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i felt the same way you did when i saw that only half of the Oceanic 6 were on the freighter and the other half were at/on their way to the Orchid. i wonder how that plays out.

but this was a really good episode... better than last weeks. i went back and rewatched, and it still did nothing for me. that being said, i like flashforwards now. i like knowing was happened pre-island and seeing what is going to happen post-island. its like putting a puzzle together as island events unfold.

the flash forwards dont make the island stuff irrelevant, IMO. Especially when the events on the island at this time dont MATCH the ending that we have already sen (ie the O6 are not all in the same place right now...how do they get back together...).

I am loving the humor injected into this show. Love it!!!

might the island have put claire's mom in a coma so claire felt freer to leave australia? it was a car accident, wasn't it?

love this recaps... just awesome

Has anyone noticed that there isn't a whoosh sound anymore when they go between the flash forwards and island time? Or am I just so involved in watching that I don't notice them anymore?

WOW, heart stopping episode! They have to let us in on how Whidmore knows so much for not presumably ever being on the island! I cheered when the first set of survivors arrived on the boat but my jaw dropped when all these explosives appeared in the room! One thing I did note seems like time moves faster at night-when the chopper left the boat int he last ep. it got to the island lickety split. But It seemed to take Sayid a while to reach the island during the day. I can't wait to see how they are going to "move" the island. And Sun's short encounter with her father was PRICELESS!

10:56 -- "How many times do I have to tell you John? I always have a plan." -- Ben

Hee hee. Indeed. With that line and the not being "entirely truthful" line, I was letting out a loud guffaw. Ben and John scenes are so fun!

And I too get super duper excited when I see Richard. In fact, I called his name out loud when I saw him. Love that eyeliner guy! But I don't think he's a small character . . .

And Farraday is definitely growing on me more and more. Please keep him around!

I am liking the flash forwards more and more, but I still think some of the flashbacks were better.

obviously someone on the island needs to read fardays journal. he knows alot about the island - maybe he was on it in another time and location.

Did anyone catch the Old Navy commercial during one of the breaks? They mentioned a "Orchid Night Dress" yet this product is no where on their website. Coincidence? Maybe...or maybe not!

Another fantastic episode!

My poor Jack! :)

more later!

Thanks for the recap Daniel...what's been going on with the site lately?

I really liked this ep and how they are building up for the finale but for some reason I don't think Desmond and Jin make it out alive...

sad feeling considering those are two of my favorite characters! :(

i do see the person in the screengrab! who is that!! he's got some long legs...maybe its abaddon?

Yikes. I see the shape of a person too, but I think it may just be an illusion.

After the lady left the Oceanic 6 Jack talked pretty freely to the others about their "story". So I don't think anyone was actually there.

I loved this episode and can't wait to see what happens in part 2 of the finale!

Lawnmower man is handcuffed to the HELICOPTER! :O) ...not the boat Daniel.

It felt like the O6 were getting moved around a chess board last night. I kept thinking, Okay, Hurley is still with Ben, Sun is now on the freighter with Aaron, there goes Sayid into the jungle. They are all so split apart, it's hard to see how they reunite them all to get off the island together.

I have absolutely loved all the episodes this season. I was so wired after last nights show.

There is definately someone sitting in the forward part of the aircraft. She Oceanic rep actually said hi to the person. I think it's the coast guard person who opened the back of the plane so they could all get out.

Can I just say that Aaron is the cutest, best little baby. Anyone else feel bad for Kate and Sayid...they had no one there to greet them. And then wasn't it great Nadia showed up.

I didn't believe for one minute that Juliet did not now where the Orchid was.

teresalynn - I agree. I totally looked at my boyfriend and was like "Juliet's lying." She answered just a bit too quickly in my opinion. Even though I like her character she is a liar.

about the screen grab: OMG...it looks like Ben's profile! How on earth did you see that?

Great episode and great commentary today Daniel. I am a little disappointed in the writers though, I hope someone can help me out here. Kate passing off Aaron as a 5 week old baby (isn't that what she said in the group interview) does not fly with me. The baby is obviously a few months old, and there is a big difference in abilities between a baby that is a 5 weeks old and a baby that is a few months old! The survivors would certainly have medical examinations upon return to the mainland and a doctor would easily see that Aaron is older than 5 weeks. Also, while Sawyer is carrying Aaron around on the island and then Kate takes him and now Sun has him, how is Aaron getting nutrition. A baby that is not yet on foods need breastmilk and would be crying and dehydrated after a whole day in the sun without breastmilk. So how is Aaron surviving? Also, Kate would have to say she was nursing him these past few weeks, and a physical would easily prove that to be untrue. Ok, so there's my thoughts about the "looseness" of storyline involving Aaron.
My second upset is this: Why would they be having Christian Shepard's wake so many months after his death? Jack was going to Australia to get his Dad's body, so everyone back home would have heard that he had died and memorial arrangements were likely being made. Then Jack's plane goes down and he is assumed dead. When this sort of thing happens, there likely would have been a memorial service for Jack, who is declared dead. There also should have still been a service for Christian. So to believe that Christian's wake wasn't until after Jack is found alive after a few months of being presumed dead, is a stretch by the writers. Do you see what I am saying???
I guess these two things are really getting to me because the writers have been so great at keeping the story "tight" and plausible, and these two examples don't fit. I don't want, as things get closer to the end of the series, to begin to see us have to try to make up ways for things to make sense or fit together because of sloppy writing. Anyway, if someone could help clear this up, or if I am missing or forgetting something, I would really appreciate your input. Thanks.

I love this blog. Look forward to it every week. Can't wait to get the "if anything goes wrong Desmond hume is my constant" t made. Thanks Richard!

So. I am going to a lost finale party. Am going to dress up as penny. Any good ideas how to make that distinguishing?

girl239 i agree that your first theory is weird but about jack and christian's wakes...i think they probably had a memorial service for them but after he was found alive and well they held another one so jack could be there and speak and stuff. i still think its a little strange but its still plausible. thats just my opinion though.

Okay. Definitely a person sitting on the plane. And since he's in the middle of the screen...I think we're supposed to notice him.

Don't you think the other peson Sun blames is herself?

LOL about the orchid dress, Dave...

such a great buildup to the finale--it seems like they realized this season as opposed to last that they have to tie up some loose ends in order not to confuse/bore/frustrate us. and any other show this elaborate probably would've had me rolling my eyes and saying 'forget it' but damn if it doesn't get more addicting the denser it goes...brilliant writing.

i usually call my mom during commericals and we were saying that it was somehow important for the island to have The Three to move it and as a joke i said 'ben, locke and hurley are like in the wizard of oz...one is the brain (ben) one is the courage (locke) and one is the heart (hurley)'--and after a laugh we were OMGing...the wizard? (Jacob?) the wicked witch (Widmore?) Dorothy and Toto (Claire and Aaron?) kind of a joke but maybe not?

Damn i effin love this show!!!!!

Yes, Jaclyn...I just knew that Ben had a plan....he is always in control, even when it appears he is not. Somehow when Ben lies it is for the greater good. When Juliet lies, it seems like she is just a bad liar....

So when is Miles going to come forward and tell them that Claire is dead????

When Sawyer took off with Jack and said "hold on you don't get to die alone" did anyone else think that was super uber forshadowing of Sawyer being killed? I don't know, I hate to say it, I'll be heartbroken if it happens, but I just got chills when he said it.

I loooove Hurley's mom's quote "Jesus Christ is not a weapon" LOL!

Great episode, all around.

Schatzi, You could almost hear them saying "lions and tigers and bears oh my" as they trasped through the jungle...LOL. Good analogy.

SPOILER ALERT - IF MY THEORY IS CORRECT

In the scenes for next week Kate and Sawyer are on the chopper and Lawnmower man says they're running out of fuel. They show Sawyer looking at Kate (I think they kiss) then...I'm guessing Sawyer jumps out and swims back to the island so the others can make it. You saw his look when they ran into each other in the jungle. He wouldn't leave her unless he had to.

Hey I know that I am new around here as far as posting goes... but I have been watching Lost all along and reading lostdiary for quite a while... anyway:

I was just wondering if anyone thought about the other two who didn't make if from the island in the oceanic story.... does anyone remember some not so important and strange characters... NIKKI AND PAULO... I think those were their names...

Perhaps could it be them... I don't know that was just the first thing I that came to mind when Daniel asked. Just a thought! What do you guys think?!

Great episode.. all I wanted was another scene after when keamy smacked ben. I don't like this 2 week shit. Flash forwards are better now. I wonder who the other person sun blames. Her character post island is bad ass. Ben always has a plan.. he's still in control. Splitting up the O6 was a great tease..

Does anyone think the helicopter has something to do with who makes it off now? Sun and Aaron are the only 2 that make it off now that aren't going to end up near the helicopter. So maybe no one can make it back to the boat in time or find it once the island moves other than those on the helicopter? Then they can only fit Sun and Aaron since the boat is going to blow up?

It has to be Ben in the screengrab. He is the only other one they showed off the island in the future. Hmmm....why would the coastguard need to keep Ben's being alive a secret?? This should be good....

How would they explain who Ben is if they're calling them the "Oceanic 6"? Maybe that's why him being there is a secret.

The scene where they showed the C-4 was CRAZY!Remember when they reintroduced Michael and showed him in the same room with the briefcase that had the trigger and he flipped the switch and it told him not yet? I wonder how and where all those explosives came from and why no one seemingly knew it was there? Did you see Michael's face?! HOLY CRAP!

Help! Can someone point out where in the screen grab they are seeing this person. I've looked twice and I'm still not seeing it.

Dana...the person is on the right side towards the front of the plane, sitting on a seat.

I don't think the person on the plane is Ben. When Sayid runs into him in the future at Nadia's funeral he asks Ben how he got off the island. That would make no sense if it was Ben on the plane, obviously Sayid would know if he was sitting just a few feet away from him.

The screencap absolutely shows a man seated in the shadows of the plane! Awesome. It's also completely feasible that this man could not be seen by everybody (Jacob?) hence the free conversation about "the plan". But more likely, this is someone involved very high up in cover up for Oceanic (Whidmore? Abbadon?) The Losties were throwing some VERY nervous glances in the direction of the shadow, but thanks to editing could have come off as glances to the other Losties. Oceanic knows that the story is fake, and a cover-up, so they would have to have someone in power to enforce the lies that the Losties must tell. My bet is that Charles Whidmore is sitting on that plane with them.

GIRL239...

I was thinking the same thing about the baby and the funeral... but after I thought about it... I came up with my own conclusions that helped explain it for me...

It is obvious Oceanic made up the story about how they were found and they could be helping to cover up any inconsistencies with Aaron and Kate... basically they are "covering their @$$"... so that could explain why no one caught that... plus babies on TV always appear older than they are supposed to be... Aaron has always looked not the right age... it is just because they need older children to ensure they are quiet and they cooperate... so that would make sense...

But as for the funeral... how do you know they didn't already have one... they could have already had one for both Jack and Christian and maybe Jack wanted to have another one for his sanity and peace of mind... not to mention he didn't get to speak at the one they assumingly had for his father and it is only fair that he would... do they not have multiple funerals for soldiers... my grandmother had two when she died... at completely different places in the country so that different friends and family could attend...

It is something in me that usually makes me extra critical... but I am trying not to be in this case... because as long as most of this crazy story comes together in some sort of sense then you can call me a happy camper... being so critical only ruins everything... it is not like they just told us that everything that just happened was a dream or that the others and specifically Ben was a figment of some character's imagination!! Oh wait they already have the semi-imaginary character position filled by Jacob... there just isn't enough room on the island for more imaginary characters... so be happy they didn't just give us some earth-shaking crazy shock that our brains can't seem to fit in the plot... cause you never know with them they could do it... anytime they want

I believe the person in the plane is another military serviceman. Watching the scene in real time you can see some detail on his outfit. It looks like a military jumpsuit with patches on the arm, and it looks like he has headphones on (similar to the ones she was wearing before heading to the back of the plane).

I keep thinking that Charles Widmore is perhaps from the past....maybe he was the captain of the Black Rock and was somehow separated from the island/ship and is trying to find his way back. Maybe the island gave him the ability to live relatively ageless for a long period of time a la Richard. And if Ben can time travel, how do we know he hasn't gone back to when the Black Rock came ashore and knows Widmore from that era? Ben is trying to save the island from exploitation. Although his methods are questionable, his effort and reasoning are noble. Remember early one when he described himself as "one of the good guys." Plus he's been through all of this before, maybe like 'Groundhog Day' and knows how things will play out, thus his comment, "He changed the rules," when Alex was killed. Previously when that scene was played out, his bluff worked and Keamy spared her, but not the last time. That was the catalyst for things to get extreme on the island and the need to seek Jacob's counsel. And the only way to save the island is to move it. Perhaps that's why some of the survivors weren't rescued...because they couldn't be found. And that's why Jack is almost insane from his map plottings...trying to find the island again in order to return and set the events in motion as they should be.

I'm not going to re-read any of this as I don't know if any of it makes sense. What do y'all think?

Daniel, re your comment about flashforwards rendering the on-island scenes useless.

Think of it as reading a book and then peeking at the last chapter. You know about the characters, and you know how it ends, but you've totally missed the chapters in the middle, and those are usually the best parts of a book.

So to me, the flashforwards are great, and add intrigue. Like your comment about Sun being separated from the other O6's. We know they'll find each other, but figuring out how that's going to work out is what it's all about.

Ben/Locke/Hurley scenes are always a treat.

Where can I see this screen shot of the mysterious man everyone is talking about?

Lyndsey: Thanks for your thoughts. I just love the show and want all of the pieces of the puzzle, as they are revealed, to fit neatly. I can't wait to find out how the 6, who are currently all split up, end up posing as the only survivors! Those final two hours this season will seem like one hour, since these one hour episodes go by so fast! Last night, my 13 year old son and I were so tired around 9pm, so we kept flipping through the channels trying to find something interesting to keep us awake until 10pm. My son is great at remembering stuff from the past episodes, thank goodness. I'm' going to be so sad after next week. Nothing else to look forward to for a while!

definitely didn't see anyone else on the plane the first time around..good get. I agree, the only weird writing in lost is aaron and how he is eating and getting nutrition. also its too obvious about 5 weeks vs a few months. that must have been done intentionally. nice party theme for hugo.. lmao

Who owns Oceanic Airlines?

I wonder if Whidmore has a controlling interest in Oceanic Airlines? Because I'm sure they wouldn't go along with a lie if that weren't the case.

Zelda: The "changing the rules" comment fits nicely with your ideas. And Jack remapping the island also goes well with the island being moved. Something very significant is going to happen that makes the final 6 not reveal that anyone else is left alive on the island. They must know that if rescue parties were to go look for the remaining survivors, something terrible would happen. I don't know what, but I can't wait to find out!

Shann- the link to the screen shot is at the end of Daniel's recap

I think that when the series ends, the explaination will be so mindblowing that it will lead us to go back and rewatch from the very first episode. Do you know what I mean? I'm trying to think of something similar, a movie or something, where at the end you are left rethinking about the scenes because of what the end revealed. I was writing something else, but just thought of a movie like that, The Sixth Sense with Bruce Willis. When the end was revealed, remember how he flashes back in his mind all of the prior scenes and sees the truth. I think (and hope) that the end of Lost will be like that - where we need to go back and rewatch the series to see all of the things that we would then realize were clues to the puzzle.

Regarding stranger on the plane...although it would be far cooler if it was Abaddon or other spooky person, I think it's probably a load master or flight engineer...these guys are standard on military flights and wouldn't be out of place on a transport like this.

Good question about Oceanic ownership. Did we ever really find out who put the other Oceanic ship and bodies at the bottom of the ocean? I know Ben and Widmore have both said it is the other one, but I also read someone post that maybe it is the real Oceanic with those passengers but from another time loop (or something like that).

did any one notice at the wake how the 0-6 looked like they were agreeing with jack's comments nodding their heads and smiling.like they were remembering the same thing and reminiscing?

Zelda.... your "changing the rules" comment and idea about all of this happening before, also plays nicely into the scene where we first meet Faraday. He is crying while watching footage about the 815 crash, and when asked why, he simply responds "I don't know." It seems he has strong ties to the island but doesn't know why (or can't remember)... perhaps they HAVE all done this before.

Could they not get better tranport from Hawaii to U.S. Why is a military cargo plane bringing them? Also I think there is more to the "bad mojo" comment made by the pilots. Why the "story" they intend to tell and who made it up. Whidmore, Darma, the govenment, wow I am really thinking now. There are always more questions.
Great episode, I cried twice. I can not believe we have to wait 2 weeks until the season finale.

One of my favorite movies is 'Somewhere In Time' in which Chris Reeve sees a picture of a woman, falls in love, and travels back in time to meet her. I always had a hard time wrapping my brain around the concept of time travel. 'Quantum Leap' was another favorite tv show....again with the concept of traveling through time....making "corrections". LOST is like that and I'm still challenged with the idea of moving through time and making the necessay corrections in order for events to happen as they should in the great cosmic scheme of things.

Hey no one wants to comment on the possibility that the other two people who supposedly made it off the plane and then died on the island... why wouldn't they just say they were the only 5 who made it off unless the other two were important... any thoughts on who they were?!?

Like I said above I wonder if this is the tie in for the seemingly unimportant NIKKI AND PAULO...???????????

I agree with girl239 about Aaron and nourishment. I nursed my 2 kids and believe me, when they are as little as Aaron, they need to eat every 3 hours otherwise they are a hungry, screaming mess. Sawyer hands Aaron to Kate then Kate gives him to Sun. When is this poor baby eating? Is there suddenly a shipment of formula falling from the sky? And don't get me started on the pooping and peeing. Obviously there's no diapers. So wouldn't that blue blanket he's been carried around in be a disgusting mess? This has always been a bothersome subject for me... I agree that the writers have always had tight storylines, but for us mothers out there, we know they've been lacking in the baby dept. We know how it really is!

Whoa! Love the flash forwards. They leave you with more questions than answers believe it or not. The "O-6" are all split up. I can't wait to see how they all get together. Why was Farrady crying while watching a news reel of the crash remains to open the season last fall? Sun vs. Dad will be priceless. Last season's finale is what I want to see play out now...Jack back on the bottle and Kate pleading with him not to go back to the Island. He reveals how they had to sell out and lie to get off the island and it's eating at him. Hurly in a Psych Ward....when will we see what finally drove him overweight...ah...board?

So is the island being moved in both location and time? Maybe the O6 are the only ones not actually on the island when it is "being moved". Remember Hurley saying talking to Ben about how to move the island, and him still wanting to GET OFF OF IT! How will Kate and Sayid get away from those with the guns? There were a lot of them. WHere the hell did Richard find the new new others?
So many questions.

Can I have my own writing style back?

It seems that moving the island is extremely dangerous, and all inhabiting the island when it is moved are in great danger. Could this be the reason for the purge of DI by Ben? Did they kill everyone rather than attempt to move so many people to safety? We all know that Ben does whatever Jacob asks of him, and we know that Richard (and presumably the other "others")can get off of the island. Ben made a comment that the crackers in the Orchid box were 15 years old... does anyone remember when the purge took place? If it was 15 years ago, I think we can assume they had to move the island then as well.

christy07 I think the purge was in 1992 which would make it 15 years ago since it is the end of 2007 on the island

Jenn its the end of 2004 on the island.

Zelda, you should read "The Time Traveler's Wife". I reminds me a lot of the best episode of Lost ever- The Constant.

I have a feeling Mr. Eyeliner guy will help Sayid and Kate. Why wouldn't he? They are itching to get the hell off the damn thing and I'm sure he's willing to do whatever to protect it.

Horace also said he has been dead for 12 years making the purge 12 years ago.

The Dingy only holds 6.

purge was in 1992, crash was in 2004 so it was 12 years (I looked it up on lostpedia)

When the Oceanic rep was giving her statement to the press - she said the plane crashed and then a "boat"? was used by the O6 to go to the other island.... - so I think that Sun and Aaron jump (or get) off the freighter and find(?) Daniel with the rescue boat???

Sorry...I don't know why I said that, I know its 2004 ... thanks for the correction Jaclyn

Jenn its totally understandable. I constantly think its the same year there as it is in real life and my boyfriend is constantly correcting me.

That comment by "Bill Simmons" is hilarious.

Jennifer: Oh. My. God. I was given 'The Time Traveler's Wife' a couple of Christmases ago, put it on the shelf and forgot about it! Where is that thing...*turning and looking behind me at the book shelf....* Dang!

I mentioned this earlier and no one responded (probably because I am wrong) but last night I didn't notice the woosh sounds when alternating from the flash forwards and island time. Did anyone else notice that or was it just me.

Anyone have any insight as to who the hell Richard is? He was there when Locke was born. By the way, they tell us Locke was born in May 1956, but the song playing when his mom Emily was getting ready for her "date" wasn't released until July 1957. Anyway, Richard visited Locke when he was five, this is the same year, presumably that Ben was born to a woman named Emily, both not ever raising their sons...he was also shown as recruiting Juliet to the island because of pregnant women dying during childbirth. He told Locke they "have been waiting for him"....I digress, does Richard know who Jacob is? Is Richard on opposite sides of Jacob? Anyone?

For some reason looking at that screen shot I think the person on the plane they don't acknowledge is either another military person who knows about the cover-up or it is Michael... beacuse I agree he appears to be in uniform of some sort... maybe it will be no one maybe not... but what does anyone think about it being Michael!?

For the person going to the Lost season finale party as Penny....wear a shirt that says IT'S NOT MY BOAT! LOL

Great episode. Ben is a true thug! Richard & the Other r definitely reinforcements 2 help Ben/create diverson 4 Locke 2 enter the Orchid Station.

In the exchange b/w Sun & her father, she (obviously) very very pissed. What intrigued me was the comment she made about Jin being dead. The WAY she said it made it sound like she witnessed her husband's death. Plus, if Mr. Paik has something 2 do w/the island, wouldn't he b aware of Jin's status? Plus the scene w/Hurley & Sun @ the cemetery seemed a bit 2 real. I think that Jin & Desmond & Michale die on the freighter due 2 the C4 detonating. I remember Ben telling Michael that he couldn't detonate the bomb b/c "innocents" were on board. well, now there's a hell of a lot more explosive material down there now, but I gotta believe that "innocents" r still on board (i.e. the "no name extras"), so I'm really not sure how/when the boat goes up, but Jin's certainly aboard when it happens.

As far as your question, I'll take my flashes anyway the come, forward, back, or sideways. they always add a bit more information 2 the puzzle that is LOST.

Best line of the night:
Sawyer: (to Miles) Who u talkin' 2 now Ghengis?

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Hey no one wants to comment on the possibility that the other two people who supposedly made it off the plane and then died on the island... why wouldn't they just say they were the only 5 who made it off unless the other two were important... any thoughts on who they were?!?

Like I said above I wonder if this is the tie in for the seemingly unimportant NIKKI AND PAULO...???????????

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Ever since Myles was introduced on the show, I pictured the Losties finding out his powers and bringing him over the "grave site" of Nikki & Paulo who are still in the spider induced coma to finally find out how they "died". He reveals that there is nobody dead here and they awake and scare the crap out of everyone. Am I nuts?
Also...Need to know what will happen when Jack "finds out" the 'Sox win the '04 series as he's not suppose to know.

Remember a few episodes back, in a flashforward, when Kate said she was doing something for Sawyer? I think Sawyer is off the island, and he's the figure we see in the plane. But that's as far as my theory goes....

Lyndsey Z - I think people will answer your question if they have a theory if not your question may never get answered. My opinion on the matter is that the two extra people could be ANYONE that has died on the island...Boone, Shannon, Nikki, Paulo, Eko..anyone.

Aaron probably doent need food and is OK just like Hugo doesnt have food and yet doesnt change. its an "island thing"

Vickie: Thanks for the location of the person in the screen cap. It's so obvious now that I know where to look! How could I have not seen that before?

I still am wondering about the significance of the box with the 15 year old crackers (best line of the show last night!) But I don't think that was just a throwaway line. There's some reason they want us to know that Ben left that box there 15 years ago. Purge: 12 years ago (1992), Rousseau stranded/Danielle kidnapped: 16 years ago (1988), box-o-stuff in the jungle: 15 years ago (1989).

On a totally unrelated note, I think that Jin is really going to die. :( I hope I'm wrong.

How have they explained that Michael and Walt were on 815 but Walt is alive with his grandmother and Michael went back to the island? Has it been explained at all. I'm sure when they went over the manifest of those onboard, Walt's name had to be on there, but he lived with his grandmother and then Miles went to the house to ask him where something was and someone was killed there, or something to that effect.

Jenn: I'm positive I heard the whoosh at least once last night.

Jaimi - its been addressed a few times before. Miles never went to Walt's grandma's house that was a different lady. They also came back under different identities that's why people don't know them.

But Walt is still alive somewhere then?

Ok, if Jin dies for real I'm going to be very, very pissed. (And dusty ;-)
What is it about killing off main characters??? I'm still getting over Eko and Charlie! (Sorry Daniel)If Jin goes now, I'll, I'll.... I guess just keep watching, I'm a Pansy!

BEN.

yes he is living with his grandma. remember when michael went to go see him and Walt was looking out the window?

Thanks dana michelle. I will have to rewatch/listen. I just remember before people were talking about different sounds for flash backs v. flash forwards and thought it was weird that there might not have been any last night. I know its not important in the scheme of things, but it just seemed weird.

Is there a connection between Ben and Locke, the "chosen" ones not being raised by their mothers, and the prophecy that Claire was told about not letting anyone else raise her son, and Jack being told by Hurley that Charlie said he is not supposed to raise him? Is Aaron the next "chosen one"? There has to be something to that.

Some observations:

The press conference showed a photo 'taken by a fisherman' of the Oceanic 6 coming on shore to the island (when they were actually saved)... I need to rewatch and see, but my guess would be that they are in the inflatable dinghy that holds 6. After last night, I have to assume that Jack and Sawyer will save Hurley from the Orchid, and meet up with Kate and Sayid and escape the Orchid; and Lapidus will lift them all to safety. Sawyer has some special softness in his heart for Hurley, so Sawyer will jump out of the helicopter when Lapidus says they don't have enough fuel and ask Kate to find Clementine... The 6 dinghy boat will make it back to the freighter with more Losties and Farraday... Lapidus will arrive with Kate, Jack, Hurley and Aaron. The frieghter will explode and somehow the Oceanic 6 (5 adults and 1 baby, so still room for 1 more person in the boat and I pick Farraday) will take the dinghy and be saved. The rest perish in the Freighter fire...

We know Farraday is key to this. We've seen in the FF that he is saved from the island, and we've seen from his notebook that he knows about the Constants and last night they showed that in his notebook, he already knew about the Orchid. (stay with me here)...

We all want to know how Whidmore could know about the island, including the all-important Orchid Station, considering the fact that he's never been to the island and can't find it. Someone has given him the information about the island. We know thats not Ben. However, Farraday has information on the Orchid and who-knows-what-else in his notebooks. I think that unwittingly, Farraday has given Whidmore all the information he knows about the island, but I don't know how Farraday got it in the first place...

I also wondered last night why Keamy didn't kill Linus. That was the order he was given. When he knocked him out with the gun, I wondered if Keamy might be a double agent? I have thought since the Freighter introduction that Michael wasn't alone in his plight for Ben on the boat, that there had to be someone else too (someone that Michael didn't know about). I assumed it was Keamy then, considering that when Michael destroyed the engines, they didn't kill him right off (Keamy has killed for a lot less reason example: the doctor.) I think Keamy was the one who put the C4 in the engine room and he is really working for Ben, but is somehow in cahoots with Ben and thats why Ben sat dumbfounded that "He changed the rules"- we all assumed it was Whidmore, but maybe not. Thoughts?

also, does anyone think the other person Sun blames for Jin's death is Michael? She knew he was on the boat b/c of Ben.

I don't want Desmond to die!

Whoa, I accidentally deleted something so my post made no sense at the end. What I wanted to say was that:

I think Keamy was another 'man on the boat' for Ben and was never supposed to kill Alex. When he did kill Alex, he 'changed the rules' and dumbfounded Ben who was now triple-crossed (follow me, Keamy supposedly worked for Whidmore, but works for Ben, but ultimately goes rogue). Keamy should have killed Ben last night when he showed up, but he didn't.

what if somehow daniel and charoltte die with the O6 and to explain them they pass them of as nikki and pablo

Kate saying Aaron is HER baby....I am soooooo disappointed in the writers on this one.

First of all, you know they would take all of the survivors to some medical facility for physical exams after being on that island for over 3 months and any doctor could tell Kate had never had a baby 5 weeks ago.

Which brings me to the second point...Aaron is supposed to be a 5 week old infant? Oh P L L E E E A S E !!!! That baby has to be at least 4 or 5 months old.

Oh, yeah and I assume Clair was nursing the baby since we never saw in Dharma formula or baby bottles, so what kept Aaron from starving to death after Clair took off and deserted him?

I am an avid Lost Lover, but shame on the writers for goofing up on these points.

I must be missing something important but why is everyone assuming the other 2 are Nikki and Paulo? What relevance does that have?

LOST FAN----
I love the thought of Daniel and Charlotte dying and being passed off as Nikki and Paulo... I just want those two characters to have some more meaning... since they were basically as waste of space and time... and I expect more from the writers!!

lost fan: Daniel makes it off the island- we've seen the FF of him sitting in front of the TV watching the news of the Oceanic Flight wreckage being found and he is crying but doesn't know why...

For the people who are obsessing about Aaron and his eating habits.... Enough! There are alot of normal things that we dont "see" for example all the women on thier periods, I dont see boxes of darma tampons either, but I dont think we need to. We know the baby was probably breast fed, but mash up some canned vegtables and there you go, now you have baby food. And theres more important plots for the writers to focus on than diapers. And if you want to insist on health inspections, they would have to explain how Jack took out his own appendix as well. I would stop watching if we had to endure these soap opera details. Its only an hour show!

Didn't Sun say Jin never made it off the plane? Is she going with the story that she was pregnant before they got on the plane and the baby was just late when it was born? Didn't she actually get preggers on the island?

LINDAnKC---

I was already discussing that one with girl239 up above... yes I agree that it seems like an inconsistancy... and I was upset with it at first... but you have to keep in mind a few things...

First off Oceanic and a lot of people are obviously in on the cover up of the real story... so doctors checking them out could easily be ignored in that cover up...

Second... all babies on TV appear to be older than they really are because they need to have babies that are reliable to hold still and keep quiet... and infants aren't really known for that... not to mention putting a real infant in the wilderness of Hawaii in all these scenes in the heat would be cruel so it is probably a doll most of the time... and when necessary an older baby... nothing the writers can do about that!!

Third... they seem to have lots of food hanging around the island... Hurley has kept his shape as so many people have pointed out... we don't watch the Losties poop, eat, and shower all the time... I am sure if you go back and look there have been times they showed Aaron being fed changed etc... I am guessing we are just supposed to assume in many of the things we don't see that they do... Aaron is being fed and changed... and how do you know they don't have baby formula and diapers in the Other's camp... after all they were trying to have babies all the time over there... what were they planning on feeding them or how were they going to change them???????

Isn't Charlotte another one that is alive in the future. Isn't it the future when she finds that polarbear skull in the desert? Or is she from the future and went back in time to the island and now she'll die and won't be alive in the future anymore? Confused.

oh my gosh - just thought of something as I'm reading all these comments. Are we SURE that there are only two people who are supposed to have survived the crash and swam to the island, then died? If I remember right, at the press conference Jack said there were 8 of them that survived the crash and swam to the island. Well, if Kate was 6 months pregnant, Aaron wouldn't be considered one of the 8 people who swam to the beach. So that would mean 8 people swam to the beach, and 5 adults lived, with one of them giving birth later.

Also, how do they explain that the survivors of the plane crash swam to a deserted island and found a motor boat that they took to the other inhabited island?

Daniel...damn that dust!! loved that line.
i cried like a little baby, have to admit.

i like my Flashes any way i can get them, forward, backwards, sideways, whatever.
i just hate that the season is almost over and we won't have any flashes till next season.

i'll post more later, gotta catch up on the comments.

I LOVED THIS EPI...A++++

I love LOST, and this website!
I guess we now know why none of Sun's family showed up at the hospital after her baby was born. She said she would be having her baby and then coming to Paik to decide the future of OUR company! I love it!!!

COME ON NOW---

You took the words right out of my mouth... I am glad we don't always see when they poop, eat, or shower... this is not the type of show were they are going to feature the lost family having a conversation over the breakfast table... but I do enjoy the occasional gratuitous scene of Sawyer without his shirt for showering or whatever purpose... but who doesn't enjoy those... I think Daniel would agree about Kate... changing or whatever...

I don't think Charlotte and Daniel had flash forwards, I think they were flash backs. They happened in conjunction with finding 815 in the ocean, which was before the freighties went to the island.

I have never been so happy to see "the others". :D

I'm disappointed in my theory that Jin was one of the survivors that died later, but it makes sense that Charlotte and Faraday are explained as the two who died later ... but they couldn't pass them off as Nikki and Paulo and why would you want to?

BUT, here is my new theory. Ammadon is Walt. His conversation with Locke last week about going on a walkabout sounds a LOT like a conversation Locke had with Walt in the first season.

Timey-wimey travel, loopy-doopy string theory....

Oh, and did NO ONE comment at what a great guest star they had in the Oceanic rep? Admiral Kane AKA Ensign Rho!! Love her.

I had to miss the first 20 minutes but I was checking in with a friend who called on commercials as I raced home ... and for once my VCR cooperated with me. I was yelling my head off when Claire's mom showed. Did Christian do something for her when she was in the hospital -- surgery or something to help her wake up?

GIRL239---

Oh yeah good point you are right... that would be three people that died on the island after escaping the plane... I think that changes everything... I wonder who they are because there would be no reason for them to even say they got off the plane unless they are going to be named and discussed or their bodies are going to be brought to familes or something...

Did anyone notice that throughout the episode last night some of the characters (like kate) looked like they had been there done that before?

Did Kate overhear what Claire's mom said to Jack? The look on her face suggested maybe, but I wanted to know what the rest of you thought....

Anyone think this season will end with the exact same airport runway scene that ended season 3 (with Jack telling Kate they have to go back)? It could happen ;)

JENN---

Yeah I am pretty sure you are right about that... those flashes with Daniel and Charlotte were when the Freighter tots were leaving to go get the Losties because of the discovery of the flight in the ocean... so then we have no guarantee that they survive this season finale... they could both die...

But the reason I want something to be tied to Nikki and Paulo is because the purpose of their characters really hasn't been brought full circle yet... they were kinda a waste of time if they weren't there for a purpose....

Lyndsey Z I'm with you (Nikki and Paulo being a waste of time) but I have a feeling that they didn't really have a purpose. Plus Nikki was on that TV show which makes me think that there would be too much publicity surrounding her to use her as one of the surviviors that didn't make it. but I don't know. Everytime I think I know something about LOST I usually don't.

Remember the first episode we met Charlotte and Daniel? Daniel was curled up in Essex, Massachesetts with his caretaker checking on him... she specifically asks him if he's alright and why he's crying... he is watching television and on the news they are pulling up the Oceanic 815 wreckage. When asked why he's crying he answers, "I don't know". The wreckage news obviously happens AFTER the flight, so its definetly a flash forward and not a flashback... but it doesn't allow us to know if he survives and gets off the island with the others... I guess its possible he's not the 6th adult space in the dinghy, so let me put Ben in there (we do know that Ben gets off the island)- except damn, in a FF Sayid has already asked Ben how he got off the island (so I guess he gets off the island apart from the 6, so how many more also?)

flycj18 - I agree that they have done this all before. Remember last week's episode when Richard asks John Locke the kid which one of those items belongs to him...and he chose the knife!!!??? totally makes sense.

Great episode last night. A+. Does anyone think that that device strapped to Keamy arm is the detonator for the C4 on the Frieghter?

Also, I loved that they broght the numbers back. I missed them. I hope they end up having some meaning in the end. Maybe in some way they are the coordinates to where they have to move the island.

Lyndzey Z
Its funny how we can all get caught up in little feeding and medical inconsistencies from time to time, but overlook the fact that we are all for believing in the time travel and reincarnation plots! We should all be able to laugh at ourselves with some of our funny reasonings.
Second greatest show ever, right behind Sopranos

ok with the nikki and paulo thing. they piled a large amount of sand on those people. they would have suffocated before the 8 hours of paralysis wore off not to mention the time it would take to dig out.

Lyndsey: I looked at lostpedia.com just to refresh my memory of who all the survivors actually were and who the choices could be. I think you have a point about there being no reason to name the three (or two- whichever) other crash survivors unless their bodies were brought back or they would use them to explain other circumstances of their survival. I'm thinking that the three could only be those that they know are dead - like Charlie for instance. They wouldn't want to name those that they know are still on the island, because if sometime in the future they show up as survivors, then the Oceanic 6's stories are revealed as lies. (And I'm sure they'd want to cover all the bases!) So, in my theory, the only thing Sun could say, regarding Jin, is that he went down with the plane - because he is actually still alive on the island. They also couldn't count Walt as having died on the island, because Walt is in the "real world" under an alias. Which goes along with my theory that they could only name those that are really dead as initial crash survivors. That leaves:
Libby
Ana Lucia
Charlie
Boone
Shannon
Paulo
Artz
Nikki
the Marshall (Edward)
the pilot (Seth)
three I don't remember (Donald, Scott, and Nathan).

Of course, others survivors may die before the rescue of the 6, so more could be added to the list.

The person in the picture next to Jack is Hurley. I just watched it over...you can watch it in real time and see his curly hair and big body.

LIT, I don't know that you can definitely say they were Flash forwards, because they found the wreckage before they got on the freighter. Lapidus joined the crew on the freighter becuase he didn't think the plane they found was real. But the fact that Daniel was crying and Charlotte kept reading about the story maybe suggests that they had been there before.
Also, Lostpedia says that Daniel got recruited to be on the freighter after he saw the news report of 815 being found.

Since other Others in New Otherton were trying to get the women pregnant, I am going to guess they had some formula around, just in case, and Claire being practical would have gotten some ... and can they just give a baby cow's milk or powdered milk (maybe they have some on the freighter). At some point next week they will have to address feeding Aaron. They've shown Claire changing clothe diapers and didn't they pass a backpack when they exchanged Aaron which would be his diaper bag?

I wondered last night why Kate's mom or her ex-hubby Nathan Fillion didn't show up at the airport...

Reading over everyone's comment makes me think about that movie with Jet Li "The One" where he exists in different dimensions, for some reason the events in the show remind me of that movie? Any thoughts?

Lost in Love....you're gonna be surprised when the hole Nikki/Paulo thing goes down? This is Lost...there's not enough sand on the island to keep them down.

sarah badara, there is a person on the opposite side of the plane from Jack and Hurley...toward the front of the plane, to the right of kate

LIT - when we were introduced to the Freighter gang - Daniel, Charlotte, Miles... They were having flashbacks. Yes the news about the wreckage was AFTER the flight, but it was before Daniels time on the island so it was a flashback. We don't know that any of freighter people make it off the island.

sarah badara - look in the picture on the right towards the back, you can see legs of someone sitting there.
I too, am convinced that the Oceanic rep's nod hello to whoever is sitting there was not supposed to go unnoticed. It could be a coast guard person or someone else of not very much significance, in which case I think it's there to throw us off and get us talking. But she definitely said hello to someone.

Abacus Amy:

I don't think Kate overhead, because she didn't look shocked. But I do think Jack is going to tell her, because in one of the flashforwards he tells Kate he can't see "him" referring to Aaron and she seems to know what he means.

Lost Buddy:

If they end the series that way, I will be so upset that I will bawl like a baby. That would be a terrible way to end all these years of devotion!

Lyndsey -the writers admit they made a mistake with the Nikki/Paulo storyline and I don't think they want to revisit it. They were a huge waste of time.

Also, Jenn is correct...Daniel's scene watching the recovery of the 815 was before they went to the island with the rest of the freighter tots.

Ab. Amy - I thought the same thing. The look on Kates face was like OMG.... I guess we can't be absolutely sure but it looked like it to me.

A couple points. I think the comment made above that Aaron is the next chosen one (i.e. Ben and John) could very well be correct.

Also, no one has mentioned the significance of the date when the Losties get off of the island. They left the island on 01/07/05 exactly 108 days after they crashed on the island. Of course we know that the hatch kept resetting to 108 minutes and that the number 4+8+15+16+23+42 = 108. These numbers keep coming up in all different aspects of the show. What do they have to do with the overall story? Any ideas?

When they move the island, what if they move it back to a desert? Didnt Ben say to Locke "Wait until you see what I can do?" Also, Ben looked pretty comfortable on his camel and turbon a few episodes back. By the way, I think Ben was the one who killed Sayid's wife Naomi, and just implied to him that Widmore did it, just so Ben could get Sayid on his side to hunt down Widmore for him.

girl239 - I didn't mean the entire series! That would be awful! I meant the ending of Season 4 could potentially be the exact same ending as Season 3.

Season 5 and Season 6 better have completely different endings ;)

one comment, too busy today to obsess!! :( did anyone else get the feeling that ben was telling locke to kneel in front of the orchid? he said something like get down...we're here. i just got a spiritual vibe from that scene. oh! one other thing..when sayid made it to the island i was like, how'd he make it through with no storm like what happened to the helicopter...and then said "leave it to sayid!". that made me laugh, they really should have that spinoff..thanks daniel.

