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i felt the same way you did when i saw that only half of the Oceanic 6 were on the freighter and the other half were at/on their way to the Orchid. i wonder how that plays out.

but this was a really good episode... better than last weeks. i went back and rewatched, and it still did nothing for me. that being said, i like flashforwards now. i like knowing was happened pre-island and seeing what is going to happen post-island. its like putting a puzzle together as island events unfold.

the flash forwards dont make the island stuff irrelevant, IMO. Especially when the events on the island at this time dont MATCH the ending that we have already sen (ie the O6 are not all in the same place right now...how do they get back together...).

I am loving the humor injected into this show. Love it!!!

might the island have put claire's mom in a coma so claire felt freer to leave australia? it was a car accident, wasn't it?

love this recaps... just awesome

Has anyone noticed that there isn't a whoosh sound anymore when they go between the flash forwards and island time? Or am I just so involved in watching that I don't notice them anymore?

WOW, heart stopping episode! They have to let us in on how Whidmore knows so much for not presumably ever being on the island! I cheered when the first set of survivors arrived on the boat but my jaw dropped when all these explosives appeared in the room! One thing I did note seems like time moves faster at night-when the chopper left the boat int he last ep. it got to the island lickety split. But It seemed to take Sayid a while to reach the island during the day. I can't wait to see how they are going to "move" the island. And Sun's short encounter with her father was PRICELESS!

10:56 -- "How many times do I have to tell you John? I always have a plan." -- Ben

Hee hee. Indeed. With that line and the not being "entirely truthful" line, I was letting out a loud guffaw. Ben and John scenes are so fun!

And I too get super duper excited when I see Richard. In fact, I called his name out loud when I saw him. Love that eyeliner guy! But I don't think he's a small character . . .

And Farraday is definitely growing on me more and more. Please keep him around!

I am liking the flash forwards more and more, but I still think some of the flashbacks were better.

obviously someone on the island needs to read fardays journal. he knows alot about the island - maybe he was on it in another time and location.

Did anyone catch the Old Navy commercial during one of the breaks? They mentioned a "Orchid Night Dress" yet this product is no where on their website. Coincidence? Maybe...or maybe not!

Another fantastic episode!

My poor Jack! :)

more later!

Thanks for the recap Daniel...what's been going on with the site lately?

I really liked this ep and how they are building up for the finale but for some reason I don't think Desmond and Jin make it out alive...

sad feeling considering those are two of my favorite characters! :(

i do see the person in the screengrab! who is that!! he's got some long legs...maybe its abaddon?

Yikes. I see the shape of a person too, but I think it may just be an illusion.

After the lady left the Oceanic 6 Jack talked pretty freely to the others about their "story". So I don't think anyone was actually there.

I loved this episode and can't wait to see what happens in part 2 of the finale!

Lawnmower man is handcuffed to the HELICOPTER! :O) ...not the boat Daniel.

It felt like the O6 were getting moved around a chess board last night. I kept thinking, Okay, Hurley is still with Ben, Sun is now on the freighter with Aaron, there goes Sayid into the jungle. They are all so split apart, it's hard to see how they reunite them all to get off the island together.

I have absolutely loved all the episodes this season. I was so wired after last nights show.

There is definately someone sitting in the forward part of the aircraft. She Oceanic rep actually said hi to the person. I think it's the coast guard person who opened the back of the plane so they could all get out.

Can I just say that Aaron is the cutest, best little baby. Anyone else feel bad for Kate and Sayid...they had no one there to greet them. And then wasn't it great Nadia showed up.

I didn't believe for one minute that Juliet did not now where the Orchid was.

teresalynn - I agree. I totally looked at my boyfriend and was like "Juliet's lying." She answered just a bit too quickly in my opinion. Even though I like her character she is a liar.

about the screen grab: OMG...it looks like Ben's profile! How on earth did you see that?

Great episode and great commentary today Daniel. I am a little disappointed in the writers though, I hope someone can help me out here. Kate passing off Aaron as a 5 week old baby (isn't that what she said in the group interview) does not fly with me. The baby is obviously a few months old, and there is a big difference in abilities between a baby that is a 5 weeks old and a baby that is a few months old! The survivors would certainly have medical examinations upon return to the mainland and a doctor would easily see that Aaron is older than 5 weeks. Also, while Sawyer is carrying Aaron around on the island and then Kate takes him and now Sun has him, how is Aaron getting nutrition. A baby that is not yet on foods need breastmilk and would be crying and dehydrated after a whole day in the sun without breastmilk. So how is Aaron surviving? Also, Kate would have to say she was nursing him these past few weeks, and a physical would easily prove that to be untrue. Ok, so there's my thoughts about the "looseness" of storyline involving Aaron.
My second upset is this: Why would they be having Christian Shepard's wake so many months after his death? Jack was going to Australia to get his Dad's body, so everyone back home would have heard that he had died and memorial arrangements were likely being made. Then Jack's plane goes down and he is assumed dead. When this sort of thing happens, there likely would have been a memorial service for Jack, who is declared dead. There also should have still been a service for Christian. So to believe that Christian's wake wasn't until after Jack is found alive after a few months of being presumed dead, is a stretch by the writers. Do you see what I am saying???
I guess these two things are really getting to me because the writers have been so great at keeping the story "tight" and plausible, and these two examples don't fit. I don't want, as things get closer to the end of the series, to begin to see us have to try to make up ways for things to make sense or fit together because of sloppy writing. Anyway, if someone could help clear this up, or if I am missing or forgetting something, I would really appreciate your input. Thanks.

