s1600-h/Image3.jpg

I thought the Ben/Locke scenes were fantastic as usual. The rest of the episode was kind of just meh.

I thought it was incredibly strange and a bit uncomfortable seeing Ben really excited and running around in that dinner scene. It kind of threw me off for a second. And then the way he stomped off after showing Juliet the body. He was like a 5-year old there, which is weird to watch because it's BEN!

To answer the question, I'd say yes and no. The quality of the episodes would get better because there would be no room for bullshit. At the same time, I'm selfish and want lots of episodes just to extend the Lost experience.

That said, I have high hopes for next week. I'm curious to know who the last of the Oceanic Six is.

Okay, well everyone knows I like Juliet. I am a fan of her. While you guys might call her a homewrecker, I think she felt the typical alone in a strange place and Goodwin came to her. It takes two to tango people...you can't dislike Juliet and like Goodwin. Also, I got bad vibes from Harper anyway. She seems kinda(?) good looking and she was a doctor and now that Juliet, the new hot doctor is there, she has a little bit of jealousy before Juliet starts sleeping with her husband? PS Who does she look like????????????? (referring to Harper's comment)

Harper - she came off well, like a biatch. Didn't like her from the moment she started talking. I think that she is dead. I have a feeling she might have gotten pregnant (?) but then again Goodwin said he was sleeping on the couch for a year and obviously Harper knew the women were dying...

On to Jack - I still think his thoughts are cloudy because he might have that I'm going to go home thing going on. I think in the FF he might be all distraught because he left Juliet along with the other Losties? He likes her and there's no denying that. But I can't figure out what to make of him and Kate in FF's.

Ben is good...scary good. That's all I have to say about that.

Mr. Widmore...I honestly did not see that coming. Who was getting beat up? Is that important?

Michael is the man on the boat. I have tried a million times to think how they would bring him back into the show, but that is the only way. I think so many people have figured it out that the writers/producers aren't really hiding it too much.

Claire - it was not her jumping off the boat. I watched it in slowmo and its some woman wrapped up in heavy chains and Desmond goes running after her. Good for her questioning Locke...she's not as dumb as the

Kate - still hate her. I wonder how she committed all these crimes because she is stupid.

Charlotte - still hate her.

That's all (alot - sorry) for now. I liked the episode because it told me why Charlotte is the way she is and I am glad her and Jack has kissy kissy face time. Haha. But I only have one question and I know those who know me know who I'm looking for...

Sun's dad must have something to with Widmore and the frieghter.
He was some crazy Korean mafia type. I am sure they are all connected.

I posted right after the episode ended under the Q&A of last week's episode but I was SO disappointed that I'll post it again.

Terrible episode! Juliet is NOT an interesting character at all. Mostly everything they showed we already knew or could have guessed.

She's a slut and Jack is so fickle I want to slap him.

I don't trust ANYthing Ben says and I don't get why Locke does.

I'm convinced it's Sayid that's the "man on the boat".

I hate when Kate gets all wannabe tough woman with the gun. It just doesnt suit her.

Juliets face is annoying.

I gave this episode last night a C- and I'm sticking to it! blah!

Larry- I agree, I want to know more about "the list." On top of that, I want to know why the rest of the "others" went along with the notion that it is ok to kidnap the people from the plane? I just find it odd that these people blindly follow Ben and Jacob... but Ben does have a way of manipulating people.
Also, I agree that the reasons Ben gave for why Widmore wants access to the island are pure BS. He doesn't need anymore money- there is another reason. Oh, and I agree with Daniel, I do not believe for a second that Ben just used his last bargoning chip.

QUESTION ON OCEANIC 6

QUESTION ON OCEANIC 6

QUESTION ON OCEANIC 6

4 of the Oceanic 6 have been revealed so far (Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid).

So, who's the other two?

last night i was trying to figure out how ben stays in contact with his people. he obviously knows whats going on outside of his cell & i think its pretty doubtful that he has some sort of walkie-talkie or locke would have noticed. so how does he do it. in my mind its clear that dharma was trying to figure out the side effects of traveling to & from the island & how to manipulate it to their advantage. well if thats true then ben must know how to as well. i started wondering 2 different scenarios. 1 i dont think desmond's experience last week was so much "time traveling" as an out of body experience. maybe ben can somehow meditate or move his mind to himself in a different point in time when he's with his people again. but that doesnt explain everything. that led me to something else. 2 remember in the beginning when everyone was talking about twins because of the dr. in the video identifying himself by 2 different names when it was the same actor. maybe its not twins but clones, and ben has a clone ben that is with his people at the temple. sounds stupid this morning but i was pretty buzzed last night so i might'a gone a little wild on that one.

OOOOOO - I like the clone idea buttercup!

Flycj.....
Thanks for the still photo of the captured guy that Widmore slapped around. That is definitely not Desmond or Sayid.....Who the heck is that??!!

ps when i said charlotte is the way she is i meant juliet and that claire isnt as dumb ad the writers made her to seem

"9:26 -- Another fantastic Ben/Locke scene. First off, why doesn't Locke see that Ben is right? They are on the same side in this. And secondly, the man the freighter people work for has to be Penny's dad, right?"

How did you know it was Penny's dad?

My money is on Sun being one of the O6. I bet we find that out next week, since Juliette made a huge deal in the preview about her needing to get off of the island within a three week period, or else she's going to die. I'm saying Sun. I've also been saying since Day 1 that Michael is the man on the boat. But, the way Ben made it sound like it would be a really big deal for Locke, I'm just not sure right now.

BTW, after looking at that picture of Ben's mom, Juliette does look like her. It could explain his obsession a little. Also, until I see an episode with more Annie, I'm not going to care anything more about her. I'm tired of her name!!!

Could anyone make out what the whispers were saying in the Jungle?

Someone help me...I don't remember this Annie kid at all.

I liked this episode for one reason: It answered everything I need to know about Juliet so we can just stick her in the background and get her out of the way. Next week's episode is called Ji Yeon, so I'm hoping it will do the same for Sun & Jin.

SB- ok. Juliet is definitelly not the only one to blame for the affair and I thought Harper was a biatch too. BUT Juliet still slept with her husband. Also, that kis with Jack and Juliet was really pathetic. No passion, nothing. I am not a fan of those two, but if you are gonna kiss... give us something to talk about. And I completely agree about Claire, she is the only one who brought up a very valid point- WHOSE BOAT IS IT??? Locke is blinded by power and cannot see things that are right in front of his face. Idiot. Oh, and it was priceless at the end... Ben is so creepy I love it.

Larry, I think the whispers were saying save the island, but I am not 100% sure.

Laura, Annie is ben's childhood friend before the gas killed off everyone. We don't know where she is.

Yah, how did everyone figure out that it was Mr. Widmore's boat. I mean he seemed so willing to give Desmond Penn's address like he knew what was going on. I think convincing Desmond to do a race around the world or whatever was a plan, but I just couldn't find how everone connected that to Christiane I being Mr. Widmores boat...

Thanks Aliah. I'll have to fast foward to that point and turn the volume up this weekend. I don't think I'll be watching the whole episode again!

people with money always want more money...its like a drug. so i dont think we can say for certain that he's not into the island for money. it would be cool tho, if he had some sort of terminal illness & wanted to fix himself, but wouldnt that mean he would have to stay on the island forever?

Buttercup,

You're right. I just rewound and watched it again too. Trying to play with our minds. What else is new?? The woman jumping is holding onto large chains, cradled like a baby, that appear to be the kind used for an anchor. This woman had long brown curly hair so I thought it might be Kate. Rewound again and doesn't appear to be Kate either. I don't reconize her. Also, Desmond is seen running toward the end of the ship as though he is trying to stop her from jumping. BUT, this could just be the way the preview clips were put together.

QUESTION ON OCEANIC 6

QUESTION ON OCEANIC 6

QUESTION ON OCEANIC 6

QUESTION ON OCEANIC 6

QUESTION ON OCEANIC 6

QUESTION ON OCEANIC 6

Which members of the Oceanic 6 have been revealed? I'd appreciate some feedback.

Even though this episode wasn't as INTENSE as last week's, I thoroughly enjoyed it because it was downright FUNNY.
More one-liners in one episode than ever before!

And I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought Jack and Juliet's kiss was the least passionate kiss of all time. It makes me wonder how things will continue to develop...

I think Mr. Widmore would be the only one who would have knowledge about Penny's search for Desmond and that he would be the only one to know to block her calls... that is why I thought it was Widmore's boat.

I also think the boat race was a set-up for Desmond and I think that Libby has something to do with that set-up. I am not sure how yet, but somehow she is connected with the conspiracy.

The girl that jumps hasn't been seen before, I assume she's Regina that we've heard of on the boat?

Widmore was the major bankroll for darma, ben killed his friends and co workers, michael is on the boat becouse ben made the deal and set him free with walt, thats why walt showed up to locke in the grave after he was shot, michael and walt are playing both sides.

I thought Minkowski told Des and Sayid that they had been sent by Whidmore and waited offshore for a long time? I thought that was how we knew it was Whidmore's boat

didn't minkowski say that penny had been calling the boat and that it was whidmore's boat?

Widmore's name had not been associated with the boat before last night's episode. Minkowski never mentioned a name.

I think Juliet looks like Ben's mom and Ben certainly has some deep-seated issues surrounding his mother.

I don't think Annie is Penny because wouldn't that mean Mr Widmore knew where the island was? Also, would Penny have developed such a prominent accent if she had spent her childhood on the island instead of in the UK?

Does anyone think there's something about the water on this island? Locke is often purposely going out into the rain and usually closes his eyes and smiles as if the rain is maybe cleansing him or somehow overly refreshing. Plus, when Charlotte crashes and releases herself from the parachute, she seems mighty happy to be splashing around in the water she lands in. You could also make a stretch and say they are often showing people getting water from streams, etc. but then that is also just something that would commonly be done.

I like the clone idea...must ponder...

I actually loved Ben this episode. Honestly I think it gave us a bit more straightforward insight into his intentions. He wants to do what is best for the island, even if that means killing everyone who comes in contact with it, because he believes the end justifies the means. We know Sayid eventually comes around to his way of thinking, so he can't be totally evil.

And also, we saw an awkward side to Ben's personality that we didn't see before. We know he carried a torch for Annie and he probably never had a real relationship before. I thought Ben was fabulous overall this episode.

As far as the clunkers go, every show is going to have a few. And, really, even the clunkers this season have been better than 95% of the stuff on TV. Gimme my 16 episodes, please.

Can't believe you are all missing the best quote from last nights episode. After locke hand ben some rabbit to eat ben says "this rabbit didn't have a number on it, did it?" This was great, but only makes sense to those of us who have watched the orchid training video. Wonder why he was worried about eating the numbered rabbits?

Man on the boat? Eko. The 3.15 on the staff...connection to the landlocked ship....

It seems every episode I watch (never missed one yet) I always come away with a good chuckle. In Another Woman it had to be Ben busy in the kitchen with the ham. Too much! I am still grinning.
Harper (Andrea Roth) is a great actress, I know her from Rescue Me. My only hope is Kate and her get a cat fight going.........Kate is starting to get on my last nerve.

I don't think we "knew" it was Widmore's boat because of anything that was revealed in a previous episode. But, I know that when I decided it was his boat, I was just trying to figure out who made the most sense. Widmore's the only one I could come up with that really fit the bill. It just seemed obvious to me that he would be after the island. Now, the question is, is he working alone? I've always kind of thought he was working with Sun's father or Dharma/Hanso. But, interesting to note, if he is associated with Dharma/Hanso, he probably would not have had to bid on that Black Rock journal, and more importantly, the Map that Daniel and Charlotte were following last night probably would have been a heck of a lot more detailed. That map looked like it had been drawn by someone with very little island knowledge, as evidenced by all of the "unknown's" written on it. But, did that map seem familiar? At first I thought of Rousseau's maps, but they were more detailed.

Rambling.

how did someone trip the gas to start leaking at the tempest and conveniently Charlote and Daniel show up just in the nick of time and save the day?

I don't believe Charlotte and Daniel about saving them from the gas- maybe just for the time being. Ben's going to gas them all again? (including himself?) Even Alex?

Thats seems improbable (although the inital Purge did too!)

You guys are definitely right that it takes two to tango, and the Goodwin is just as much to blame for the affair...and I can't say I'm a huge fan of Harper. She doesn't seem like the woman you want to cross...so I'm intrigued by the fact that she was "sent" to give Juliet those orders. Were they really from Ben? Is Harper even still alive? Or was it all a hallucination generated by the island? I'm kind of leaning in that direction.

I still don't like Juliet though. In my opinion that woman is always out for her own interests. While that doesn't necessarily make her "evil", I have to question the character of someone who will do ANYTHING for their own benefit. She doesn't care who she lies to, who she hurts, or who she has to betray. It all comes down to what is best for her.

Clones? Numbered Rabbits? Time travel?
GOOD STUFF, GOOD IDEAS, Darma had it going on

On the scenes for next week, they said they are going to reveal the 6th of the Oceania.
I can only figure out four Kate, Jack, Sayid and Hurley. I know there was a funeral in the last years season ender,
Have I missed one?? Ben and Aaron were not on the plane.

Ok, Daniel i have to disagree with you on feeling less in love with Ben, i am warming up to Ben more slowly and last night's episode increased my love for him. I think that Locke's purpose is coming to an end and that Ben completely foreshadowed a revolution, ie. Claire's murmuring about the boat-watch for it. Locke is increasingly becoming Ben's marionette, its so obvious I am surprised people still think of Locke as an autonomous thinker, he is clearly on the defensive and Ben is all offense while in a defensive position. Locke certainly had insight beyong the other losties into the islands power but we are now seeing how that insight is still quite limited, he has no idea what's going on, in my opinion. Maybe he will prove significant and find out soon.

As for Juliette, meh, she dies so she is insignificant to me. Also the non-answering of the seemingly one-dimensional losties, ie. Jack, is reminiscent of Knott's Landing or Dynasty, wish they'd steer away from classic night time soap behaviour.

I have said enough, just wanted to say i love this blog, am new to it but have watched lost since day 1. Thanks for having it.

Does no one remember when Desmond set sail on that boating competition? He was trying to beat Penelope's father ( MR. WHITMORE ) at that race but he had a wreck and washed up on shore of the island and also found Penelope's dead father on the rocks. If Ben knows what's going on, wouldn't he also know that Mr. Whitmore died in that boating race? Am I not remembering this right? Am I wrong?

they are probably going to reveal the final 2 of the Oceanic 6.

Jennifer, what are you talking about? Widmore wasn't in the race, it was a race he organized. He is alive and well.

Oceanic 5
Hurley
Jack
Kate
Sayid
Desmond

Desmond wasn't on the Oceanic flight, and therefore isn't one of the Oceanic 6.

Desmond is not O6- he was not on the plane and the show has not shown Desmond post island, he simply has made it to the freighter.

Go to LostHatch.com and check out Paulo. If you remember he is the one that was left paralyzed by the spider bite and buried alive. Also stole the diamonds. I could be wrong but he looks a lot like the guy being roughed up by Widmore.

Aaron, however WAS on the flight

I MIGHT UPSET SOME PEOPLE HERE BUT I PERSONALLY THOUGHT LAST WEEKS EPISODE SUCKED! IM NOT A FAN OF DESMOND AND REALLY COULD CARE LESS ABOUT HIM. I DO HOWEVER LOVE BEN! THEREFORE LAST NIGHTS EPISODE WAS GREAT FOR ME, EVEN THO I CANT STAND JULIET EITHER. YOU HAD TO LOVE WHEN BEN WAS SHOWING JULIET GOODWINS DEAD BODY AND TOLD HER TO TAKE ALL THE TIME SHE NEEDED AND JUST TURNED AND RAN AWAY! THE SCENES BETWEEN HIM AND LOCKE WERE PRICELESS! AND THEN THE FINAL SCENE "SEE YOU AT DINNER" I MEAN REALLY? THE SHOW JUST LEFT ME IN A GREAT MOOD!! KISSES TO SAWYER! XOXO

I wasn't blown away with this episode, but I like that we are getting a little something now from each new episode. I was getting frustrated with the adding of new layers without ever getting any answers. So, I'm satisfied with how this season is going and look forward to each new episode this season. Does anyone have a link to the transcripts of the "whispers" from last night's episode? I love reading them....soooooo creepy!

SaraK - what an interesting theory that Locke is the man on the boat in another time. That would be cool and explain why he would have to sit down to hear it. I'm not sure how that would work though because I don't think island time and frieghter time are that far apart. Cool theory though.

I liked this episode. It had more island mysteries in it which I love. And no FF's which I found refreshing. I like the FF's, but sparingly.

Yeah - Desmond was not on the flight, but Aaron could certainly be considered one of the O6.

I just got to say...any episode without Sayid is a dissapointment. He is Hot with a capitol H! If my being assasinated by Sayid meant that I would first get to sleep with him...I would die a happy woman!
I think Walt is Ben's "man" on the boat..and he tells Locke to sit down because
once he explains the time difference-years have passed instead of months...and Walt is now a young adult...Locke will be shocked. Michael is on the boat also...but as a prisoner, forcing Walt to use his special powers to help Ben protect the island. I also think that Walt is being groomed to be the next protector of the island.
I have noticed something funny in the majority of the posts...although I thought the kiss between Jack and Juliet was high on the gross out factor...people are quick to condemm Juliet for her actions. What about Kate? She has played Jack and Sawyer this entire time...one minute she loves Jack...then the next she is sleeping with Sawyer.
My favs are Sayid and Hurley. I think Hurley is adorable! Sawyer is pretty hot too! I don't like Desmond (don't trust him) and Jack is way too wishy-washy for me.
Wish they would bring Rose and Bernard back into the story and will be glad to find out more about Sun and Jin next week.
Thanks for listening!

Oceanic 5 or 6
Hurley
Kate
Jack
Sayid
Desmond
and the baby with Kate

Anonymous @ 09:37am - WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING???

you can't consider aaron as one of the 6, a passenger is only a passenger who's name is on the manifest. being inside your mother's pregnant stomach doesn't count as being a passenger until you're actually born- sorry

Even though Aaron's name's not on the manifest, he was a survivor of Oceanic Flight 815

I think this episode was not that good, but any Lost is better than other shows. The only good parts involved Ben and Locke, and I'm just loving that wacky Ben more and more. Juliet, on the other hand, I'm liking less and less. And lest you think I'm only picking on Juliet for the adultery, I don't like Goodwin either. And his wife is just beyond creepy, and not in a good sort of way like Ben. Best Ben lines since "Man From Tallahassee." He saved the show. And is anyone REALLY not liking Charlotte? She bugs me.

They never said the 6th person was going to be revealed in next weeks episode they said the last of the Oceanic 6. I believe there are still 2 more people getting off that island as part of the Oceanic 6.

your right, Des was not on the flight but the baby would be considered a survivor right

Desmond is NOT one of the Oceanic 6 (or 5 as Dennis said) -- he wasn't on the flight.

I like Tickles* idea that Walt is being groomed to take over Ben' helm, like Ben was groomed by Richard.

Walt and his father Michael remind me of Ben and his father, but without the dog.