Oh me oh my! I lost my composure in the first 5 minutes!! When Hurly grabs Sayid and introduces him because Sayid has noone to greet him! Beautiful!!! And then Nadia shows up! Last nights ep was A+++ on the goosebump, crying, spine tingling scales! Sawyer calling Jack stubborn was hilarious! Kettle meet Black! Jack's face when he learns about Claire and not being able to let the flood gates of emotion pour out was heart wrenching. You can also sense Juliet getting jealous over Kate too. Whatever happens to Jin and Sun, I'm not going to like it! I love that Sun comes back and busts her dad's balls!! It never ceases to amaze me how this damn show captivates me like nothing else ever!

Yeah, it was mostly good, I'd give it an A. My only complaint was WHY DIDN'T THEY SHOW MORE KEAMY??? I'm sorry to all you Keamy haters out there, but after that scene with his shirt off, hoo-damn, I love him. And all we saw was that same creepy look that he got when he hit Michael with the gun, the one where he gets all calm and then really pissed and knocks the guy out. They really need more Keamy next week, especially without his shirt on. And what's with Desmond? Changing the coordinates around. Oh, and Keamy definately went rouge, I have to agree with whoever said that, the "he changed the plan" gave that one away. But it was pretty good. Now I just need answers.

Janelle: I think Kate's ex died, didn't he? Isn't that one of the things she felt guilty about, some accidental death that she felt responsible for? As for her mom - I don't know why she wouldn't have come, since she did come to her trial to see her. Maybe she hadn't yet forgiven her.

Regarding Aaron, I just wish they had shown him drinking formula from a bottle at least once. It could have had the Dharma logo on it and then there would be no more questioning that whole situation.

whoa dude. i stared at that picture and i couldnt find anything. ill have to look again.

also...i totally didnt see that as the way jack found out about claire but i loved it. i kept yelling at the tv say her name, say claire!! and matthew fox is such a good actor, his face was great.

i dont have much more for this week other than it was good to see richard. i love the relationship between ben and hurley and locke. i like how each person had their own flash forwards and how this week is a set up for the 2 hour episode in two weeks.

Want more Keamy rent Wild Hogs and Mystery, Alaska.

According to lostpedia and a lot of other sources the numbers refer to an equation that will predict the end of time. It has been suggested that the DI was trying to find a way to change the outcome of this prediction. I can't remember the actual name of the formula. something like the valenzi equation.

From the previews it looks like Locke and Ben escape Keamy and the freighter tots.

I gotta say, nothing happened in that episode. Things started to happen, but nothing happened. Disappointed that Jack found out about Claire from her mom instead of Christian and Claire. The whole comment of Kate's after her trial seems odd now, "until you want to come see the baby there is no you and me getting coffee" line. He has seen the baby, he was with her after he knew about the baby, and he basically drank the relationship away. I don't know. Hopefully next episode something actually happens, it has to right?

Girl293 - Kate had her childhood friend Tom, who was killed by the cops shooting at her, and her ex-husband, who was a cop and I don't remember his character name but he was played by Nathan Fillion. She left him -- up and took off on him when he got too close to the truth I think - that is when she took off for Australia. But he'd have seen her on TV and she'd have to get an official divorce to marry Jack, right?

loveSteamyKeamy:

You sure do have an appropriate username!!:)
I'm guessing you'll be happy as the series continues because Keamy seems to have become a central and powerful figure. Those scenes last week with him and the captain, my son turned to me and said "I thought the captain was in charge?" and I said "I don't know what's going on, but the captain sure isn't in charge." Keamy seems to be able to do what he wants, so he must be pretty high up in Widmore's entourage. That should make you happy!

Oh, forgot to mention, Sund bitch-slapping her father was awsome, as was the "Jesus Christ is not a weapon.", nearly peed my pants laughing. And when Kate got help up at gunpoint, again. Does she ever not get held up?

they are kates legs. you mean the ones in the blue-ish pants, right next to her?

if you go by the feet, the legs that look like they are at a right angle belong to kate. other than that i really cant see anything.

"Freighter tots" = hilarious!

With Farraday going back & forth in that dinghy – am I the only one concerned that he is in danger of going crazy-time-traveling like Des did? Farraday was exposed to a lot radiation when he did his mouse experiments - isn't that what makes some people go crazy going to/from the isle? He made it over in the coptor the first time okay, but why did they point out in “The Constant” that he wore an anti-radiation vest, but nothing on his head during his experiments – if they didn’t want us to think it would happen to him too?
And with the engines back on, but due to the interference & reefs, didn't the crewman helming the freighter say “I’m not going any closer than 5 miles off the coast” – so how far off are they now? I thought they stopped the freighter from going closer to the island due to the crazy-killingness, not only the engines. And on that note, is Des forever cured of his crazy-time-travelingness? And if the island is “moved” will that send a gigantic electromagnetic pulse that hits everyone & makes them all crazy-time-traveling prone? All I can say is they’d better let Desmond make it back to Penny – even if he has to time-travel to her -- or I will be very very displeased. Overall a great episode. Farraday is my new hero, but Des is still my constant.

Okay all you Keamy fans.... I think you need to spend some time in room 23 so we can brain wash you back into reality... ;)

We all have our favorites but I'm hoping he gets a bullet right between the eyes. RIP Alex and Rousseau.....and I think Claire...

Yeah, thanks girl239. But we all know he will eventually die. Even I'm prepared for that. It always happens to me, look at Boone. If I prepare now, I won't be sad later. Thanks though.

Janelle:
Thanks for reminding me of that - it seems like so long ago! You're right, she would need a divorce to marry Jack. Is this an oversight by the writers? They have so many "balls in the air" that I don't know how they keep it all straight!

I so agree with Getting Lost on the theory about what's going to happen in the season finale. I felt that when Sun was looking at the door closing on the freighter and starting walking away from it, she looked like she felt something very bad was going to happen. She is the only one separated from the other 4 we know get off the island, and somehow when Lapidus gets the rest off, (minus Sawyer who will have to jump off the chopper to save them from going down -promo) she will have to meet up with those 4 and get on the raft Faraday is heading back to the boat with. Sawyer will have to swim back on the island, get together with the rest of the Losties stuck there, and when the island get moved, they have to wait to be rediscovered. The reason I think that the 6 have to lie is so Widmore will think they're all dead. Ben will be on the raft when it reaches the island that they finally arrive on, but will go his own way when he gets there and will tell the rest what they have to say to keep the rest of the Losties safe form Widmore.
I also think Jin is going to die because of the episode where he goes fishing with Bernard and they discuss the whole Karma thing.

To those that can't see the person in the picture...

Look at the Oceanic rep's waist, then look toward the left of your screen.

Or, follow the cargo tracks toward the front of the plane; when you see the white sphere-like object, look just to the right (on the screen) of that.

maybe its a detonator attached to keamys arm and is waiting for a sign/ok to blow up the ship. that would explain the slamming the door is lapidus's face. Did anyone else feel like jack was icegrilling kate when he just found out about clair. are to assume he tells kate aaron is his nephew? I don't know seems he was pissed not sad

I JUST GOT CHILLS! I just looked at the screengrab (see the end of Daniel's journal for the link) and to me it looks like Christian! That just gave me the chilly willies! Anybody else think that?

overlytired! thanks so much! i finally see what everyone is talking about! boy i feel dumb now.

Anonymous:

My son and I kept laughing about the dinghy going back and forth because "HOW MUCH GAS DOES THAT TANK HOLD"? Unless the freighter is pretty close, wouldn't they need to refuel? I'm not a boater, so I wouldn't know.

girl239,
Ana Lucia will most likely not be one of the people the 06 say survived the crash but later died. I remember in a Hurley flashfoward (when he crashed his car) he was being questioned by an officer who asked him if he knew Ana L, and Hurley said he never heard of her.

For everyone trying to place the 6 adults who could have been on the little boat... if Hurley's on it, him and Aaron together equal 2 adults, so it would be at capacity

For everyone trying to place the 6 adults who could have been on the dinghy ... if Hurley's on it, him and Aaron together equal 2 adults, so it would be at capacity

i think its just a coast guard guy. there is a shiny reflective thing on his chest and im pretty sure its jump wings. certain people get them when they are in the military. i thought it kinda looked like christian but as weird as this sounds his torso doesnt look tall enough. the legs are there, just not the upper half.

lost in yonkers:

If Sawyer has to jump off the helicopter so the others can proceed to their rescue, then why does Jack say to Kate "I'm the one who saved you" when he was mad about her doing the favor for Sawyer in the "real world"? It would seem to me the Sawyer would be considered the real hero, not Jack!

I'm not liking the fact that they're saying Kate gave birth to Aaron either. I'm not sure where they're going to take this, but it can't end that way. Something's up; Kate/Aaron situation is a huge medical inconsistency for me. 5 weeks old and he was sitting up, holding his head up etc. My point exactly with whoever mentioned the medical examinations they would receive upon return, how is this going to play out in the long run? I wonder.

Abbadon did sound creepily like Walt when he said Mr. Locke then John, but I hope he's not future Walt.

AbacusAmy - I also had that question about if Kate overheard Claire's Mom or not. I thought so but that expression could have meant anything.
WHY OH WHY CAN'T MY JACK GET SOME GOOD NEWS?!............:)

It's been said that it's really not important who the other 2 survivors are (from their made up story). I'd like to find out who they are saying the other 2 were though. Someone's bound to ask!

hey sarah badara! :)

Come on now: My husband laughs at me all the time & from time to time asks me 'you know these people aren't real right?! :) anyway...Sopranos was a great show, but LOST is in a whole different greatness category for me.

I Loved this episode, as I LOVE all of them.

More later I'm sure. You guys are posting like maniacs!! Got to get back to reading them all.

T,

hurley was playing dumb when the cop asked him that, remember they have to keep up with the lie.

sara badara look at the top of the picture and to the right. the guy isn't sitting by the 06 he is alone and leaning back against the plane.

T:
You are right, I forgot that. So she needs to be removed from my list of possibilities! Thanks for the info, that narrows the field.

Girl239 - i was just thinking the same thing. What did Sawyer do that has Jack so mad at him? Why wouldn't he want Kate to help out with Clementine or what ever Kate did to help out Sawyer. Is it all just jealousy over Kate?

Hey kat!

Okay I just thought of this...how do we know if what we saw of the Freightor Tots was a flash forward?

The story of the fake wreckage was already released and then they were recruited because remember when Lapidus told someone on the boat (I think Sayid) that he thought he was the only conspiracy nut because they said it wasnt the real wreckage?

Do you guys know what I am talking about?

Sorry I have been confusing myself.

LostNYer: I thought it looked like Christian too! Wouldn't that be creepy!

sarah b. I'm pretty sure they were flash backs.

Lyndsey....

I don't think anyone is commenting on who the missing 2 could be who died on the island is because so far the writers haven't given us a single clue that I can think of.

I doubt it would be Nikki and Paulo, as I read their characters were just thrown into that one episode as a sort of sidebar and they never really figured into any of the main characters lives. I think the 2 that the Oceanic 6 will claimed will be two main characters from the first couple of seasons. Like maybe Boone and that chick that Michael shot that Hurley liked. But so far there haven't been any hints, so it could be anyone at this point.

Oceanic can't pay out huge money to the families of everyone who was on the plane and didn't survive. However, they'd give huge settlements to the people who made it off the plane onto the island. Who would the survivors want to get some cash? Could it be that simple -- say that Sawyer survived so that Clementine could get money, or that Michael and Walt survived and died later so that Grandma could get some cash to care for Walt in the real world?

what about this

kate - dad dead, step-dad lied about being her father
jack - all sorts of father issues
hurley - ditto
sawyer - parents dead
sun - father issues
jin- father issues
charlie - father butchering babydoll in f/b
claire- father issues
linus - killed his father
locke - had father killed
shannon - father dead

does any of this mean anything to anyone else?

No, the guy is too slouchy to be Christian. Christian has a better posture.

Janelle + Girl 239
I dont think Jack is mad at Sawyer, he's mad at Kate for lying to him. She said "he wouldnt want me to tell you" and that puts Sawyer in a higher position than Jack who is now her fiance. I think Jack has a right to at least know that she was doing Sawyer a favor, even if he doesnt know what the favor is. But she snuck around and tried to say she was doing something else at the time.
Hey I wonder if Aaron gets an Oceanic settlement too? Nice little trust fund baby there.

i was sure they were flashbacks too, but i keep seeing people say that they were flash forwards and thats how you know farraday and them get off the island.

ps i did get a lil emotional at the christian memorial. :( i know hes not gone though :)

Did anyone notice that after Claire "walked away" that Aaron hasn't eaten in like 36 hours? I think he would be screaming by then....Just a little detail.

I have always wondered the significance as to why they say 8 survived the crash and 2 later died. Why say 8 and not 9, or 10 or (insert number)? I like the idea someone said that it might have to do with the settlements and that they decided to say that Michael survived to give Walt the money and Sawyer died to give Clementine the money. But considering all they already have to think about, who masterminds all of this? Wow-

Sarah, Sawyer would have saved everyone on the chopper from dying if it is going down.The promo has Lapidus saying 'we're losing fuel" and it also shows Kate and Sawyer just about to kiss on the chopper, like a kiss goodbye. We don't know what else will happen after that for Jack to say he's the one who saved her. It could be from the Richard and the others who are holding guns on them, it could mean anything at this point. It's all going to play out in 2 weeks and we'll see what really happens then.

sarah b. I posted this earlier, but this is why I think they are flash backs:

Lapidus joined the crew on the freighter becuase he didn't think the plane they found was real. But the fact that Daniel was crying and Charlotte kept reading about the story maybe suggests that they had been there before.
Also, Lostpedia says that Daniel got recruited to be on the freighter after he saw the news report of 815 being found.

I didn't read all 170+ comments, but the general theme I'm getting from a lot of them is that people are finding "holes" in the story the survivors are telling. I got the impression that Oceanic gave them that story to tell people... not that they made it up themselves. It's obviously not the way things happened, and I think Oceanic's PR team fabricated the whole thing to cover their butts in the oncoming media storm.

There are also more than likely some higher-ups associated with Dharma and/or Widmore who want aspects of their crash and time on the secret island to be kept private. Especially considering Widmore's attempt at making everyone believe they'd all died in the crash via sinking an entire plane full of people so it could be "discovered" on the news. People REALLY don't want the truth to get out about the island and its previous (or current?) inhabitants.

That's why they're saying Jin died in the wreck and Aaron is Kate's baby; they're keeping the lie as simple as possible to avoid people forgetting/messing it up/getting too many questions about stuff.

That's what I think, anyway. I don't think it's plausible at all that the survivors made up their own story and lied to Oceanic from the get-go.

yeah Jenn, thats everything I thought as to why they were flashbacks. I was just was trying to undertand where the people who said they were flashforwards. but i just cant get it. by now, all that stuff has already happened.

LIT
I dont think they O6 made up the story of 8 survivors just to try to get more payouts for Walt and Clemintine. They would have no idea about the settlements at the time they made up the story before they got on the Coast Guard cargo plane. I do hope they address it in 2 weeks though.

ok nevermind my father issues. i just read on lostpedia that it is a reoccuring theme for jj abrams. here i thought i was being clever.

Jenn

In one of the enhanced episodes, they said the whooshes are for the flashbacks. Not flasforwards!

Dellen
I like your idea that Oceanic made up the story for them. They certainly had alot of maps and presentation material ready for the press. They also stopped the reporter from getting his answer to Kate's legal troubles question.

Does anyone think that Hurleys mom saying "Jesus isn't a weapon" has some real political undertones regarding the way religion is used as an excuse for war, ect. I somehow think this show is really about politics and society in general and is being used as some kind of allegory.
Just a thought.

was hurley driving the camero in this seasons first ep when he got out and "ran"

Do you guys really think its nikki or paulo.. what huge mistake that would be.. its gotta be some other more meaningful characters

Ok, just went and read some more, I see it has been addressed. But Claire was breastfeeding. And Aaron and Sawyer, Kate and Sun haven't given him a bottle....Maybe the Island is providing!

Thoughts on "moving the island"

They don't have to literally move the island, just change the polarity so that the 350 heading doesn't work any more. So, the freighter, dingy or chopper wouldn't be able to get back to the island once any of them left. Like the time Des tried to leave in his boat -- he just circled the island like a snow globe. they'd go around the island and never be able to find it again, unless you knew the secret of how to find it.

Thanks Kelly, Apparently I never noticed until last night.

What if Daniel's journal is somehow related to the book that Widmore bought at auction a few episodes back. That would explain how he knows so much.

Just read some interesting posts on entertainment weekly's site.

*Richard and Widmore were 1st mate and captain on the Black Rock. They discovered the island's powers and are now in a battle over the island. Abbadon was possibly a slave on the ship.

*Farraday has an "orchid" page in his notebook.

*Several others mention the "3 survivors" who died. I guess I'm not alone with that thought.

There's also a lot of questioning about Aaron's nutritional needs, so I wasn't alone in those thoughts either. No one else is confused by the very late memorial for Christian, so I guess I better quit obsessing over that!

They flew on a US Coast Guard Aircraft. All US Coast Guard flights require a mechanic to be on board. The other man seen in the screen shot is wearing a full jump suit mechanic uniform. They did this to make it realistic...i don't think it is relevant tot he story.

i definitely think the freighties had flashbacks, but now i'm thinking of charlotte's, when she was in the desert and found that dharma stuff. someone mentioned earlier than maybe ben moved the island to the desert, but that would have been after charlotte was there. just kind of a coincidence i guess.

also, remember when someone slipped sayid a note saying "don't trust the captain"? it seems weird now since the captain ended up helping them with the little boat. do we know michael wrote that letter? and if so, why?

I hope Daniel doesn't die, because even though his role is somewhat small it is pivital. He seems to have a lot of info. I was shocked when HE knew about the secondary protocal and what it entailed and the CAPTAIN had no clue what it entailed although he knew there was one.

Isn't it great how we are so obsessed that we look for clues in everything. The funny thing is that we are probably missing some very big clues! I'm guessing that Ben's comment about the crackers in the box being 15 years old is supposed to be a big clue, but we probably won't be able to put it all together until the end.

Great Recap Daniel.. I loved the fact that you also gave us some interesting little known facts about you, we're getting to know you a little better (handcuffs anyone?)!!

A few thoughts:
1) I disagree that Richard is a "little character", he is pivotal to Ben and probably now to John. I might even go out on a limb and say that Richard is probably Jacob. I mean, he never ages and is in tune with the island/outside.

2) Sawyer calling Lawnmower Man "Shaggy", hilarious!

3) Loved the screencap, yeah there is someone there and I'm guessing its Christian.

"Ay Brutha!"

They were flash backs. The reason Lapidus is on the boat is because he saw the wreckage on the news and knew it wasn't really 815.

As for Kate being married, she wasn't married as Kate Austen. She used a fake name, although I can't remember what it was, which is fraud, which renders the marriage invalid.

Cammies: I wondered about the note regarding the captain too. He ended up being a good guy, so the note didn't make sense. Unless we find out later that Sayid taking the boat to rescue them wasn't not a good idea and that they shouldn't have been rescued!

Michael may have written the note because the captain doesn't know the whole story of what is going on with the Freighter Tots, so don't trust his advice as being the best for the group?

Richard can't be Jacob, since Ben sent the others to the temple when he was going to go SEE Jacob. I do think Richard was part of the Black Rock crew and has figured out how to use the time travel to remain young.

I still think the island is Eden.

i feel like if michael wanted to warn sayid about anyone, it would be about keamy. you'd think he'd want them to be way more cautious of keamy than the captain...

Just thinking out loud: A lot of people have been commenting on how a lot of the characters look and act like they've been through this before and it got me thinking, what if they have, but they're consciousness doesn't remember all of it. This would explain Daniel crying when he hears about the crash on the news, but doesn't know why; why Charlotte has to read every newspaper article she can about the discovered plane and why Daniel has stuff in his journal about the Orchid. I guess that last one doesn't add up, or maybe none of it does.

I don't know if anyone has said this yet (I haven't read all 200+commments yet) but I really think that the person in the screengrab is Desmond.
But that could be because I just really want him to make it off the island.

Janelle,

I don't think it is Eden. Eden is suppose to be paradise- not a place of conflict and unrest- which is clearly the case for the Losties. Remember when God told Adam and Eve, you don't have to go home but you can't stay here?

I noticed in the last two episodes that it looked like Jack was missing a bottom tooth. Has it always been like that? It's distracting me from looking for real clues!

I lean towards the Eden idea because man shouldn't be there. it is the fact that man is trying to control this ideal place that has caused their problems.

when was the orchid orginally brought up? someone mentioned above about the video. i don't remember that at all. is there any info out there to suggest what the orchid is about other thatn what we learned last night?

Jenn...... or maybe Widmore has been on the island and knows all about the Dharma Stations, including the Orchid and disseminated all this information to the scientists on the freighter. Widmore probably gave the information on a need to know basis. Remember Naomi used that term when lawnmower man wanted to know why he wasn't flying the helicopter first.

I do think that Widmore has definately been on the island and Richard and Ben know it. They even knew him. I like the idea that Widmore and Richard were on the Black Rock together. The story I want now is the one that tells what happened between them all. Was the island moved once before some time after Widmore left the island? Did Widmore keep guessing the coordinates until he got it right this last time? And where does Jacob fit in?

tree LOL @ "It's distracting me from looking for real clues!" The same thing happens to me.

teresalynn - thanks for making me feel less crazy. Interesting that the two people farthest apart in personality Keamy and Daniel seemed to be the only two on the freighter that knew about the Orchid and the contingency plan.

yeah, that last Kitten post was NOT me, get your own name! LOL

Anonymous at 10:23 was me. Sorry.

Kitten

My bad. i was thinking about yor name as I was replying to your post and put your name in the Name line by accident.

im bummed we didnt get to see rousseau and alex flashbacks

Does anyone sit thier kids in front of the tv with snacks just so they can read all of these comments, or is that just me?
I'm just wonderin.....

No problem Janelle...it's Friday....LOL

I don't have any kids, but I do wonder if anyone notices my lack of productivity on Fridays.:)

Do you think that the story of 6 (ok 8 then 6) is because the people left on the island either didnt want to leave or they made a deal w/ben (or jacob) to leave the island and not tell anyone about it...?

I do not believe it is Oceanic who made them tell the story - remember Ammadon went to see Hurley and wanted to know who was still alive on the island?

No problem Janelle...it's Friday....LOL

I agree I don't think the # 8 survivors is based on oceanic payouts. but the story they are selling is weird. kate/jacks FF's seem to be a few years in the future, so the lie has been seemingly kept in check

I think Locke will be alive on the island as the new "Ben". Ben will be the new Charles Widmore trying to "find" it in the new "game".
And maybe Aaron will be the new "Locke" leading a group on the island.

I'm currenlty unemployed (that may be changing next week, yeah!) but I still feel guilty sitting here reading (and adding to) the comments because I have stuff to do today (including shopping for a new top for my second interview next week and apartment hunting in case I do get the job).

I don't know how I will get away with doing this next season!

good luck on your interview Janelle, and at least you have a diversion until you land something! Then when you get another job you can sit at your desk like I'm doing now and scan the comments!

gettinglost i like your idea. i have often wondered if it isn't all a game or the whole thing isn't in the locker like in Men in Black.

Good luck in your interview Janelle!

i'm pretty sure i know how sun ends up with jack & the others but it includes a spoiler from the scenes from next week so i dont want to say. part of my theory is i got the impression when jin says something to sun in korean that he told her to get off the ship in case it blows & she does & runs into the rest of the people in the water. does anyone have a translation for what he said??

AW, thanks guys! Anyone wants to say a prayer for me at 8 a.m. Wednesday, it would be appreciated.

Anyone who knows of a great, affordable apartment within a half hour drive of 42nd and Polaski in Chicago would be appreciated, too!

Glad this site is still up because I am never going to frequent TMZ again.

about the 2 extra people...my guess is its sawyer & whoever else gets on the helicopter with kate & jack, which other lostie could that be? locke? doubtful...anyone have a clue? thats why they dont just say that they died in the actual plane crash, they still have the bodies & they're newly dead?

Im FINALLY on summer break after finals last week so I have NOTHING to do but sit on the internet and watch the History channel (when I'm not watching ABC on Thursday nights. I don't have kids, but I have two lab retrievers and they lay in bed with me or on the couch while I type...so I guess yes I plop them in front of the TV (they watch Animal Planet).

Good luck Janelle! I'm tellin you there are some good people here, I don't know how much encouragement they gave me when I was taking my finals.

Moving on...
I think Michael and Jin are going to die on the boat. I hate the fact that Jin is going to die. He is a BAMF (Dane Cook reference). I used to hope that he wasn't because of the scene at the headstone with Hurley but when she says to her father there are two people responsible for his death, I really think he is dead, or else she might say there are two people responsible for my husband not being with me now. SOrry I'm probably over analyzing.

CCCCAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

I can tell you who wasnt one of the O8 - Locke wouldnt have been able to swim from the plane since he was in a wheelchair.
And what a cruel thing to say to family members anyway - Well actually, your son/daughter/wife/husband DID survive impact and escape out of the sinking plane, but too bad didnt make it from there.

Hey I am back I don't know if GIRL239 or JENN or any of the other people I was talking to are still here but I needed to go to the doctor... I have bronchitis and all that good stuff...

But I have been catching up and I read the theory that the island could be Eden... which really intrigued me...

However... this just left me wondering Eden or not... have we all forgotten about the Smoke monster... and the Polar Bear from the first season... what do they have anything to do with anything????????

Questions like these are what I get from rewatching the beginning seasons with my friend who I am getting slowly addicted to Lost!!

GIRL239---

By the way if you are still here... I am liking your list you complied... and I was about to tell you that you can't include Ana Lucia but I just read someone else already did that... because of the whole Hurley thing... now I can't wait to figure it out... and I also have no idea or recollection of the last few... must have blanked them out

10:49 (from the couch) I thought you said John talked to Jacks dad last week in the cabin. (from the chair) I did. (from the couch) But he's dead. (from the chair) Yep. (from the couch after long pause) oh. (from the chair) just roll with it like the rest of us. Did i mention Claire might be dead too? (from the couch after long pause) oh for christ's sake.

LIT- I always enjoy your posts and thoughts. They're always well thought out and you bring a great insight to this thread. In fact, I try to wade through everything to see what you think each week! lol

I like your thoughts of a time loop- that also jumped out at me last night when Faraday was looking through his book and found info on the Orchid Station.

I don't know about Keamy being a double (triple?) agent, I thought his orders were to bring in Linus alive. What good would he be if he were dead. I think that Widmore is after him for his knowledge.

Regarding the screencap, I've heard rumors that Desmond came very close to being an O7... so take that as you will. It gives me hope that he won't die on the freighter.

PS- my friend Kelly calls the eyeliner that Richard wears "guyliner"- so genius!!

To LIT

Farraday was not in a flash forward he was in 2 different flashbacks 1) seeing the report that 815 has perished and 2) during Desmond’s flash back he went to go see Farrady (before he went to the Island). #1 happened after #2 but there was now way for Farraday to know at that time that flight 815 and the island were related so that is why he didn’t’ know why he was crying. The question is HOW did Farraday come by all his information that was in that book? Perhaps the book was the Black Rock Captain’s log?

As for Nikki and Paulo I think they were just there to tell the story of the spider whose venom makes people appear dead. Like maybe Christian?

RENE----

HILARIOUS... I had that exact same conversation last week... only not from the chair and the couch... it was on the phone with my friend Corey... who had missed the episode... not to mention... when she asked what did Christian say for Jacob... and I said... Move the Island... she paused and went OH... well that won't be too difficult... and all I could say was hey it is LOST for pete's sake!!

Lyndsey Z Sorry to hear that you are sick.

I don't know what to think about the spare expendable Losties. Why do they need them for the cover story? Hopefully we wil find out in the finale. It would seem like it'd have to be 2 people from the mid section. That's where Jack was right? Rose maybe? I can't remember if Girl239 had her on the list, I'll go back and look ...

GLEE---

We have all been talking about what a waste Nikki and Paulo were... but some of us were hoping they would tie back as maybe dead people or something... but I forgot who said it... maybe girl239... read somewhere that the writers of Lost realized how stupid Nikki and Paulo were and they didn't want to revisit it... but if they aren't listed among the dead then I love your idea about them showing how the venom works...

WRITERS OF LOST: Please Give me SOMETHING ANYTHING... THROW ME A BONE with Nikki and Paulo... keep the story purposeful and tight and I will never complain again!!

Isn't it fun to introduce someone to LOST, Lyndsey Z? I got my husband into it last month when I went and re-watched every episode again. I have to say, I'm TERRIBLE to watch it with cause everytime something significant happens I'm staring at him, wide-eyed, dying for some sort of reaction. Or asking him, "did you hear that? did you see that?" He can't watch an episode without some sort of commentary from me! He puts up with it though :)

JENN---

It would be sad to think it was Rose or Bernard... they have been through so much and I love both those characters... I kinda hoped she would stay safe on the island with Locke and those types... who are healthier and happier there... but who knows...

P.S. That "ability of the island to keep people healthy" is another thing to add to the list of things... (including polar bears and smoke monsters and mysterious magnitism that needs to be reset but then goes away forever)... all of which we ignore when trying to analyze what or why the island is!!

WOW! Late getting on here today and over 200 posts so sorry I don't have time to read through them all if I repeat other's comments.

Think that Sayid makes a deal to work for Ben to make sure that Kate gets off the island?

Thinking also that the other "2" that don't make it back are going to be Michael and Jin. I had really hoped that Jin was alive but I think they are going to die in explosion. Could Desmond be responsible for the explosion?? Hate to go there but he did stay behind when Sayid left. Maybe didn't have anything to do with Penny?

This doesn't seem like a big deal but did anyone else notice the pilot holding up the rabbits foot he was carrying for good luck because of "who was on the flight" and then when Hurley's dad pulled out the car keys for Hurley's B'day the keychain had the exact same rabbits foot?

LOSTMI----

You sound a whole heck of a lot like me... I do the same thing waiting for their response... it is like watching someone open a present on Christmas that you have spent lots of time, money, and energy planning for them to get... you just can't wait for their reaction... and then when they ask WHY did this happen or WHAT does that have to do with anything or WHO is that.... you want so badly to tell them... but instead you just stay quiet and it kills me... but I love it... you should have seen my best friend with the polar bears and the smoke monster... I don't think she has gotten to the Hatch yet... but I can't wait for that... plus it helps me put things together from new episodes too!!!

I guess I'm just not convinced that they bring back any bodies with them. In that case, it could be anybody, except Ana Lucia, as was already mentioned. I can't wait to put it all together (smoke monster, healing island only for some people, time travel, polar bears in Tunisia, I could go on), but at the same time, what will I do with my life? I guess I will have to actually do work!

Some questions,
Hurley had a bag of cluck chicken last night - didnt it get hit with a meteor?
And why did Cheech give a funny look when Hurley said he didnt want any of his lottery money back. I suppose it's all spent now?
On Lostpedia, Hurley's boss at the chicken shack was a guy named Randy who fired Hurley for eating an 8 peice chicken combo. A short time later, this same Randy was Locke's boss at Hurley's box company in California.
Funny how everything and everyone is related somehow.

Man, if something bad happens to Desmond and Penny finds out that he father had his hand in this whole debackle she is going to make Sun's verbal bitch slapping look soft.

I think the producers say in interviews that Nikki & Paulo's story line was a 'mistake'.

On a completely different note; sorry I have to get this in. I haven';t heard it in any of the discussions & I just heard it myself. I'm watching season 3 now. I just watched "Left Behind" In the end there is a scene where Juliet is making camp with the Losties on the beach. She recalls a conversation she & Ben had; 'he says let's go over it again' then she tells him what she's going to do & he says 'we activated the chip in Claire. She should be getting symptomatic soon....' It reminded me of it first of all & I also reminded me of all the suspicion of Juliet during Jack's operation.

WHAT CHIP IN CLAIRE??

if my wording is off, excuse me, I'm in a hurry!

gotta go. will check back.

It's that "keep people healthy" thing about the island that, IMO, lends credit to my Eden theory. Eden is a place without death but that would punish sinners. So the sick and infirm who are pure of heart (Locke, Rose) would be healed. Because Eden is where Ged created man, no children could be born there. Is Ben Cain and Locke able (or vice versa)? People have stumbled across this island and tried to control it or make it theirs but they can't. It also explain why it is unplottable, because mankind isn't supposed to be there at all. That would make Jacob an angel of some kind, left by God to protect the island and its secrets.

I think Hurley's father may have inherited the money when they thought Hugo was dead and therefore wouldn't have to worry about giving it back ESPECIALLY when Hugo and the other Losties who made it back got hellified payoffs from Oceanic (which I'm surprised NO ONE turned down)

ME TOO---

I noticed the same thing about the rabbit's foot... and it seems to me we have seen it somewhere else before... because even in the beginning when the pilot had it I was already thinking why is that significant to me... glad I am rewatching it with a friend maybe I will catch it... could it have been on the key chain for the van that Ben's dad drove or something like that???

But yeah you already missed the discussion about the extra people who didn't make it on the island after they got off the plane... but we decided it was 3 people not 2 because they said 8 survived the plane and Aaron wasn't born yet so he wouldn't be considered in that 8... so that leaves the 5 and 3 more who made it off... and we were already hypothesizing who they could be and why they are important...

As far as your Sayid comment... I don't think he has anything to do with Kate getting off... I think they all get on the helicopter... which we saw is going to be low on fuel and then I think Sawyer is going to jump after kissing Kate to ensure she makes it... and maybe ask her to look up Clementine... or something like that... as far as Sayid I think since Ben guilted him by saying remember what happened last time you made a decision with your heart... or something like that... I think Sayid is going to do something he thinks is right and will help people in the end of this season that will end up blowing up in his face and doing more harm than good... and that is why he works for Ben because of that guilt and then Nadia being killed... remember he runs into Ben in the future and looks at him funny asking how he got off the island!!

If Paulo and Nikki were a mistake - why did they have them go out in such a particular and spectacular way and take an entire episode to do it? I'm still hoping the "I see dead people" spider plays into this somehow.

I think it is relevant that Locke got sent to the island by Abaddon and not by Richard Alpert. Obviously Locke has powers with the island but not the ability to control his own use of them. That is why Hurley said they shouldn't have gone with Locke. Something catastrophic must happen.

Doritoes-

I think the chicken place is a chain, so Hurley could get the chicken from an other restaurant.

Also, Hurley owned the box company (or a majority of shares) where Locke worked before the crash- maybe he put his old manager in there b/c he felt bad he was out of a job b/c of the meteor.

I am an idiot today. The Eden theory was posted by me, not Lyndsey. that is what happens when I try to respond to specific people, i put their name in the wrong spot! My bad.

Hee hee, a friend at work did that once, was bitching to me about a coworker and because she was thinking of him when she wrote it, she put his name in the send to line instead of mine and it went straight to him!

Kat: I just watched "Left Behind" the other night and you're right...they did say they had just activated the chip in Claire so she should be showing symptoms about the time Juliette gets there. It was Ben's way of getting the Losties to trust Juliette so she could continue to spy on them and get samples from all of the women to see if any of them were pregnant.

Me Too: I watched the episode twice and I'd have sworn that the co-pilot was rubbing a worry stone with his thumb, not a rabbit's foot. I didn't pay attention to the keychain Hurley's dad gave him at all, but now you've got me wondering.

Now I've gotta watch those parts again!

Whoa the LYNDSEY comment at 12:02 PM isn't me.. I don't know if it was someone trying to respond to me and who made a mistake... but yeah not me...

Its a common name, theres probablymore than 1 Lyndsay (lyndsey) posting....

When I saw the numbers in Hurley's car, I got sick to my stomach. I was literally nauseous. There haven't even been that many real life experiences I've had that produced that sort of physical/emotional reaction.

Great episode. I can't wait for the finale!

JANELLE---

Would have loved to take credit for it... I love your theory... I just hope it all comes out making that much sense... Eden would be wonderful but my problem comes in with the other weird things... like what about the smoke monster and the magnetic stuff... I am glad I am not a writer for Lost cause just like Lucille Ball: They've got some splain'n to do!!

Yep, Lyndsey, you are right about the keychain to the VW bus. It also had a rabbit's foot.

Hmmmm....!!

DANA---

I love when they tie things together like that... and HMMM is exactly right... what could it mean!?!

Would someone please tell me whatever happened to the flight attendant and the children who were taken in the beginning?

T----

Oh wow... ummm didn't they kill the flight attendant off in front of one of the other side of the island crash victims... and that is why they were so against the Others.... but I think they Others kept the children as their own since they can't have any... and I could be even more mistaken but I seem to remember Ben referencing them later and saying something like they will be happy here and loved in a family... they won't remember any of it eventually or they will adjust and be happy eventually... or something else that seemed very creepy...

Anyone else remember anything??

Just watched the Orchid Orientation film again...switched the shift to -20? What could that mean? I wonder what John is going to do down there??? I can't wait two weeks.

T----

Oh wow... ummm didn't they kill the flight attendant off in front of one of the other side of the island crash victims... and that is why they were so against the Others.... but I think they Others kept the children as their own since they can't have any... and I could be even more mistaken but I seem to remember Ben referencing them later and saying something like they will be happy here and loved in a family... they won't remember any of it eventually or they will adjust and be happy eventually... or something else that seemed very creepy...

The last time I remember for sure that they showed the kids was in the jungle when the one was pulling something like a bear on a string or something like that....

Can anyone else help... remember anything??

T----

Oh wow... ummm didn't they kill the flight attendant off in front of one of the other side of the island crash victims... and that is why they were so against the Others.... but I think they Others kept the children as their own since they can't have any... and I could be even more mistaken but I seem to remember Ben referencing them later and saying something like they will be happy here and loved in a family... they won't remember any of it eventually or they will adjust and be happy eventually... or something else that seemed very creepy...

The last time I remember for sure that they showed the kids was in the jungle when the one was pulling something like a bear on a string or something like that....

Can anyone else help... remember anything??

The kids and the flight attendant are living with the Others. You see them together in the episode in which the Others are camping out in the middle of a clearing while Locke's dad is tied to that pillar. The flight attendant even makes a comment about how they were waiting on Locke to get there.

Didn't the flight attendant and children visit Jack when he was in the cage?

WOW sorry about that multiple post thing don't know what happened!!! SORRY!!

Yes, they did visit him when he was in the cage on their way to Juliette's trial.

I knew I remembered them being happy with the Others... but how could I have blanked on the flight attendent thing... I don't remember anything about her in the episode with Locke's dad?!

I haven't seen this yet on this board, but on Lostpedia they said that the 108th day would fall on Jan. 8th, 2005 or 08-01-05 or 815. Pretty, pretty, pretty clever (in my best Larry David impression)

I heard that there's a website with major scene by scene spoilers out there, so be careful what you read from now on if you want to enjoy the season finale. The spoilers are bound to find thier way into other sites.

and to add to it, the sum of the numbers are 108...

eeew...I hate spoilers! I don't even like watching the previews for the next episode!

I know Abbadon didn't make an appearance this episode, but his name kept ringing a bell with me. I finally remembered where I'd read it: the name Abbadon appeared in a supernatural murder-mystery written by Marion Zimmer Bradley so I decided to look its meaning. Turns out Abbadon means a few things, and none all that pleasant:

Abaddon is the name of a demon, or the Devil himself. Abaddon has also been identified as the angel of death and destruction, demon of the abyss, and chief of demons of the underworld hierarchy, where he is equated with Samael or Satan. In magic and alchemy, Abaddon is the Destroying Angel of the Apocalypse

Abbadon also means "place of destruction", or the realm of the dead, and is associated with Sheol. Abaddon is also one of the compartments of Gehenna.[1] By extension, it can mean an underworld abode of lost souls, or hell. In some legends, it is identified as a realm where the damned lie in fire and snow, one of the places in Hell that Moses visited.

With the producers using such a unusual name for this character, and given how the show developing, I can't bring myself to believe there isn't a good reason for naming this character Abbadon.

Okay don’t we have to say that the (O6) is saved by Whitmore. At the press conference there is an elaborate story with what happened with the survivors. I don’t see Tubs, I mean Sayid, and Jack sitting there with a map saying will go to this island and then this one. I think were going to see Jake make a terrible deal with Whitmore after Whitmore kills off two regulars like, Jin, or Sawyer. That’s why the rest of the survivors are sort of pissed at Jake and not his best bud anymore. I can see a gun to Sawyers head, and Sawyer tells Kate to do that little thing for him that pisses Jake off in the future. This could also be the point where Hurley and Jack officially stop there jock/fat kid friendship. Whitmore is the only person who has tried to hide the island with the fake plane crash; so it would stand to reason he wouldn’t want any loose lips about the fact it exists. Also really quick Blackrock / four toe statue theory. Has the island moved before? When the island moves again will we see the other half of this statue? Maybe the island moved and the Black Rock ended up underneath it?

I've got a question that hopefully someone can answer...Desmond entered the numbers for all of those years to balance the magnetic current or whatever it was. When he nearly missed pushing the button one day, the plane crashed. When they stopped pushing it, the people in Antartica got a signal. So, why can't anyone see the island now? I know Desmond turned the key so wouldn't it be safe to assume that turning the key deactivated the magnetic field? After three years, I'm still not understanding that part of the show.

OMG! The white rabbits foot is everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am watching as I type!

Aside from the fact that Petey called Jack 'Jake' about a zillion times in his post, he brought up something really interesting... suppose the island moved before? Could it have crashed into the ocean on top of the Black Rock (which was at sea and now is in the center of an island)?

To me, Ben saying that moving the island is a last resort option and highly dangerous would make sense... you don't know exactly where you'll land and who you might kill/squash/disrupt in the process! Somehow (but I still don't know how) this explains why Charlotte finds the remains of a polar bear in the Saharan Desert!

I think over periods of time, the lost producers start a new theory or plot then they abandon it because its just not interesting or they changed thier minds about the future of the show. Originally the show was just supposed to be a little mini-series (I forget the correct term)but then it became so popular that here we are looking forward to 6 seasons total. For example, originally Richard Alpert wasnt supposed to be such a key player because he was on another show that recently got cancelled. But the show's writers had enough smarts to grab him back up and integrate him into the final episodes. So, what I'm trying to say, is that there are so many plots, like the Claire "chip" thing, the spider bite (although by the way if you look on Lostpedia at screen pics of Farraday's log, he drew a big black insect/spider on one of his pages) and countless other scenes that seemed important back then but wont be re-visited in the future. I'm fine with that. If I have to recall something that happened 3 years ago and tie it into today, it becomes less fun for me.
Can anyone else remember storylines that should stay "lost"?

LIT---

Maybe the polar bears from the island... which are mayeb there from the island being in the arctic before.... or maybe because of all the animals being there at one point (Janelle's theory of Eden I believe)... and back to the moving theory... then the island was moved to the Desert during which the polar bears roamed there... and then it was moved again... If that at all makes sense

Maybe the other toe is where the island used to be...they moved the island before but the toe was a casuality of the move!!!!

KAT---

Where else is the rabbit's foot... besides in the pilot's hand at the beginning for good luck... and then on Hurley's key chain for their car that was made over... and as I said earlier I believe I remember it on that key chain for the VW bus that Ben's dad drove... I am intrigued... where all did you see it???

So fun reading everyone's thoughts and ideas, but I have to tear myself away now and pack to go "up north" for the weekend. (Not for fun yet - going to get the family cottages all clean and fresh for the summer season - fun will happen next weekend, hopefully!)

Will really miss being a part of the discourse :( Have fun without me!

And figure out what's up with all those rabbit feet 8^}

The bears were there for testing.

Rabbit foot keys:

I searched for rabbit foot key chains on lostpedia and found this funny picture.

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:3x10-vincent-arm.jpg

Too bad he doesnt make it off the island!

Ok, I actually sat here and read almost every single line of all the comments for a change and I am wondering about a few things:

1. How did Claire's mom end up at the wake for Christian when, just a short time before, she had been in a full-blown coma/vegetative state? Even if she came out of the coma right after Claire left, there is no way that she could be up and moving around as if nothing happened because she was in the coma well before the time that Claire became pregnant. Did she have a miraculous healing like Juliet's sister?

2. I don't know if Richard is ageless but I think something is definately going on to extend the life span of the people living on the island which would explain the pictures that Richard showed Juliet of a uterus of a 27 year old woman that looked like it belong to a woman in her 80s. Maybe the bodies don't age the same but the repoductive organs do?

3. The time travel thing in a way makes sense if you only consider Faraday's journal. After Desmond's "trips" during The Constant...and considering the rat, and the fact that every time Daniel looks at his journal he seems to discover something new written inside, which could mean that he is doing little "jaunts" like Desmond and entering new information each time. Since he has the journal with him, it could actually be his constant instead of Desmond.

As far as Jack getting mad about Kate doing something for Sawyer and yelling that Sawyer chose to stay behind and that he was the one that saved her......Jack has a God complex. No matter how much he wants to deny being a "leader", he had a built in need to "save" everybody...no matter if they need it or not and it makes sense to me that he would be the one taking credit for getting those 6 people off the island. (Of course I do HATE him).

I'm forgetting something but I'm tired..LOL.

I am not a big believer of the Wizard of Oz parallels but moving the island feels a lot like the house ending up in Oz in The Wizard of Oz to me. Just sayin. Thank you Come On hours ago with trying to shut down the what does Aaron eat and where does he poop line of discussion. Have we seen anyone go to restroom? No but we know they do. We have seen them eat but only rarely and then only to show the Dharma food they are eating. But yet we still know they eat. And the size of the baby- how many times have we seen on ER or any other TV show (including Ji Yeon) a woman giving birth to a baby we all know is 6 months old? Having said all that I cried at the beginning and at the end was screaming at Claire's mom to say her name "Say Claire!" What are we going to do for the next two weeks?

All of a sudden this morning, as I reflected on last night's ep, the whole time travel thing started to pang around in my head again. Are the Others survivors of that pirate ship, per chance? Richard was the captain? I'm all messed up.

From next week's preview, is Locke showing Jack his presumptive future if he leaves the island? Is the Orchid a conduit for time-travel?

And, the flashforwards are great, but I still preferred the flashbacks - they were better developed. All of the flashforwards kind of indicates that the "survivors of Oceanic" are really messed up psychologically or hell bent on revenge. I want more texture and development in their characters. I'll be pissed if I've been hooked on these characters to find out that they all just turn out to be a bunch of nutbag losers in the future. Talk about Paradise Lost!

The line of the night, from Hurley's mom "Jesus Christ is not a weapon. Now, enjoy your party." Beautiful.

Yep, thought so too on key chain for VW van. Other places too Kat?? Interesting... Must mean something.

Yeah, I forgot about Jack telling Kate that he had saved her so forget my theory on Sayid.

Still think that Michael and Jin are killed in blast on ship however.

Definitely think that Kate heard about Claire being Jack's sister and so knows Aaron is his nephew. That reason why Jack doesn't want to go to Kate's house? Too much pain when he looks at Aaron? But something changes that. What??? So many questions. LOL

MY TWO CENTS---

If any of the storylines get ignored I would think that the Claire chip thing would... because that seemed to be more about the woman and pregnancy thing on the island... which is more of an overall plot that I would be disappointed if they ignored...

Some of the other storylines that I feel are distinctly Lost and need to be addressed by the writers in the end would be:
polar bear... black smoke... magnetic field... the numbers (how could anyone forget the numbers)... the ability of the island to heal people... the difference in time on the island and real life... black rock... of course the woman pregnancy things as I said above... Dharma... the Others... Richard and other's agelessness... the apparent time travel... Charles Widmore and his relevance... Walt and all the other seemingly weird dreams that people use to predict things... Aaron being raised by anyone but Claire... and of course all the personal character plots (they need to have neat and tidy not necessarily happy endings)... the ability to move the island...

I am sure there are some other I am overlooking because they have introduced to many... but right now the spider and chip are seeming pretty small in the long run... with how many things the writers have to tie together...

As I said... Like Lucille Ball: They have got some splain'n to do!!

LOL Dog with the rabbit foot!! Anyone remember what scene that was?? Was that how Hurley got the key to the van??

Lyndsey Z add rabbit foot to your list! FYI, I threw out that whole Paulo and Nikki idea out back when we first found out that there would be 6 surviors and 2 deaths. I didn't get any hooks either! LOL Now I'm with everyone else on that I don't think they are going to be important. Could be mistaken. Think Michael and Jin are going to be the 2. But again, could be mistaken!

I thought Claire's mom looked a little like Penny.

ME TOO and KAT---

That picture must have been of Ben's Dad's long since rotted dead mummified arm... which goes with the VW... but what about anywhere else... it has me wondering!!

ME Too - yep that is how

Lyndsey Z - I read on the numerous websites revolving around lost that the producers said "if fans are expecting the numbers to mean something in the end, they will be disappointed". They are joking, right?

ME TOO---

I think actually when we were discussing before we decided that there would be 3 instead of 2 that would have died... because 8 made it off the plane and the baby didn't count because it wasn't born until months after they escaped the plane so that would be the 5 and the baby that are the oceanic 6... and 8 minus 5 equals 3... but we could still be wrong since we are over analyzing things all the time...

P.S. Also... I realized how could I forget JACOB and his mysterious cabin on my list... if they don't explain that craziness they might make me go crazy!!

Okay got ya. 3????? No clue on this end. They MUST explain Jacob's cabin. Got to run and fix dinner. Definitely check in later.

I'M LOST----

I swear to you they better be joking... on my list of things... and I believe on most people's list of things... that they want explained about Lost in the end... the numbers have to be high up there... and I mean HIGH....

They better have at least a semi-plausible explaination of the numbers... cause they keep on using them... they made them all add up to 108... they used them for the car's odometer in the last episode... if they were pointless... then they should have abandoned them long ago...

That saddens me that you read that cause seriously I might scream and rip my hair out if they aren't joking... a lot of people will be disappointed... I think they will want to be on strike again when I am done with them if that is the case... or hey maybe they should have used their vacation on the strike to come up with an amazing earth-shattering meaning for the numbers so I don't want to hurt them!! LOL

maybe they are just trying to throw us off. I mean you guys are great at figuring this out. i am in awe of some of the theories and sometimes feel like must be watching a different show.

The flight attendants name was "Cindy. She was kidnapped by the OTHERS when Anna Lucia and the tallies were heading to the Losties beach.
She seemed like she spent some time in room 23 because she has totally looked brain washed ever since. And FYI she was engaged to one of the passengers on flight 815. He was the guy that got sucked into the engine on the beach. Anyway he wrote the play that Sawyer was reading on the beach. Remember, Jack threw it in the fire because Sawyer wasn't moving fast enough for him. Boy is he a jealous dude.

I have a theory why Kate passes Aaron off as hers.

She has to. She and Sun are the only women to survive so one of them had to "give birth" on the island and with Sun being Korean I think Kate had to. They couldn't leave Aaron behind and he doesn't get to choose for himself to stay or not.

They have used those numbers for SO MANY things, they wont be able to address them all, maybe thats what they were saying. Even last night, the crackers being 15 years old. Could be a coincidence that one of the numbers is 15, and the numbers on the Coast Gaurd plane added up to one of them, they are just so many times in the show. I hope they at least address the lottery #s, and why they were on that first hatch they discovered, and now the odometer. I guess ultimately they just follow Hurley around.

I finally looked at the screen grab and the guy is definitely wearing headphones and a patch on his arm and I'm guessing a flight suit so he's just a crew member.

Did anyone notice how Jack's Mom looked so much like Kate( in about 25 years) I am so hung up on this. And I have to say that Aaron is a gigantic 5 week old baby! He even holds his head up like a 6 month old...Why don't Kate and Jack want to tell Clair's mother she has a grandson? What a way to honor Clair! I guess that's where alot of his guilt about Aaron comes in.

i'm lost - I've actually heard the exact opposite about the numbers. I've heard they ARE going to let us in on the significance of them.

There's sooooooooo much out there about LOST...who really knows.

All I know is personally, I don't need every single thing answered. I can't imagine they will tie it up in a nice bow for us at the end. But a lot will be answered. Enough to satisfy.

more later....every time I catch up, there's more!
great stuff guys.

CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM!

Remember leeza they have to stick to their story. If they tell Claires mom the truth, she is going to want custody of Aaron. How would they explain that? They are stuck :( Since Kate is high profile O6, people are going to be watching her and Aaron.

I have several thoughts and none of them seem to intersect and thereby explain away ANYTHING, but I have been thinking this is a game between good and evil. In my thought (which is not at ALL thought out, just stream of consciousness writing here people), Richard represents godliness and Abbadon represents evil (people have given us zillions of references to his name).

Several things support this idea, the first one jumping out is that ageless Richard visits young Locke and is dismayed when Locke chooses a weapon instead of the Book of Laws... Abbadon also visits Locke and pushes him in his wheelchair for the stairs (not real nice) and ultimately says he went on a walkabout and 'found himself' and that he is 'a lot more than an orderly' and that someday Locke will 'owe him'.

The triangle between Locke, Richard, and Abbadon is quite interesting. Remember it was Richard who appealed to Locke to read Sawyer's file and have his father killed?

Anyways... I don't know where and how Widmore fits into this unless that its a triangle game (just like we've seen with chess and Ben's references to 'changing the rules') between man vs. god. vs. devil.

I like the idea that the island is Eden. It has been proven by Richard's agelessness and the curing of inherently good people that it is truly the Fountain of Youth. In the power struggle between good and evil, Eden will be lost forever to man (represented by Whidmore and his wealth) and forever destroyed?

While we are talking about Locke's father... someone refresh my memory...yes Sawyer did ultimately kill him because of what he did to his parents... and Locke led him there and let him because of all the things he did to him.... but how did he get on the island... maybe I am having a brain fart.. I don't know?!

I just looked up Richard Alpert. The Real Richard Alpert is quite a guy- here, taken from Wikipedia:

Dr. Richard Alpert (born April 6, 1931), also known as Baba Ram Dass, is a contemporary spiritual teacher who wrote the 1971 bestseller Be Here Now. He is well-known for his association with Timothy Leary at Harvard University in the early 1960s, both having been dismissed from their professorships for experiments on the effects of psychedelic drugs on human subjects. He is also known for his travels to India and his association with the Hindu guru Neem Karoli Baba.

The spiritual leader of India gave him the name Baba Ram Dass which means "servant of God"

We know that names are all important in Lost, so I think my earlier post about Richard (good) v Abbadon (evil) might mean something. Now lets hunt up something about Whidmore...

the box that ben told john about in season 3. anything you wish for will be in the "box"

The Box... is that your answer on how Locke's father got on the island... cause that is not something I am remembering... but something else I wish I understood and will probably never be explained so I won't add it to my list... *sigh*

You have:
Richard ("servant of god", good)
Abaddon ("the devil, satan", evil)
Jacob (guy in the bible with lots of sons)
Christian (I guess his name would mean Christ person)

then Ben and Locke

so who are the bad guys and who works for who?

DOES ANYONE ELSE WISH... that when we responded to someone on here we could click a button under their post and all the related topics would stay together... it would be sooo much less confusing to me... cause I would know who is answering me and who is not... and I wouldn't have to look for my name... and also when people have general input or theories they would be together... I don't know just some times I think it would keep straight who said what... Just wondering what you all think?!

okay...forgive me for jumping in w/o reading all the comments, but omg, there are so many! i'll catch up but I have a quick question/comment:

did anyone else notice the resemblance b/w jacks mom and kate....it was weird! kinda freaked me..

also, i know i saw another man in the plane w/ our losties. ms decker, the oceanic rep, clearly nods and mouths a greeting to a man sitting in the back....i rewatched and it is crystal clear...but the O6 don't seem aware of his presence, or don't care? i mean, they talk @ sticking to their story like he's not there! idk

thought/theories?

lyndsey Z - i went back and looked it is in season 3 "the man from tallahassee". John is locked up and Ben comes to the "cell" and tell john about the box. They then go to the box and it is slowly open to reveal Locke's dad. The question is - why would john wish to see his dad?

oops i'm lost at 4:27 forgot my name.

I would imagine Charlie would be one of the 2 that they say died on the island, since he communicated with Penny. Not sure who else though.
I really hope Desmond doesn't die when the C4 explodes

who could have had the time to move that much c4 on the boat with out being noticed? no way michael could have hidden that or anyone else for that matter.

Lyndsey Z, yeah that would make it a lot eaiser. Does get confusing.

Monkeyface - just rewatched the first part and ms. decker definitely looks at SOMEONE we can not see and nods and does mouth a hello. Maybe this person is why the 6 look so terrified? Sun says they are in shock. In shock because of whoever that is?

Side note. Did anyone catch Josh (Sawyer) on Jimmy Kimmel last night? OMG! Dimples are so deep! LOL You can go to the website and watch the interview. Also, Kate from night before. Back to Josh, he says when he found out he wasn't part of the 6 he went home very peeved kicking cans around the house! LOL Thought he was off for sure. Doesn't know now but says glad to still be filming jungle scenes as he likes being dirty. Also he and family going to CO over the summer and then house hunting in Montana.

okay, after reading some comments, i see that i was not alone in thinking how freaky it was that kate and jacks mom looked alike.

i have to wonder who the other passenger is w/ the O6. they don't seem to care that he overhears their conversation, odd. Unless it is Ben?

If Desmond gets blown up in a C4 explosion, I am sending Smokey after the writers!

Michael Emerson is on TVGuide channel!

My husband is in Siddha Yoga and knows that "108" is an important spiritual number...especially that there are 108 beads on a mala used for japa (mantra repetition)and that this number is important in a lot of spiritual traditions. Check out this link
Thoughts?

I'M LOST ---

I think you are who responded to my question and answered the Box... okay so he wished for his father and that was the box... but you want to know why John wanted to see his father... I want to know what the hell is the Box!!!

oops! The link to spiritual meanings of the number 108 didn't make the trip. it is

LZ..check out this link about the magic box. no spoilers, but some insight from Darlton

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Magic_box

I particularly love the line, "the box is a metaphor, john"...ben gets the best lines

oops again! the link for the spiritual meanings of 108 didn't travel again. Go to www.Swamiji.com or google 108 beads and it will be one of the sites. Thanks for your patience.

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MONKEYFACE---

Nice link... but still doesn't explain exactly how these people and things get on the island... which I am guessing will be revealed when we figure out just exactly how Ben does and know what it is that he does... cause I am sure it will be a doozy!!

sug:

Religious references
The project the Swan Station was built for is called "The DHARMA Initiative". The word "Dharma" means "moral duty", and the number 108 is very important in Buddhist and Hindu mythology; Namaste and many other recurring themes also follow from the same religious traditions. To many Buddhists, there are 108 sins (or "defilements") of mankind. It is for this reason that New Year's celebrations, such as those in Japan, feature ringing a bell 108 times as well as one possible reason most Buddhist prayer beads (mala) have 108 individual beads. Gods in Hinduism are said to each have 108 names.

There are two seasons left of Lost after this one, am I correct? If so, I don't think them getting to the freighter now is how they get off the island. (All those explosives on there....Im guessing the thing is gonna blow) Everyone on here keeps commenting on how the Oceanic 6 were all split up last night and how do they end up back together to get off the island.....if there are 2 seasons left, they couldn't possibly be getting off the island now cuz then what will happen in the next 2 seasons? I'm sure they won't show us how they get off until the last season, so I think this is just a teaser, making us think they are getting off but they aren't.

And about Aaron....when they get rescued, they have been on the island for 108 days, (108 again, weird) well 108 days in the real world time, who knows how many days that is in island time. Claire didn't have him until they had been on the island for at least a few weeks. So technically, Aaron is still supposed to be a newborn. I have always thought the baby/babies that play Aaron are WAY too big for his age, but like someone said before, I think they have to do that cuz an older baby won't be as fragile and wont cry as much. I'm sure it's rather difficult to find people that will let strangers go traipsing through jungles and such with their newborn baby. I think we are just supposed to pretend that Aaron is still a new baby. It does get confusing though, because the show has been on for 4 years now, but they have only been on the island for a few months. This screws me up a lot, I feel like they have been on the island for years now. I don't know how people can watch 24, that show would just totally mess me up!

Monkey face--good job with the box/metaphor i knew my answer wasn't complete just heading in the right direction to which episode.

LZ....imo, ben and his merry band of others kidnapped anthony cooper (in particular idk @ the losties)...they did it to gain control over locke and further their mind control over him.
they had his file and knew of his daddy issues...what better way to knock a confident locke down, cuz john was pretty smug about the island healing him and not ben, which was already driving ben nuts

but, check out this...i think you'll like these other theories, may help you with your own...btw, i love lostpedia

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Magic_box/Theories

Thanks, anonymous, for your response re: spiritual meanings of 108. I realize that once again I put in the wrong site for the different meanings of 108...hmmm, could just typing those numbers be the same as repeating the mantra on prayer beads thus bringing a renewal...

Another thing about Kate and Aaron. I think she says he's hers because unless Claire is one of the 2 that survived the initial crash then Aaron wouldn't have survived either. So to the public Aaron can't be Claire's. Also, maybe they don't want people to think it's Claire's so they can take her away from the O6 who could just be looking after him until Claire returns/gets off the island/whatever happens to everyone else.

Kate says Aaron is 5 weeks. Lostpedia puts his birth on Nov 1st and the O6 are rescued sometime soon after Christmas so she's only fudging a few weeks. I wouldn't worry about the age of how he looks...they cast who they cast...I would focus on the timeline.

And yeah, I always wonder how he eats but the island was full of pregnant women so maybe Claire grabbed a can of Similac from the barracks before they left :-)

i'm lost...you were definitely on the right path

so, what was up w/ ben: was he being selfless by surrendering to Keamy or could keamy be working for ben all along????

others have posted and i'm sure the device strapped to his arm is the detonator for the bomb on the ship. ben's evil plan all along? and it just went wrong cuz keamy may not KNOW ben is his "real" boss, and alex's death was a tragic consequence for ben..i know, i'm rambling again!

ben selfless? lol

thanks everyone for your thoughts. i had never been on before today and it was great (although i got absolutely nothing accomplished) can't wait to see what happens in two weeks!!!!!

Hey monkeyface & all! There are so many new names popping up...I'm not sure who's who anymore. Having said that I must say this:
CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM

ok onto the business at hand.

Ben introduced himself to Keamy when Keamy walked up to him at the Orchid. Wouldn't Keamy already know who he is? If he hasn't met him in person, at least by photo. Why did Ben say, I'm Benjamin Linus, I believe you're looking for me."...well DUH!

Also, we know now that Keamy & Daniel have previous knowledge of the Orchid...........WHY???????

Not done reading everything yet, but will continue...

Also, did I mention I'm not liking the whole 'Kate gave birth to Aaron' thing. The more I think about it, the more it makes me mad!

kat...hey there! i dont think keamy KNOWS ben is his boss...he could honestly think he is working for whidmore...for all we know, he is supposed to take ben alive...ben pulling the strings, b/c "he always has a plan"... another thing that has been making me think...how does daniel know about the secondary protocol? it was sealed and locked in a safe that required 2 keys to access. doesn't make sense unless he is in much deeper than we have been shown. or, maybe, he is time skipping and already knows about the orchid from past experience?
head hurting.....

im lost..lol on the selfless comment. it felt wrong typing it.

I don't think that Ben is Keamy's boss. Keamy works for Widmore as far as I can tell.

349 comments & i'm just now catching up. omg

love the episode. love the FFs/FBs, doesn't matter

daniel, great catch on the screen shot. who could it be?

after rewatching a few thoughts

the look on daniels face when monitoring keamy and crew on the phone, when they said orchid, his eyes almost popped out of his head

charlotte really seemed sad when daniel drove away on the little boat...awww, she really likes him

charlotte and daniel are much better additions than nikki/paulo...i read some of those comments and just scratched my head...huh?
nikki/paulo were acknowledged by the producers to be a mistake and i think we should just move on (but paulo was hot)

sawyer rocks. the way he and jack teamed up, how he was worried about hugo, notice, he called him "hugo", no nicknames
the look he and kate shared when he and miles came on them in the jungle
he should be O6...sigh i hope he has a story on island and it better be good or i will watch anyway!

mf, "it felt wrong typing it"
LOL

The guy in the shadows on the plane looks to be a coast guard officer. It also looks like he has the headphones of those up front to listen in on communications. This would explain why the O6 would be comfortable enough to talk to each other, since the other guy on board wouldn't be able to hear over the headphones and the noise of the plane.

mf, i'm w/ u

ben is behind this all
he wants control of the island & if he cant have it, noone can
whidmore may want the island for a completely diff. reason and may not know @ all the mysterious stuff. ben may want to keep it that way

but, ive been wrong b4..

the writers could make it work.

kat i totally agree @ kate. it isn't right she is claiming aaron. maybe they want to protect him and make sure he is watched over? kate seemed sad no one was at the airport for her, she held onto aaron tighter...her bond w/ him is growing every day. by the time jack moves in, she really seems to think he is hers and refers to him as her son
just makes me want/need to see what happens to claire
when her mom saw aaron & said he was beautiful and kate was all "i know", i almost got sick

tony, thank you. that is a plausible explanation

great, now i can move on to the next puzzle...where do i start?

too many choices!!

oh, i mentioned this in last weeks post, and it has been talked about many times before (right kat?)...but jack and sawyer would be great for a cop/buddy show. the sparks/friction/humor from the two of them interacting is great
sawyer makes it off the island and jack sobers up. they team up and work together fighting supernatural forces and solving crimes. in their spare time, they like long walks on the beach, pissing contests and vying for kates attention, by playing w/ aaron.

i thought it was kinda funny how kate took aaron right out of sawyer's hands when a few episodes back when claire asked her to pick him up she got uncomfortable and didn't touch him. when did she get all motherly??

anything w/ sawyer is good by me

they must be shirtless when taking their long walks on the beach, but jack would need to work out some

do they like pina coladas?

mike, i think even kate could see sawyer and jack yelling at each other were upsetting the baby...but it was pure kate all the way when jack told her to take care of the baby and go back to the beach. i don't think she bargained for that when she took aaron while sawyer and jack were arguing...she looked less than thrilled

i like the bonding at the airport scenario...think i may have mentioned it earlier. kate was sad and clutched aaron to her

gotta go...we're watching There's No Place Like Home again tonight..

catch y'all tomorrow.

sawyergrrl...your comment: it better be good or i'll watch any way!

LMAO

i'm outta here for now...namaste, you all everybody!

everyone keeps asking how Widmore would know where the orchid station is.

Who built all of these stations and buildings anyway? Dharma, right?

The Dharma initiative built the houses, and the different experiment stations for the work that they were doing. Isn't Widmore associated with Dharma? If he wasn't on the island before, he probably saw the plans for when Dharma built it all.

Now, whoever built "Ben's house" knew that there was a cave door with hyrogliphics, and a monster, underneath the house.

And they obviously built the orchid station over some time portal or something.

But these somewhat modern homes and labs and all were built by a group of people. Some of these people left blue-prints or plans or maps or something.

Widmore is a very rich guy who has his name and logo on half the stuff found on the island. (prenancy tests for example).

I say Widmore knows every inch of the island. He just can't find it since somebody moved it last time!

i just get here & (you all) everybody is leaving

you guys trying to tell me something?

just kidding! lol

ok. has anyone noticed how sawyer hasnt called the anyone nicknames lately? by anyone, i mean his fellow survivors, not ben/others/freighters/whatever

the ones he is close to, no nick names, since anthony cooper

Kat, I'm still trying to catch up, but wanted to mention, in case it hasn't already been pointed out... Brought the kids to see Speed Racer and 'Jack' (Matthew Fox) is in it (what a treat it was!) He looks fine as Racer X!!!(ironically, father issues). Good movie.. Back to good reads...

SHE SAID: ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Hey no one wants to comment on the possibility that the other two people who supposedly made it off the plane and then died on the island... why wouldn't they just say they were the only 5 who made it off unless the other two were important... any thoughts on who they were?!?

Like I said above I wonder if this is the tie in for the seemingly unimportant NIKKI AND PAULO...???????????

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Since you really want someone to answer! lol

No, Nikki and Paolo were a mistake. The producers introduced them, they didn't go over well, and they killed them off. End of story.

You guys, no offence, but I think a bunch of you need to go back and watch the last five episodes or so. Oceanic is NOT involved in the "story" that the losties make up... it's to save their friends like Rose from having to worry about other people finding the Island. Some people want to stay.

The guy in the pic that Daniel mentioned is a friggin crew member that opens the hatch for them... it's NOT Ben or MICHAEL or anyone else from the island.

Sometimes if you look TOO HARD you'll miss the real meaning.

A few thoughts...

1) Perhaps Widmore is hyper rich and powerful because he can time travel. (If we had tomorrow's newspaper, we'd all be pretty rich...)

2) Keamy and "changing the rules"... Regardless of who he is or was working for, perhaps he's figured out that working for himself as a time traveler has its financial perks.

3) Are the Lost Numbers the ultimate Constant?

4) Maybe several of the people on the island either knowingly or unknowingly time travel. Hence Daniel's crying jag when he saw the plane but didn't know why he was crying. Ben clearly has it down to a science, but others are probably not aware of what's happening despite the fact they're right there in the middle of it. Deja Vu on steroids!

5) Maybe I just need another martini... ;)

Great episode and a 2 week wait for the finale will probably kill me!!!!!!

OMG!!!! ENOUGH WITH THE KAT-CALLS TO CAM!!!!

HE'S LONG GONE.........

GET OVER IT ALREADY!!!!

No offense, but you guys are way off this week. My eyes were practically bleeding reading all the shite on here this week.

Go back to the drawing board!!

Start over!!!

Don't quit your day jobs!!

Before you post, at least read the blog first so everybody doesn't repeat the same crap like what happened this week.

There are so many repeat blogs here it's rediculous.

What a bunch of garbage.....

Lyndsey Z -
In addition to your list of storylines/questions needing resolution (I agree with them all) - I would add:
The "LIST" (of people that the Others were kidnapping, starting in season 1 I think) - who was on it/not on it and why; how did the Others get a list; why all the children (and what happened to them) on the list; what made a person "good" enough to be on the list; what happened to them when they were taken - are they all still wandering around the island with Richard; why have a list - what were they doing with the people they wanted and why not take some others? At first I thought it was a good person/bad person list - if you were good (or a child i.e. sinless) then were wanted on the list. If you were bad - (e.g. Ana Lucia, Eko,- all killed people in the real world) then not on the list, & not wanted by the Others. But there are some who I would consider good, that were not taken, ergo not on the list?

Also, (in the same vein) how does Ben get SO MUCH detailed and exact information about everyone (the files) - what is his connection in the "real" world that can comb all sorts of sources and databases to get this accurate documentation about everyone?

RE:rabbits' feet

Remember how young Ben had a pet white rabbit he seemed quite attached to when he was living at the DI? Co-incidence about the white rabbit feet keychains? Or maybe just another Alice in Wonderland tie in? Just a couple of thoughts...

WOAH there are so many comments! Janelle, I think you are right about "moving the island" meaning just creating a magnetic field that would screw up the compass. Makes sense with the numbers having to be punched in and planes crashing & all those shenanigans. Plus, it's more plausible. Good luck on your interview! Prayers will be comin' from the west!

If Nikki and Paolo came back I'd be pissed--they were stupid characters.

Just have to say: LOVED Sun's scene "I'm gonna have this baby and then I'm gonna ROCK this company!" (ahem, paraphrased) You go, girl!!

LOST IN BEND----

Those are all very good questions... and I think I already noted that I forgot Jacob's cabin... which not explained would be sad... but yeah the lists by Ben and his free-flowing information would be great to understand!

Although I have a strange feeling they are just going to tell us why he is there and what he has been doing and what his connections are etc. and never explain the full extent of it... but yeah I would love to know all that crazy business!!

ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE LIST?

LOSTEE----

WHOA... I completely forgot about the rabbit... weren't there some when he was younger... and then another one when he was older with Locke that had a number on it and he was asking about please don't tell me that the rabbit you are feeding me had this number on its back...

Now they are seeming more important than we realized... maybe they are doing testing on them to explain all the weird occurances like... agelessness... or pregnancy... or ultimate health and no illness... etc.

And while we are talking about it... I never thought about it before in any great depth... BUT WHY THE HECK WOULD BEN CARE ABOUT A RABBIT? He seemed too concerned with not eating it... he doesn't care about anything but the women he wants... Juliette and Alex... and then his other love the island... but RABBITS... That was a little un-Ben to be compassionate... any thoughts?

EVERYONE----- RE: NIKKI AND PAULO

OKAY... there was a lot of talking done about Nikki and Paulo... by me and many people... yes I realize that they were a mistake... as soon as I watched the episode I wanted to time travel back that hour and get my life back... they were horrible... but I hate that it seems like the writers are making certain things seem important and then abandoning them... they could easily write tiny endings to tie these plots/storylines together that they left open... like these three losties that were supposed to be left on the island... they could be anyone that died (except Ana Lucia that Hurley already denied knowing in a flashforward... and now Jin because at the press conference Sun said he didn't make it off the plane... and probably Claire cause her mom didn't seem to think Jack or anyone knew who she was except for that she flew with them... I am sure there are more that I am blanking on but you get the point)!!! This is their opportunity to end a few of the characters that they never plan on bringing back... or perhaps plan on pretending are dead as they live a happy life on the island... like Rose, Bernard, Locke, Sawyer, etc...

Just like most of you.... I really really really never care to see neither Nikki nor Paulo ever again... just the thought of it makes me vomit a little in my mouth (but I am really sick and bedridden right now so that might have something to do with it)!!

So to sum this ridiculous argument up... the question was not about Nikki and Paulo (yes their names were mentioned in it)... but mostly it was about the fact that I was wondering who the other 3 that they are saying stayed on the island who made it off the plane will be... cause in my opinion they didn't even need to say anyone but them got off the plane... so what is the purpose of saying the 8 got off and then 5 were left and Kate had a baby... Whomever made up the story (the Losties or Oceanic) I am not quite sure... if someone could clear that up too it would be great... but my real question is who will the other three be and why were they even mentioned!?!

P.S. Daniel asked this same question in the blog at 10:18... except when he said two... I believe he is wrong cause we all already discussed and believe it should be three... cause Aaron wasn't born yet to make it off the plane and be counted... he was "still in Kate"...

P.P.S. Whomever was ranting about the blog and no one reading it and just being over the top rude... (I believe it was PEOPLE PLEASE)--- Thanks for your lovely input about nothing except for your need to bitch... your sunny disposition was well needed... you remind me a lot of my ex... so you must be making someone extremely happy... the glass isn't always half empty... seriously cheer up!!!

To People.... PLEASE!! Need to seriouly chill. This blog is for EVERYONE to post their thoughts and theories. YOU might just learn something here. Ever cross your mind that you can't be RIGHT all the time. I rewatched the beginning several times and nothing points to the mystery man on the plane being the guy that opens the cargo door. The hatch door is automatic. If WE upset you so much feel free to LEAVE.

MY IGNORE BUTTON HAS BEEN PUSHED!

I'm glad I missed all that wonderful banter.

CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM!
:)

ME TOO and KAT----

I am with you on that one... I haven't been around long enough to know who Cam was... or why you are calling to him/her... I have read the blog but never really the posts until recently... and I never knew why you did that... but I can tell you when someone tells you not to do it... it makes me want to do it too... despite the fact that I have no clue what it means... I am out of the inside loop... lol

LOSTinSD - Thanks for the mention! I read about that! :)
My neice & nephew went to see it & my sister-in-law said...'OOH! Jack's in it!!'--

Jaters Unite! :)

hey Lyndsey Z- sometimes the 2 year old in me comes out! :)

CAM is one of our fellow LOST fans that would always be here. She had great ideas/comments etc. and a sense of humor!
Anyway she fell off the face of the blog one day & I'm doing my very best 'Michael' impression to try & find her. I'm hoping she'll hear me one day!
Michael found Walt. I thought it was worth a try!

so now everyone knows.
I'm just having a little fun. :)

KAT---

That is great... I hope she comes back too... I would love to read some of her comments... I wonder why she didn't even make it to a local computer somewhere and say goodbye or why she left... oh well... I hope you calls work too!!

monkeyface!--I'm just catching up on reading & saw your post May16 7:13pm---LOL!!!

I'd watch that show!! :)

I have a question: Just 'how many times' has Ben told Locke that "he always has a plan".....?

Ben & rabbits: The picture of Ben's Mom in his house; she is holding a baby rabbit.
It's been said on other sites & even here that it may be a hamster or some other rodent, but I believe it is a baby rabbit. Hence his affection for rabbits....I think.
Under all that, Ben's a real Mama's boy! Not that there's anything wrong with that! :)

Just a comment that Sun's buying controlling interest in her father's company is totally unrealistic. While she may have gotten a good settlement from Oceanic, it would be in the million-dollar range, nowhere near the billions she would need to buy a major company, to say nothing of all the paperwork that would be required, so her dad would be well aware of any attempt to take over the company.

BRNCALL---

Are you sure she didn't get a settlement from Oceanic for her husband too... I mean he did die... and what about all the cash Sun and Jin likely had before the crash... they weren't poor by any means...

Also... what if the controlling stock in her father's company was owned by multiple other partners... and she went to them all seperately and kept it quiet... like buying it in someone else's name... an alias... or something like that...

My question is: Why does everyone have to take things so SERIOUSLY... this is TV people?!?

Mr. Paik was ripping 2 of his people a new one for something that 'had happened'. The men said something like 'whoever did this used 5 different banks'.... maybe t that's what they were discussing.
Sun asked if something was wrong & he said 'company stuff, nothing you'd understand'.

Lyndsey Z - what?! Jack, Kate & Sawyer aren't real people? and you can't really move an island in real life??
sorry, couldn't resist! :)

Why does Kate claim that Aaron is her child? It's a case of 'KISS'...keep it simple, stupid. Otherwise, child protective services would take him away from her. There would also be the question of whose child he is...where's his mother...how long did she survive the crash...all rather inconvenient and unsettling questions that would require uncomfortable answers (or more elaborate lies)...and those uncomfortable answers would surely open a Pandora's box of too many other pesky questions. Thus, the easiest route is to claim Aaron as her own. That way she can keep him safe and care for him w/o there being so much made of 'what happened to his mother...what killed her?'

There have been questions of how Claire's mother could be at Christian's memorial service. Jack clearly states that he prepared comments "10 months ago" for his father's funeral. She really has had time to recover from her injuries. Also, Jack's comment that "I loved you," referring to his dad, isn't unusual. There are some who refer to the deceased in the past tense, so I don't think his choice of that particular word is unusual. I think he was telling us that eventhough he and his father had issues and conflicts, that in the end, yes, he had loved him then....and he loves him now. I might be wrong, sometimes semantics are just that.....a personal choice of words.

Lastly...the mysterious presence in the cargo hold of the plane. Practicality says it's a crew member. How many cargo planes fly around with just a pilot and co-pilot??? I should think a crew member would be assigned to the hold in the case of emergency, etc.

Carry on...

lyndsey z - nikki & paulo were killed of because the writers were getting horrible reviews from viewers, basically they were annoying...

and (not directing this to you) regarding aaron...why is everyone freaking out about aaron not eating for sooooooooooo long? think about it: clare leaves aaron at night, COULD have been right before sunrise, and then probably less than 12 hours later is handed of to kate, then sun. he was a healthy breast fed baby....so i'm sure he'd be ok with water for that length of time. this show is great, as if you'd let something like that get to you.

KAT ---

I think we are on the same page... did you read the ranting about the Baby's eating and pooping habits... and his abnormally large size... I was like what are you people talking about...

So I just end up explaining things the best I can in their TV mind set... but in the end I feel like saying It's TV... take some of it for granted people... because I can understand some anger at plot holes or whatever, but this stuff... I don't know... TV.... that is all I have to say...

TIC---

I know you aren't directing that to me... I am one of the people in the beginning who was defending the fact that Aaron would be fine... just above this I said again.. it is TV... we don't see them do everything... poop, sleep, eat, etc... so we need to calm down about that type of stuff...

Also I believe earlier today... I addressed the Nikki and Paulo thing to everybody... that I can't stand the thought of them and don't care if they are back... my real question was to get ideas on who the extra three people are that they are going to say made it off the plane and didn't survive... that is the real question I was trying to post...

lyndsey z - gotcha...hard to sift thru all these posts! i like your idea of making threads here so people can follow the conversations of their choice...i know what you are saying about nikki & paulo and i think it sucked they way their story line died there because what a sweeeeeeeeeet way to (sorta) kill off some people! like you i am going nuts trying to figure out who the other 2 or 3 are and why they had to lie. oooooooooohhhhhh just came to me...sun says jin didn't survive the crash...how will sun explain getting knocked up??????????????

that was me at 8:55 am

Can we add Libby to the list? I've been rewatching episodes online, and they never tell us why she is in the mental hospital with Hurley or how she got on the plane. Also, this is just an observation, when Hurley told the mental guy about using the numbers to win the lottery, he said something like, Ahhhhhhhh you opened the box.

AMBROSIA---

We definitely should add Libby... I almost had forgotten that whole her being at the mental hospital thing... but that was messed up... and wow I never remember the ahhhh you opened the box comment... I am going to have to watch that again... strange!!

"Who are you people????????"

So, with the whole time thing--the Oceanic rep said they were gone 108 days, and Jack said he prepared his funeral notes 10 months ago....so I am really confused. Were we seeing two different flash forwards? One right after they came back and one 7 months later?

And also, any idea how long 108 days are in "island time"? Seems like in Island time they've been there at least a year!

THE NUMBERS AS THE ULTIMATE CONSTANT

I got goosebumps reading that...I think you're right!

They had the memorial service for Jack's dad because Jack was alive and needed to say goodbye. I wouldn't doubt that one was already done, but I think that for Jack's sake everyone that knew them thought it would be nice to have another.

Maybe the rabbit thing is a metaphor for Alice in Wonderland. They've already done the Wizard of Oz route so it wouldn't surprise me.

Ooh - I didn't even catch that!
It looks like Christian Shepherd to me but...he's not wearing his white shoes so it's probably not him.
Whooo could it be??

Shann - Your post just stopped me in my tracks. Yes, of course, it makes sense - the NUMBERS are the ultimate constant! AaaaGH! I'm about to do a Hurley and run out of the room in a panic!!!

CAM was always good with the LOST facts and what not. Had good theories too.

EVerytime I think of saying CAM (in honor of Michael calling for Walt, as kat mentioned) kat already does it!

I wish I had something to say about the show, but all I can go with is how the hell did Claire's mom get better all of a sudden? Was she still in a coma when Christian went to Australia? Was it Claire's aunt yelling at him saying she (referring to Claire's mom) doesn't want to see you? Did the island make her better? Like Jack's Sarah and Kate's mom never dying? Just wondering

PS I'm enjoying New Orleans and the French Quarter again this weekend. I love summer break :) And yes, I always do have a toast to one for my homies...Boone, Mr. Eko, SHannon (no Ana Lucia though...ugh). Well everyone enjoy your weekend!

sorry sarah b. ....... :)
but you know, now is a good time as any!

As far as your questions: All I can answer for sure is: YES that was Claire's aunt that was yelling in the hospotal room telling Christian that the mom doesn't want to see him.

have a lovely weekend!

For everyone that said Veronica Hamel (Jack's Mom-Margo) looks like Kate in about 25 years I TOTALLY agree! great casting there!!!!!--if that's what hey were going for.

I loved you. I miss you. & Namaste!-------y'all!

ladies & Skaters-enjoy!

Unusual wedding ring. I'd like to see it close up.

apparently he's on Ellen on Monday :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAwC310ikQ4

i dvr'd jimmy kimmel and im watching it now

josh holloway is soooo cute! cute and super hot, that is a potent combo

dimples

sigh

There is nothing spooky or illusion-like re the other passenger. You can see his legs while seated over Kate's shoulder -- also, anothe crew member stands up and is by the exit area of the plane. wearing the same uni as the pilots.

If it is someone that matters, he is not hidden.

catching up on comments, i loved the theory "the numbers are the constant"...yes! the numbers equal 108, the number of days until the o6 were rescued

just watched the orchid video again, very interesting!

check out this link

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Orchid

very interesting..

who said they were gong to a LOST finale party as Penny?
The shirt idea is great: 'Not My Boat'

Also, I was thinking, the whole night; every time someone spoke to you, you reply with: 'What boat?, Who's Naomi?'

LostNYer, Sawyersgrrl

"Malone" suggested the numbers as the ultimate constant...gotta give credit where credit is due.

Maybe the other 2 that survived but died are Charlie and Arnst (sp?) since they blew up and won't ever be found?

CLAIRE'S CHIP

I forgot she had a chip Ben "activated" for Juliette to have an emergency to solve when she first joined the losties. Could that chip be why she went off with Christian? She seemed out of it with the priceless smirk.

Re: ok. has anyone noticed how sawyer hasnt called the anyone nicknames lately? by anyone, i mean his fellow survivors, not ben/others/freighters/whatever
the ones he is close to, no nick names, since anthony cooper
Posted by: sawyersgrrl | May 16, 2008 07:34 PM

I posted this much esrlier, and laughed my ass off when I heard it. Sawyer says 2 Miles after Miles runs in2 Kate & Jake:

Who u talin' 2 now Ghengis

no offense, but Lyndsey Z keeps asking the same question over and over about the missing 3 people - is it paulo and nicki?

And we are all sick of the CAMMMMM thing. Please give it a rest.

Ummm, I get that you miss CAM... but did it occur to you that everyone thinks that Michael's call-outs to Walt were the most annoying part of the show?

Hence, it's annoying here.

Maybe you ran CAM off, ever thought of that?

I've been reading these blogs since day one, and only now are you all loosing it. I get that the boards are for everyone (INCLUDING ME) but the amount of repeats is completely ridiculous.

I do think that some of you are totally OFF in your theories and I'll say it again... go watch the last five eps again and come back back with some meaningful thoughts!!!! Like this one!!!

I thought this episode was really good. I caught the "nod" from the Oceanic Rep., I wonder who? It seems silly to wonder that with so many other questions.
I have said this sbefore and I am going to say it again: Just because the press is calling Jack, Sun, Kate, Sayid, Hurley and the baby "the Oceanic 6" doesn't mean there are only six surivors. Those who chose to stay on the island may still be alive in the "future".

ANONYMOUS and PEOPLE PLEASE---

First of all with the Nikki and Paulo thing... I have typed so many times to clarify that the real question was who do you think the three are and why do you think they were mentioned... because so many people like you were making it about those two characters who were a waste of space... I was simply saying that Daniel said (and I agree) who were the others they said survived... because perhaps it will have some meaning... I was asking if anyone had any theories... because they didn't need to say anyone survived... can we leave it at that... because obviously me clarifying myself is annoying to me and annoying to you reading it... Or maybe you haven't really read it... and are just skimming and pretending you know what is going on BECAUSE if you did you would note:

We did have other discussions which I lent my memory of Lost too... like the Rabbit's foot discussion which is very poignant due to the fact that the Orchid (which we will obviously see in the finale) was the station where they kept the Rabbits... and we were discussing all the places the Rabbit's and their feet showed up.... perhaps that has a deeper meaning... do you have a comment on that?

Or how about all the people that have been contributing to the list of plots/storylines that we would like answers... that is where the whole numbers thing came into play... someone wrote the producers were saying that we would be disappointed in their meaning... and someone else said they would be explained... so thus a discussion of important things we wanted answers to was begun (like Jacob and his cabin, Ben and the Others, Black Rock, etc.)...

In addition to all that many people have come up with theories about the island... and it's power... like perhaps it being Eden... all of which intrigue me... how about you?

And as for the Cam calling... I don't do it cause I wasn't here... but I don't see any reason why when you are reading you can't just see the letters and skip over them... or here's an idea ignore them like adults... and be civil if it bothers you that much... but telling people what they can and cannot say on an online blog is just childish and ignorant... so maybe you should just take your toys and go home to play... because I haven't really read anything useful you have contributed... just a bunch of whining like sissies cause you aren't getting your way... maybe you are the reasons that people like Cam leave... and new people don't want to post anything... maybe they have brilliant ideas and then they don't want to say anything because of people like you being rude... I know I read and refrained from posting for a while because of people like you... but either way I read because I like the theories... and you are just ruining it for everyone...

Boys... I assume you are male... could be wrong... but remember: IF YOU CAN'T SAY ANYTHING NICE THEN DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL!! I think we all learned that one in preschool or maybe you skipped that day...

What, no one missed me?!!!!Cam and Larry are still mia?-you might have to move on kat!!!!!! Anyway, I have to tell ya-, I missed Thursday night, due to a co-worker party, so I figured I'd watch Friday nite, Friday rolled in to Sat late, yada yada!!! But I made the mistake of reading all (most)of these blogs @ work on Friday (Don't tell the boss!!)So-was I ever so screwed up watching the show, after everyones comments! 1:st I found it very odd that the O-6 were in a millatery plane headed back to the states, and not some Oceanic corporate jet! The men(except Hurley)-had suites on, and everyone was cleaned up-even Aaron had real clothes, and not the blue blanket. So they were somewhere else first, before getting on the plane..probably explaned next week! 2:nd Why was Kate not taken in to custody emediately and allowed to do a press conference-Aaron or no Aaron-that would never happen in real life! 3:rd @ the press conference, the lady refers to them as " the remaining Oceanic 6 "INCLUDING" Miss Austens baby"...now if I have my math right does'nt that mean 7 survivors? I have to go watch it again, but that's how she said it! Loved the scene where Ben is almost scolding Hurley about eating the 15 year old crackers. So Richard and his others are done with their stay @ the Temple and are now trapsing thru the jungle, just in time to capture Sayid and Kate.. I had to laugh @ that one-too obvious. Overall a good episode, but not mind blowing like last week. Am looking forward and not looking forward to 2 weeks finale...all you Lost fans can understand!!

CAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM!

This is the first blog in which I have every participated. So, I likely know very little about blog etiquette. But Anne, I agree with you. No need to be rude in this. That would turn me off to the process. One can just skip the entire text input by someone whose text bothers them. Thanks all for your theories. Very interesting.

Just finished reading the posts.. you guys really have such insight/ This is the first blog that I have ever wrote on to. Sometims I get intimadated (sp?) to. Tootsie1 always has good thoughts and please leave Kat alone she is always nice to people/ that being said I will have my ignore button ready for the rude, this is America people we all have a right to our thoughts, just in a polite manner please. I will post my thougs a little later when I can think them though lol

hey Goldielocks, thanks! :)

I missed you Tootsie1. I was gonna start calling out to you soon!
She did say the remaining 6 survivors, including the baby.
To me that sounds like they are counting Aaron.
Like, Including the baby, there's 6 of them. I don't know, that's how I hear it.

There are a few things with this episode that are very inconsistent.
What's funny is, I believe in the black smoke, I believe in the polar bears running around on a tropical island. I just don't believe they didn't check anyone out upon return; like Tootsie1 mentioned why not take Kate into custody right away? They figured she'd been through enough?
Why is their vague story enough (in this day & age)?

I'd like to think all these things will be addressed though.
I would also like to see their story unravel. Maybe Hurley will crack first.

I was waiting for them to arrest Kate too, maybe next epi. They would be on all the morning shows like Today etc and Larry King. and you know their story would not fly, from the ff it seems tehy tell their stories over and over so I guess people bought into it. but

Thanks guys-I missed ya'all too!! We all know who are fun and not fun to interact w/so-like Golide said-get your ignore button ready, and remember-most of these "haters" don't stick around! Kat: I know that there are only "6", and God-I don't want to bring up the whole Aaron thing again!!! I just thought it was phrased oddly? "the remaining 6, included Kates baby", why not just say-"our 6 survivors"...I'm not trying to read more in to this-maybe the writers thought that this paticular was of saying it -would put the Aaron is-or is'nt thing to rest. Follow me? But then someone like me hears it differently...go figure.. PS: I hope nothing bad happenend to Cam-Larry and some of the others who have gone Lost!!!

Tootsie1 - I hear ya! :)

Goldie - In the scene between Kate & Jack after the trial in Eggtown, she says:
"You know, Jack, I've heard you say that story so many times, I'm starting to think you believe it."

sounds like it!

KAT and ALL THE OTHER OLDIES BUT GOODIES----

I hope I am not upsetting the balance in anyway... like I said I am new here... but I hope I am not offending anyone by standing up to those two about the calling for Cam and such... they are all just getting on my nerves and ruining the experience for me... but anyways I hope I am not getting in the way of anything or offending anyone... cause that was not my intentions at all!! Sorry if I did...

I miss CAM too, she was our "details person" as she called it. And she always had those smiles and winks and stuff.

and NO ONE RAN HER OFF. I kind of always assumed that she was still reading but not commenting right now for some reason.

I also hope that she is OK. I have even looked for her name on the one other blog I have been reading occasionally, no CAM.

But I think we should try to enjoy (or tolerate, as the case may be) the ones who are here now. I was at a party once, where the hostess kept saying, "why isn't so and so here???" and I kept thinking, damn, WE'RE here! Let's party!!!

So guys, WE ARE HERE! LET'S HAVE SOME FUN!!
Let's talk about LOST and find out a little about each other and encourage each other and feel sorry for each other and maybe even pray for each other.

I have an IGNORE button. They are easy to install. This will be a long 2 weeks. We can help each other fill it up. LET'S PARTY.

Malone - "The Numbers as the ultimate Constant" - this same idea struck me yesterday as I was watching local lottery results on TV. It makes so much sense - the numbers show up everywhere, seemingly at random, at different points in the timeline. Who needs to see their Constant all over the plane of space and time? Ben? Widmore? The island itself? As for the producers saying viewers woudld be disappointed if they expect the numbers to mean something - as a Constant, they would not mean anything in and of themselves. Not as a sum, not as individual numbers in the sequence meaning something - rather it is the random sequence, but the same random sequence over and over that works its "magic" holding together the sanity and neural health of someone or something that is time-traveling - and time-traveling ALOT!

I wonder where hh went, she had good bible insight.
Lyndsey Z Welcome to this blog your posts are great
Suzie Amen to that.
My ignore button has "pud" written on it so can humble myself and not get all smarta** with the rude posters (pud being my sawyer nickname)

I'm new to the blog and my opinion (of which doesn't matter) is that we stick to theories and if anyone wants to get personal, exchange email addresses.

That's just my 2 cents.

That being said, I think when they introduced the O6 and they said "Included Kates baby" they just said that so the audience (us) knew she was passing Aaron off as hers.

MOVING THE ISLAND

I think they're not going to move it physically (obviously) but somehow disrupt how it is located making the bearing they have to stay on no good anymore.

SAWYER'S FAVOR

Do we know what the favor was? My guess is something to do with his kid. Kate probably doesn't realize he met the kid's mother when she was trying to run scams without Sawyer.

I think one of the other "survivors" would have to be Charlie. I have been rewatching season 1 this week...and it made me really miss his character this season. Maybe he will have another visit with Hugo soon. I have really enjoyed this season and I am dying to see the finale in 2 weeks!

the "other survivors":

*wouldn't be Des, Ben, or Juliet, cause they weren't on the plane.
*Wouldn't be Jin, cause Sun said he died on plane.
*Wouldn't be Michael or Walt, cause mike's mom knows they came back.
*wouldn't be: Sayid, Sun, Kate, Hurley, Aaron, or Jack cause they are the O6.

*Could be Charlie: he had contact with Penny, so someone knows he was alive.
*could be: Locke, Sawyer, Claire, Rose, Bernard.
*could be: Eko, Anna Lucia, Libby, Boone, Shannon, Paulo, Nicki, the one twin, THE PILOT?, or any of those nameless losties that got shot while the bullets were missing Sawyer. Could even be the 2 kids the others kidnapped or the stewardess.

LOTS of people it COULD be.
I think Charlie would be one.

Charlie cause Penny talked to him and Bernard so they can say he did the appendix surgery.

the last 2 posts (about who the extra survivors are) were suzie. I don't know what happened.

SUZIE---

I don't think it could be Ana Lucia.... because in the flash forward Hurley denied knowing her to the cop that was interrogating her... so that would mean she didn't get off the plane alive...

First of all, People....Please you are an A S S H O L E. Anyone who wants can post any crazy theory they have about this show and you just have to deal with it. I don't agree with a lot of the things I read, but you don't see me going off on tirades about it. Like someone said above, if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything! If it pisses you off so much, quit reading and go find yourself another Lost blog to annoy everyone on. I don't think anyone here would miss you much.

Whew, ok, done venting, on to business:
I too think the mystery person on the plane is just a crew member. It does look like he is wearing a uniform and headphones, which is why the Losties can talk about their "story", because dude is wearng headphones and can't hear them. When the lady came back to talk to them, she walked right up to them and spoke loudly, so I think it's probably pretty noisy back there and dude couldn't hear their convo cuz he is sitting a little ways away from them.

Kate and Aaron....I know there are a lot of people upset that Kate is passing Aaron off as her own, but like someone said above, I think she has to. Sun is Asian and already pregnant, and Kate is the only other female survivor so Aaron would have to be hers. There has to be a significant reason why they don't just say he is Claire's. Claire's mom said she never made it off the plane, so she is clearly not one of the 2 or 3 that they said survive the crash but die later. Jack and Kate couldn't tell Claire's mom the baby is hers because she would obviously want Aaron and it would blow their whole story.

As for the 2 or 3 people that survive the crash but die later, it could be anyone. Everyone is theorizing on who it could be, but I think it's impossible to do that at this point. All we do know is that it isn't Jin, Claire or Ana Lucia. (Sun said Jin didn't make it off the plane, Claire's mom said she didn't make it off the plane and Hurley said he didn't know Ana Lucia in the flash forward.) Oh, and whoever made that list above of possible people forgot to include Eko! Lots of people are saying it could be Nikki and Paulo, and it very well could, but I too have read that the writers thought their storyline was a big mistake so I think they are done with them. There has to be a very significant reason why they said only 2 (or maybe 3) died later, and not 14 (or however many have died on the island, I lost track). The whole story is clearly very planned out and I can't wait to hear what it is, I'm hoping it happens in the finale but I feel like they aren't going to tell us until at least next season.

I definitely feel that there are some people still alive on the island that chose not to leave....Locke, Bernard, Rose, Sawyer. When Kate and Jack were fighting about Sawyer, Jack said something like "I saved you and he chose to stay." sorry I don't remember his exact words, but from the way he said it, I think Sawyer chose to stay on the island and Jack somehow "saved" Kate and got them off. Later, when they meet at the airport when Jack is all crazy, he tells Kate "we have to go back." I don't think he would want to go back if none of their friends were still there.

I've read all the comments and I don't think anyone else has commented about this....Widmore put that plane full of bodies at the bottom of the ocean, that everyone heard about on the news and in the papers, so isn't anyone wondering where the hell that came from now? The plane had all 324 bodies on it (or whatever number of people were on board), so how are they going to explain that, now that there are 5 people (6 with Aaron, 8 total that made it to the island) that lived through the crash? Ever since we saw that plane and found out about the Oceanic 6, that has really been bothering me. I would really like to know how they are going to explain a mystery plane full of dead bodies just appearing in the ocean! Add that to the list of mysteries Lost has to explain!

T----

WOW... it felt like you took the words out of my mouth about everything... that is precisely the way I feel about those topics we have discussed... altough you didn't mention the island being Eden or it moving but we can never be close to guessing on those...

AND AN EVEN BIGGER WOW... about the plane... I kinda completely forgot about it in all the rush of them being rescued... and the island moving business... it was kinda sweeped under the rug... but that is kinda strange... how are they going to explain that one?!

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?

if course correction is happening, i think it's possible that the "dummy" wreckage is no longer at the bottom of that ocean, yo.

Lyndsey- I did want to make a comment about Eden and the moving of the island, but my post was already extremely long so I didn't, but I'll do it now!

I LOVE the idea of the island being Eden....that's why no one can find it, the whole fountain of youth thing would make sense, Ben and the Others want to keep it hidden so mankind can't ruin and exploit it, etc, etc. It seems very possible that this is the direction the show could be going. And after reading the post above about what Abbaddon means.....CREEPY! I think there is definitely a biblical good vs. evil thing going on here with Jacob/Christian (possibly Ben and Richard) and this Abbadon character. He keeps popping up everywhere. Remember when he visited Hurley and asked if there were more people still alive? I didn't believe for a second that he worked for Oceanic, he was clearly up to no good. He is one creepy dude, I can't wait to find out what his deal is.

As for the moving of the island.....I am very interested to see what this means. Are they physically going to pick the island up and move it, maybe drop it in the Sahara like someone else suggested? I like what someone else posted earlier, how maybe the last time the island was moved it landed in the ocean right where the Black Rock was sailing and that's how the Black Rock ended up in the middle of the island. I don't know, I don't have many good theories on these ideas yet, but I will keep thinking about it and keep you posted! I'm going to try to re-watch all of season 4 online in the next 2 weeks while I am very impatiently waiting for the finale, to see if I can catch anything I may have missed before. Once this season is over, I plan on re-watching the entire series before next season starts. It will be a long 7 or 8 months till season 5 starts and I have to get my Lost fix in somehow! I didn't really pay as much attention to detail and contemplate everything so much in the first couple seasons, so I am excited to watch it again and hopefully learn more!

P.S. Kristy Kreem, what did you mean by course correction and that the wreckage might not be there anymore? I'm confused! Everyone in the real world, including Charlotte, Daniel and Lapidus, saw the 815 wreckage with all the bodies still buckled into their seats at the bottom of the ocean. When the Oceanic 6 are rescued, isn't everyone in the world going to wonder what that plane is, where it came from and who is really on it? If all the 324 passengers that were on board are dead at the bottom of the ocean, how can there be any survivors?

suzie - just wanted to say if I ever came off like the hostess you mentioned that was never my intention.

I'm not sure how my calling CAM became a topic of conversation but that's just silly. Why anyone would care & comment on that is beyond me.

oh & 1 other thing, I will stop saying it whenever I damn well please.

thank you & Namaste.

T ... we discussed the possibility of the time traveling being about course correction in the "cabin fever" comments, if you want to check 'em out.

Sawyer jumps from the helicopter because it is carrying too many people.

- The person in the Coffin is Michael
- He is responsible for only 6 getting off the Island
- He also gets off under an Alias but is not known as an O6
- This is why no-one went to the funeral. If it had been a member of the O6 there would have been a media frenzy
- Kate is angry at Michael because he is directly responsible for only six getting off the island

I forgot to say spoiler alert

Kristy Kreem Is the course correction from the timeloop theory??

how very interesting!
How will they explain the plane at the bottom of the ocean?