I love this blog. Look forward to it every week. Can't wait to get the "if anything goes wrong Desmond hume is my constant" t made. Thanks Richard!

So. I am going to a lost finale party. Am going to dress up as penny. Any good ideas how to make that distinguishing?

girl239 i agree that your first theory is weird but about jack and christian's wakes...i think they probably had a memorial service for them but after he was found alive and well they held another one so jack could be there and speak and stuff. i still think its a little strange but its still plausible. thats just my opinion though.

Okay. Definitely a person sitting on the plane. And since he's in the middle of the screen...I think we're supposed to notice him.

Don't you think the other peson Sun blames is herself?

LOL about the orchid dress, Dave...

such a great buildup to the finale--it seems like they realized this season as opposed to last that they have to tie up some loose ends in order not to confuse/bore/frustrate us. and any other show this elaborate probably would've had me rolling my eyes and saying 'forget it' but damn if it doesn't get more addicting the denser it goes...brilliant writing.

i usually call my mom during commericals and we were saying that it was somehow important for the island to have The Three to move it and as a joke i said 'ben, locke and hurley are like in the wizard of oz...one is the brain (ben) one is the courage (locke) and one is the heart (hurley)'--and after a laugh we were OMGing...the wizard? (Jacob?) the wicked witch (Widmore?) Dorothy and Toto (Claire and Aaron?) kind of a joke but maybe not?

Damn i effin love this show!!!!!

Yes, Jaclyn...I just knew that Ben had a plan....he is always in control, even when it appears he is not. Somehow when Ben lies it is for the greater good. When Juliet lies, it seems like she is just a bad liar....

So when is Miles going to come forward and tell them that Claire is dead????

When Sawyer took off with Jack and said "hold on you don't get to die alone" did anyone else think that was super uber forshadowing of Sawyer being killed? I don't know, I hate to say it, I'll be heartbroken if it happens, but I just got chills when he said it.

I loooove Hurley's mom's quote "Jesus Christ is not a weapon" LOL!

Great episode, all around.

Schatzi, You could almost hear them saying "lions and tigers and bears oh my" as they trasped through the jungle...LOL. Good analogy.

SPOILER ALERT - IF MY THEORY IS CORRECT

In the scenes for next week Kate and Sawyer are on the chopper and Lawnmower man says they're running out of fuel. They show Sawyer looking at Kate (I think they kiss) then...I'm guessing Sawyer jumps out and swims back to the island so the others can make it. You saw his look when they ran into each other in the jungle. He wouldn't leave her unless he had to.

Hey I know that I am new around here as far as posting goes... but I have been watching Lost all along and reading lostdiary for quite a while... anyway:

I was just wondering if anyone thought about the other two who didn't make if from the island in the oceanic story.... does anyone remember some not so important and strange characters... NIKKI AND PAULO... I think those were their names...

Perhaps could it be them... I don't know that was just the first thing I that came to mind when Daniel asked. Just a thought! What do you guys think?!

Great episode.. all I wanted was another scene after when keamy smacked ben. I don't like this 2 week shit. Flash forwards are better now. I wonder who the other person sun blames. Her character post island is bad ass. Ben always has a plan.. he's still in control. Splitting up the O6 was a great tease..

Does anyone think the helicopter has something to do with who makes it off now? Sun and Aaron are the only 2 that make it off now that aren't going to end up near the helicopter. So maybe no one can make it back to the boat in time or find it once the island moves other than those on the helicopter? Then they can only fit Sun and Aaron since the boat is going to blow up?

It has to be Ben in the screengrab. He is the only other one they showed off the island in the future. Hmmm....why would the coastguard need to keep Ben's being alive a secret?? This should be good....

How would they explain who Ben is if they're calling them the "Oceanic 6"? Maybe that's why him being there is a secret.

The scene where they showed the C-4 was CRAZY!Remember when they reintroduced Michael and showed him in the same room with the briefcase that had the trigger and he flipped the switch and it told him not yet? I wonder how and where all those explosives came from and why no one seemingly knew it was there? Did you see Michael's face?! HOLY CRAP!

Help! Can someone point out where in the screen grab they are seeing this person. I've looked twice and I'm still not seeing it.

Dana...the person is on the right side towards the front of the plane, sitting on a seat.

I don't think the person on the plane is Ben. When Sayid runs into him in the future at Nadia's funeral he asks Ben how he got off the island. That would make no sense if it was Ben on the plane, obviously Sayid would know if he was sitting just a few feet away from him.

The screencap absolutely shows a man seated in the shadows of the plane! Awesome. It's also completely feasible that this man could not be seen by everybody (Jacob?) hence the free conversation about "the plan". But more likely, this is someone involved very high up in cover up for Oceanic (Whidmore? