The Lost Diary

I am with you. This was a ho-hum episode. I like Juliet getting slapped by Sun and the baby was cute but other than that, meh....

Before reading this entry, I would like to say that Yunjin Kim's acting MADE this episode.

I agree, very dissapointing and I LOVE Jin and Sun. I don't think Jin is actually dead. The date of death on his tombstone is September 22, 2004.... Urg! I need something good. Hopefully next week will be better when we find out Michael's story after leaving the island.

The only good part of this whole episode is Juliet starting to show her TRUE colors. That was a Ben Locke move if I ever saw one with Sun. I think she is still working for or with Ben.

I will say this. I thought the episode was boring and predictable as well. It was, however, the only episode where I cried. I was pulling for Jin and Sun.

I liked the episode ... cried at the end. How could they kill Jin - dammit!!!

I thought it was a great episode. I love Lost and even think the bad episodes are good.I was blown away when I realized that they were doing a flashback and a flashforward at the same time. They had me fooled. I thought it was brilliant.

im still confused? who was Jin seeing in the hospital? was it Sun? and why did they tell him that the baby was boy? and why was he so stressed over a panda? i dont know.. I like Jin and am a bit sad if he rtruly is dead.. can anyone clarify for me???

jen23- Jin was running an errand for Sun's dad since it was a flashback and he was still working for him...

I didn't think it was THAT bad. Even a sub-par episode of Lost is still better than the best episodes of most other shows! And I try never to read spoilers so even though I thought it would be Michael on the boat, I wasn't sure. I can't wait to hear where Walt is and maybe see how Ben got Michael to work for him!

Yea. That episode was beyond sub-par. As soon as Locke said he had a spy on the boat I knew it would be Michael. Especially since they announced he would be making an appearance this season at comic-con.

What is up with the Jin thing? Is he really dead or was his part a flashback? I am so confused about that.

Personally I really liked this episode, MUCH better than last week!

I like that we found out that Sun got off, I kind of figured she would so that she could have the baby and not die, but it was nice to have that validated.

Secondly, I'm with several people that are not really sure if Jin's dead. I'm suspecting some type of coverup.

I LOVED when Sun slapped Juliet, she should have kicked the living daylights out of her, but being pregnant I suppose that's not okay. I HATE Juliet and I hope that she's the one who dies next week.

The Michael reveal was not surprising, we knew he was going to be back this season so not a big shocker.

Curious as to why the Captain is really such a big deal other than the fact that he works for Charles Whidmore and also why the woman offed herself. That was strange.

I can't really pinpoint one reason why I thought the episode was awesome, but I really liked it. I think because we see the baby and know that Sun is safe.

I do have to say I was very distraught and sobbing on the couch when I realized that Jin was dead.

One point to make is why did Hurley say "Good" when Sun asked him if anyone else was coming?

I LOVED this episode! I cried when they were at the grave....I'mSo glad Sun named her the name Jin wanted....why didn't anyone else come to see the baby? - only Hurley? I am so excited now to see how they do get off the island.... You may not have liked it but you have to admit that the writing for LOSt is the BEST on TV-hands down.
Also, I know it is TV but the most unrealistic part of this whole episode was how THIN Sun is after having a baby- NOT real life at all

jen23- Jin was running an errand for Sun's dad since it was a flashback and he was still working for him...

Reasons this episode didn't completely suck:
1. When Juliet busted out the affair info to Jin. I think my heart stopped. Made me question is she compassionate or heartless?
2. The answer Sayid got from the captain. Getting confirmation that people out there know that the crash was staged was pretty creepy. Knowing Ben has the power to get that type of craziness executed is even creepier.
3. I agree that the whole Michael reveal was "eh", but now he is a part of the story again and that's a big plus. We all knew he was coming back, so there wasn't really a mind-blowing way to reintroduce him.

unimpressed also... but have to admit, i was totally confused trying to realize if jin was a flashback or a flashforward...

episode made me hate juliet more than ever... she's beyond ruthless. she's so worried about sun being 'her patient', but then what happened to 'patient-client privelege'?

i do think that michael is working as a double agent... i think he is ben's man on the boat (especially after the previews show ben saying 'what wouldn't a man do to save his son') but at the same time he is also the one leaving the door open for sayid and des to uncover the truth without exposing that he is the one leading them to it... thus protecting walt from ben

can't figure out why regina was reading upside down and then killed herself, or why someone was shot in the head in the stateroom that is offered to sayid/des...

It was just ok....my first thought after the end was ...the dreaded DUI strikes again..you get one you die on this show ... and by the way who IS able to come up with over 300 dead bodies???? but I guess if you want to stage a plane crash you would have to know this stuff

I was hoping the "man on the boat" would be anyone but Michael. No surprise there. I cried at the end of the show...does this mean I am too emotionally invested?

Did anyone else notice the year of Jin's death on his gravestone? It's 2004. On the island, isn't it the very end of 2004? On the freighter, Sayid commented on it being Christmas Eve, and a couple days has passed since that. So for Jin to die in 2004, that would have to be in the next episode or two. And the preview for next week mentioned someone dying.....

even though everyone knew that michael would be the man on the boat and seemed upset at the predictability, i'm totally excited for his return - we NEED to know what happened to michael and walt after they left the island: how michael came to work for ben, michael's role on the boat and remember locke sees walt after he gets shot - what was that about? i'm pumped for michael (and hopefully walt) to be back in the storyline, no matter how many people knew it would happen.

according to Lostpedia, the date of death on Jin's tombstone was Sept. 22, 2004; which is the day the plane crashed. Looks to me like the story the 6 are telling is that Jin died in the crash.

Sorry, I can't give you any reasons to love this episode. I think Jin is dead. Why would Hurley and Sun go to his grave and weep if he wasn't really dead. Why not just say, Gee I wish he was here and not stuck on the island being held hostage (like I think most of the survivors are).

I usually like every episode, even the one starring the blue van, but this episode really dissapointed.

Okay, now that I've read your thoughts, here are some of mine:

1. I think Jin counts as one of the Oceanic 6, because he died somehow after they got off the island. Which would explain why he is buried where he is buried.

2. I agree, the episode was a bit of a let down. I still thought Yunjin Kim was amazing in it. The force of personality that she gave Sun kept me at least somewhat interested in a mediocre episode.

3. Hahaha, Hurley's flashforward hair.

Amy Sept. 22, 2004 is when the plane crashed. It's part of the cover up.

Okay, I didn't see all the other entries before posting my previous comment. I didn't catch the entire date of Jin's death - if it was September, now I am really confused! As if I wasn't already....

Daniel, I am with you. It SUCKED. It was just poorly written. One of the best things about this show if how they take seemingly normal moments and totally creep you out and just when you think you've figured it out, they pull the rug out from under you. This episode sorta tried to do this but for me, it failed. I am one of those people who usually says there is no such thing as a bad lost episode but for me this was! How can they go from such a great episode like the constant and then to a pretty ok The Other Woman and then into this mess? I am keeping my fingers crossed for a great episode next week!

Was anyone else bursting into tears as he asked if the baby was his?!?!

I was bored the first half and barely interested the second half. I agree, Daniel, the trickery was lame. I too thought Jin was one of the O6 and was surprised he wasn't after all. I hated this episode even more when they revealed Jin is dead. I cried way more at that than at the whole Penny/Des thing.

What was that with Regina throwig herself off the freighter? Seemed kind of arbitrary. To be honest I didn't even care that much.

Oh well, maybe next time.

Not my favorite episode but I was SO excited to see Zoe Bell, then PISSED cause she d*mn killed herself before the end of her first episode. She would have been great as a recurring character.

CAM- ok so he didnt know the woman who had the baby??

I think Jin didn't make it off of the island...his tomb stone had the date of the Oceanic flight crash.

talk about karma... bernard thinks jin is so great, but when he's explaining that 'you do bad things, bad things happen', i instantly thought of jin killing jae lee...

did you notice right after that, the next scene showed the freighter, who's name is KARMA

You know when I saw Jin's phone get run over, I thought, "Wow, what a crappy phone." I should have known. They did the same thing in the season finale-flashforward with Jack's phone, which wouldn't have been available in 2004.

since we all know that every detail means something, why did the chick throw herself off the boat, what happened in the kitchen to cause frank to bring only lima beans, and who shot themselves in the stateroom?

why were des and sayid being guarded one minute and then freed the next?

I was just surprised that we are supposed to believe that Jin was born in 1980. That is what his tombstone said, no?

I am really pissed that Jin dies. THis episode sucked for me!!!

We still don't know who the 6 are for sure!!!!

Woulda been hella better if the Panda exploded in the ambassadors face :) Would have added the reluctant evil back to Jin and put everyone back in their place about what a "good guy" he is (remember, he used to beat men bloody for Suns daddy, and was super mean to Sun too...)

Jin can't be dead .The way Sun was "acting" has to mean she is covering up something .

I'm a lost newbie, but a friend pointed out to me that Jin's tombstome said Sept. 22,2004, wasn't that the day of the plane crash..? So he could be alive...right?
Thanks for doing this every week, I really enjoy it and it helps us newbie's catch up!

I like the episode and love Daniel's recaps. I know we've been shown that Michael is on the boat but I'm still not so sure he's Ben's guy on the boat..........

When hurley asked Sun if anyone else was coming (i assumed anyone else from the 06) she said 'no' and he said, 'good'.

i thought that was weird...

I'm a lost newbie, but a friend pointed out to me that Jin's tombstome said Sept. 22,2004, wasn't that the day of the plane crash..? So he could be alive...right?
Thanks for doing this every week, I really enjoy it and it helps us newbie's catch up!

QUOTE: 9:10 -- Kate is trying to explain what went on with Faraday and Charlotte. I hate when people on this show explain things to other people on the show. Can't we just skip all that?

---One thing I WILL say is that if they DIDN'T show Kate telling Sun this, and then Sun just knew it, we would all be saying "How did she know that, she wasn't there", etc .. so seeing that it was a tiny sentence or two, it didn't bother me.

I thought this episode was better than a "D" ... ANYTHING is better than last week's boring episode. (It's really sad when I get more excited about the next week's previews over the entire episode, which happened last week). Michael being there was no surprise (but I WOULD like to know why he's saying he's someone different ... is HE the last of the "Oceanic 6"? Last week they said that we'll "find out the last of" them.

I can't see Jin staying on the island and letting his pregnant wife leave, especially after he just forgave her for cheating on him. The date on the grave says the date of the crash .. which means something happens and they're covering it up. Why, I'm not sure.

I thought Jin was alive and that he got of the island some other way. Or he is living in a diffrent year and needs to find his constant, I think he's still alive.

did you notice right after that, the next scene showed the freighter, who's name is KARMA

The freighter's name is KAHANA not Karma.

Jin apparently does not make it off the island - what remains to be seen is whether he actually dies or whether he is simply left behind and part of the cover up the Oceanic 6 are involved in. When I noted that the date of Jin's death on the headstone read 9/22/04, I began wondering if he was actually going to die at some point and then simply become one of those who did not survive according to Jack's courtroom testimony - obviously that seems to the 'date of death' for those who 'did not survive'. I love this show, but I am with Daniel on this one. I was also amazed by Desmond's total lack of WTF when he heard the boat belonged to Charles Widmore. I would have expected a bit more of a reaction out of him.

the michael reveal was so dissappointing. I always gave the lost writers more credit than that. I really didn't think it was going to be michael. I completely agree with Daniel about with Jin/sun child birth scene. That was purposely done to fool the veiwer and I didn't appreciate it. I was actually angry at the end of that scene. But, the end was sad. I'll admit it; I cried. But all and all a pretty okay episode. Hopefully next week is better.

I'm a lost newbie, but a friend pointed out to me that Jin's tombstome said Sept. 22,2004, wasn't that the day of the plane crash..? So he could be alive...right?
Thanks for doing this every week, I really enjoy it and it helps us newbie's catch up!

I thought Jin was alive and that he got of the island some other way. Or he is living in a diffrent year and needs to find his constant, I think he's still alive.

This wasn't exactly the most mind blowing episode, but I think it was great for several reasons. 1) The characters actually communicated and there was more honesty and actual answers from all of them 2) Sun and Jin rock! To show how far they have come in their marriage and the true love they have for each other was nice 3) Juliet telling Jin was a jaw dropper moment and Sun slapping her was a cheer moment 4) We all knew Michael was on the boat, so at least we got that "reveal" out of the way and can move on 4)Sun and Hurley at the cemetary was so sad and well acted by Sun 5)Juliet is a very Ben-like character. We may see that they are both good people with good intentions they just both go aobut it in a very dark way

I thought Jin was alive and that he got of the island some other way. Or he is living in a diffrent year and needs to find his constant, I think he's still alive.

the michael reveal was so dissappointing. I always gave the lost writers more credit than that. I really didn't think it was going to be michael. I completely agree with Daniel about with Jin/sun child birth scene. That was purposely done to fool the veiwer and I didn't appreciate it. I was actually angry at the end of that scene. But, the end was sad. I'll admit it; I cried. But all and all a pretty okay episode. Hopefully next week is better.

I thought Jin was alive and that he got of the island some other way. Or he is living in a diffrent year and needs to find his constant, I think he's still alive.

Okay, I understand the dislike for this episode because I had the same feelings, but something that hasn't been brought by anyone is the reveal of the timeline. We now know they, or at least Sun, gets off the island in the next 3-4 weeks because as Juliet said pregnant women die in their second trimester and that is in 3-4 weeks for Sun.

Jin has to be one of the two survivors who died on the island. He had to survive to impregnate Sun.

I think we are going to find out a lot more about the freighter, the blood stain, Regina's craziness and everything else next week in Michael's episode. All those weird things were just setting us up...

Sidenote: the captains a looker, huh ladies?

I thought Jin was alive and that he got of the island some other way. Or he is living in a diffrent year and needs to find his constant, I think he's still alive.

I actually really liked this episode. I am totally turning into a geek Lostee! I now watch with a pad and pencil. So this is what I picked up from last night.

Why the Panda? I think it is probably the symbol for the year 2004. Kind of like the year of the Dragon and so on.

The ship is named the Kahana. This is a Hawaiian name so may just be because Lost is filmed there and the boat was available. The ship is real and listed by the name Kahana USA ship built in 1981 in the World Shipping Register. However, the name means, "drawing the line", and "turning point" so could have some meaning.

The woman that jumped overboard seen holding a book upside down (to make it harder to identify the name?) was reading "The Survivors of the Chancellor: Diary of J. R. Kazallon, Passenger by Jules Vern. This is a classic adventure novel about a ship lost at sea. Could this of had anything to do with her jumping overboard? Something she read in the book maybe. Yeah, and don't ask how I got the name of the book. LOL Wasn't easy. Involved pausing and lying on the floor looking upside down at the tv.

Remember back, not sure of episode, that the Hanso Foundation and Paik Heavy Industries are connected. A conversation where Paik says that Hanso is upset that it is taking so long to get the "fake" permit. What was this fake permit for?

Last, Jin's tombstone had the date of his death as 9/22/04. The date the plane crashed. So I personally believe that Jin is still alive. At the gravesite Sun didn't say he was dead only that she wished he were there.

Lastly there is an article in the new TV Guide that gives a few things away.

Jin has to be one of the two survivors who died on the island. He had to survive to impregnate Sun.

The freighter is called KAHANA not Karma.

Loved it. Loved seeing Jin nake the full turn around to being a 'good guy', after all he had done working for Sun's dad. From insisting she walk behind him, to saying "I go where Sun go"... just beautiful.

Juliette - cold as ice. Painful when she told Jin Sun's secret! Harsh!!!

The whole end - Hurley, the grave, the name, just beautiful.

Why would Hurley say 'good' when he found out no one else was there? Did Jin really die, or is he on the island still with those who could not leave? Maybe everyone thinks they are dead but they are not? Why else would scary Abbadon say "Are they alive?" to Hurley in the mental hospital?

It wa snice to see that Sun has the baby and is safe. We are getting little answers and resolutions as we get closer to the end.... AND as we get more confusing tid bits to keep us holding on! Love this show!

ah ha! upon reading some other blogs.. i get it now!! well i dont think the ep. sucked... got me amazed as always!!

I thought Jin was alive and that he got of the island some other way. Or he is living in a diffrent year and needs to find his constant, I think he's still alive.

I usually agree with Daniel on his Episode grading system, but I actually liked this episode some, and give it a sturdy B minus, which ryhmes with Linus!

I thought I figured out that Jin was in a flashback when I saw his cell phone. Man, that thing was huge! Plus, the clerk at the toy store (was that the dude from Eli Stone too?) said it was "The Year of the Dragon" which was 2000, so I knew it was the past. I just didn't know why it was the past, and I'm not sure what the point of that was, other than to play with the viewers emotions.

Is Jin dead? Well, of course his grave seems to be merely a marker. I think that Jin has to have died on the island or in the process of getting off, otherwise Sun and Hurley (Cut that hair man) wouldn't be visiting the grave. That makes no sense to me, unless he's really dead.

I thought one of the more redeming parts of the show was the conversation with the captain about the mock-crash, black box, Ben thing. I'm very interested in how this plays out. Was he saying that Ben staged the crash, or was he saying something else?

Finally, I feel a little relieved that it was Michael on the boat. Granted, it wasn't revealed that he was the spy yet, but I still got validation because now maybe all the talk about Ben being his own man on the boat can stop! Or Locke, or Charlie, or any of the other impossible things.

So much more, but that's all for now.

Here is the big question for me right now....who is the good guy, Ben or Widmore? Who is forcing the Oceanic 6 to lie about how many people were rescued and why? I think it is Widmore, because he had the boat and the helicopter, but I still think Ben has other "ways" to get off the island.

Is Regina the R.G. from the inscription on Naomi's braclet? Maybe Naomi's death was too much for her.

Right when Sayid picks up the note he says something about “being in Locke’s camp 3 days earlier, and that Ben went to the boat and”…did something. What exactly did he say? Did I mis-hear? Did anybody catch this, and what does he mean?!

Perhaps the FB Ambassador that Jin gave the Panda to will show up in the future… related to Dharma?

Not a bad episode. I liked that the Captain gave straight answers (without them cutting away to commercial right before he says Charles Widmore!)

it was a boring show this week. One positive, it's confirmed Michael is the man on the boat, which most of us guessed, however, yet many of us debated if it was Sayid. Also answered the question about the other plan and the victims.

"Jin has to be one of the two survivors who died on the island. He had to survive to impregnate Sun."

He can't be one of the 8 who survived initially but died before rescue if his tombstone has the date of the crash as the day he died!

I'm curious not just to know where the 300+ bodies come from for the staged crash, but how it works since in real iife identities are confirmed by dental records and such, and they won't have anything like.
and yes...I know this is not real life.

People pleeeeease ... it must be Michael. It is the only thing that makes logical sense. Why would you say you think the lost writers would have done better? Yes they are unpredictable but they are not stupid. Things have to flow AND make sense.

I was aghast to hear people thinking it was Charlie or Boone on the boat. Then there were the other theories about it being Mr. Eko, Locke and/or Ben. PLEASE!!

It has to make sense ...

Halfway through this episode I realized NOTHING was happening. To be honest, I was getting bored. I usually really love Jin and Sun episodes so this was a big let down. And Hurley went all the way to Korea (in a suit) to visit Jin's grave with Sun? I thought it was gonna be some sort of particular memorial or event.....but nope. Just all dressed up to visit a grave (that is probably empty) The date of 9/22/04 on the tombstone....so obviously the story is Jin died in the crash or shortly there after ( one of the 8 from Jacks story at Kates trial?) All in all, I thought this episode was pointless. Michael showing up didnt surprise me at all. It was sooooo predictable. Come on LOST! Next week better be good.....

at least we know now that Frank is right that his buddy wasn't flying the plane (the wedding ring issue) and it was staged...

ben's got a lot of bodies on his conscience... wouldn't want to be him on judgment day.

just a guess....Jin dies soon. The actor who played him got that DUI in Hawaii. That's what happened to the other two actors.

my guess is that Jin dies off the island (maybe on the boat) and that is why he has a grave. He would be one of the 8 who survived the crash, but not one of the 6 rescued.

Ok, I enjoyed this episode...especially after last weeks dud. Even though it was predictable for me....I knew that Juliet was going to get slapped....I also kept telling my husband that Jin is either dreaming or it's a flasback. Here were my clues: He was clearly wearing a wig to make his hair look shorter, and even in a style that is not current, and the phone that got run over, was totally an older phone...the thing was huge!

He may be one of the Oceanic 6, because why would Sun visit a grave in which he was not burried? But maybe they bring his body back, give him the date of the crash as his DOD, and it is part of the Oceanic 6 cover up. So there still may be a 6th survivor.

OH! Wait! What if the eight survivor's of the crash are Jin, Sun, Kate, Hurley, Jack, Sayid, Michael & Walt, and then it's Jin and Walt who don't make it? Something to ponder.

Lastly, I think the captain looks a lot like the guy who Charles Widmore ruffed up last week on that video that Ben showed Locke.

LOVE reading all your posts. =^)

Jin was born in 1974 according to his tombstone.

I just start watching Lost. I have all 3 seasons on DVD and watched them all in one weekend. I am truly addicted to this show. But it pisses me off everytime I watch. I get more and more confused every episode and I continue to watch to see if the next episode will explain and clear everything up!!!! I AM SO CONFUSED!!!

Just off the top of my head, reasons the episode didn't suck

1. Sun and Juliet's confrontation.

2. Sun and Jin full reconciliation, no secrets and both have "repented" - an island theme

3. Jin's fate is masked by a tombstone with a fake death date

4. Oceanic 6 is completely revealed

5. Michael re-introduced, now we can get on with his story and what's been going on

6. Play on the word "Karma" - kind of fits with the repent or punish theme of the Island (Mr. Echo, for example)

7. Captain of Karma has been introduced - and all we know is not to trust him. Does this mean he's lying about Ben being the person who staged the crash wreckage? Or - is he covering for his boss who really staged the wreckage? Remember - Sayid has been admonished by future-Ben for "thinking with his heart" and something happens that makes him come work for Ben, so something big is coming up somewhere and it may involve the captain since we've been warned.

8. Future timeline better identified: Sun has baby and Kate has trial before Hurley or Jack flip out, Hurly then flips out first and last Jack does his Grizzly Adams look-alike almost suicide attempt flip out. Not sure where Sayids future comes in on this timeline.

We now have the stucture of the Oceanic 6 and can begin to find out why they start going nuts and whose left on the island and why they need saving. All and all I'd say it's a good "moving forward at full steam" episode. I think everyone else is still let down from the near-perfect Des/Penny epi and want them all to be that good :) :)

1. dont hate JULIET!! That was the ONLY was she could kep Sun from walking away from camp and therefore DYING. She saved her life.

2. I think Sun crying at the grave was real tears because i doubt that she knows that he may still be alive (with all the rest) that are still stuck on the island that Jack is trying desparately to get back to. Hurley probably knows but not Sun apparently. Unless she knows that he is still there and can never get back to her so he may as well be dead. JMO.

You beat me ME Too! - Yes, Jin DOB was 1974. The date on the other side said 1980. I took that to maybe be Sun's birth year, as perhaps it's a tombstone for the both of them. When she dies, she'll be buried there too.

Of course, I don't know anything about Korean headstones, so this date could be something else.

Some thoughts:

What if Regina wasn’t killing herself but lowering herself down to the Looking Glass Dharma station, underwater??? Is that possible, or are they far too offshore for that?

I think Sun actually did think Jin would be at the hospital, and for that to be possible, he has to be alive. I really think he’s not dead, just part of the cover-up. Possibly he is in hiding from his father-in-law Mr. Paik, who perhaps helped finance the search (and coverup) with Widmore.

Also, you don’t need 324 dead people to fake a crash, just a fake recovery team and some crafty footage.

Did the captain remind anyone else of the guy from “Amazing Race”? I kept thinking he would say, “Desond and Sayid… you are… the winners of… Amazing Race!”

Anyway, any episode of Lost that doesn’t have Bai Ling in it automatically gets 4 stars from me.

Does this mean that the person in the coffin is or isn't Jin? I am definitely disamppointed in this one. I do think that Jin is dead. Main reason is he would have never left Sun. He even said that.

I sat here this morning for a minute trying to remember the Lost episode.
For a brief moment I thought oh no that isn't until Tonight. Wrong.
I agree that this episode was a bust. When you can't remember what happened
and then realize that you are no further ahead than last week...

I did think that Yunjin Kim should be considered for an Emmy for her performance. Remember that she also has to act in two languages .

Thanks for the blog. I can't wait to read it every Friday morning.

Hugh
Ontario , Canada

I just want to say that I enjoy reading all of your comments and appreciate all the insights. Going through these definitely has softened my view on this episode now do not feel it was as awful as I had initially thought. This show is still the best television has to offer. By the way, Me Too, thanks for your obsession!!! I think we all garnered some great info from the nuances you discovered in this episode. Kudos!!

Did anyone notice how quickly Sun lost her accent when speaking English. All of a sudden Sun is speaking English with a full blown American accent. crazy. It's the little details that count with me that keep the show believable.

They shouldn't have buried Jin...they should've buried last night's episode instead!

Sun could have gotten pregnant, say, the night before the crash. You can fake a few weeks of being pregnant by saying it was delivered early. If Jin died a few days after the crash, his death date would have reflected that. Its a cover up. He's still on the island probably working for Ben, so that Ben made sure Sun got off the island. Obviously "what man wouldnt do anything for his son" also applies to "What man wouldnt do anything for his wife and child"

goodfeke Sorry to disagree but Sun does know he's still alive since the date of his date is the date of the plane crash. She knows he didn't die in the crash. But, how to explain baby when she got PG on the island and Jin is supposed to be dead?

I have a question about the flash forwards (i haven't read everyone's comments yet, so i apologize if this is a repeat).

Are all of the flash forwards supposed to be the same time? I only ask because it doesn't make sense if they are. Aaron looks to be about 2-3 years old. But Sun just had her baby. Last night, she told Faraday that she was only 2 months pregnant.

Any ideas?

Jen, Jin didnt say he would never leave Sun. He said he would do WHATEVER he had to do to make sure her and the baby were safe. He very likely would have stayed behind if it meant his wife and child would live....

Jen, Jin didnt say he would never leave Sun. He said he would do WHATEVER he had to do to make sure her and the baby were safe. He very likely would have stayed behind if it meant his wife and child would live....

I'm 50/50 on this episode. I love the freighter scenes and was hoping after every commercial break they would go back there. Even though I knew Michael would be on this show, I was totally excited to see when they revealed him, and even thought I don't like this character, having him back will be great to the storyline.

I was totally fooled on the Jin FlashBACK. I missed the 'year of the dragon' clue that would reference the flashback.

Not sure if anyone brought this up yet, but if Michael is working with Ben who we assume is 'bad' and he tells Desmond/Sayid that the Captain is 'bad' who do we believe?!?! I'm on the Captain's side.

Gina, no the flashfowards are all over the place. Some are one year from now, some are three years from now. We don't have enough info to really put the timeline together, but we're getting closer every week.

WEAK.

My only hope with this one is that it somehow set up future episodes.
Can't say I was even remotely surprised to see Michael on the boat.

My only thoughts are that Jin is not dead, he is just on the island still with everyone else. This would make it even harder for Sun knowing that she is away from Jin and having to pretend that he is dead because of the whole "Only 6 of us survived" deal they have.

how the heck does someone get 324 dead bodies to put in the fake plane? the first thing i thought of was maybe Ben (if he's the one who set it up in the first place) used the Dharma people killed in the purge, but that was years ago and i'm pretty sure there wasn't that many of them to begin with. i'd like to have an episode where more questions are answered than new ones asked.

Brian, the people killed in the purge were in the pit that Ben pushed Locke into in the season finale last year. Remember when Locke was shot he was laying amount skeletons? Those were the ones killed in the purge

This is the point in every Lost season where I get frustrated and give up, stop watching, then get sucked back in in time for the season finale. These plodding, filler episodes don't do anything to move the story. Lost is becoming The Best Story That Could Have Been Told In Two Hours.

The captain's plain-spoken explanation of the faux plane crash was refreshing. We need more of that.

I think Regina (the girl who had the heavy chains on her that went off the boat) was trying to sink herself to the bottom as there is probably one of those underground things that Charlie & Desmond were in earlier. That's why the Captain and the crew members didn't think much of her going overboard.

I can't say I LOVED the episode, and I do agree that the "big reveals" we've gotten so far this season are all pretty much the worst kept secrets in Lost history. I knew it was Michael on the boat (no spoilers, just an educated guess) but I was curious to see how they were going to introduce him.

I didn't 100% hate the episode though...there were tiny moments between characters that made it watchable and interesting for me. For example, the whole scene when Juliet "outed" Sun's affair was heart wrenching and infuriating. And when Jin showed up in Sun's tent with dinner....wow. Beautiful. I also liked the whole scene between Desmond, Sayid, and Michael...it was so tense and surprising watching them introduce themselves.

So Daniel, I can't give you a good reason why this episode wasn't completely terrible, but I will say this...Lost is like pizza, even when it's bad, its still pretty good. :-)

Hope you all had a great week! TGIF!

"Jin dies soon. The actor who played him got that DUI in Hawaii. That's what happened to the other two actors."

Anna Lucia & Eko both only had ONE YEAR CONTRACTS. They were never meant to be on Lost any longer. Their DUI's had NOTHING to do with them dying on the show.

Do we really know who the O6 are now? Jack, Kate, Sun, Hurley, Sayid are the ones we can be sure of. Everyone has been saying Aaron doesn't count since he wasn't on the manifest, which I agree with. I don't think Michael counts as one of the O6 because (a) He's presenting himself as Kevin Johnson now and (b) no way will he go back to civilization without his son. They did not show Michael in a flashforward as they did every other one of the O6. The only other person who has been shown in a flash forward is CHARLIE, whose body apparently has never been recovered. Sure, he told Hurley he was dead, but then again, Hurley was in a mental hospital at the time so who knows . . .

Where is the helicopter? Picking up the Oceanic 6? I hope so.

I wonder if the Lost cast has realized DUI = killed off show.
I hated last night's episode, but there were some redeeming qualities (it was a Jin/Sun episode, Juliet got bitchslapped, and we find out Ben is believed to have staged the salvage/death of the 324 passengers).
I wonder if we'll find out what was on the black box and really why does Charles Widmore care about finding it? He doesn't seem like the kind of guy that would care all that much. So why does he hate Ben? and who are we supposed to be rooting for?
And why wasn't Desmond surprised it was a Widmore boat after all - just the wrong Widmore's?

goodfeke. Sorry, after reading more posts about how Jin could have gotten PG before the crash you have a point. But still sticking with Sun knowing Jin is alive since he did survive crash and tombstone has his death as date of the crash.

I originally thought that juliet lied to sun that she conceived the baby on the island. I always believed the baby to be jae lee's (guess I just have never trusted juliet)... I figured she was going to play both sides, telling sun that the baby was jin's, and telling ben that she had succeeded in 'fixing' the pregnant women with sun's pregnancy going full term (because it was conceived off the island)... but I guess I was wrong if the baby looks just like jin?

I swear, Juliet is still not to be trusted, no matter what. Why did she tell Jack that the station was a radio station and come to find out it was poison gas station? Why is she always telling half-truths unless she's guilty of something and trying to still cover it up (Sun's pregnancy truth? Still a double agent for Ben?)

The name of the boat is not Karma - it is Kahana. We though it was Karma too but then freeze-framed it.

I am with you, Daniel. The whole Jin flashback felt so contrived and dishonest. I noticed his phone, too, but didn't make the connection until later.

My first thought, because I give the writers a lot of credit for repeatedly blowing my mind, was that this was not a combo flashback-forward, but somehow Jin's story was still a flashforward, like there are parallel timelines running here. However, with all of the clues that I missed that he was definitely in 2000, never mind.

I have to say that Daniel Dae Kim is the hottest guy on the show. I love Jin! I cried when I thought he had died (in the finale last season) and I cried last night. I hold onto hope that he is not really dead.

i haven't had the time to read all the rest of the comments so i dont know if its been brought up, but what if Jin is actually still alive and Sun believes him to be dead. just an idea

When Regina jumped off the ship with chains on, my first thought was that she had weighted herself down to get to some underwater place more quickly...kinda like where Charlie went? I guess they're too far from the island for that to make sense, but when no one else reacted at all, I thought maybe she wasn't committing suicide?? I dunno - just a thought.

Jin has to be one of the 8 original survivors -- how else do they explain Sun's pregnancy? Jin and Claire survive the crash but do not get off the island alive. I think they both died getting off the island (no Constant for them when they zip "back" to civilization??) so that's why Sun can go to a grave (their bodies survived) and why Claire "gave up" her baby (something she would never have done normally). Jack probably picked the wrong route back or screwed the route up so that's why he feels responsible and therefore can't see Aaron -- or go to Korea to see Sun and her baby with Hugo. I loved parts of the episode (Sun/Jin/Juliet) and cried a little when I realized Jin was dead - but the whole Michael reveal was a total disappointing waste. I was CONVINCED it would be someone FABULOUS (like an older Walt or maybe even LOCKE!!). Hope the next show is better!!

also, there's a recurring theme... good v bad. First it was Losties v Others, and Ben said that he wasn't the one killing people (shifting to look like the Losties were the bad ones), now its the Freighter People (Whidmore) v. Ben and again, Ben presents this dossiere to Locke about Whidmore trying to exploit the island.

The captain was so forthcoming about information, it makes me uneasy! Furthermore, he never played the tape from the black box, and I'd like to hear how Ben constructed the audio for a plane crash (which is available on a plane's black box)... since he didn't playback the recorder, is it really the black box? Is the note real that the captain is not to be trusted? Or is it Ben?

Jury is still out... something tells me to stick with Ben.

Maybe Sun is crying because she misses Jin and know they have to stay apart because of whatever happens on the island? She and Hurley are visiting the grave to show they are playing along.

From lostpedia:
The relationship was shaken up even more by the fact that the two were unable to have a child. A doctor told them it was because of Sun, but later spoke to Sun on the street and told her Jin was infertile. Sun hid this fact from Jin.

i'm confused about something...when jin was leaving the hospital did he tell the attendant that he was leaving cuz it wasnt his baby, that his wife was only 2 months pregnant?? or did i just imagine that last part?

If Jis was 1 of the 8 initial survivors but not part of the "Oceanic 6," wouldn't his date of death b AFTER 09/22/2004? Sun finds out she conceived 8 weeks ago (when Juliet took her 2 the station 4 the ultrasound), making her conception date sometime in late September/early October. Jin's date of death would have 2 b AFTER Sun conceives, so does his 09/22/2004 date of death rule him out as part of the initial Oceanic survivors (the 8)?

I was a bit confused, they got me with the the flashforward/back. I think Kate couldn't go see Sun's baby cause she's a convict and can't leave the state. Jack is probably feeling guilty which we knows will weigh heavy on him later on. She's two months pregnant now on the island so we know it's been about seven months since they've been off the island when Sun gives birth.

Not one of the better episodes. Sayid and Desmond got a note saying to not trust the captain. So why believe his story about the plane wreckage and all the dead passengers being found? Maybe Whitmore owns Oceanic airlines and is involved in that story (as a cover-up) in some way.

Jin's dead. Why would they go to the grave? To fool whom? And her tears are real. Who would she be trying to fool? Hurley or the baby?
I want to know who was in the coffin back in the states. Who would die, and have no visitors...except for Jack. And he didn't really care that much. Michael? You know Locke isn't leaving the island.