When the plane was first found did they say all the bodies were still on board. If not then because the wreckage is to deep to retrieve they can change the body count

Hey Guys,

Sorry to bring this up again, but did any of ya'll see my question about the time confusion? I'm copying it down again below:

"So, with the whole time thing--the Oceanic rep said they were gone 108 days, and Jack said he prepared his funeral notes 10 months ago....so I am really confused. Were we seeing two different flash forwards? One right after they came back and one 7 months later?

And also, any idea how long 108 days are in "island time"? Seems like in Island time they've been there at least a year!"

Just wondering if any of you understood that.

And by the way, I am enjoying this blog a lot--I have never written on a blog before this one, and always read this one but never posted before a few weeks ago, so anyways, thanks for making it fun, and I enjoy all you guys' wackiness (so don't take the grumpy people too seriously!)!

COFFIN GUESS

My guess is if it was Michael in the coffin Jack wouldn't cry or be so upset. It makes more sense that it was Hurley, but he would have had people come to his funeral.

Also, can't Michael not die? Now it's bugging me who's in the coffin again...damn that LOST! What a brilliant show!

THE ISLAND IS PURGATORY?

Did anyone hear the theory (it may have been discussed before I started coming here) that the island is a kind of purgatory? That everyone is dead and the people on the list were supposed to go on to heaven? Maybe the others, with Richard leading, are supposed to guide those that have passed onto the afterlife?

Remember when Ben was young and ran to the perimeter, saw his mom and she said not yet? Because she was dead and he's still alive? Maybe Richard and the others are dead (that's why they don't age or anything).

Goldielocks--yes, I think they said that all the passengers' bodies were on board. I don't think they identified them all one-by-one, but I think they said they had counted the bodies. (Also, Widmore would've made sure to get the exact number, whether or not they ended up counting!)

A pretty great episode. I was actually worried when I realised it would be about the reintroduction of the Oceanic Six because I didn't want them to reveal too much. But, it turned out perfectly. I loved Sun's ass-kicking of her father. I've been waiting for that for a long time, and she does not disappoint.

While watching the press conference, when the lady mentioned "Membata," the island they supposedly landed on, I thought: "If we'd all seen this episode back when we were still watching Season 1, we would've been like "'K, that's it, the Island's name is Membata! There's that mystery over." Hahaha...

Malone--I love the "numbers as constant" theory. They really do pop up everywhere. Three of them were among the winning lottery numbers a few months ago here...I freaked out, even though it was only a few of them. (42 was the 'bonus number,' that might've had something to do with my reaction.) They've been on other television series, too, including "Veronica Mars," where they were the fortune cookie 'lucky numbers.' British comedy series "That Mitchell and Webb Look" used them as the original "Numberwang" (a fake game show about guessing numbers).
For all of you worried that Darlton/Abrams won't reveal the meaning of the numbers, they already have: they represent variables (the opposite of a constant?) in the Valenzetti Equation, which predicts the end of the world. The Dharma Initiative was trying to change one of the numbers, thereby saving the world (or something like that). It was all part of the "Lost Experience" online game a few summers ago. Damon and Carlton have said that they couldn't fit all the backstory into the show, so they did it online. Although this doesn't explain why they keep showing up anywhere, which I'd still like, but don't expect, an explanation for.

Shann--good theory about moving the island. I never thought about that, but I still think it has something to do with the Vortices.

My favourite line of the show--Hurley: "I still want to get off it!"

Finally, people-please, get over yourself. And if you're deliberately posting spoilers just to annoy us, STOP.

I swear to god, if Desmond dies, I quit.

Hannah - I think 108 days on the island would be 108 days. I think the real question is WHEN is the 108 days taking place.

Thanks Kristy, I read some of the cabin fever comments a couple weeks ago, but not all of them, so I'll have to go back and do that. I also just checked out the timeloop theory and holy crap was the intense. For those of you that haven't checked that out yet, you should. It's www.timelooptheory.com and it's an amazingly detailed explanation of Lost that this guy came up with, it has to do with time travel. It would be pretty sweet if it turns out that this is what the show really is about, but it is a bit confusing. Another good lost theory website is mirrormattermoon.blogspot.com. This is another very good theory, but again, very confusing to me. I'm sure most of you on here have already read both of these theories, but I thought I'd post them on here anyway in case anyone hasn't. I've been a Lost fan since day 1 but none of my friends watch it so I'm constantly scouring the internet, searching for different theories to explain the show, it's pretty addicting. I'm so glad I found this blog, I love Daniel's recaps every week and I love being able to discuss the show with tons of other fans and I love reading everyone's comments, as crazy as some of them may be!

Shann- The island is not purgatory. The writers said a long time ago, probably back in season 1, that the island is not heaven or hell or purgatory or some kind of in-between place, and all the losties were not dead, they were still very much alive. Also, I just don't think it's Hurley in that coffin. Unless he lost 100 pounds, he just wouldn't fit in there. I really have no clue who was in there, but it had to be someone important cuz Jack was pretty upset about it. If it was one of the Oceanic 6, there would definitely be more people there. The coffin had a Dharma logo on it too, didn't it? Jack's upset about it, Kate doesn't care.....hmmmmm I just don't know.

Hannah- Yes those were two different flash forwards. When they got rescued, it had been 108 days. At the memorial service for Jack's dad, he said it had been 10 months since he died (no one knows why they waited so long to have a memorial service, hopefully they explain this!), so these are two different flash-forwards that are about six and a half months apart. As for the 108 days thing....According to the Oceanic lady, they have been gone for 108 days in "real world time" and sometime earlier this season, someone said they had been on the island for 90-some days, so it sounds like they end up being there 108 days island time and real world time. I was thinking there was a difference between real world time and island time too, especially after Faraday's comment several weeks back, "Your perception of how long your friends have been gone, it's not necessarily how long they've actually been gone." Everyone was worried because the chopper had left like a day ago and they hadn't heard from them yet, and on the chopper it was like only a few minutes had passed, so it definitely seemed like there was some sort of time discrepency there. I'm sure this will all be explained to us later.

People...Please- Seriously? What are you, like 12 years old? Grow up! I understand if you want to continue reading this blog, but please refrain from posting rude or annoying comments. I don't like to be mean, but you are really getting on my nerves. Which is probably what you are trying to do, so congratulations, you win. Now knock it off!

Something else to ponder.... Hurley told Jack in the FF that he was sorry that he choose to go with Locke. Now that we are finding out more and more about Hurley,Locke and Ben's adventure in the jungle - nothing seems to be so wrong about what his decision. What do you think happenes? There cannot be much time left since Hurley will somehow be reunited with Jack and the other losties to be rescued. What do you think Hurley is regreting- the 15year old crackers or sharing the candy bar with Ben?

IDEA:

RIchard was there when Locke was born in May 1956 and Richard visited Locke when he was five too, this is the same year Ben was born...

richard also recruited Juliet to the island...

so i think Richard in the begining was looking for ben but because they both were born to an EMILY and both abandonded he gave that TEST to locke and was dissapointed when he realized it wasn't the right one.

Then he found ben and brought him.

Celtics all the way!!. sorry its monday morning and I'm still pumped. I have read all comments so far and someone mentioned the storyline the O6 tell. if whidmore planted the plane with all the bodies in the ocean wouldbt he then know not to plant 8 bodies..since 8 survive the crash..or would it be 7 bodies with aaron not born yet. Does this make sense? I guess I'm saying if whidmore is controlling the surviving people than he would know who got off ahead of time. one episode showed a camera viewing the wreckage and the bodies..so they would be able to tell who survived.

Gregg- I think Whidmore planted the plane in the ocean BEFORE he knew there were any survivors. We saw the plane at the bottom of the ocean during Charlotte, Faraday, Miles and Franks's flashbacks, which was BEFORE they were sent to the island on the freighter. Charlotte and company have been sent there and are working for Whidmore (we think) to capture Ben, not to rescue the Losties. Remember how surprised Naomi was when she saw the Losties? I think she said something like "There were no survivors of flight 815." Because as far as she, Charlotte, Daniel, Miles and Frank knew, the wreckage of 815 was at the bottom of the occean, full of bodies. Well actually, Frank didn't believe it was really the 815 plane but whatever, that's besides the point.

I've been thinking more about the person in the coffin, and I have convinced myself that it is Ben. Kate wouldn't care to go to his funeral, and Jack was upset because without the help of Ben, it's going to be very difficult for him to find the island back. Ben never lived in the real world, so no one would attend his funeral, and that could explain the Dharma logo on the coffin. Ben worked for Dharma, and maybe there is still a division of Dharma in the real world that paid for Ben's funeral since he has no family to do it. Maybe Ben's constant died and he got the Minkowski time traveling disease. Did we find out who Ben's constant was? I can't remember. Perhaps it was Alex? She's dead so if Ben time travels anymore and she was his constant, he should die too. Or maybe Whidmore kills Ben. Or maybe Sayid bucks up and decides he doesn't want to work for Ben anymore and kills him. I can't know for sure, but I think it could definitely be Ben in that coffin.

Sorry, that last comment was made by me

I do see someone sitting there. Could that maybe be Ben? It kind of looks like him to me and we obviously know he gets off the island too. He wasn't part of the plane crash so he wouldn't be considered part of the Oceanic crew. Just a theory, but I'm probably wrong.

I love the flash forwards and I do agree that it makes everything that happening on the island seem boring. My question is, did the other people, (Sawyer, Locke, Rose, etc.) die or did they just stay on the island?

CHRISTINE---

Couldn't be Ben because Sayid asked him in his flash forward after Nadia dies... how he got off the island... if they were on the same plane then he would know how he got off...

But IMO... the person in the corner is being made out into too much... I think he was just meant to be a flight crew member... and maybe they talk in front of him because he is wearing head phones... maybe it is because he is further up the way on a noisey plane where the woman has to yell right next to them to speak to them... or maybe it is because all of the people in that plane (who are military and could be high on security clearance and well aware of how to keep their mouth shut) are in on the cover up story... because I am still not sure exactly who made it up... the Losties or Widmore or Oceanic or some combination of those... every time I say I think it is Oceanic then people say no... but in my thoughts about it: How would the Losties know how long they were gone with the whole confusion on time stuff that was throw at them (I mean we are still unsure)... and who to say made it off the plane... and where the freaking island of Mumbatu (sp?) was to use it as a cover up... and how would they have those press photos taken of the fishermen rescuing them... and when the lady from Oceanic is talking on the plane she almost seems to be saying take your time to digest the cover story we made up and don't talk to the press we won't mind... that way you won't mess it up... and they say they will much to her surprise... but it is like everyone on that plane knows they have to cover it up maybe for different reasons (her reason is to save Oceanic and she knows nothing of the truth and their reasons are to protect their friends and the island and such)... to me it just seems like a higher up cover up than they could pull off but...

Does anyone else have any thoughts on that one?

Also as far as the other people you asked about (Sawyer, Locke, Rose, etc.)... we are not sure if they died or not yet... my guess would be no because Kate was calling Sawyer in the future while she was married to Jack... I am thinking their survival and others deaths... might have something to do with the 8 that they say make it off the plane and then the 5 plus Aaron that actually are rescued... those other people are supposed to die on the island for some reason...

OH MY GOSH - SO WEIRD. Look at this clip from youtube of a Dharma video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bTvAUVPyLI&feature=related

Sawyer is on Ellen. YUM!

girl239 Did you catch the subliminal(sp) messages in video. what is the building? and the guy riding the bike upside down by the 4 toed statue and looks like trailers and the message God loves you like he loved jacob, were there anymore I didn't catch

T - thanks. I was thinking that about charlotte and daniel but something doesn't add up. I mean the story seems real simple stupid. locke, sawyer, rose whoever stays behind must know the story and are fine with never going back.. if they did that would totally blow their cover. coffin thought. any possibility its aaron. I know the obituary says NY but only a few people know aaron.. suns in korea may not have heardM
, hurleys nuts I don't know.. maybe

I know everyone thinks Widmore planted the plane there with all the dead bodies on it but we only assume this because that is what Tom told Michael right? So are we believing Ben now? Personally I have NO idea who could have planted it...either Ben or Widmore, but I just want to see people's opinions on that...

I totally agree that the scene with the wake was poorly placed. The funeral/wake for both men would have happened months before. But I guess, to bring out the story line, Jack probably wanted to have a wake/funeral for his benefit. He probably organized it and felt it would be therapeutic for his recovery. When I think of this show I picture a bunch of actors hanging on the beach in Hawaii having fun...kind of like http://www.kbsrf.com

This is completely random, but.... Does anyone else really want to play the lottery with "the numbers"? :) I always have the thought to do it, just for fun, but I have never been able to bring myself to do it. Kind of stupid but I just don't know why.

Jaclyn- To me it seems that Widmore knew about the Island first, I think he is associated with Dharma somehow. I'm sure he's been there before, obviously when it was in another place, otherwise he'd know how to find it. Someone mentioned this, that he can't find it since it was moved last. I agree with that.

I want to think Widmore planted the plane, but I think it was Ben.
I'm not completely convinced but I'm thinking about it.
I believe Widmore wants to claim the island again so that he can exploit it for monetary gain, like Ben said.

Ben wants the island all to himself so he plants the plane to make everyone think there are no survivors, so no one looks for anyone. I think in his mind (Ben) he wants the island to himself for the right reasons. He knows he's not "the one" and Locke is, so he's trying to get Locke & everyone else he thinks he needs on his side to trust him.
I think Ben just wants life on the island to go back to the way it was, with the addition of the Losties. He wants them to be a part of the island. Jack, Sayid, Hurley all of them for what each of them has to offer.

So to answer your question: I want to think Widmore planted the plane, but I think it was Ben.--I'm still rethinking it though! :)

Tabi - I've always thought to myself, 'I wonder if if anyone has played those numbers'. When I play the Lotto I always get quick pick. I never thought about it like I couldn't bring myself to play those numbers, but I guess I couldn't.

I'm sure I will one day.

Okay, I've finally finished reading everyone's comments. The question of whether there was 2 or 3 other survivors still seems to be lingering, so I looked up the transcript for Eggtown and here is what Jack said when he was testifying:

JACK: Only eight of us survived the crash. We landed in the water. I was hurt, pretty badly. In fact, if it weren't for her, I would have never made it to the shore. She took care of me. She took care of all of us. She--she gave us first aid, water, found food, made shelter. She tried to save the other two, but they didn't--

I don't know if that clears it up or not for everyone else, but I think it does for me.

Also Tabi, I was thinking about playing the numbers in the lotto too. But then I thought to myself, what if I won with those numbers, would I freak out like Hurley?

Goldie & girl239 - I love that clip. It is always very creepy whenever I watch it.

What creeps me out the most is all the rabbits are #15.
They're all the same rabbit.
The one that falls from the top; where's he falling from? Is he in a cage & he falls out or is he just falling out of the ceiling as he enters "another time" (like Ben fell out of the sky on the Saharas.)
Dr. Marvin Candle aka Wickmund aka Holowax says 'when did you set the shift?'--

Great Site!!! A lot of Lost information here. That site http://www.kbsrf.com is funny.

I just watched the Dharma video for the Orchid Station and Halifax is holding rabbit #15 when about a minute into the video, another rabbit falls to the ground from outta nowhere... he yells, "who is that?" and someone answers, "its 15!~" (he's holding 15 and the camera pans to another rabbit in another cage with the numbers 51 upside down and backwards)... he screams, "DON'T LET THEM NEAR EACH OTHER!"

So, there are two, maybe more, of the same rabbit. Are they clones? I don't think so because it wouldn't matter if they were near each other or not. I think they are the same rabbit, somehow on parallel planes. Just like Desmond was sitting on the boat, but was also moving through time and in the army/finding Penny/ etc...

If you can be two places at once, maybe that explains all the coming/going of Richard to recruit Juliet/ Tom to go to New York/ Ben to travel on those zillion different passports... all that while never leaving the island.

So the Oceanic 6 obviously REALLY leave the island, they are not in a parallel dimension, but my guess is that everyone else that gets left behind/stays gets 'moved' when Ben and Locke move the island and that they are essentially LOST in time/space and it is highly dangerous because they cannot run the risk of running into themselves (like the rabbits) or something catastrophic will happen.

Its true that Naomi looked surprised when finding the survivors of 815 because there weren't any supposedly, but here's what I still don't get with Naomi... she was sent to the island by Whidmore to get Ben Linus, right? Why was she carrying a picture of Penny and Desmond with her?

To me thats especially odd because in the flashback of Penny and Des taking that photograph, I remember there was something significant about there only being 1 copy of it... and Des had it with him. How did she get it? What was her real motivation on the island? Does the fact that there were 2 photos have anything to do with the fact that there are multiplying rabbits on the Orchid training video I mentioned in my post above?

LIT I like that theory they can't run into themselves, thats scary.maybe like tha rabbits can't run into themselves. but what about those blips in the video I mentioned above do they mean something or are they screwing with us. I would not play those numbers as I'm already crazy enough, unless of coarse I would be on an island with Sawyer

The flashes of the building, God loves... the barracks w/ the guy riding his bike are interesting.

It looks a little like someone filmed over old footage of Dharma/Island/home video stuff. The building looks very much like the building in "The Watch" the mobisode where it's Jack's wedding day & Christian is telling him how his father didn't like Margo, then gave him his grandfather's watch.

All the other images I associate with the island.

Everything means something.

I tried to post this last week...

In reference to the theory that the island can move in time and that the plane crash found at the bottom of the ocean was a different time loop...if that were true why would Widmore go through the trouble of buying the plane and digging up the graves for bodies?

I really like the 'can't run into themselves' theory.

It's a bit Back to the Future-ish, but with eerie LOST elements :) but I loved Back to the Future :)
Actually if I remember correctly Doc said exactly that to Marty; 'something catastrophic would happen' if he ran into himself.

Sorry, I was a fan. I always have to watch a little if I'm flipping & I see it's on.

Don't apologize for Back to the Future references. I also love to watch them.

Does anyone think that maybe Jack isn't supposed to be on the island but is because they needed Christian's body (which was on the plane) and/or Claire to be on the island with Aaron. I'm not sure if that made sense but I was just wondering.

Lots of new names is right!

Kat-saw watched Back to Future Marathon last weekend. I bet Locke finds the flux capacitor in the Orchid! And Veronica Hamel! I knew she looked familiar, but wow! She looks so different from her Hill St. Blues days. I didn't even recognize her.

Tootsie-I felt a little bad no one looked for me either!

ME TOO thanks for the Jimmy Kimmel link
Someone mentioned Sawyer not using nicknames, he hasn't since Hurley asked him to stop.

Miss Scarlett re: Christian not wearing white shoes, he had workboots on in Cabin Fever too!

Couple of things. Farraday doing a roundtrip w/o gassing up bothered me. White rabbits foot def has to do w/Alice in Wonderland.

Time travel - I don't think they can go back in time past the time the "time machine" is created. I.e. if machine built in 2003, can't go back beyond that. If you guys haven't read "The Time Travelers Wife" do so. Main character travels due to "virus"... Great story, Des/Penny story reminds me of it.

Could the static that the ship was experiencing be the island "moving"???!!

Thinking more and more that Ben planted plane after all, not Widmore. They did say that it would be too expensive to bring up all the bodies, so they could have just given a number.

Looking forward to 2hour ep! I don't care if they a fb or ff... I just hope it isn't loaded up w/commercials. I'm getting dusty just thinking about 11:00pm on Thursday night! Namaste...I love that word!

BTTF was geat!!
There was show in the 80's called V. Not sue how many of you would remember it (I'm dating myself now-anyway :). But it was great. A real Cult thing you know.

I noticed a few similarities between V & LOST.

The 'brainwashing station' the pregnancy story line where they got Brian (one of the aliens) to impregnate Robin (one of the resistance) to see what a hybrid baby would be like. Start a whole new species. They were also able to morph themselves into anyone they wanted and put you in a trance to believe they were who you were seeing!, (very black smoke like! OMG! I just remembered how much I love V!!

I'm almost through season 3 of LOST & I think I will need to revisit V once LOST is on hiatus.

Regarding my last post this could def. be true because in the Season 1 bonus discs the producers say that Jack was going to be killed off in the pilot but changed their minds...but he had to be there for a reason right?

I saw that Jaclyn. They said they were going to kill Jack off but they had a core group of friends read their story & they said Jack should not be killed. They had already become attached to Jack as the "rock" character. Kate was slated to take Jack's place as the leader of the Losties.

Glad they changed their minds! :)

Kat - I loved V! A couple years ago, my friend and I found the movie (well, I'm not sure if it was a movie, but it was the first episode). Anyway, I totally remember the scene you are talking about.

Kat - I'm sure glad they kept him around too :)

Jenn - I own ALL of the V DVD's wish I could lend them to you.
My husband & I watch the entire series at least once a year. :)

I can't imagine LOST with Kate as the leader! Do you think she still would've been held