It is my belief that the O6 are the 6 adults that received settlements from Oceanic. That would be Jack, Kate, Sayid and Hurley so far. Desmond is NOT one of the O6.

The baby survived the crash of Oceanic 815 and would certainly be a party to any lawsuit and/or settlement and would therefore be considered one of the Oceanic 6

CAM - I agree. I'm going to say:
Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Sun, Jin

Larry- agreed. Especially from the previews for next week.

I think people are forgetting, beyond Desmond not being on the flight- we don't know if he actually gets to go home. We have only seen him on the freighter so far.

last night i was thinking harper meant annie when she said "you look just like her", but i think some of you guys are right...it probably was ben's mom that juliette looks like. ben was acting all goofy whenever he was around juliette but i thought that was cuz he had a crush on her, but if he thinks she looks like his mom it could be he was just acting like an excited kid & maybe he wasnt jealous of juliette hooking up with goodwin, he just doesnt want to risk her getting pregnant and dying in childbirth like his mom did.

Don’t forget about Michael…he is probably one of the Oceanic Six and also Ben’s “man” onboard the freighter.

Exactly. Plus, why would Widmore let Desmond get home anyway? He knows he and Penny love each other.

But, I do think Des does go home, but there will be a huge struggle that will last for way too many episodes!

I agree that Juliette resembles Ben's mom and that is why Ben is so weird about Juliette being "his". I don't think it has anything to do with Annie. I know that's creepy, but his mom did die in child birth and he never knew her. He only met the "ghost" of her when he was a child...as far as we know. Another thought...My friend mentioned that it's possible that Ben married at some point (maybe Annie who grew up to look like Juliette??) and she became pregnant and then died like all the other pregnant women on the island, and that's why he's so weird about Juliette. Just some thoughts.

O.K. Des was not on the manafest, I get it, he can be a survivor but not one of the SIX.I hope he makes it anyway. What if Walt and Michael were found by Widmore and he is using them to try and find the Island, that ould be the man on the boat. It could also have a connection to why Locke saw Walt after being shot. But not how Walt keeps getting from the boat to the Island unless he is time traveling like Desmond was doing after passing through the travel vortex when leaving the island.

and also the person in the coffin

Buttercup --

That makes sense - and it also would make sense that he would be sort of obsessed with her since she is a fertility doctor and his mother died in childbirth. I think that the whole pregnancy death thing will probably end up being very important - at least as far as Ben's persona is concerned. The fact that he executed the purge on his birthday has got to be significant as well.

Sidenote: did you guys hear Juliet's line, "It's hard being an other"... not a fan of her, but that is a great line. Who likes to be referred to as an "other"

As for Juliette, meh, she dies so she is insignificant to me.

Posted by: linds

Ummm, why would you post that? I get that you're new to the blog, a lot of us are but posting spoilers is sucky. You suck for putting something like that out there. Some of us like to watch the show without knowing details beforehand, we come here to discuss what's happened, not post info that will ruin it for everyone.

If Michael and Walt were "found" by Widmore's boat, then I'm pretty sure that's what Ben wanted to have happen. Because of the handwriting on the note to Sayid in the preview, I feel that it's from Walt, and Michael's the man on the boat, regardless of whether or not it's too obvious. Sticking to my previous theories, going a long, long way back.

Larry- I agree with you. Just because it is too obvious to be true doesn't mean it isn't true. I thought it was obvious the boat was Widmore's and I was right. I think Michael is the man on the boat... but we may be suprised by other facts about his story of getting off the island and how he becomes "the man on the boat."

Everything is not always what it seems... even if it seems too obvious.

I really like Juliet! People keep calling her a slut, and yes, yes, she was sleeping with a married man and yes, yes, it takes 2 to tango... but I feel like the stuff with her sick sister and her being duped into her ridiculous duration on the island and how she gets tears in her eyes as these pregnant women die on the island and how she seems so deeply sad to be trapped on the island -- she is one of the mostly lovely characters on the show. To me, she is up there with Ben and Sayid. Her complexity and the ways her past interlaces with her situation in that she is on this island now against her will and being loved (or whatever) by a man she is deeply uninterested in (if not afraid of) -- with all the mess that happened with her wasband off the island... she is underrated!

I think I need to go back and rewatch this entire episode. I think there was actually more to it then I got from the first viewing. I did pick up on the number on the rabbit question I assumed that if there was a number on the rabbit it was being used for experiments and you wouldn't want to be eating it. Did you notice after that question Ben was seen only eating the green beans? Another thing, when Juliet ask Ben why he wasn't more excited about Jack being a surgeon that could save him. I think there is more to that question that I haven't figured out yet. Did finding Goodwin dead spoke Ben about trusting Jack to do the surgery???

The comment from Harper saying that Juliet looked like "her", along with Ben's comment to Juliet that she was his, stuck out in my mind. Is Juliet a daughter???

Also, I want to know how people (Harper) just show up and dissappear. Ben must have ways to communicate. And the Others, who we haven't been seen in a while, must know what's up with Ben.

The Freighties are there to "disarm" the poison spreader? Why is that a secret?
If Ben wants to poison everybody, how was he going to survive?
(Sorry, question from The Constant episode)When Penny tells Desmond that she knows about the island, what exactly does she know about the island?
Good episode. Better on reflection. More LOST is always better.

I still think Kate is Annie. In Eggtown we heard the bailiff read her full name "Katherine Ann Austen". Plus, the little girl playing Annie looked like a young Kate and there was that whole Appolo candy bar thing.

tickles, i like your ideas. and thank you for noticing that kate is just as bad. shes more manipulative than juliet. I know the kiss was a little lackluster, but I will stand by my favorite people...jack, juliet and....hahah you guessed it...christian

So why have hey not revealed exactly what Dharma was up to, and how come no new food drops have been made? Didn't one came in last season and who made it? There must be some communication line to the outside becouse the submarine had to go somewhere when it used to leave. Where have all the others gone?

The last we heard, the Others went to the Temple.

Did anyone catch that Juliet said "Ben told me to" when she was asked why she was going to the Tempest? Wasn't it Harper who visited her in the jungle and told her to point a gun and squeeze the trigger? Is Ben able to communicate via other people? Is this all Ben's monkey-mind-controlled world?

I actually thought this was a very good episode, why do we always have to have an OMG moment at the end, or some science stuff (like in the Desmond episode) to think it's good? I don't necessarily think we have to fins out a lot about the island for an episode to be good. This episode filled in some blanks about Juliet, and we got to know her and Ben a little more. That is always good. Even though they would only have 10 episodes/ season, these kind of episodes would still be there. Just to settle things down, and to get the story going. Because it is many storylines that needs to be explained, not just "who are the remaning 6, and how do they get off the island".

SO I liked this ep. Sorry for my bad english..

if i remember correctly, one of the training/instruction videos for one of the stations said that drops would constanly be made no matter what - i could be wrong...

well ill enjoy coming back here sunday to read what people are saying. im taking a nice relaxing weekend after midterms by watching lost episodes back to back from season 1 and seeing how far i can get hahaha.

Tikibean, Harper said that Ben had a message for Juliet... then she told her Ben's plan.

Kate is not perfect, I agree. But I don't think she is evil. Juliet knows WAY too much to be trusted. Kate is new to the island and knows as much as the rest of the survivors. I truly believe that the survivors should only trust each other. Everyone else knows more than they are telling.

LOL..LARRY AT 9:39.. IM AT WORK AND STUCK ON CAPS! :)

I used to wonder about the Dharma food drops as well. Then I was reading about The Flame station. Evidentally, the pallet drops (food) were ordered from the computer in this station. That's my understanding anyway.

Ok, so Widmore industries has been involved with lots of stuff so far on this show: the pregancy tests had Widmore Labs on them, Henry Gale's ballon was sponsored by Widmore Labs, and we've seem Widmore stuff scattered throughout several flashbacks. Just how powerful is this guy? How long has he been searching for the island?

CHRIS - "Wonder why he was worried about eating the numbered rabbits?"

If the rabbits are CLONES and not time travelers, that could be why he wouldn't want to eat it, genetic engineering and all

When I first saw the Orchid video, I thought it was cloning, then changed my mind when the time traveling (or conscious self traveling) came into play

I look forward to reading this every week....you guys are the best!

I love the idea of Locke being the man on the boat - that would blow my mind! I too want to know how ben knows whats going on. I think Ben can time travel too and he's moving between the freighter and the island. I think he's figured out how to manage it.

I am less interested in finding out about the Oceanic 6 than i am in finding out what happens to the rest of them! WHY do only 6 get off????

Anonymous at 10:13am
the Caps Lock button is near your left pinky finger. By pressing it once it will unlock your caps. LOL;) I enjoyed my time here and will be back for the fun and info. Gosh I love Being LOST..........

I think Michael is Ben's man on the Boat.

Daniel tripped the gas by trying to override the system, it defaulted to destruct like any bomb would when someone attempts manual override.

To Erin and laura - Aaron is not an O6 survivor because he was born on the island and not on the plane manifest (just like Ben, Desmond, Juliet etc)

The theory I like best for the last two are Sun and Jin

This is my first post, but I've been reading the diary since the beginning. I felt the need to break my silence because I HATE Michael and if he really is the guy on the boat, I may have to kill myself. If I have to hear him shout "WALT" one more time, it may just be the end.

And there is no way Kate would have turned her back to Charlotte when she went into Faraway's bag. You guys may all hate her but her survival instinct is way better than that.

And if anyone is a slut, it's Jack. Back and forth, back and forth... Juliet Kate, Juliet, Kate. Ug! Juliet is totally playing Jack. I don't believe her "he knows how I feel about you" crap for a second.

***IDEA***

Could the black smoke monster be a dharma stations. Like the gas was the tempest station. What if there was a black smoke monster station...AND someone said Eko could be the man on the boat, we never saw him dead, the smoke monster took him.

I can't wait till we learn more about the smoke monster!!!!

Thoughts about the whispers -

I think the whispering is Jacob (and I think he's biblically related) and he's speaking in tongues, and the brains of the losties interpret it as visions that are familiar to them, and whatever character shows up for them is somehow linked to what they'll be most emotionally effected by so they'll do what Jacob wants.

Does anyone know what Penny's middle name is? I seem to recall it being Penelope Ann Whidmore, which I think could very well be Ben's Annie. I think that Whidmore has been a part of the Hanzo Foundation and is trying to get back to the Island to continue/finish/exploit the results of the time travel experimentation that went on prior to Ben's gassing of everyone in the foundation and taking over the island.

What if the "hostiles" are the physical manifestions of psychic people who've become unstuck due to the experiments, and are hostile because they want to stop more time travel from happening?

Ben is obviously smarter than Locke and it's pretty funny how easily Locke get's manipulated into doing what Ben wants. And the video and file being his last card? Yeah, right.

ANother thing: this was on the official LOST blog:
There are properties of the Island that are potentially capable of transporting things from the Island to the outside world. There are hints of how this can happen in the Orchid orientation film.

Given the numbered rabit comment, clearly the Orchid Video has a lot to do with this episode...

dennis - once again Desmond is not one of the O6 (by the way O6 means Oceanic 6 and Oceanic was the name of the plane :). He was on the island before the plane crashed. The baby with Kate, Aaron was not born when the plane crashed.

(read this slowly a couple times and see if it makes sense finally) :)

just to clarify, apparently i need to, i apologize. my saying that Juliet dies is in NO WAY a spoiler, it is just what i think will happen. I think several people will actually die in the 'rescue' and the rest we are expected to believe live harmoniously on the island. I just don't think Juliet is one of them, i think she dies trying to get off the island, probably like or with claire, i didn't mean for people to think it as a spoiler, just my opinion of what happens i don't see her as a significant character in the future. sorry.

Hey Widsl-what appolo candy bar thing??? that's an interesting theory.

I always thought the French chick was Annie (Ben's daughter's mother) ppl refer to her by what sounds like it's a last name and she resembles the young Annie.

I agree that Kate is just as bad as Juliet!

Even though I think Sayid could be the man on the boat b/c of his FF, whoever said that Locke could be the man on the boat in "future" is REALLY interesting too! It would REALLY explain why Ben said u better sit down for this. :)

Could be cloning and time travel going on. The make the clones to do the travel testing.

I really think when Harper said "You look just like her" she was referring to Ben's mother. Plus, unless Annie got super-thin-faced and blonde, that can't be who he is reminded of. Thus, I stand by Juliet looking similar to his mother. At first, when Juliet went into his house for the "dinner party" I thought Ben had a painting of Juliet, but then I realized it was of his mother. Plus, people who lose their parents early in their life often try to find people who remind them of their traits so they can feel like they have another chance with them.

ok.. I know this is 'way' out there.. but I am thinking charlie may be the man on the boat. Yeah we seen him drowning.. but who is to say he was not rescued somehow by the people on the freighter. I mean he was inside a crucial place the people on the freighter would be watching I think.

This could be how charlie comes to hurley. he is 'supposed' to be dead he says..

to avoid confusion or frustration on anyone's part... when you are suggesting a personal theory, try not to state it as a fact but say things like, I think... No worries linds.

To run the risk of sounding really cheesy... why can't we all just get along??

Hi Daniel from Gainesville, Florida, a so much cooler place to live after Ben mentioned us last night! By the way...the Virgin Mary appearing in mold on the side of a house (or business, I can't remember) really did happen a couple years ago.

As for Juliette, meh, she dies so she is insignificant to me.

Posted by: linds

Linds, you suck for writing this - we dont do spoilers here girl, it spoils the show for us who like our hearts racing

Jeepers - please read a few posts up. Thanks.

Jeepers:
It sunk in about Desmond around 9:50(see post). The baby could still count, we will have to wait and see.What is your thought on Walt doing the time warp to the boat and island? Is that why he is seen by more people. I still think Widmore picked them up after they left the island.

Michelle-if I remember correctly, Annie introduced young Ben to Appolo candy bars when he first arrived on the island. Then, when Kate found them in the hatch just after they first discovered it, she went totally ga-ga over them and stuffed a bunch in her pockets. Seeing that there were several other kinds of food she could have eaten/taken, seems they made a point of the Appolo candy. Now that I think about it, I think the episode with young Annie/Ben happened after the Kate eating the candy episode, which makes me think that it means something significant. Then again, my brain could be "Farradized" and I could be all wrong. ;-)

Tikibean-

Harper was there (she said) because BEN told her to tell Juliet to go do it, so, really, it was Ben who was giving the "orders".

Aliah - the smoke monster didnt take Eko - he was killed by it. We saw him not only dead, but burried.

Cam - I agree with you totally on that awesome one-liner by Juliet which was "it's very stressful being an other, Jack" :))

Okay, if we're really going to find out the last of the Oceanic 6 next week, then we've got 2 more to go. I'm pulling for Desmond to survive, really, but he's not "oceanic", neither is Ben or Juliet (who I doubt is important enough to survive til the end anyway), and I'm pretty sure baby Aaron doesn't count, seems like you'd have to buy a ticket and be on the manifest to be in this category. But if Sun's gotta get off the Island i 3 weeks (as per next weeks preview), then Jin is going with her; there's no way he'd stay behind while his pregnant wife sales away. So...
OCEANIC 6
Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Sun
Jin

I have a question:
If Whidmore sponsored the Henry Gale balloon? WHY?

When you go up in a hot air balloon, you stay over land for when you need to land. How did the balloon get out to sea and land on a magic island?

Was Henry Gale working for Whidmore? Was he searching for the island then too?

Remember the grandmother that Miles visited? We jumped to assume that she was related to Walt somehow because of race, but could she be related to Henry Gale (whom they never found because his balloon crashed and he died)

From the Bible - Daniel 2:23 talks about a statue...rather interesting stuff.

Yay get to go home early...it's a blizzard! Everybody have a beautiful weekend!

I need a refresher....does Ben know anything about Desmond???? I don't remember a connection. Has he known about Desmond the three years he was pushing the button? You would think Ben would want to know more about him. Wouldn't he create a file on Des and find his connection with Whitmore??
So in Whitmore's "file", wouldn't Desomond be in there?

THIS POST IS TO LOST IN TEXAS. IF YOU ARE GOING TO CREATE A NEW IDENTITY THEN CREATE ONE. I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS COOL THAT YOU ARE NOW USING MY BEST FRIENDS NAME THAT YOU RAN OFF THE BOARD TWO WEEKS AGO OR THE FACT THAT YOU ARE USING HER MYSPACE PAGE WHEN YOU POST. I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT SHE IS NOT POSTING THESE COMMENTS BECAUSE SHE HAPPENS TO BE AT WORK TODAY AND SHE HAS NO INTERNET ACCESS THERE.

SO STOP!!!!!!!

JODIE

Jam, I think we seen Henry Gayles I.D. when one of the others tried to pass themself off as Gayle, may be wrong but I think he was white.

dennis - love your theory on having the clones do the time travel testing

Ben as Henry Gale said that he and his wife were taking the balloon around the world. Not too far fetched as this has been done in the past in real life. But I do think it is interesting that the balloon was a Widmore balloon. Maybe he was searching for the island, but maybe a long time ago...

Dennis - the real Henry Gale was black.

I think, and it might be a stretch, the man on the boat is the Russian dude with the eye patch (can't recall his name at the moment). This guy NEVER seems to die! However, I also believe Michael is on the boat, but not necessarily "the man."
The whispers are freaking me out....lol
Juliet? Wow, slut....she kept messing with Goodwin even though Harper outted her! SMH
Ben-always love to hate him but he's so likeable...
Miles- wonder how long he's had that grenade in his mouth?
Claire- surprised she's stepped up to the plate
Kate-yeah, she irks me too....
Charlotte- on the fence about her
Sayid- yummy =)
Jack- yeah, he irks me too
Sawyer-yummy ;)

If Ben were able to "travel" to his "future" self, wouldn't he blank out like the rest? I also think Widmore and Sun's dad has a mutual interest in the island.

ANYONE CAN BE ANYONE THEY WANT! WHO CARES! GET OVER IT & TALK ABOUT LOST, NOT WHO IS POSTING AS SOMEONE ELSE & HOW MUCH THEY POST!

And yeah, I think the title was "An Other Woman", which is pretty darn clever given that Juliet is an other and a homewrecker. Last night's ep. also raises the question of whether we'll see flash-forwards for anyone who's not in the Oceanic 6, cuz Juliet's was the first flashback we've seen since flash-forwards came to be. I'm thinking they're just trying to keep us in suspense over what happens to those who don't leave the Island. I don't think they die, cuz then what's Hurley's (ad eventually Jack's) big interest in getting back to the Island. But something bad enough happens that the official story of the "6" is that there were only 8 survivors and 2 died. Also, why say 8 survivors and not 6? If you're going to lie, why not clean up the whole mess? Im sure I don't know.

From the preview for next week Sun said that shes taking things into her own hands for her and her baby. So the last two will be definatly be Sun and Jin. They will get off and have their baby so the Oceanic 6 rounds off to: Jack, Hurley, Kate, Desmond, Sun, and Jin. We also know Ben leaves and it will also be a possibility that Juliet and Desmond will also get to leave. But with it being Whidmores boat I dont know if he will let Desmond get back. Im sure Michael is on the boat now too from the preview and also it did kinda look like Claire jumping off the boat at the end and would explain why Kate had Aaron

Sayid, not Desmond. Not Oceanic.

people, we are here to talk about LOST. Please leave your personal beef with people off the message boards. The rest of us could care less. If you can't play nice, don't play at all.

I'm just saying that Charles Widmore is connected to a lot of different things, and it's odd. As far as the balloon thing, people have tried to sail a hot-air balloon around the world many, many times, so you don't have to be above land to fly a balloon. I feel like that was an attempt by Widmore to get to the island. By any means necessary. Boat doesn't work - try a balloon. Balloon doesn't work - try a plane. Plane doesn't work - try a helicopter. Oh, bingo, helicopter worked.

Of course, it could easily just be a way to spark debate and interest. Put Widmore on everything. That's what I would do if I was a writer for this show.

I liked the episode. Yes it was a different speed than The Constant but there is something very entertaining about people communicating without talking to one another. I have the scene with Ben, Juliet, and Goodwin in mind as I type this comment.

I'd rather have 16 episodes instead of 12. LOST has a way of making random useless information important in later episodes.

Sayid, not Desmond. Not Oceanic.

Graham - i was also wondering why they said 8 survivors and not 6, so it is kind of suspect. Maybe the other 2 died while they were traveling/being rescued? I definitely think Claire is one of these 8, which is why Kate ended up with Aaron

Juliet and Jack kiss came off as a hug because my DVR stopped recording LOST and then began recording Eli Stone. I missed the kiss and only saw the hug. The hug was good and it sounds like the kiss was bad.

My reasoning on why they had 8 is because of their story, they had to include 2 other people to make whatever their story is make sense... does that make sense?

I have some thoughts that I think may be a little out there, but need to be said.

1. I think that possibly Desmond is Ben's man on the boat, although I KNOW that the one coming back next week has to be Michael. Just makes sense when we know he's coming off. I hope to God that Michael is not one of the Oceanic 6 either, that would be a ripoff. It would make sense if Desmond was Ben's man and that Ben wanted to use him to get to Widemore. Just a thought!

2. Secondly I really can't stand Juliette. I hate her acting, and the looks on her face. Last night really drove home why I don't like her.

I did not think that last week was that great, I though it was cheesy. the part with desmond and Penny on the phone, I thouhg twas almost a joke. However- still a decent episode, once of the only episodes that was actually had a problem or event that was resolved in one episode. This week I was totally lost in the first 10 min. Was not sure what was going on. My brain could not process. I agree that Juliet is kinda a ho..However what I thought was most intereting is the new friendship between Ben and Locke. Ben has to be totally playing Locke, to have locke allow him to wander around free. I Keep thinking that Locke has to be totally playing Ben Secretly. And who the hell is the spy, I am starting to think that something is up with Sayid especially once I saw him killing for Ben. I could go on for hours about this..

Jeepers- I have the same idea about the 2 dying after too many people on the boat have seen them to pretend they didn't exist. And Claire would be a convenient one of these 2, but I actually doubt it for one reason: Why, if this were the case, would Jack have this adamant adversion to seeing little Aaron? They either steal that baby from Claire because she wants to stay on the Island and its not fair to the baby, or (and this one's fun) the baby, having been born on the Island, undergoes some sort of trippy side effects when they leave the Island, like aging 2 years instantly (explaining why he's like 4 years old in the flash-forward - would Kate really STILL be on trial?)

Could Charlie be the man on the boat?

Hey, anyone think it rather strange that Juliette was having dinner with Ben post the plane crash, since just prior to the plane crash Juliette and Ben were not really on speaking terms? Reminder: Juliette had a book club meeting and didn't invite Ben, which he was also upset about.

I think it is either MICHAEL on the boat or the creepy EYE PATCH GUY. The last we saw of him was when he was blown away by the grenade in the water but we all know that doesn't mean that he's dead.

I think Jeepers and Graham are talking about different things. Graham is asking why lie about there being 8 crash survivors? Why not just say there were only 6 survivors - the sic that are the O6? My thinking on this is that it seems more believable that the crash was so bad, that everyone on board except for 6 people, died, and those 2 extra people that survived and then died just had too extensive of injuries. It sounds better than saying "only us 6 survived. The End."

Jeepers - In Jack's made up crash story, he says that those 2 other people died as a result of their injuries. As it's a made up story, it doesn't really matter who those 2 people were, unless he claims on was Claire she had the baby, died, etc.

theorist - I think she had dinner with him because he lead her to believe it was a dinner party and there would be more people there.

i'll go with the theory about Michael being on the boat. didn't Vincent pop up recently when the boat folks did? Just sayin.

Graham - thats what I was saying in an earlier post. It just popped into my mind while reading on here this morning. What made him drown was the window was busted.. who busted that window?? I hardly think after all the years the station was there, just then it decided to bust. Desmond thought charlie had a fate to die. But since he may not 'know' he is alive.. then he actually thinks he is dead. OK that made now sense, but I am thinking charlie is the man on the boat

Did anyone notice that the guy from Johnny5- that was having the same thing as Desmond was the same guy that gave Hurley the lotto numbers? Am I imagining this?

i just started reading the comments, so i'm not gonna interject any theories or ideas - i don't wanna repeat ad nauseum anything that's already been said. but i will say this: i am loving all the episodes this season. some have been better than others, but i have not had a disappointed reaction at all. nothing like last season, where i felt really let down by basically the entire first half. even the "slower" episodes this season are intriguing, suspenseful stepping stones to the bigger, better ones. i'm so excited about the setup for next week! i can't believe anyone would walk away from any of the episodes this season and say, "that sucked."

Nevermind

Ok Graham, wait for this further-fetched theory. Suppose Jack finally found out that Claire was his half-sister - since these freighters seem to know the low-down on the passengers? Subsequent to which, Claire was part of the rescued bunch but something happened to her - which is why it was so traumatic for Jack.

I also like your thoughts on the baby aging rapidly and totally freaked Jack out :) Yet another reminder of the island and reason that he had to "go back" :)

Debbie - Eyepatch guy w/ grenade, that's what.

Dennis: going back to your Apollo bar thing - could Kate be Annie? After all, her middle name IS Anne....

Also what I still don't get (someone help me) is why Jack said at Kate's trial that there were only 8 survivors when there were like 41??? Anyone???

stacy- that is probably the story that the O6 have been manipulated to tell since they got off the island.

Thanks Larry - you are right, Jack did say the other 2 succumbed to their injuries. I guess it's like CAM said, probably to make the whole thing more believable.

You guys rock.

I don't know what's worse - my addiciton to Thursdays so I can watch LOST, or my addiction to Fridays so I can hit refresh on this blog when I should be working. Wonder if anyone has been fired for being on here all day!?! LOL

CAM: I thought maybe I was missing something...thanks. I still maintain that the midboggling thing is not who gets OFF the island but who DOESNT. I don't think I will make it through the summer...

Fridays are much worse in my opinion!!! At least for my addiciton!!!

Thank you for the clarification about Ben telling Harper to talk to Juliet. So then, where did Harper come from? Ben's locked up, so how did he communicate with her? Where is Richard and that other group of people?

I think the comment about the rabbit was just for a splash of humor - who would want to eat a test bunny in general?

Wow 215 post at time of writing this! I just don't have the time right now to read through them all, but will definitely catch up later.

I actually liked this episode. I didn't know Ben had a thing for Juliette. In fact, I'm curious whether Ben lost "the other woman" because she was pregnant with his child (Annie, maybe). That's why he's so obsessed with Karl being away from Alex, and bringing Juliette to help the women. I wonder if him releasing the gas had that effect on women and maybe he wanted to redeem himself.

I loved the "take your time" comment from Ben to Juliette after his big blowout. Classic Ben!

Gotta run now, will catch up later

Hi all,

Not a great episode, but nothing could compare to last week.

Here are my observations of this week’s episode:
1) So Ben feeds Locke this story that Widmore wants the island to exploit it and Locke seems to buy it, hook, line and sinker. But does Locke know the back-story to Widmore, meaning that Widmore was almost Desmond's father in-law? We all know that Ben knows the connection between Desmond and Widmore, so why didn't Ben explain that connection to Locke up front? His omission of this tells me that the Exploitation Story is bogus. Ben is portraying Widmore as an enemy of the island so that Locke will join forces with him in an us against them kinda deal. If Ben had told Locke that Widmore chartered a ship to look for his daughter’s boyfriend, do you think Locke would have let Ben out of the cell? Um, no. And does Widmore need the money he might generate from exploiting the island? Um, from all appearances, no. My theory may be completely wrong if, in a future episode we find out that Locke read Ben’s file and the Desmond connection is in there, but if its ommitted again, then Ben is, once again, making a tool out of Locke.

2)The Juliette/Harper/Goodwin thing. Ben and Juliette are looking through the microscope, in walks Goodwin, and Juliette says something like, "Oh, Harper is coming in to see me." Immediately, I thought Harper was going in to see her because she was pregnant. Then Goodwin makes the comment about sleeping on the couch for the last year, and I don't know if it was me, but I thought Juliette had a quizzical look on her face. Like, a “yeah, right’ kind of look. I think Harper was pregnant, and died like the other pregnant women, which is why she was able to appear and dissapear at the beginning of the episode.

3) This isn’t important, (like any of this is) but made me scream at the TV! Kate demonstrated some keen tracking skills in the jungle there, knowing that Juliette was a half an hour ahead of them based on some broken twigs or grass or whatever (wow!) and then she goes and turns her back on the two people she suspected were going to gas everyone and lets herself get belted in the head? Almost as bad as Locke turning his back on Ben and being shot and shoved in a pit of skeletons! When will these people learn? :)

Until next week!

Charlie is totally going to be the man on the boat. Ben arranged for him to be saved and put him on the boat as a spy. Daniel has to suffer through watching Charlie another season. It was too good to be true. But it's already been reported that Michael returns next week, so it could be a big disappointment and be him. Probably is. This season is much more predictable than others, so that's my bet. Sure would be fun if it were Charlie, though, as much as I hate him.

Jeepers, im still hoping Jack and Claire will make that connection, although I don't see how its possible since claire never knew her dad's name and jack has no clue (unless Christian Sheppard starts wandering around the Island again and lets the cat out of the bag, which would be fantastic since his casket was empty. But okay, say they figure that out and then claire dies - that makes Jack Aaron's uncle. Wouldn't HE be raising the baby when they got back, not hiding from it. Jack's our guy who has to fix everything, would he really do anything but make sure his nephew had the best of everything?

Stacy: If Kate was Annie, wouldn't she remember being on the island? And didn't Annie die?

As far as Michael being "the man on the boat" I think that everyone WANTS it to be him, they NEED it to be him because he's been gone for so long and why not make him "the man?" I think it's too easy to do that because everyone expects it, I'm keeping my bets on "Patchy" but I'll eat crow if I'm wrong.....

Thoughts on the Constant: though water was present, it seems that metal is more likely the conductor. yes, des turned off the faucet, but blacked out, he didn't touch water. Same with entering the phone booth, he bent to pick up coins and flashed. When Farraday asked what was the last thing you remember, he went right back to picking up the coins, he then called Penny from the the phone booth and she TOLD him she was moving then. he then flashed to 2004 and didn't know the phone number. When he again flashed back and met up with Faraday, Des knew the only way to get the phone number was Whitmore. At that point, Whitmore had no reason to not give the phone number to Des as Penny as clearly displeased with him and figured it wouldn't matter (I assume). When he went to her house, she gave him her number. He then seemed at peace because he had the number to call. During the Xmas Eve call, Penny was wearing indeed wearing a ring but it was on her right hand! P.S. Whitmore has had the journal since 1996, plenty of time to study and strategize his plans.

what i dont get (well one of the things!!) is why the hanso people would have sold the journal at auction anyways?? i'd think that would be something they'd want to keep to themselves.

Hey Daniel,

Long time reader, first time poster.

When Kate got knocked out by Charlotte my head nearly exploded. She is really dumb for someone who was on the run for so long.

About Juliet-while I don't really have strong feelings either way, I don't consider her a homewrecker, slut or anything like that. She was put in a horrible situation, and while it's not a great thing to sleep with a married man, she is single and wasn't breaking vows to anyone. Goodwin, OTOH, not so much. (Although he is yummy to look at).

Gerri--

Interesting thought about Harper being pregnant/dead. But perhaps Juliet's quizzical look wasn't "yeah, right", but thinking that maybe Harper was having her own affair? Although, ultimately I find it hard to believe she would get pregnant knowing she would most likely die.

I thought this episode was a B or maybe even B+.

I say the "man on the boat" is Walt. Would it being Patchy really require John to sit down while Ben tells him who it is? Michael or Walt, on the other hand....that may indeed shock the Locke!

sillyisland: Leonard (the guy that repeated the numbers over and over) is not the same guy as minkowski. Although now that you mention it, he seems really familiar. Anyone else know if this guy has been in some other Lost episodes?

Well, it was a different hanso. Alvar is the one who's in with DHARMA, but it was another first name at the auction.

OH, side note to earlier comment about Ben's mom, If I remember correctly she went into labor on the side of a road somewhere, PRIOR to him and his dad being on the island.

I think someone also mentioned Eko being the man on the boat... that would be awesome. I love Mr. Eko!!

I think Michael is on the boat, but not Ben's man. I don't know who it will be, but I hope we are blown away when we find out. I was soooooo wanting to know who Ben would say it was last night.

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"Lost in Texas" is time traveling and posting under different names...no wait.. everyone else is time traveling and posting under her name!! I'm confused-LOL. More drama on this site then Lost....Please laugh off the stupid stuff and just have fun!!!

Cound someone please explain why everyone thinks Michael is on the boat but not bens man? what would he be doing on the boat then? does everyone think he is a prisoner or do you guys think hes trying to get back to the island or what? I just dont get it.

Ok, I haven't had a chance to read all the comments yet, so I apologize if someone already said this. I've been thinking about who the man on the boat is. I keep coming back to Michael, but then I think that's just too obvious. So, I tried to think of who hasn't died, but who isn't around anymore. Remember that couple that got bitten by the spiders and "died", but didn't die? I can't think of their names. What if the Others rescued them from being buried and now they are the people on the boat? I always thought that particular episode was lame because those people came in from no where and then left so quickly. But nothing on Lost isn't without reason, so maybe that's their purpose? Am I crazy?

If Michael was on the boat it wouldnt be to give Ben information. Why would Michael want to help Ben keep all those people on the island against thier will? And if Whidmore captured Michael for his information and kept him on the boat, he wouldnt have access to all kinds of classified information about the people who helicoptered to the island. I think Michael might come back in a flash forward, wasnt he friendly with Sun - he was the first one to know she spoke English, and worked closely with Jin.

OK, I see the michael theories, I bet he is Bens spy- didnt anyone see Romeo and Juliet? He was the the one dressed in a white mini skirt with bright red lipstick dancing all over the place- that kinda guy is a spy..ha!

Ok, just follow my random thought for a moment (I promise it won’t take long)

What if Libby was an Other? She gave Desmond the boat which took him to the island and also she was also at the same Mental Crazy Place as Hurley. So she could have helped to get him on that same airplane as all the other Losties. Micheal killed her as commanded by Ben when she was starting to get all lovey dovey with Hurley. She would have unreliable to Ben if she was falling in love with Hurley so he offed her (similar to the lesson Syid had to learn about falling in love w/the wrong person).

We KNOW that the Others do leave the island to recruit people, like Richard did with Juilette. Is it too much of a coincidence that Jack just happened to be a spinal surgeon and Ben had a tumor? I think not…

So if we are playing off the fact that Penelope is somehow connected to Ben, then Ben getting Desmond to the island was a brilliant idea b/c he knew Penny would come looking for Desmond. But I don’t really know what the connection between Ben & Penny is besides her father….unless she is Annie’s daughter (long stretch I know), BUT Annie could have gotten pregnant by Ben ON the island and Ben made her leave to have the child and once she was OFF the island, she realized just how controlling/psycho Ben is and hooked up with Widmore who now passes Penny off as his daughter….

Shawna - I think Paulo and Niki were shown for one episode of Lost only because dying on the Island means something more than just your life ending - ie there's some greater significance there. And only seeing these characters for one episode gives us all the information we need to deduce this significance. Or at least its supposed to. Personally, I haven't got a clue, I just think the theme of finding resolution to one's issues and then croaking was too strong in the first few seasons to ignore (Boone, Shannon, Eko, Paulo, Niki etc.)

To the Original LOST IN TEXAS...Someone is posting on TMZ.com as lostlover, which took me by surprise, I didn't think you could use a name already being used. Daniel, What's up with that? When you do change your screen name, please let us know what it is. Would hate to miss your comments.

Play nice everyone! NAMASTE

Lost in Kansas - I definitely agree with you about Libby --- I think she was in the mental hospital undercover!

And the rest of your theory sounds really awesome too!

Lost in Texas is the person stealing everyone else's identity.

Walt and Michael may have drifted to Whitmore's boat. But I don't see how the Freighters would give up so much info to Michael.
If Ben has the power to bring Locke's dad to the island, then I'm hoping he's got a better means of getting info from the boat. I'm hoping it's someone who is doing a little time traveling, or something.

The identity crap is soooo lame, how old are we? If you don't like the blog please go away.

POST COMMENTS ABOUT THE SHOW ONLY PLEASE
YOU ARE WASTING OUR TIME WITH THE DRAMA

I really dont think anyone on the plane can be counted as being 'recruited' since ben had nothing to do with the plane going down. it went down because of desmond and and button. ben was as surprised as everyone else. unless he had something to do with getting des to blow that place up at that exact molment the plane was flying over... couldnt be though. he needed reports from ethan and goodwin and then that dude with the eyepatch to even find out who was on the plane.

it all has to do with those weird numbers. and opening "the box" by hurley using them.

I agree with Erin. Grow Up. This isn't high school. This is a blog about a TV show. Take your drama somewhere else. Personally I like the original LIT and her theories!!!

"Annie could have gotten pregnant by Ben ON the island"

that made me throw up in my mouth a little.

I am with you Aliah, like LIT's theories and want to know when she's back!

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Someone please fill me in? Someone posted as me first thing this morning and now I'm the one supposedly doing it?

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I don't know whats going on and I don't care!
This stupidity is taking away from the blog and its really becoming a downer-

Lost Lover post only about the show

Ew, Kristy, totally agree. Ben getting anyone pregnant is pretty nasty. I mean, I love his character, but imagining THAT is just W-E-I-R-D, weird!

LOST IN TEXAS I thought you were leaving.

Juliet definitely knows more than she's letting on...she told Jack she read his file...why are there files and who compiled them...not exactly airline procedure, even in today's hightened security. She also knew about the Tempest, and didn't tell anyone and she knows where the kids are.

Jaiyne - Thank you, I've said that in the past. It doesn't make sense that Ben "recruited" any of the people on the Plane, as he did not have a hand in the crash, and did not know who was on board. Now, it could have been another person/being/whatever that brought them all to the island, but Ben wasn't the mastermind behind that. Perhaps Jacob.

My question is was Harper really there or did she appear to Juliette like Eko's brother appeared to him? Sorry if this has already been asked, but I'm on a break at work and don't have time to read all the comments and this was the only thing that really puzzled me.

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Please Leave the website!!!!

Lost Lover - The Others made a file on each of the survivors. The file was not made by the airline. The Others took names that Ethan and Goodwin brought back, and they did research on them.

Thanks Larry. I guess the internet is all encompassing.

who/what is jacob, really? that's the one mystery that's totally driving me nuts.

who/what is jacob, really? that's the one mystery that's totally driving me nuts.

I just had a wild thought (could be way off of course)...

Could the two kids the Others took from the tail section be part of the Oceanic 6/ 8 "survivors"? They would be on the flight manifest obviously.

I know they haven't really played a huge roll in the show, but just something else to think about.

who/what is jacob, really? that's the one mystery that's totally driving me nuts.

who/what is jacob, really? that's the one mystery that's totally driving me nuts.

so, now every time i refresh, my last post gets re-posted ...

Kristi - That's weird. I was going to reply jokingly:

Nobody knows, Nobody Knows, Nobody knows, and finally, Nobody knows.

Locke said to Ben when he served him the rabbit something like "it's rabbit. There are no more chickens". And in the Eggtown episode two weeks ago Locke said to Ben when he brought him the breakfast of eggs and melon, "these are the last two eggs". Makes one wonder what happened to the chickens. Is it important or not? Why is it mentioned in two episodes? Now chickens can't reproduce on the island and died off?

Also really liked Ben in the kitchen with the ham, cooking for his bestest girl like he was "normal" or something.

LOL - Love ya Larry!

I dont personally think that was actually harper- I think the fact that she disappeared while Jack and Juliet were there makes it appear like she is another creation of the island- or jacob or whatever. Like Jacks dad probably was and Walt probably was. Somehow something other than Ben apparently wants some things done too. It just always seems that its Ben controlling everything...

Have we ever seen how Jacob and Ben first meet? or whatever you would want to call that- how Ben imprisons Jacob in the disappearing moving cabin?

And is it just me or have we not heard whispering voices in a long time?

I wonder who occupied Ben's house before him, when Dharma was there. I mean, there are pictures on the wall, which could be his, though they don't look familiar. There are secret rooms and a scary basement. Where these things added by Ben, or did Dharma include them in the house blueprints?

I still think it's funny that the oven wasn't turned on while he was cooking.

We havn't heard the whispering voices in a good bit on time, I would remember, they ALWAYS freak me out. They give me a complex...ha ha ha

llama2 - I also loved that part with Ben in the kitchen and when Ben asked Locke if the rabbit had a number on it.

gerri:

#1: When did they show Ben having knowledge of the Desmond/Whitmore connection? I could have missed that but don't recall?

#2: Juliette says: "I'm going to see your wife in 10 minutes" because Harper is her therapist. She has an appointment with Harper. Not Harper has an appointment with Juliette.

#3: That drove me nuts too! How can she know how far ahead someone is by tracking them but not realize that turning your back to Charlotte is a bad idea??

Llama2, I agree with your ben cooking the ham comment... I always feel like whenever the others are doing things like that (normal off the island things) they always come with this creepy tone like it's play acting and pretending everything's fine when, obviously, nothing is fine at all. That definitely adds to the whole feel of the show.

the scene of Ben's mom giving birth to him did anyone notice that when his father runs out to the street to get help the traffic sign on the side of the road reads Oregon (I believe it's Oregon) but it's the same place that when Juliet was getting recruited they told her that's where they were taking her?? Then amazingly enough right after his father just happens to get "work" on this Island...hmmm

For the longest time I thought hmmmm maybe this "island" is not really an island. Maybe it's man made and it's really connected to this Oregon place somehow which is why they have to be so secretive about traveling there and not wanting anyone to know how to get there!

ooops looks like a 3rd Michelle has joined our blog so I'll start referring to myself as MichelleP to avoid confusion :-)

You think possibly Ben is Widmore’s son??

I'm the one that just wrote the idea of the whole man-made island.

I thought Ben's Dad was given the opportunity by the Dharma guy that helped deliver Ben on the side of the road? Then they took him to the island on the submarine.

that's right. But who's to say they were really on a submarine?? maybe they had to put him to sleep like they did to Juliet in order to keep how to get there a secret??

it's out there I know! lol

I mean we found a CAR on this "island" for all we know they just drove them there then carried them inside the submarine and waited for them to wake up!

Hi everyone! Ben has to be in love with Juliet because at the end when she is talking to Jack, she thinks Jack is in danger because Ben knows how Jack feels about her and Jack says something like "He knows where to find me".

I thought the episode was ok. And i still don't trust Juliet!

Michelle - That is a really interesting idea! And, you're right. Lostpedia confirmed he was born just outside of Portland, Oregon, which is where Juliet was told she could be... I think they actually told her just that -- "outside Portland."

It would also make sense, like you said, that they wouldn't want anyone to know how to get there. Yikes. I like it!

In the season finale last year, who was the funeral for then. I think it was one of the survives. Why was Jack so upset????

I don't know, but, Michael being the man on the boat is waaay too obvious. I'm leaning towards Desmond; I know he just now got on the boat, but what are the odds that it's Penny's Pops that owns the boat? Desmond HAS to be the inside man. Buuut, who knows with LOST, huh? I love the Lost Diary btw!

I doesn't have to be right outside Portland - but it also doesn't have to be in the south pacific... they only think that because the pilot said they had been heading toward Fiji - but I don't trust the pilot anyway.

It's not out there by any means. I always thought that they put Juliette to sleep on the sub to keep how to get there a secret too (although how would she know how to get there by traveling on a sub?). Then I though that putting her to sleep had something to do with not wanting her to know it didn't take very long to get there (because they shoot through a Vortex). But, since last weeks episode I've felt like they put her to sleep so that she would get "the sickness."

Debbie: Ben Whidmore's Son? Are you serious? That seems far fetched especilly since they've already established who Ben's father was....

Yes, good point Jaiyne & Larry that the losties weren’t “recruited”. I just don’t understand how Libby is connected to BOTH Desmond and Hurley. It just seems too much to be only coincidence.

WOW! So much has been posted since I have been away! Well, I am pretty sure that Ben has done his thorough research and knows the connection between Desmond and Widmore. So that should be in the file and Locke should find that out soon enough.

Someone posted earlier that Widmore is looking for his daughter's boyfriend. NO, Widmore does not like Desmond, so that is not the reason that Widmore sent the boat searching.

Another thing that I find interesting is the wen Charlotte (who I cannot stand) says that Ben has used the toxic gases before. My question is, was Ben in charge yet when they took out the Dharma people? I thought Richard was still the ring leader at the time.

omg!! and that would ALSO explain why she died!!! b/c women who get pregnant on the Island die during birth!!

MichelleP- that would explain how who died?

I think the person that Ben has on the boat is ....Desmond. In the last episode we see Desmond figure out who he is and coming together with past and present...could he actually come to the realization that he's been on the frieghter the whole time where the future meets the past...crazy I know but why not.

CAM-why Ben's mom died during the flashback of her giving birth to him!

I am amazed that Kate made it off the island, and I say this becuase i can't stand her. I feel like every venture she joins or starts on her own back fires, ugh its frustrating because you just know something is going to go wrong. And last night just proves it when she turned her back and got hit on the back of the head.

I guess... but then there is a problem with that theory. Would all women in Portland die during pregnancy?

OMG!!!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let it be Mr. Echo on the boat. This show, Locke and me need him back..

well no b/c it's "outside Porland" whatever that means...

I cannot get over how everyone hates Kate! I just dont get it! She is so friggin hot I would think that even if you think shes dumb, you would still like her.

Apparently I am the only one who hates Michael, who quite literally had 4 lines on the show that he repeated over and over again: "Walt!!!!!" and "Wheres my son! I want my son!" and who turned on everyone in the end.

How can everyone hate kate who is cool as sh*t and noone hate Michael? Didnt we all just rewatch season 1 and 2 in preparation with Daniel? I cannot tell you how excited I was when Micahel left the island. and walt... dont even get me started on that kid. you think kate cant act? geez....

It is kinda like a Truman Show kinda thing being proposed here... eventually they will find the "wall" like Truman did.

I think last night there was a mention that women die during the second trimester
(soon for sun)

When Richard Alpert tells Juliette that the place he's taking her is "pretty remote" and "not quite in Portland." I thought that was just an attempt at humor. I've always felt like the sub just docks in the Oregon area for some reason, whenever it travels to the US.

On another note, man, the Others sure did have a pretty decent life before the Losties crashed there. Well, except for the childbirth/death part.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I think it is Michael on the boat, but he drove me crazy! I loved it in season 2 when Sawyer told him to shut up when all he was doing was yelling for Walt, when Walt was obviously out of ear shot. AND I like Kate, I do. She may be the damsel in distress sometimes but at least she is proactive and asks questions and doesn't blindly believe everyone... like Jack. Ugh! He is driving me crazy.

CAM-yea sort of like that! that would be crazy! someone is running though the forest and all of a sudden the run out to a road! haha

I wouldn't put it past the show honestly....

I'm not a fan of Michael or Walt either. I don't miss them at all.

I don't mind Kate. There are far worse characters on this show. Walt was one of the worst actors on the show by far. Sun's not that great, and Michael was pretty blah for me too.

I love Sun and Jin.

Thank god! I thought I was the only one that liked kate and hated michael! Yeah! you all have made me feel normal now. thank you. :) and I love Sun and Jin too.

See? This site is all about support and discussion in a calm and mature manner.

Now that posting has settled down, did anyone see my post way above about Harper's certificates in the background of her office? There's one on the right that has her name on it. In the bottom left of that certificate is the HANSO logo with the Yin/Yang symbol. I was wondering two things:
1. Is Harper in fact the real Harper and was she a part of Hanso or Dharma, or
2. Has this person simply assumed the identity of a former Hanso/Dharma doctor named Harper Stanhope? Is she really a Hostile like Richard Alpert?

Okay, maybe one more thing. Does it matter?

i don't think it's that widmore dislikes desmond, i think widmore is using desmond.

"If Kate was Annie, wouldn't she remember being on the island?"

Maybe she does? Is this the reason Kate asked "Do you know who I am?"

Larry- they mentioned that on Lostpedia too. I am not sure, that is a good question. I wonder if there were more Dharma people like Ben who joined the Hostiles before the takeover.

Larry-hmm I didn't notice the certificates. I had a thought that maybe she's not one of the bad guys b/c she seemed more concerned about her husband's safety then about Juliet sleeping with him. I thought she was gonna pop Juliet in the face but instead she got all emotional and as like "i'm afraid of what Ben will do"...

hell maybe SHE'S Annie! lol

DENNIS AT 10:19..I KNOW A THING OR 2 ABOUT COMPUTERS AND CAPS LOCK.. BUT LITERALLY...MY JOB KEEPS THEM ON CAPS..CANT TAKE IT OFF :)

i love sawyer...thats it :)

Water is a conduit for the time travel. Every time an apparition appears its preceded with water. Think about it! Water, just like with Desmond's trips back and forth, a lot happened when water was around. Though, I liked someone's idea that the island is being taken over by its higher intelligence. Like in 2001 space odyssey? And it can transmit images of people, and intereact. Interesting idea! A main computer is the "monster".

Thanks. My first thoughts pointed to her being a former Dharma employee who joined up with the Hostiles like Ben did. I don't think that everyone died in the Purge. But, I'm just not sure, and don't know if I care. I do know that she was very fearful of Benjamin Linus though.

I want to know how Benjamin Linus established his authority. People do seem to be scared of him. How did this happen? There has to be a reason why he is so powerful and so feared.

the last line was hilarious. ben scurrying off "see you at dinner".... priceless. he looks a lot less intimidating when he's scurrying. on the other hand, he obviously lied locke into letting him out of his dungeon. locke! really i had little faith in him before but that was a bad move! And a bit unrealistic too, if you’re afraid your crew will turn against you then letting the enemy out of jail will only aggravate them more!

Mr widmore seems a little too rich and bitchy to only be looking for an island. I predict he’s an enemy of ben’s, the original dharma perhaps, who ben is trying to destroy.

It seems likely that the others could sneak into locke’s house to see ben and speak with him. Ben must also be contacting with the man on the boat through the others, that seems to be the only way for him to know what charlotte and whatshisname were up to at the tempest.

I don’t know what to think of the whole ben telling Juliet to kill the helicopter folks thing. That really makes ben look bad. But then again, why would charlotte and dan be lurking off to the tempest to “save everyone”? why couldn’t they just tell everyone where they were going?

The one thing I do think ben was telling the truth about… he said the man getting roughed up by widmore was one of HIS crew that got caught. So it was a random other, not one of the losties.

Juliet’s past explains why she would become to attached to Goodwin. She’s the typical submissive, strong independent women who thrive on being controlled by men, including ben now.

I have no idea who the man on the boat is so I won’t guess. But we all know the actor who played Charlie is on to better things, as is the actor who played Eko. I also heard, I don’t know where, that the actor who plays Michael will be back on the show, which would explain his man-on-the-boat-ness. It also makes sense that he’s one of the oceanic 6 since writers might not have assumed we know that he’s coming back.

When did Jin get to be such a push over...At first on the island, he distrusted everyone,flashback to his job as enforcer in Korea,then he becomes an ass kicking protector of the camp, and now he just lets Charlotte and Faraday walk off...because Jack said they were "friends".I guess his english is improving!

If you look at the screen shots of the man in the blindfold with Widmore, he looks a lot like Nathan. Nathan's body disappeared after Goodwin supposedly killed him and Goodwin said he "wasn't a good person".

thats my idea- that there is some higher power. and noone ever commented if we have any idea about ben and jacob meeting- cuz i cant figure out if jacob is part of this higher power or what. those numbers are too ironic though- they are everywhere.

i dont think harper was harper- i think she was manifested with the voices etc by the island. i think she may be a hostel though.

when goodwin said he had been sleeping on the couch for a year- did everyone take this to mean that he and Juliet had been sleeping together for that long? or that he and harper were on bad terms when Juliet showed up and thats maybe why they ended up having an affair?

i honestly dont know if that matters except to give us an idea of who harper is. Lostpedia has some creepy references to her name in the trivia section.

I think Ben's spy on the boat is Sayid. Its a little off the charts but it wouldn't be the first time we were blown away by this show. What do you guys think?

and because i think harper was an apparition brought on by the island, i dont think ben sent her and has no idea what is really going on. did everyone see his face when he realized that hurley saw the cabin back a few episodes ago?

the island and/or jacob has a lot going on that ben is no longer privy too. i dont doubt hes "where he wants to be"= he did choose to go with them and jack-the-push-over was like yeah- sure. take him locke...

I think that Charlotte and Daniel didn't tell the losties they were leaving, because I don't think they trust them quite yet. Daniel might have wanted to tell them... but Charlotte seems to control him and she doesn't trust anyone. I don't like her, but at the same time I can understand where she is coming. She lands on the island, and is taken hostage by the losties first thing. I wouldn't trust anyone either. She may think that if they tell where they are going, one of them might try and stop them - which ended up happening. I think that they were telling the truth about what they were doing at the Tempest.

Kitten - yeah.. that was a far fetched idea. I was just thinking ben looks way too young for penny to be his daughter. it is fun to sit here.. read everyones speculations and come up with my own :)

still holding to Charlie being the man on the boat, or at least still being alive though..

Crystal- I said the same thing earlier, well close to that, that how they had Sayid killing for ben etc...

Okay, just have to clarify this. Oceanic 6 is the term used in the flashforwards for the surviving 6 people found from the Oceanic flight. The preview for next week says that the 6th member of the Oceanic 6 will be revealed. That means that they have already revealed to us who the other 5 survivors are. That means that Aaron is considered a survivor of the crash.
Jack
Kate
Sayid
Hurley
Aaron
Desmond has NEVER been shown in a flashforward AND he is not a survivor of the plane crash. Also, it would seem weird if the survivors came back to the real world and said "oh yeah, we also found this guy who was in a boating accident a couple of years ago". That would make no sense. So obviously, Desmond does not make it back to the real world, unless he somehow goes back without anyone other than Penny knowing he was missing for two years.

jaiyne - i agree i do trust charlotte and daniel more than ben... she was put into a bad situation up front and i'd be suspicious too....

more random thoughts...

If there’s anything I believe about kate is that she thinks she’s slicker than she is. She probably thought she had complete control of that charlotte situation – callin them out and what not until charlotte bonked her on the noggin. the story lined seemed believable to me considering her past cockiness. she seems to be cocky but harmless though so i'm still a fan

the juliet flashback, she said something "happens" in the woman's 2nd trimester, where the immune system turns against the fetus. but wouldn't just the fetus die? scientific much i know but that wouldn't explain why pregnant women would die

girl239- the previews for next week don't specify that the "6th member will be revealed." It just says that we will know who all of them are... so it could be 1 or 2 revealed next week. We don't know for sure if Aaron is included.

i'm a new poster but i read .. like most blog stalkers .. the problem i have is these "bad episodes' arent really as bad as people make them out to be .. they're bad becaues they're not as good as the great ones .. they're "set-up" episodes for the really good ones .. you cant pack all that information on a great episode into one hour so they foreshadow things and get people asking so they can be blown away by the great episodes .. i thought it was pretty good .. i guessed a few things correctly but i'm still watching it over to try and see what i missed

I agree with another poster who said that, although it will come as no surprise, Michael is the man on the boat. I don't know how else they will bring him back into the storyline, unless he is still wandering around in his little boat he left in. (Which isn't possible since he would have run out of gas and food)

I thought last nights show was okay - maybe a B-. But I have to say that I have a love/ hate thing with Ben. He just makes my stomach crunch up when I think of people actually trusting him. I don't see him as being anything but evil even if he has the Island at heart, it's for self serving reasons. BUT, he makes the show.

Another thing that has bothered me is that why would everyone think that Sayid is the man on the boat? Is it just because the time travel ting came up last week? I still don't see him jumping back whenever it's convenient after assasinating key "Economist" people. I think Sayid is what he is and the working with Ben comes after getting off the island. He HATES Ben in the time frame he's in now.

LIT - personally, I would miss your posts if you left. Coolio needs to get over it.

i haven't read all the comments, so i don't know if someone already said this, but to re-emphasize the many posts that michael isn't his man on the boat...it's way too obvious, and in the episode when ben was about to reveal it to locke, he told him to sit down or something...like it was something that was going to blow him away...my theory is it's sayid with the whole time travel thing...

New poster, original LOST watcher. I have been reading today for a while and will probably be fired but I just don't love my job enough to stop! I just wanted to address a few things:

1-The whole Annie/Penelope/Kate thing is interesting but if Kate were in any way related to Annie, I don't think Ben would have treated her so poorly (chained up, pounding rocks and living in a cage). Also, I think that Annie must have left the island long before Ben released the gas & exterminated all the Dharma people so that would preclude him from knowing what the adult Annie looks like. I think Juliette reminds him of his mother.

2-I think the idea that Ben's release of the gas the first time may have lead to the infertility would explain his obsession w/ "curing" the problem..he is feeling guilty about it.

3-I think Harper is alive. If she were dead, Juliette would have been more surprised to her. She was fine w/ talking to her and was only freaked out by her disappearance.

4- (Warning: This may be a little far out)I think the whispers, Harper's vanishing act and the way Ben can know what is happening outside of his cell are all related. Maybe the whispers are just the manifestation of someone moving through space & time on the island. The island obviously has "special" qualities and if time moves differently here, then why not? I guess I am talking about a form of teleportation but only for those who know how to use it and only on the island itself.

5-I agree w/ whoever posted that the funeral at the end of last season was for someone from the island but NOT one of the "official" oceanic 6. They were all famous and no one showed (except for strung-out Jack). Jack & Kate obviously knew whoever died so this leads me to believe that some add'l "islanders" may have gotten off but not publicly. And, whoever it was, Jack & Kate did not like them very much.

Sorry for spelling errors...gotta catch my train home.

Aaron can't be one of the Oceanic 6. Yes he was technically on the flight but it doesn't matter. Everyone's assuming that the 'outside world' knows that Aaron was Claire's baby, but if the survivors lied about the rescue, they're probably lying about Aaron. There's no way Kate would be able to keep Aaron just because she knew Claire. I'm guessing (depending on how the time difference works and when they get rescued) that Jack and Kate are passing Aaron off as their own child, conceived and born on the island. That's probably why the DA knew to ask Jack if he still loved Kate.

By the way, I hate Michael too.

Guy on the boat? has to Syaid..or Desmond,,or the helicopter guy

I don't think the man on the boat can be anyone that the freighties saw on the island... then they would have said something, like, "hey, how did you get here?'

I have really enjoyed the posts this season. They have given me more insight into the show, forced me to watch it in detail. I appreciate everyone's research and theories about the storyline. I don't think I can add anything really new to the comments, but would like to add two things I noticed in this episode. Not sure that they add anything to the discussion but are interesting.
#1. If you notice there is a large portrait hanging in Ben's house as you enter. It looks like Juliet, and must be his mother. You can see it when Juliet comes for dinner. Her hair was curly like Juliet's when she first came to the island. I then noticed that Juliet starts to straighten her hair after she hears that she "looks like her." She really wants to distance herself from Ben's desire.

#2. I think that it is interesting that Ben mentions that the video of Widmore was taped over the Red Sox video. I think that it gives a bit of the timeline for when it was taken. The Red Sox game keeps coming up in various episodes and I think it acts as a reference for timing of various events. I can't remember..but was there ever an episode where they were watching the Red Sox game on the island. Maybe when they had Jack last season??

I too have believed that the ship was Widmore's ever since the communications guy was told that they were to keep ignoring Penelope's phone calls. I think that Widmore orchestrated the boat race to get Desmond to somehow "find" this island. I believe that Widmore's desire for the island most strongly lies with it's ability to "cure" people (i.e., Locke and Rose).

Dan, we didn't bail on you!! Ari had to go for work. i would much rather have watched with you then alone in my hotel room last night :( At least we missed a crappy episode. i promise we're there for the rest of the season!

first of all, SO don't care about Juliet's story. past, present, or future. and yes, she IS a slut and a homewrecker! we didn't need that episode dedicated to her and her past love story. we already knew Ben was obsessed with her. although it was really creepy when Ben said "you're mine". we smelled a filler Blue Van episode a mile away. we did get some good info, sure. couple cool moments.....but overall not satisfied with that episode. it sucked.

am i wrong or was i mistakenly under the impression that Ben and Juliet were actually TOGETHER in the past? i could have sworn in that one book club episode, that they were a couple.

the kiss between Jack and Juliet totally pissed me off. SLUT!! oh you know you me so well :)

To me, the pictures in Ben's house by the front door look like Alex at different ages in her life.

We can probably assume that Widmore has been looking for the island for a long time, since even in 1996 he was purchasing the log of the Black Rock, most likely hoping that it would give him some sort of clue about the islands whereabouts. He and Suns father are probably looking for it together. Lets not forget that Suns dad is a very rich a powerful dude too.

I liked last night's episode, it wasn't a mind bender like last week, but it served its purpose and gave some new information.

I think it is probably Michael on the boat, but I am not completely convinced because they are billing it as a shocker and it is public knowledge that Michael is going to show up sometime in the show, so him being on the boat wouldn't be a shocker. Sooooo, I think it would be cool if it were Boone, that would really cook Locke's noodle.

I haven't read all the posts, but did breeze through them and saw someone mention that they didn't think some people really died on the island, which go me thinking. If the island is indeed a "state of mind" or some place in the future, what if when you "die" on the island, you are merely leaving it and returning to where ever you came from, unable to return. In the "enhanced" episode of "The Constant" it said that there was no "whoosh" between Desmond's jumps in time last week because it wasn't a flashback or forward, it was all happening at the same time. He was in both places at the same time. Therefore, if you die on the island, may be you just go back to another time and just stay there. Just a thought.

i'm gonna say, that the others are creating the whispers, like they created the illusion that they were ship-wrecked when they were really well off…. That’s how they got harper to appear and disappear.

it all goes back to my original theory that ben is still controlling the others, they're sneaking in to locke's house to communicate with him.

So many comments already!

I agree with LIT, Michael is on the boat. It has to be, I know it seems so easy, but Ben would not have let him go that easy.

This episode was kinda boring, except for Ben and Locke. I can't tear my eyes away when they are on the screen.

WTF? A HAM?? Cooking Juliet a big fatty HAM? Why not a nice piece of chicken?

The ending was the best. Ben walking into the house with bed sheets. God Sawyer is sooooo hot, sorry distracted.

I still think Jack is a big baby.

As far as I can tell no one has brought this up yet. This is an exerpt of a convo between Juliette and Ben from last night's episode:

BEN:I do indeed. I wanna thank you for how wonderful you've been with Zack and Emma.

JULIET: They're really sweet kids.(Chuckles) Ben, they've been asking me about their mother in Los Angeles. I'm not really sure what to say.

BEN: They'll stop asking in time.

JULIET: They're children. Do they really belong here?

BEN: They're on the list, Juliet. Who are we to question who's on the list and who's not?

JULIET: Now that we have everyone on the list from the tail section, what about Goodwin?

What do you think this means?

The 2 that got bitten by the spider and buried didnt there eyes open after being buried,then the show ended???

i think it's just making conversation so juliet can eventually ask about goodwin. we can all squirm as ben worked to come up with a response.

the others in the beginning seemed to take anyone who was easily influenced, kids would be a must.

Brian, you are not alone. After watching it again, The Constant wasn't all that great to me either. Exciting yes, but I really like the episodes like this one. Ben was FANTASTIC as usual. And who knew Juliette was a homewrecker? My favorite line of the night was when Ben said to Locke, "I always have a plan". CLASSIC, CLASSIC, CLASSIC.
Lately, I have decided to speculate less, and just enjoy the ride. Although, I thought it was significant when Tom told Juliette that after a while Harper would have you crying about your daddy. We all know that most characters on the show have daddy issues, so I am wondering where the daddy issue thing is gonna go and when it's true relevance will be revealed.

I love the fact that they brought up the RED SOX 4 times.GOOO SOXXX

OOOOH, @ MICHAEL--Eko on the boat. Intriguing...I love it! Original, no one has thought of that before.
And another thing, What's up with the chickens? Can they not reproduce as well? And there's a cow there..how come they haven't had a big steak bar-b-que yet? Is there only one cow?

about the Henry Gale thing..I think I read somewhere (maybe Lostpedia) that Henry Gale had won the hot air balloon ride in a contest sponsored by Widmore Industries.

Everyone seems to think the man on the boat is Michael, Sayid, or Walt. I just think alot of people aren't thinking out of the box. Ben is always two steps ahead of everyone so it's got to be Ben himself. Given the mind travel thing, it would be so easy for him to "travel" back and forth, especailly if he learned how to control it at will. Also, remember that he told Locke that he might want to sit down for the answer? Even though I think Michael is on the boat and will reveal himself, him being the man on the boat would be such an anticlimax to the show. Having it be Ben, and the explanation behind how he makes it happen, is the only answer that would be shocking enough to sit down for !

Just wanted to say, Daniel u rock.... i love this blog.and i agree with most of you, there is no bad episode of lost.

Hello everyone! Daniel, I've been a long time reader (first time poster!) and I just want to say that I always look forward to Fridays just so that I can read about what you have to say.

Anyway, did anyone else notice the painting of the blond woman hanging on the wall of Ben's house? I noticed it in the scene where Juliet walks in with her dinner rolls, and the painting is hanging right in front of the door. I couldn't get a good look at it, but the woman looked VERY SIMILAR to Juliet!

I just wanted to point that out and find out if anyone else saw it. I'll look around to see if I can find a screen shot so we can get a better look! :)

First time poster only because I couldnt think of a cool name but long time reader, here it goes...... so now that Henry is free again he has to come up with the 3.2 million dollars or whatever the amount was. How do you think he will do that??

I hope that I am not repeat anyone's thoughts (my computer is about to die, and I haven't has a chance to read everything yet).

Does anyone think that it is significant that Juliet looks like someone important to Ben and to Jack? Remember, when we first met her the others wanted her to talk to Jack because she resembled his ex-wife!

Sorry, but if Ben is the "man on the boat", Miles wouldn't have offered to tell them he was dead for 3.2 mil.

what are we all going to do when lost goes of the air for good?

Ok let me try again. I'm the one with the comment about Ben getting the 3.2 million I'm not sure if my post earlier went thru right.

az, that is an excellent observation! I never thought of that! I wonder if the "other man" in Jack's exes life was Ben!?!?

Hey, y'all! Well, Daniel, I certainly liked this episode more than you did...not as good as last week's, but I really think that did 'spoil' us! I would give this a B or B+. Then again, the only episode I really didn't like (with a vengeance) was ... Paolo and Nikki...so maybe I'm not a very good judge! I'm just obsessed with LOST! But, I liked this episode because it had a lot of different elements which all added together. It seemed like the flashbacks pairing Ben and Juliet made sense because the episode also mostly alternated between the two.

I think Harper was referring to Emily (Ben's mother) when she told Juliet, "you look just like her...". Of course, after seeing the pictures of both, it appears Annie looked like both of them as well! Maybe that's why Ben had the school-boy crush on Annie in the first place. They all look alike! (And also, maybe as 'az' said, like Sarah Shepherd!)

I'm not sure who the 'man on the boat' is. It would just be anticlimactic if it were Michael, but Walt could be along the same vein and altogether more surprising. I wish it would be Eko, Charlie, or Mikhail.

I think Charlotte, Faraday etc. have a completely different agenda than anyone else. They're not 'good' or 'evil,' but they're not exactly on the LOSTies' side. Some of them may have a different plan than the captain on the ship/Minkowski, etc...just a thought.

Interesting theories all! But just a plea to all of you: learn the characters' names!! Please!! It isn't 'Patchy,' it's Mikhail! (I understand if you're just using 'Patchy' as an amusing nickname...) Widmore (Penelope's father) is spelled like

And...sorry for all the exclamation points.

Sorry for that confusing last post. The last few lines were supposed to say:

Widmore (Penelope's father) is spelled like that... Rousseau ('the French chick') has a first name, it is Danielle. I just feel like the show has been on too long for people not to know these things. Thanks!

Dunno why it messed up! Sorry.

There is no way in hell that Charlie is Ben's man on the boat. Stop suggesting it. It is totally impossible.

You guys, well a few of you, have completely ruined my enjoyment of this site. Should you see any future incarnations of LIT, in any form, know it is not me. I am quitting this site. For those of you I like, I have already sent you my information to kepp in contact.

Daniel, you may be feeling slightly jaded because last weeks episode was so over the top awesome. It's ok, it happenes. I though it was a pretty good one myself, because it really did hint to ties in all directions.
And as for Ben, He really has to be the creepiest guy ever (I was crying when he was cooking that ham, come on... that was hilarious!!). His intentions are ALWAYS about himself. He lies to EVERYONE. He lies to his own people constantly. He's a complete sociopath. It would totally fit his personality the way he was so greedy and possessive of Juliet. And the way he shrugged off her grief by saying "I'll give you a few minutes"... Classic!!

Is anyone else worried about Vincent? I mean the poor dog was last seen? There apparently are no more chickens, rabbits-he certainly could not catch a boar! I hope someone is watching out for him! Maybe he found his way to Texas!

"Lost In Texas" grow up please.why do you feel the need to let us know that u are quitting the site?do you think anyone cares?all we care about is LOST.so farewell, adios, au revoir, asta la vista baby........

Wow 'Lost in Texas.' I have only been reading this blog for a few weeks and you have "quit the site" at least three times now. Either you do this to garner sympathy and pleas for you to stay, or you let stupid people bother you WAY too much. I guarantee if you had just ignored what those people were saying they most certainly would have gone away by now and you would be free to write without harassment. You run into garbage like that on every blog.

My favorite part was when Ben takes Juliet to see the body and tells her that she is "his" and belongs to him, and then says "Take all the time you need." LOL awesome!
p.s.: Juliet, for sleeping with 2 hot men, does not make her slutty. It just makes her LUCKY :-)

First off, calling Juliette a slut is a bit harsh. I think Goodwin and his wife had as close to a divorce as they could possibly have on the island. And it seemed as if the only reason his wife told Juliette to stop seeing Goodwin was to protect him from Ben. I'm sure Juliette at that stage of the game would never have believed Ben capable of killing someone. Overall, I'm glad they got to the "they have history" comment Tom made to Jack after Ben's surgery last season because I had been wondering about that. It makes me believe the Lost writers don't leave anything open-ended so can we please get some kind of explanation/resolution to the whole Niki/Paolo debacle? I am convinced that they're going to be tied back in at some point, but I do not have a clue as to how!

Also, I think some of you might have touched on this a bit already (probably after the Eggtown episode), but I think that Claire dies, and Jack is tormented that he could not save her or perhaps caused her death inadvertently. Kate must tell the world when she returns that Aaron is her son because I assume that Claire's aunt would not let some random stranger that her niece was once on a plane with take custody of Aaron. I also do not think that Jack (even flash-forward Jack) knows that Claire is his half-sister. If that were the case, wouldn't Jack, being all Jack-ish, feel obligated to take care of Aaron? I don't think that he would avoid seeing Aaron completely. And though Kate's trial could have taken a long time, I agree that everyone probably ages a few years back to "regular" time when they leave the island (hence, Aaron being a toddler and not an infant).

I totally agree with those of you who think the final two members of the Oceanic 6 are Sun and Jin. But as far as Juliette looking like Ben's mom? I just don't see it, other than the fact that they're both blondes. And the way Harper said that to Juliette, it sounded like she knew the woman Juliette resembled. Not that she had once seen a picture of Ben's mom. I'm going to assume she meant Annie.

so....first time, long time...love the blog and all the positive comments and theories that come out of it. unfortunately i was not able to read all the comments before posting, so forgive me if i say anything redundant, but here are my thoughts on this episode.
(a) i think walt is ben's man on the boat
(b) this was a decent episode. love that it was a flashback, because i have been having a hard time connecting with the charaters in the flash forwards. trying to figure out why the heck they have gone from thinking one thing ON the island, to the complete oppisite OFF the island, is exhausting
(c) we dont know enough about Juliet yet (that slizzzut..says the Jack/Kate fan)
(d) the IDEAL Lost scenario for me would to have 16 episodes that are 75-90 minutes each, because
(e) the reason these episodes seem less than fulfilling is because when they finally start to get going, they are over.
(f) and finally (and i may lose my right to ever post again) but Locke is pissing me off. He is being SO unreasonable and hard headed (not unlike Jack can be sometimes). He's clearly not getting what he wants from Miles, so why not try other tactics? ...at least he is starting to realize that He and Ben have common goals which are (hopefully) to protect the island.

PETA...I just thought that today actually! I didn't want to say anything because I figured someone would yell at me about it...

PS stop all the drama on here, just post about LOST and if its not about LOST...dont post it

Why does everyone hate Juliet so much? She may be boring sometimes, but seriously...like I said first thing this morning, it takes two to tango. Harper came off as a real biatch and I kinda got the impression Goodwin worked his "magic" on other women too...remember how he was all sweet on Ana Lucia too?

I know the idea of Michael seems to easy, but I really don't know how else they would bring him back. Someone said Charlie...and then when he saw Hurley he was "supposed" to be dead. I really like that idea. And i thought they buried Mr Eko and Paulo and Nikki sooo...unless they can live under pounds of sand with no air for a few hours I doubt its one of them. Someone else said the "weaker" episodes like this only set up better ones and I totally agree.

One more thing...can we try to piece together the rich/successful daddies?

Christian - Jack and Claire's Dad/successful surgeon

Mr. Whidmore - Penny's Dad - who seemed all too eager to help Desmond in The Constant - ps do we know his job? economist mayhaps?

Sun's dad the Korean mafioso

any other rich parents?

Lost in Texas: My attempt @ a joke this afternoon about everyone time traveling and posting under other's names..was just that a joke! I was attempting to get everyone to see just how silly they are being! As for the "drama", if you were indeed referring to me, I defended you two blogs back and said to not let it get to you! Did anyone read my last sentence, to forget the stupid stuff and just have fun?
I stand my saying this site has more drama..the writers could create a new show! Sara Badara: the college student hooked on " Lost" failed her finals! Lost in Texas: the mis-understood intellectual, loved one week-hated the next! Coolio: the "Sawyer" of the group-likes to be mean w/nicknames..maybe misunderstood! Larry: the "Constant" usually the cool head! Cam: usually has a good girl comment and just wants to connect to Sara Badara. Larry: always good info-the Sayid of the bunch. Anna (the original)..I could go on and on(sorry if I left some of the originals out)and all the newbies {no pun intended to the one who posts under that name}
What I'm getting @ is, this is all suppose to be fun, if you can't laugh @ UR-self and the "other" posters then, I guess forget this site! I know I'm going to "get it" for this post not being about "Lost", but come on people!!! Can't we all get along!!!! (disclaimer" I started posting this an hour ago, so I have no idea what is above me! time: 9:22 pm)

BeeJ: I referred to her as "french chick" b/c I couldn't figure out how to spell her last name and I didn't want to butcher it. Secondly, for the life of me I could not remember her first name. I just caught up with the show a few months ago after watching all the seasons on dvd back to back so it's a lot of information and names to remember.

I think that however people want to refer to the characters is fine b/c we all know what they mean and who they are trying to refer to. I'm not trying to be rude just stating my opinion b/c I know personally it's not going to stop me from posting if I can't remember the name of a character (esp. those who are not shown all the time) and instead refer to them by my own name, for ex: the french chick. :) It's just easier that way.

I'm sorry if it bothers you :( and again I'm really not trying to be rude.

Sarah Badara: what about Boone and his stepsister...wasn't their mother or father rich too? Also, wasn't Locke's father really rich too?

LOVED this episode...way better than the constant. just had to say that.

Tootsie1 - Now that was funny!!

tootsie...i have to correct you...haha it was midterms this week! and i passed them all with flying colors wahoo!! when we get to midterms ill letcha know how those went. and i do agree with you, we should be able to laugh at ourselves. i just dont like seeing anyone with hurt feelings...also its sara(with an H) = sarah not sara. hahah.

so ya moving on. lol. im tired so it might be the crazy tired me talking. thanks michellep...i forgot to mention boone's mom and shannon's dad and of course lockes dad! the con man!

now how can we put all these powerful parents together? or at least three out of the six or so...

when we get to finals i meant...ugh...

right now i am watching the episode where mr eko sees the smoke and does he see his life in it OR is the smoke reading his memories and using them for later?

boy i really hope they answer wtf the smoke is!

I think Michael is the man on the boat and Walt is with him. I also think Walt suffered the "side effects". Maybe each time we've scene Walt on the island he was traveling in time like Desmond.

Sara Badara! Thank you for your concern of our fellow animals! Personally, I think Vincent is one of the Oceanic 6!!! I know-I know-I know! but think of the commercial rights??!!! Oceanic Dog Food!!BTW/who does/or will own the dog anyway?

ood!-BTE/who ownes him now?

I also was thinking that Ben was his own "man on the boat", but you are right,'Hey You', Miles would have noticed. I like the idea of Charlie or Eko, just because I miss them both.
*This is something I haven't seen mentioned: when dead Charlie came to the nut ward to see Hurley in a FF, Charlie kept saying something about "they need you", or "they need your help" but Hurley didn't want to hear about it. I think Charlie was telling Hurley to go back. I kind of assumed Charlie was talking about Claire and her baby. Anyone else remember this?

"can we please get some kind of explanation/resolution to the whole Niki/Paolo debacle? I am convinced that they're going to be tied back in at some point, but I do not have a clue as to how!"

Nikki & Paolo coming back would be highly unlikely. The producers have said many times that the characters were a huge mistake, that's why they were killed off.

As to how they died: they were bitten by a spider that paralyzed them, everyone thought they were dead, they weren't. They were then buried alive as a result.

I think Nikki & Paolo just remain dead or should remain dead. I agree they were a huge mistake. I assume they suffocated to death under all the sand and maybe the last we see of them is their uncovered rotten corpses trying to claw their way out. Graphic and a little harsh I know but I can't even begin to think as to how they would get tied back in...

As is the case every week, you all BLOW MY MIND w/ excellent theoretical posts. I've watched every episode at least twice & still miss a lot of stuff you guys pick up on in an instant. Thanks for the keen insight.

Namaste!

"Sara"h" Badara": sorry I mis-spelled! I also mentioned Larry's name twice, I meant to put HH in there too for "Sayid" and Larry as the "constant". Anyone who wants to contact me on the rights to this new show? we can work it out!!LOL!

Tootsie...I just want any profits from the shows I'm in! haha...

PS since we, well most of you, are on the homewrecker juliet bandwagon lets not forget jack and the dauther of his patient from italy that he kisses!! hahahaha jack is not so perfect! but i still love him! and i got to see christian in an episode...CAM i think youre right, i might have an old guy crush on him hahaha....

When John asked Ben who the person was on the boat, I actually paused my DVR to see the time left and I was estastic thinking we were going to get the answer...of course, that didn't happen, that would be too easy! lol BUT, apparently, John liked Ben's answer, whatever that was, since we next see Ben walking around camp freely with some nice, clean linens going to a house. Hmmm. I wonder if Ben's answer was, "Why, John, my man on the boat is YOU." Anything is possible at this point!

Damn, I thought it was cool to be referred to as Sayid. Turns out that was a mistake and I'm just "the constant." What does that mean, I post too much??? Gotta cut back I guess!!!

Regarding Ben being his own man on the boat...uhh, sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree on that one. Not only would the whole Miles confrontation thing not make any sense, but neither would Daniel and Charlotte's excursion to try and stop Ben from killing anyone else, which means they know about the first time he gassed people(Dharma), which means everyone on the freighter knows who he is and what he can do, which means Charles Widmore knows all about Ben (or something about Ben) and is trying to overtake him to win the battle of the island! (Breath)

Long story short, I don't get that at all. It's got to be someone else. It's got to be someone that the Lostie's know, and I would be more than willing to bet that it's in fact, a former "Lostie." Why would Ben think that Locke would care if it wasn't someone we already know about? Someone who is supposed to either be dead or off the island?

My question to anyone who feels strongly about Ben "time traveling" hither and dither is, why do you feel that he can do that? All of his supplies, i.e. money, passports, do not support this. I see no evidence to support this theory either. Additionally, if Ben is so all knowing, then why did he not realize the power of the electromagnetism of the Swan Station. Surely he would have know how important a job entering the numbers into the computer would be, so why not put responsible people (his own people) in charge of that. If Ben knows everything, see's everything, mind jumps everywhere, etc., etc., like everyone says, then why did he allow Desmond to be alone in the hatch? Why did he allow Desmond to not enter the numbers in time, causing the plane to crash? Why did he allow the Losties the opportunity to destroy the hatch? Why let the Losties control the station, ultimately resulting in the numbers not being entered again, allowing the island to be seen by outsiders?

All I am saying is. It doesn't make sense to me that Ben is such a time warping, all knowing, all wround God-like S.O.B. That is all. If he knew about any of this in advance, he would have done everything he could to stop it.

wow - so i posted earlier today to say i was going back to read all the comments before i posted. i guess i didn't quite realize that every time i refreshed there would be another 50 comments to read! i got really behind really fast. and what's with all the animosity today? tsk, tsk. aren't we all adults here? adults who love lost? no need to get nasty with each other just because we disagree.
larry - i couldn't agree more with your last post (and with most everything you've posted today).
also, someone mentioned or asked earlier about ben and juliette being a couple in the episode/flashback to the book club. if i remember correctly, juliette had just discovered ben's tumor, and that's why she was mad at him. because he told her that people on the island don't get cancer, so he knew how to cure her sister. also, in that same episode (well, maybe not that exact one, we see that scene in a few different episodes), but that same day, we see juliette in ben with goodwin and she says that it was the anniversary of her coming to the island. wasn't it her three year anniversary?
when harper snidely tells juliette "of course, you look just like her" - it seemed like she was talking about someone she had personally known, which would rule out ben's mom. it has to be annie, in my opinion. she's the only one that showed any kind of affection toward ben, and he never knew his mom. that doesn't mean that annie didn't grow up to look very much like ben's mom.
oh, and when claire was talking to john i told me husband, "claire as the voice of reason? shocking! she's come a long way since charlie died."
ok, that's all for now. i had a lot of thoughts while reading through, but most of them have faded right now. there's just so much to process. and i'm sorry to anyone who thought this episode sucked, but i said it earlier today, and i'll say it again, these episodes are stepping stones that offer valuable tidbits. the only wasted episode in my opinion was the nikki/paolo fiasco. they're staying dead. just like charlie.

Thanks hh, I appreciate that.

I would also like to add that Juliet (I've been misspelling her name all day!) feels a ton of resentment towards Ben because she was only supposed to work there for six months. It's now been three years when the plane crashes, and she's still there. Only when Ben shows Juliet video of her sister alive and well with her child, does Juliet begin liking Ben again. Of course, she doesn't love him at that point, and down right hates him after Goodwin dies.

know what - i misspelled it! it is juliet! oops...

ok, so i'm watching the episode again, and i disagree with people who think that harper is a "ghost" when she appears to juliet. juliet might have been a bit more freaked out if harper was a "ghost". plus, jack sees her and speaks to her as well. i don't know what to make of the whispers yet. i'm also not sure i believe that they're getting the orders from ben; but i also don't think i entirely believe ben when he says that his people don't care about finding him. so, i don't know who exactly is lying. but i do believe that ben is exactly where he wants to be.
as for harper, i don't know why, out of all the others, she was the one to go see juliet. she hated juliet before her affair with goodwin (or so juliet says in the episode), so it seems odd to me that she's the one to go tell juliet where farraday and charlotte are.
also, some people have asked why would ben set off the gas and kill himself, or alex; or how could farraday and charlotte arrive just in time to stop the gas from being released. well, ben used gas to kill the dharma folks and he just used a gas mask. simple enough. and farraday set off the gas so he could neutralize it, and they also brought gas masks, just in case. also simple.
the black smoke monster - hmmm...i don't believe that a dharma station controls that or it's any form of AI. first, dharma set up that huge protective fence to keep out "wildlife" - which juliet later suggested was the smoke monster. when she and kate were handcuffed and running together, kate asked what "it" was, and juliet said, "we don't know, we just know it doesn't like our fences." and when locke asks ben what it is (just a few episodes ago), he also says, very convincingly, that he doesn't know either. this all leads me to believe that the smoke is exactly what danielle describes it as - an alarm system for the island. beyond human control (except jacob, maybe, who is arguably NOT human).
also, on a lighter (perhaps) note, i don't like juliet. i never have. and the gut feeling i first got about juliet, i also get when i see charlotte. very creepy, very evil, very cunning.
as i'm watching now, i've already noticed two instances where the word "hostile" was used. jack says harper seems "hostile, even for a therapist", and then claire tells john, "you killed one, ben shot one, and we're holding one prisoner. it's not hard to understand why they might think we're hostile." very interesting word choice.

oh, and is it just me or is it kinda weird/creepy that john took over ben's house?

ok, so i realize that i'm posting semi-obsessively now, but i've held it in all day. anyway, someone on here asked much earlier why ben wasn't more excited when juliet told him jack was a spinal surgeon. i think there are two reasons - one, he wasn't supposed to get cancer in the first place; and two, he was about to tell juliet about goodwin.

DANIEL!!!!

Please get off your Ben/Locke man crush!!! Just because they appear in a scene together doesn't make it an incredible scene. In fact, I beg you to look a little deeper. Ben makes Locke look incompetent and naive during every conversation.

The funny thing that I think you overlook everytime is this: Locke CONSTANTLY asks questions that Ben doesn't answer and Locke lets him get away with it, JUST LIKE JACK.

Here's a good test for ya to take. Imagine Jack asking the questions that Locke is asking Ben and how frustrated you would be with Jack if he handled things just like Ben has.

You are ruining this show for yourself by automatically ridiculing some characters while instantly placing those characters you like on pedestals for minimal (at best) contributions to the story line.

"Sorry, but if Ben is the "man on the boat", Miles wouldn't have offered to tell them he was dead for 3.2 mil."

so, we're sure 3.2 million wasn't code for something? as ben pointed out, it's kind of an odd number to request. i'm not saying i think ben's the man on the boat, i'm just saying i'm not sure miles and ben don't know each other, or that miles wasn't trying to convey something specific to ben in code.

Kristy: good point. I agree thsat the 3.2 means something. My guess is that its money that Ben stole from someone and that's part of the reason that someone is after him.

As for my theory of Kate being Annie, I don't know that they ever SAID that Annie died in the purge. In fact Lostpedia says we don't know what happened to her. With all the crazy stuff that goes on its not too far fetched that someone got her off the island and somehow she doesn't remember it.

Who the heck knows? I need to re-watch the episode for sure....I know that Orchid has clues but I am not sure what. Did anyone watch the ORchid video recently on Lostpedia?

Way too many posts to read them all, so sorry if I am repeating. I know it seems impossible, and we have said that the plane crashed b'c the losties didnt hit the button, but it seemed like Ben caused the plane to crash so he could get rid of Goodwin. It just came at a peculiar time. Harper said that Ben was capable of anything. When Ben saw the plane he looked a little like he was expecting it. Prolly just way overanalyzing...

Hi Daniel! Sorry you had to watch LOST alone...but you weren't really alone considering WE were all watching with you & waiting for your post the next day! :)
A so so episode, but still good. It's LOST. It's always good!
just a couple of things:
Aaron was NOT on the plane. They do not count babies in bellies as a passenger on planes (not even on LOST) Just like Ben wasn't on the plane & as for Desmond he hasn't flashed forward yet. Besides even if he does ff, HE also wasn't on the plane.
ON the manifest & OFF the island are:
Jack
Kate
Sayid
Hurley

Can't wait till the next episode. Should be the last of the season correct?

love reading the posts...!

Henry Gale Balloon? Henry Gale is the name of Dorothy's uncle in the Wizard of Oz...

Jen: Sorry, the losties did not make their plane go down, Desmond did by not pushing the button. I don't think Ben would intentionally make the plane go down since he has been fighting against the losties all along. I think he just found it as a convenient excuse to get rid of Goodwin.

Wow guys. I am so glad that those of us who have stayed in the forum can laugh at all the drama.... yikes.

As for the whole 3.2 million thing, I still think it was sort of a code, what kind of a code I am still not sure. BUT I am 100% sure that Ben is not "Ben's man on the boat"... no way. The man on the boat can't be anyone the freighties have seen on the island, they would have recognized them right away. So, it is not Ben, Sayid or Locke. Still convinced that it is Michael, obvious or not.

As for Ben not being the man on the boat has anyone thought that possibly Ben can control when he appears and to whom he appears to?

As for the 3.2 million, I also think this is a code of some sort. After all, the show set up using codes as a method of communication when Miles revealed that Naomi used it. Why would they interject something like that unless codes were going to be used again later in the show. Also, didn't Ben tell Michael to follow a bearing of 325 degrees if he wanted to be rescued? Mile asks Ben "Do you know who I work for" and is telling Ben in code that his people know the bearing of the island (3.2 plus 5 zeros). Ben says something like why 3.2 mil why not 3.3 or 3.4 and Miles emphasizes No, it's 3.2 million and he has a week to do something about it...to escape maybe?

Hey wait, I just came up with a new theory based on the above...MILES is Ben's man on the boat (Ben just didn't know who it was until he revealed himself at that moment)!

WOW!

hmmm. 3.2 + five zeros. that's interesting. as is miles being the man on the boat. i guess that would definitely surprise locke, since he just put a grenade in his mouth! while i'm still leaning toward michael, i guess i could see how miles could be the man on the boat. i said before that i thought it should be someone who had been involved with the mission from the very beginning, which for me ruled out michael. since i said that, almost all the signs have pointed to michael. but i still don't know if i believe michael is smart or cunning enough to infiltrate the freighter, gather information, then somehow get that information to ben. miles might have an easier time doing that - perhaps even telepathically (i know - that's a bit of a stretch, but he talks to ghosts!).
to an above comment, i don't think that ben crashed the plane on purpose. first, none of his people had anything to do with the swan, where desmond pushed the button, and we know that's what caused the plane to crash. plus, larry or someone else mentioned earlier how ben had mikhail gather information on all the passengers post-crash. if he had known about flight 815 before, he would have those files already. mikhail would have done anything for him, no questions asked.
the orchid video had the doctor-guy from the hanso foundation (sorry, his name escapes me) doing another video while holding a rabbit with the number 15 on it. then another rabbit hops in the shot and it has the number 16 on it. then the doctor freaks out and says that can't be in the same room together (or something to that effect) and he yells at the camera man to stop rolling. now, it seems pretty clear that they couldn't be in the same room because one was a "future" and one was a "past". at least, that's what it seems like to me.
ok, so locke. oh boy. he's been on some kind of crazy journey this entire time on the island, and frankly i don't see the in-control locke of season 1. we haven't seen him in a while. since the end of season 2, when he loses faith in everything and demands that ecko (who, by the way, i couldn't stand and am glad is dead) stop pushing the button. i have a feeling we'll see him restored to his season 1 glory, but it's not gonna be any time soon. ben is playing him hard core, and locke is pathetically looking for some sort of guidance. he's lost again, and now he has people following him.

Tootsie1: that was funny!...I'd like a part in that show as well. I read all the time, but don't always post... I'd like to be the one who appears in flashbacks only! LOL!!
Someone (above) asked what we'd do when LOST goes off the air...now that's a good question. Some of us might have serious & inevitable withdrawls!!!!!!!!!! ! :)

"Michelle-if I remember correctly, Annie introduced young Ben to Appolo candy bars when he first arrived on the island. Then, when Kate found them in the hatch just after they first discovered it, she went totally ga-ga over them and stuffed a bunch in her pockets. Seeing that there were several other kinds of food she could have eaten/taken, seems they made a point of the Appolo candy. Now that I think about it, I think the episode with young Annie/Ben happened after the Kate eating the candy episode, which makes me think that it means something significant. Then again, my brain could be "Farradized" and I could be all wrong. ;-)
Posted by: widsl | March 7, 2008 10:38 AM"

This an observation to widsl's above post...In Lostpedia it states that on the DVD commentary track for "The Man Behind the Curtain" Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse describe Annie as being of "seismic" importance to Lost. Really? In Lostpedia, the picture they show of Annie is the splitting image of Kate. As an aside, the picture they show of Ben's mother's looks just like Juliette. Interesting...

I have to respectfully disagree that it is Michael on the freighter. I think it is Sayiid. We have seen how people connected with the island and messed up by it can "fix" the future when Desmond told Penny in 1996 to PLEASE answer the phone on Christmas Eve in 2001 (?year?). And we have also seen Sayiid taking orders from Ben in a flashforward. Sayiid is presently on the freighter. In some twisted "Lost" logic, Future Ben has Sayiid as "his guy on the boat" in present "Lost" time. Make sense?

just a quick thought. regardless of whether ben i all knowing and has all these powers. Desmond was in the hatch for 3 years pushing numbers and living with that other dude. Remember when the losties went to that other hatch across the island with the TVs and there as a live stream of the first hatch? I remember then seeing jack walking around in the video. And obviously ben must have known about it. sooooo I guess my question is do u think ben knew about that guy and desmond being in there for 3 year and pushing the button? If so, he clearly didnt interfere with that whole situation, so does that mean he wanted them there pushing the button? and when locke was trying to stop them from pushing the button ben+others were on the docks dealing with jack/kate/sawyer/michael and didnt have time to respond? did any of that make sense?

also i need clarification on the whole pushing the button, lockdown, implosion. remember when locke was stuck under that huge metal bc of some lock down mechanism in teh hatch and he had ben climb through the vents to push the buttons and then everything went back to normal after he saw the blacklight picture? didnt ben say he never typed in the numbers and he didnt actually get to in time? should that have cause an implosion? since desmond wasnt there w. the failsafe key? and why wasnt there an implosion. i honestly never understood it. And back before the losties got there desmond and that guy would induce the lockdown thing by putting some metal cart under the metal doors. why did they do that? did it induce supplies to be dropped?

ahhhh i hate that i cant remember all this.

do u think the guy that was originally in there was an other and was sent by ben to make sure desmond pushed the button? didnt he go out in a yellow suite/gas mask every once in while (even though we know now it was jsut a way to keep desmond from leaving. do you think that was to go visit the others camp and get new orders from ben. OR do you think he was not associated with ben/other and he really was leaving to only fix up desmond's boat so he could leave?

anyone who could explain that part of lost to me I'd be grateful. it seems like it started getting too complicated to explain for the writers so the only thing they could do was have it implode and not have to worry about explaining later. haha.

btw i think all the drama in here is hilarious. lol

the lockdown happened when the food drop came. the idea was the lock down occurred so that the team in the hatch wouldn't know where the drop came from. ben SAID he didn't enter the number, but i think we can all agree that he lied. obviously, we know what happens when you don't push the button. he was just messing with locke's head, trying to test his faith.
the guy that desmond was with was associated with dharma, he was not an other. he was fixing desmond's boat, and he didn't want desmond to know. when ben found out about that boat, (later in season 3), he was surprised and angry. if the guy desmond was with was an other, ben would have known about the boat.
as far as why desmond and the other guy tripped the wires to cause a lockdown - i'm not sure i remember the reason. obviously, they did it for practice, so that when it happened on its own, they could react quickly. that's the only explanation i have, really. maybe they wanted to make sure they had access to the button, or perhaps they wanted to see where the food drops came from. who knows. it did not make the food drops happen, though. the food drops made the doors go down, not the other way around.
i think ben did know about it, but as long as the button kept getting pushed, he saw no reason to interfere. the people in the hatch stayed isolated, so they weren't really a threat.

I haven't made it through all the comments yet, so SORRY! if this has already been said, but I figured out it was Whitmore's boat when, in "The Constant," Desmond went to the auction house to find Mr. Whitmore. Mr. Whitmore was bidding on the ship log/journal from The Black Rock and won. I figured if he had the journal then he'd know about the island and be trying to find it. So that's how *I* came to the conclusion it was Whitmore's boat.

Skigirl - I also thought that the picture of young Annie looks so much like Kate that Kate could be Annie grown up. Only thing is that Kate is supposed to be in her late twenties and Ben is in his early forties - and that's too much of an age difference for them to have been childhood friends as Annie would be closer to Ben's age. I think.

Thanks hh.

that does clear up a lot. so ben must have known that the purge did not kill the guy in the hatch. and perhaps he did that intentionally to keep him alive and still pushing the button. do u think the reason it said quarantine on the hatch door was to keep anyone from going in and thus putting the guy in danger of being killed by the gas? he did have yellow body suits and gas masks meaning he must have known something about there being a toxic gas source somewhere on the island (the tempest?). I hope all this charlotte/daniel/tempest story line does somehow tie back in with the first hatch and the what they were doing there to begin with.

btw as much as i liked ben trotting around with bed sheets in the last scene, if i were one of the losties following locke around, i wouldnt have really appreciated him making these drastic changes in strategy without even warning us. i mean they had basically trusted locke to keep them alive, which seemed to involve keeping ben in a leash and beating him up periodically. The least locke could do was gather them all around and explain to them what was going on. Locke really doesnt know how to be a leader.

A few interesting things to revisit:

Season 1 episode 1x3: A farmer holds a shotgun pointed at Kate and asks what she's doing sleeping in his barn. They speak for awhile and realize they can help each other. He needs some help on the farm, and she needs a job with room and board. She tells the farmer that her name is Annie.

Season 1 episode 1x4: At the Walkabout: The man says, "You neglected to tell us about your condition." Locke shouts that he can do this and that he has been preparing for a year. It's his destiny.

Season Episode 2x1: Jack is working out, running up stadium steps. He sees someone else doing the same and works to keep pace with him, but twists his ankle. The other runner comes over. "You alright, brother?"
Jack says he's fine and the other guy tells him to take it easy and keep the weight off. He asks if it hurts and Jack says no, so the guy deduces that it's not a sprain. "I don't fancy your chances of catching up with me tonight, though."

"I wasn't trying to catch up."

"Aye, of course you weren't."

"What do you know about sprains, anyway?"

"I was almost a doctor once."

"Small world," Jack says.

"You a doctor then?" the guy asks and Jack nods. "So what's your excuse?"

"Excuse?" Jack asks.

"To run like the devil's chasing you. My excuse, I'm training for a race around the world. Impressive, I know. So your excuse better be good, brother."

Jack says he's just trying to work things out and the guy guesses a girl. Jack says a patient and the guy says, "Aye, but a girl patient. What's her name?"

"Her name's Sarah."

"You must have done something worthy of this self-flagellation."

Jack says, "I told her I'd fix her and I couldn't. I failed."

The guy says, "Right. Just one thing. What if you did fix her?"

Jack says he didn't and the guy says, "But what if you did?"

"With her situation that would be a miracle, brother," Jack says.

The guy says, "Oh, and you don't believe in miracles? Right. Well then, I'm going to give you some advice anyway. You have to lift it up."

Jack looks unconvinced. "Lift it up?"

"Your ankle. You have to keep it elevated. It's been nice chatting..." He waits for Jack to give his name and he does.

The guy says, "Jack, I'm Desmond. Good luck, brother. See you in another life, yeah?"

Hello all, I've been reading this blog since last season and really enjoy it. This is my first post. Just had a few thoughts. I really don't like Michael either (Walt, Walt) I do think he is on the freighter maybe not Bens man on the boat , but I think the frieghter picked him up at sea. Michael was very mean and evil at the end shooting Libby and Ana Lucia. He was working for Ben then maybe he still is I also think he is one of the Oceanic 6 and Sun is the other. Lets not forget Suns affair with I think it was her english teacher, so to me she's no better tha Juliet. I think sometimes the writers throw us red herrings to get us off track. Where did Ben get the tape of Widmore?? Did he get it before Locke blew up the sub?? Oh well if you have any thoughts on this I look forward to reading them. You guys are really awesome with your theorys It makes me rethink alot of things.

LOST rules!

"Goodwin busts in on Ben and Juliet with the offer of an egg salad sandwich -- that sly dog!"

You are hilarious! Ben's icy look overrode that cheesy/clumsy attempt at establishing Goodwin & Juliet's no-no relationship.
Kinda.

I didn't think this one was that bad of an episode - I thought the reveal of Widmore was lame -- just like I think the big twist coming up BETTER NOT be MICHAEL on the boat. Ummm...when you announce well before the season begins that a hated character is returning and then you list his name in the credits - so that people who don't even listen to podcasts know he's back - there better be another twist in store! A big pretzel-y sort of twist.

While I'm off on a tangent I have to say - that was not a bikini! That was her mismatched bra and underwear. Probably doesn't make it less hot for a guy.

And Jack and Juliet's kiss was terrible. Aside from the fact that I want her sent back to Florida to be with her neice and sister and AWAY from Jack - it lacked all passion. They just sort of banged their closed mouths against each other. It was bad.

And it looked a lot more like Jack was thinking 'that Benjamin Linus doesn't control me' than 'Juliet, I love you and I'll take care of you'.
Ugh.

What is up with Claire being sensible? Maybe her hormones are settling or something.

Locke continues to show himself nothing more than a dangerous pawn in Ben's hands. Dangerous because he thinks he's making his own decisions but Ben is carefully guiding him along to position himself precisely where he wants to be --- and even Harper (Island/Ben's/Jacob/Smoke Monster emanation??) couldn't keep from gloating over that fact.

Have to say - even without the whispers turning around in the jungle to see that botox ravaged face and mj set of eyebrows would be enough to scare me into complying with Ben! Whatever it would take to not see her again! Ack!

Sorry if this is somewhere in the other 200 and whatever # comments -- but the episode was called The Other Woman.

As in:
*sleeping with a married man
*getting in between Kate and Jack
*not Annie
*one of the Others

There could be even another way for Juliet to be the Other woman but...I need coffee.

if we assume the guy in the hatch with desmond was associated with dharma (which is what he tells desmond), then i think maybe we can assume that he had been told about the purge. that would be a good reason to wear a bio hazard suit, it you ask me. but, he did say something about the "sickness", so maybe we still don't know exactly what that is yet.
also, i agree about locke being a lousy leader right now. there are already seems to be a little dissension, so letting ben go would not be a way to gain anyone's confidence. but the one liner that ben offers "see you at dinner" is one of the reasons why i liked this episode. it got back a little bit of that humor that was missing in last week's serious episode.

oh, or he knew about the tempest and the toxic gas. that's probably more likely than him knowing about the purge.

Another random observation that may have already been posted, but I still haven't made it thru all the other comments...I doubt it's about the *money* for Whitmore - it's about the POWER! Of course he doesn't need the money, but what do most people want besides money?? Power! And if he had the power of the island, he'd be the most powerful man alive. (Of course, Jacob would still be the most powerful dead guy, LOL!)

Okay so I havent been watching Lost all that long, but I love the show. In the previous episode it showed Sayid working for Ben. Any chance Sayid is now the man on the boat, and Ben knew he would be going there? Just an idea, because then Locke would be shocked and need to sit down to believe that Sayid has been Ben's man the whole time.

Daniel, I am a 1st time poster but have read your comments and thoroughly enjoyed all the Lost info. My 37 yr old son got me hooked on this show by getting me the LOST season 1 and I watched it one weekend and I was hooked. We now burn dvds with our DVR & DVD player. Of course I Have all 3 seasons now and it is right there with my x-files series! I can't wait to read all the postings from all the LOST followers! Soo... I noticed on the wall of Bens house the photos of a girl growing up and thought it was Alexis or could they possibly be the young girl friend Ben grew up with. We still do not know how Ben managed to take Danniel Rousseau's daughter Alexis or do we? Also Mr. Echoe did not renew his contract with Lost which makes me feel he is definitely not Ben's man on the freighter.
I could see Charlie reappearing and we know Michael is due to appear this next week.
I keep feeling that Kate's son is James (Sawyer's) son and Jack is unable to accept the boy. Kate obviously at least up to now in FF didn't seem to show a maternal side with babies or children. She does care for horses and dogs. Perhaps she decided to name her baby after Claires Arron because Kate wanted the same loving relationship. Since names seem to matter has anyone read the bible story of Arron.

Daniel, I am a 1st time poster but have read your comments and thoroughly enjoyed all the Lost info. My 37 yr old son got me hooked on this show by getting me the LOST season 1 and I watched it one weekend and I was hooked. We now burn dvds with our DVR & DVD player. Of course I Have all 3 seasons now and it is right there with my x-files series! I can't wait to read all the postings from all the LOST followers! Soo... I noticed on the wall of Bens house the photos of a girl growing up and thought it was Alexis or could they possibly be the young girl friend Ben grew up with. We still do not know how Ben managed to take Danniel Rousseau's daughter Alexis or do we? Also Mr. Echoe did not renew his contract with Lost which makes me feel he is definitely not Ben's man on the freighter.
I could see Charlie reappearing and we know Michael is due to appear this next week.
I keep feeling that Kate's son is James (Sawyer's) son and Jack is unable to accept the boy. Kate obviously at least up to now in FF didn't seem to show a maternal side with babies or children. She does care for horses and dogs. Perhaps she decided to name her baby after Claires Arron because Kate wanted the same loving relationship. Since names seem to matter has anyone read the bible story of Arron.

I agree with JesseRose. If Whitmore were truly looking for the island (Though you can’t trust anything Ben says) it would be about the POWER. For most people in power, money is just a way of keeping score. What does any man with power want? MORE POWER! (Yes, I did get that from the Matrix movies).

Concerning Ben’s man on the boat, there is a strong case for it being Michael though it is the most obvious anyway. Here are my thoughts. We already know that the island is in some type of temporal flux and that it is not constant (Faraday’s test rocket taking 31 minutes to arrive verses the helicopter taking over a day to reach the boat). I believe that when Michael and Walt left on the boat back at the end of season 2 they never made it very far because they didn’t stay on the narrow path Ben told them they needed to take to get off the island, or Ben simply gave them the wrong coordinates to take because he never intended for them to leave. Either case, not going through the proper coordinates caused time to be distorted for them. In other words, for the people on the island a few days have passed but for Michael and Walt a couple of years have passed. I say this because I believe that it was the real Walt standing over Locke in the pit and not an island apparition.

On the other hand I have played with the idea of the man on the boat being Boone. His being alive again and his closeness to Locke when he was alive would certainly be reason for Ben to ask Locke to sit down before he revealed the identity.

One last thing, in addition to the temporal flux the island is experiencing, I also believe that the island is not stationary on the plant. I believe it is always invisible to the naked eye and is pivoting around the planet picking up and depositing items as it goes. Example: The Black Rock in the middle of the island and the Dahrma Polar bear in the desert.

think it's possible that jacob is a convenient manifestation of ben's powers?

i was thinking that jacob might have been manifesting as walt, christian, shannon, etc., but when i think about how walt's adoptive father didn't want him anymore because walt's powers gave him the creeps, i'm not sure i think that stuff is jacob.

i think that one of the previous posts is correct...that kate is really annie.
first off there was the farm flashback where she said that her name was annie
and in a later flashback where she is about to go visit her mom in the hospital she was blonde but dyed her hair back to brunette
i looked at pictures of evangeline lilly as a blonde and juliet....they kinda do look similar
and that would explain why it is that ben was so eager to have dinner with her when he was holding her sawyer and jack captive
just a thought

I also often thought of little Annie as Kate but Kate is much younger than Ben. unless there is some kind of time warp thing, seems hard to imagine them the same age as Annie and Ben were as kids. althought the Annie actress looks like she could grow up to be Kate.

I think Kate used the name Annie at the farm because its her middle name. but that beach dinner that Ben planned for her when she was in the animal jail was pretty weird. but could little Annie have grown up to be Juliette? now Juliette and Ben seem very similar in age and now we see he has a crush on her.

some of the sort of non-important things on this past show are ruining the quality of it: Kate turns her back on someone who just put a gun to her, so she gets clobbered. Juliet is in the medical office on the island wearing black heels. even if a doctor dresses like that in L.A., who walks around a tiny community on an island wearing black heels. And as a U.S. licensed doctor, does she worry about going to an undisclosed location and practicing medicine. oh well, its tv, maybe too much focus on these details. But (our) Daniel once said (I think) that he hoped Lost doesn't get the Alias curse and start going downhill. me too. still love the show and always will. very unique storyline and love all the theories folks put forth.
and were did Juliette get all those dinner rolls from??? hahaha

The woman jumping into the ocean in next week's preview is the character Regina, played by Zoe Bell, new Zealand stuntwoman extraordinaire who recently had a lead role in Tarantino's DEATH PROOF.

Wow you guys have really outdone yourselves this week! Couple thoughts...

My $.02 on the heated "man on the boat" debate...I'm gonna go with one of the early posters who suggested it's Locke. A few weeks ago I thought it might have been Sayid, but after hearing Ben tell Locke to sit down for this, I think that would be the one thing to truly shock him. Locke has always readily accepted the mystical properties of the island and all the weird goings on. So I don't think he would be truly shocked if he found out Ben's man on the boat was Sayid, Michael, Walt, etc. But if it were himself, that would be truly mind blowing!

On another note, I'm having trouble comprehending why so many people think Kate is Annie? Does that mean you all think she is doing some sort of time traveling or that she hasn't aged? Because Ben has to be a good 15-20 years older than Kate, so how could they be childhood friends? However, has anyone considered that Kate's mother is Annie? Maybe that's where she got her middle name from and her love for Apollo bars? I know her name is listed as Diane but she could have changed it for any number of reasons. And she really bears a striking resemblance to Juliet, at least in the tiny pic they have of her on Lostpedia.

This is a little off topic, but it sparked a heated debate a while back, so I thought I'd post it for anyone that hasn't seen it. It's from a recent EW interview with Matthew Fox. Not sure if it should be taken as canon, but found it interesting...

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: Fans have been analyzing this Jack line from the flash-forward: ''You get my father down here.... And if I'm drunker than he is, you can fire me.'' Given that his dad is dead, what was your take on that?

MATTHEW FOX: He was so loaded and emotionally distraught that he talks about his father as if he's still alive. I called Damon on it, and he gave me a couple stories — actual accounts of people whose very close relative [died], and in a moment of being really f---ed up, talked about them as if they did not know they were not alive. In that moment, Jack is losing track of any concept of time. I knew that there was a way to look at it and go, ''Well, that's kind of manipulative.'' But when you [realize], ''Oh, it's in the future,'' you can believe that the man — years after his father has actually passed away — says that about his father in that moment. I totally buy it.

One other thing I just thought of...a lot of people keep saying where are the rest of the Others?? but don't forget, they've only been separated from Ben for about 5 or 6 days in Island time...not very long if they're plotting something or carrying out Ben's plans.

P.S. I think we should all start a writing campaign to ABC and demand that they air the promised 8 more episodes of Lost instead of just the 5 they're going to try to complete. I don't understand why they can't air episodes past May? Lord knows they're gonna stick us with nothing but reality crap all summer anyway. Chop a few reality episodes off the block and let Lost air later than intended.

I know I am on the end of this thread, but I just have to ask: What happened to the numbers? They are rarely incorporated in the current episodes.
Also, does anyone think there is any significance to the children mentioned on the flight, Zach & Emma?
My husband has come to the conclusion that the writers are just screwing with us - Kind of like "Twin Peaks" - who killed Laura Palmer? It was her dad but by the end no one cared. Too many other things happened and we were pulled in so many bizarre twists and turns culminating in "Fire Walk with Me".
I am honestly afraid that this is how Lost will end up.

I know that we will find out eventually who Annie is. I think that Kate and Annie have nothing to do with each other, but it is peculiar that they would have (or use) the same name/ Noone else on this ENTIRE island has had the same name?...

Another poster asked if anyone knew the biblical story of Aaron. The biblical Aaron is the great-great-grandson of Jacob.

Skigirl
The bible story of Aaron, I think that is going to be very important thanks for the info.
Another thought ..didn't Jack have a bloody nose recently.. Could he be the man on the boat, considering he doesn't seem interested enough to ask questions of the freighties

while watching this show, i have often pointed out biblical references to my husband, who doesn't really know much about it. so, i'm also very intrigued by the names jacob/aaron, who, as someone else mentioned, are ancestors in the bible. but jacob's story is much more interesting. he was a twin born to a mother who was thought to be barren. god allowed her to get pregnant, and she had twins. while she was pregnant, the twins fought each other, and god told her that they would be rivals, two separate nations struggling for power, but the younger one would win. JACOB was the younger one. the birthright first went to esau, the oldest, but he later sold it to jacob for one meal, showing that he cared little about it. they remained rivals, and their nations (jacob = israel, esau = edom) also struggled against each other.
jacob eventually married rachel, whom was also barren at first. but she had two sons: joseph and BENJAMIN. she DIED IN CHILDBIRTH with benjamin.

HOLY CRAP!!! no pun intended :) Thx hh

Lost in Texas, coolie, Jodie, Cam...can you people seriously get a life? Your bickering and nasty comments to each other are tedious for the rest of us. Cam, this is not a theory -- it's really true, just to be clear.

we already talked about the biblical story of aaron and jacob...

we figured aaron who is claries son who is christians daughter. so far were up to grandfather. we needed one more person in the chain between christian and jacob. obviously being one of christians parents

i meant to ask if anyone had some ideas? the aaron/jacob talk withered away.

ps i forgot who brought it back up but thanks. for those of you that dont know i love christian and i believe hes one of the most important people in this show

i don't think we can draw any direct lineage besides the christian-claire-aaron connection at this point. we don't know how long jacob has existed on the island, or if he is or ever was human. and even though i think christian is an important character and that jacob has inhabited his body, i don't think we can directly connect him to the greater meaning of everything - at this point, anyway. his connection to so many losties, to me, seems to exemplify john donne's famous "no man is an island" quote. no matter how isolated an individual is or tries to be, he is always connected to someone else and his actions overlap with others. sometimes, it feel like the 6 degrees of christian shepherd.
the reason i reiterated the jacob/aaron lineage is because it's important and some people don't know the story. sorry if you felt it was redundant. but with all the biblical references - not just jacob/aaron (and benjamin, in my opinion) - it's not feasible to just tuck all that away and not revisit it. the "adam and eve" in the cave should be revealed at some point (if i remember the DVD commentary correctly), so perhaps they will eventually bridge the lineage gaps. i doubt there is a direct familial link between jacob and christian; if there is a connection, it won't be one as direct as grandfather/great-grandfather. biblically, benjamin and jospeh are the direct descendants of jacob (along with his other 10 sons that make up the 12 tribes of israel). obviously, on the island, jacob and benjamin are connected. so would that bridge the gap? jacob, ben, christian, claire/jack, aaron? women are traditionally left out of biblical lineage, and even in modern day, they don't keep their maiden name, so maybe the connection is jack instead of claire. just a thought...

and no, i don't know how ben and christian would connect, but it seems like the most obvious way to set up a "lineage" at this point.

hh - you werent redundant, i forgot about that story and im glad someone else brought it up. i really dont know any bible stories but when i heard that one, i tried to incorporate the show.

i have no basis for christian being a very important player, i just really like him a lot.

i like how you brought up the connection could be jack, i honestly never thought of that, but if its going off of the great-lineage, we'd have to use claire.

i wonder if they will ever find out they are related considering claire doesnt know his name. id like it if they both saw christian on the island together and they were both like dad and then theyd both be like what? hahah me and my christian fantasy land.

i still have hope that claire and jack will discover they are half-siblings. well, let me rephrase: i think jack will find out. claire may die before she gets a chance, but jack should eventually find out. like you said, she doesn't even know his name, just what he looks like. perhaps jack finding out adds to his seemingly rapid descent into alcoholism and depression. he finds out they're related and his guilt goes through the roof. and maybe when he finds out he starts calling kate obsessively (like we saw him doing in last season's finale) and starts feeling like they need to go back.

man, i can't read all these posts! i do not have dvr, so can someone tell me the name of the author on the book Ben was reading? it was the opening of a scene, so i assume it is relivent. Lost episodes are like Radiohead songs, there are no bad ones.

Wasn't Ben's mom's name Rachel???? like the biblical history lesson helping this out- keep going with it...

how does Ruth tie in? Ruth is the mother, or mother in law of Naomi, whom she told, "Wherever you go, I go with you", which was almost the same verbage as the bracelet worn by Naomi, signed with the initials 'RG'

Ben tells Locke to sit down because he is about to tell him that Locke himself is the man on the boat!! Duh! What other person on the boat would shock Locke? Michael wouldnt shock him to where he would need to sit down. As for Juliet being a slut, I dont agree. She is a woman who was plunged into a lonely and scary place and clung to something regardless if it was the right thing to do. Not that I condone it but you can see why she put herself in that position. And her relationship with Jack? Who wouldnt fall in love with a hot piece of man like that??!!

ben's mom's name was emily, not rachel.

I respectfully disagree, I think Ben is going to tell Locke that Walt is his man on the boat... that would necessitate Locke sitting down, I would think. Locke really thought a lot of Walt, Ben has already heard Locke tell his group that 'Taller Ghost Walt' told him to get out of the pit, and how could Walt be on the island and on the boat? That would be enough to have Locke sit down and take a deep breath... but Walt had special 'abilities' that the Others understood right away. He's the man on the boat, which makes sense...

Michael and Walt set out in a boat, following the same bearings as the helicopter that just landed at the freighter. Minkowski said that the freighter has been parked there for a long time awaiting orders... Michael and Walt would have steered their boat directly into the freighter... thats why Walt will be the man on the boat, and Michael is probably there too!

another question I can't remember the answer to... juliet's sister's name?

Just wondering if she was the barren woman who gives birth to twins... Rachel? Is her name Rachel?

There's so much going on I'm completely lost and can't remember any of the peripheral people's names- sorry.

while i wouldn't call juliet a slut, she shouldn't have been sleeping with a married man, no matter how bad his marriage was. he's at fault, more so than her, but if you know a man is married, you just don't cross that line. in my opinion. and i don't fault her for falling for jack; i fault jack and kate for not getting their shit together and realizing that they are suited for each other (not that i love either of their characters, but they deserve each other). plus, i just plain don't trust juliet. she knows too much. and she knew that jack loved kate! she was with the others for over three years; she's been with the losties for a matter of days. she told jack he wouldn't want to see her file - i'm thinking there's some pretty bad stuff in it for her to say that. an affair wouldn't be enough to keep her file a secret.

yes - juliet's sister is named rachel! aha! she had one son - julienne.

I agree that there's a lot more to Juliet than she's letting on, especially with her 'you haven't seen my file comment' but at the same time, it was pretty bad that she was using her ex's research lab to run experiments on her own sister that broke all kinds of ethics, law, and who knows what else. That might be what she's referring to?

Or that she said something like, "why can't you just get hit by a bus" to her ex, and then he walked right out in traffic and that exact thing happened?

That would be enough to make me think I had a pretty bad track record and that Jack wouldn't want to 'read my file'

Hello?!?! People, this is not the first episode in which Jack and Juliet have kissed. Why is no one remembering their kiss in last year's finale????

her research was considered ground breaking since it was successful; she never had to face any kind of ethical board, because she got whisked off to the island. and i don't think that her file would quite her saying "he could get hit by a bus" - that's a pretty detailed file! plus, she didn't have any actual connection to his death - the others did it, not her.
however, on the island, we've seen her shoot and kill two people in cold blood. remember when sawyer said, "the one that held the gun on you (kate), she would have shot you, no questions." that "she" was juliet. plus, this back to the fight and hitting she's done - she knocked jack out, got the best of kate, until kate dislocated her shoulder. i'm just saying, after three years on the island, juliet is hard core, she's done some awful things we don't know about it yet.

D - yeah, that kiss sucked, too. and it was more like juliet kissed him good-bye, not that they kissed each other.

hh, yep you're right...

Michelle El...thank you for saying that. I agree with you. She did do something wrong, BUT for the third time...it takes two to tango! And does no one see how fake harper looks (how much surgery did that take??) and she was a bit short with juliet. I said before that juliet was the new hot doctor in town so she was mad. and i think i mentioned before that goodwin seemed a bit of a charmer. sooooo. id blame their crappy relationship rather than juliet being a "slut" which is just plain mean calling her that!

I've been checking out this blog for a few weeks now but this is the first time I've posted. Anyways, (and sorry if someone's already mentioned this) I'm not sure I buy the whole Kate being Annie theory, or if they have anything to do with each other at all. But just a thought- could Kate mother be Annie? After all, her name IS DiANNE and it could explain Kate's middle name being Anne and why she reckognized the apollo bars. Just a thought.....

My husband was married when I met him. His wife was even pregnant! But he didn't love her anymore, so it was ok that we started our relationship. I bet Goodwin didn't love Harper anymore, either, so it's really not a big deal that they were having a relationship...when you meet your soul-mate, you just have to go with it. It's a chance you may never get again.

Sorry that was off topic but I felt like I needed to defend Juliette.

so people keep bringing up how kate "recognized" the apollo bars. i don't think the look on her face was one of recognition. to me, it was more of a, "OH MY GOD! Chocolate!!!"

I think that the voices are people passing through time or space or something like that or people watching them somehow....

Lindsey, Buttercup, Cam, Aliyah and Erin-I love to read what all of you write! Such great insight and so much more enjoyable than the same old "jump the shark" statements. Very ORIGINAL and outside of the box thinking.

On another note, I don't get why everyone likes Ben so much!??! To me, he's manipulative, creepy and untrustworthy. And I love Juliet! I really believe in her and that she is a good person. Someone stated they like how she got so emotional about the women dying and I love that too! I dont like her and Jack together though. As said already by intuitive others, there is no fire. Not even smoulder. I believe it will be Locke as the inside man although I love the idea of bringing back the most intriguing character ever on tv back-Mr Eko! And two thumbs up on the cloning perspective!! And Daniel, thank you for opening up this avenue for all of us Losties to brainstorm together!! Only 4 of my friends watch Lost and none are as passionate as we are so I don't have anyone in my life to talk to about it except you all! I look foward to reading everyone's thoughts just as much as seeing the new epis! Have a great week :D

I think Sayid is the man on the boat. I think he works for Ben now, has been for a long time, and obviously does in the future. I also wonder if Daniel and Charlotte turned off the gas because they (on the ship) are planning some sort of attack and didn't want Ben to be able to gas them. They (on the ship) were waiting for orders; invasion?...people meeting them to help? This is way out there, but what if some of the losties can go back in time, not get on the plane, and therefore never get to the island. All of this could never happen.

Just posted but forgot to put my name. about the Dharma drops, I think maybe they stopped because none of them are there anymore. Maybe it took them a while to get word about what had happened to all the Dharma people. Why would they drop food and supplies if their people are all dead?

anybody ever watch the so-called "sneak peaks" of the upcoming episode on eonline.com? no spoilers, just slightly longer versions of a couple elements we're shown in the previews.

I am Michelle El and I live in Clearwater Florida. I dont know if you all know this but there is a glass building here where the apparition of the Virgin Mary showed up a few years ago and millions of people have come to see it. I think the building was a bank but could no longer function because of so much traffic! Appropriately, a church bought it. When Ben refered to the moss apparition in Gainville (Go Gators!) Fl. I believe this is where the writers got that from. Check it out
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the food drops only happened like every three months or so. remember hurley took a survey f all the food (before the drop) and told jack it would last one man three meals a day for three months. and if all the dharma people were killed in the 80's or so, i don't think it would take nearly 20 years to figure out they were all dead. the last food drop came toward the end of season 2, when they had been on the island for about two months, so for all we know, one will be coming sometime in the future. i don't think they would just stop, unless it was programmed to stop when the hatch imploded or when the flame exploded. the other's barracks are stocked with dharma food also, so there are probably drops that happen in other places on the island, as well. not like they have a grocery store! but you're right, if they know about the purge - and i kind of got that feeling when charlotte said ben had used the gas/poison before - then why would dharma continue to send groceries to the others? unless whidmore's people know, but dharma doesn't.

SKI GIRL...exactly what I was thinking that Ben is Ben's man on the boat. He goes there later, gets the side effects, flashes back and is able to "tell" himself about the freighters and their plan. He would easily have a constant too because he learns who goes to and from the Island so he knows who to talk to. And as to Hey you... as far as Miles not making the offer if Ben is Ben's man...Miles doesn't know yet that Ben will be on the boat later.

Had another thought too that Walt (and perhaps Michael too) are Others, or at least were able to be persuaded to join up. The reason I think that about Walt is the way he has been appearing out of nowhere, much like the Others do, (and Christian has in the past) and like Harper did this week, with whispers and then all of sudden, boom, there an Other is. Michael sort of appeared this way when they found him in the jungle when he went back to get Ben out of the hatch. All of sudden there he was in the jungle. So if Ben turned him, then he could have sent him to the boat, and returned Walt to the Island. The freighters think he is a Lostie, so they keep him, because Widmore/Oceanic/whoever, doesn't want anyone to know about them (hence the cover story for the 6). Michael gathers info about the freighter folk and relays it to Ben, who checks them out like he did the Losties. It does seem to make sense, though I don't really like it.

Also, how did Rousseau avoid the Purge? She's a crafty one.

I just dicovered this blog this week and am loving it - just have to post a couple of my opinions and theories (sure hope I don't get flamed!)

Also this post is very long and I apologize. Please feel free to ignore me.

1) Oceanic 6 - I believe Aaron to be included in the number - "Oceanic 6" seems like such a media-given name that I think it would apply to an infant who Literally was not a passenger, but who really IS a survivor of the crash.

2) I don't see how Kate can pass off Aaron as her own - this would mean that they would have to be stranded on the island another 5 months and then how does she explain a newborn baby that is nine months old? Granted, I have no other theory to explain how she seems to have custody of Aaron in the future. I figured that if Claire survived and had Aaron, she would be legally bound to still give him up for adoption since she signed a contract - maybe that figures into it somehow, making her the 6th survivor.

3) Michael is the obvious choice for the 'man on the boat.' but if it's him I will be let down - the advertising build-up has been so big that it will be a big dud. Whoever it is has to PHYSICALLY be there before Sayid and Desmond get there - because there is someone running around on the boat. Remember, they let Sayid and Desmond out of the locked Sickbay. The communications officer says something to the effect of "looks like you have a friend on the boat."

My bet is that the 'man on the boat' is Libby. I think she's actually an Other - one of the original Hostiles, which would mean that she is probably a native of the island and would age either not at all or very slowly (like Richard) And could explain how she got out of the grave - the genuine 'others' seem to be able to move around in some immediate and mysterious manner. I love her, and I think it would be greta for Hurley's character, too. (Plus, there was always something fishy about her....she's a rich divorcee who gives her boat to Desmond, she's in the institution with Hurley, she's a scrappy psychatrist...hm...)

4) speaking of which - I think the pregnancy problem affect ONLY the original Hostiles - not regular folks (so Sun is safe). Juliet says when looking at someone's radiology chart that it appears to be of a 70-year old woman...couldn't these women actually BE 70 years old? Does Juliet even know that (except for Ben) the Others are strangely youthful for their ages? Ben seems to let details like that slip sometimes...

6) There doesn't seem to be a real time difference EXCEPT when travelling to and from the island. Remember, Sayid doesn't seem the least surprised to find out it is Christmas Eve - they've only been there 100 days or so and there's no dramatic time difference yet. (Also when the helicopter lands - Sayid is surprised that they left at dusk, travelled for 20 minutes, and landed at midday - so it still took them just as long to get there - it just seemed shorter)

Perhaps it has to do with how FAST you are travelling to and from the island.

The rocket is going very fast, and only loses 31 minutes. According to the instant satellite transmission, it should have taken just a minutes.

The helicopter, it's presumable, travelled slower than the rocket (they experienced approx 30 minutes?), and their trip takes approximately 18 hours.

Michael and Walt have been taking a small boat - they could just have just gotten to the freighter after going for a day or so.

If it's a mathematical formula - that would make the time they ACTUALLY travelled about 31 days...right about now, right? And Walt will be the same age as when he left.

I think it's Ben in the coffin - we don't know how far ahead THAT flashforward was.

I also think it's either Locke or Claire that is the 6th survivor.

And if only one of my theories is right, I hope it's that Libby is an other and is the 'man on the boat.'

PS - If the rabbit #15 can travel in time, I bet so can anyone else if they have the right machinery (I don't think rabbit #15 was a clone - otherwise there wouldn't be such a fuss. I think meeting your clone would be a lot less catastrophic than going back in time and meeting yoruself. That would cause a paradox since Faraday says (and I think we should believe him) you can't change the future.)

PPS - I love Juliet. I'd take her over wishy-washy Kate anyday. (Kate - make up your mind. Jack or Sawyer.)

Ok, two things:

Remember back in season 1 when the psychic lady told Claire that NO ONE can raise Aaron but Claire? What's going to happen now that Kate is raising him?!?

Does anyone think maybe it's Charlie on the boat?

Long time reader, first time poster. Does anyone else see the scary visual connection between Harper and the "Queen of the Kitties" (Jocelyn Wildenstein) from TMZ? I cut/pasted a side by side of them and it's scary to see Harper going down that plastic surgery avenue. It's as if it's a bad before/after picture.

Nothing else to add that hasn't already been posted in terms of theories. I love the insight of this blog. It's kind of boring to read the drama with some of the posters, but I guess every site on the net has it so I just skip it and move on.

Oh, and as for the Jack/Juliet kiss... at least move her hair away from her mouth for Pete's sake! That kiss was awful.

Someone wrote that maybe Kate's Mom is Annie. Her name is Dianne. Interesting. Made more interesting by the fact that she seems to be extending her own life and can't explain why her cancer should have killed her by now. Maybe the healing properties of the island stay with a person even off the island...

I know the backstory on Kate and the father mix-up, but if Dianne is Annie, could her father be... BEN?

My favorite line from this week's episode was when Locke brought dinner (the rabbit) to Ben and Ben said "Was there a number on this?" He tone was CLASSIC! I had rewind and listen to it twice.

HH- I love the theory about the biblical Jacob and Esau and Benjamin and Aaron... I love it. I looked up the name Esau and it means hairy... who is hairy on this island?? haha! kidding.
Benjamin means "son of my right hand" which I find interesting... like he is Jacob's right hand man.
I think that the LOST writers like to use biblical references a lot.

Anonymous, I like your idea that maybe some losties could travel back in time so that they NEVER WERE ON THE BOAT. That would kind of explain Kate with Aaron. Claire goes back in time to before she had him, so she leaves him with Kate. Maybe you can go back but you can't take another person(baby) with you. Or someone hid him. (The first baby born on the island would be real special to somepeople!)Then Kate got him from the island when she left.

But I think Charlie was trying to tell Hurley to go back and straighten out the Claire/Aaron deal. "they need your help".

I hope it is Boone on the boat. That would shake up Locke!

I just have to say something... the producers have said it time and time again... when someone dies, they are dead. Charlie is dead. Ecko is dead. Libby is dead. Paolo and Nikki are dead. None of these people can be "the man on the boat".

Oceanic 6

Jack
Kate
Hurley
Sayid
Jin
Sun

Yea, once they are dead they are dead. But I know of at least 2 characters that I ASSUMED were dead that ended up not being dead. Locke when Ben shot him. Mikail (the eye patch guy) when he hit the electric fence, and when he was shot with the harpoon gun in the "looking glass". Actually, Nikki and Paulo weren't dead, just buried alive. We have never seen Charlie's dead body. I am never sure ANYONE is dead.

So this isn't related to Thursday's episode but I thought it might be interesting to some-

Last night I was flipping chanels and saw Kevin Tighe (the actor who plays Locke's Dad) on Law & Order SVU. He was playing the owner of a book store named Cooper's Rare Books or something like that in NYC. I thought that was interesting that his character's name was Cooper in both shows. Coincidence?

coincidence

I've been watching first season again. I think the guy Whitemore captured may be Charlies brother.

HH:
You're missing one part of your analysis. In that same episode, when Juliet and Kate are handcuffed together, BEFORE they hit the fence, they run away from the smoke monster. Kate and Juliet hide in a hollow-like tree. Kate tells Juliet to be quiet and they wait for the monster to "flash" at them and leave. Juliet asks what was that and Kate seems annoyed and says "You've never seen that?" Thus, I don't think Juliet knew about the monster, especially if Ben did. He might just always instruct them to keep the fences on. Just a theory.
Also, I agree that Ben cannot be the man on the boat. First off, if they came for Ben, why would they even leave the freighter if he was on there? Secondly, it has to be someone the Losties recognize but the four freighties don't see when they go to the island. So, maybe Charlie, Eko, Michael, Walt. Michael does make the most sense because all Ben told him when he let him go was follow those coordinates and you'll hit a shipping path. Does anyone know how long it's been since that day on the dock? I think the guys would look a heck of a lot more surprised if it was someone who was supposed to be dead (especially if it's Charlie since Desmond first hand witnessed him die, unlike Eko where he was taken off and found). If Charlie survived the drowning, I feel like Desmond woul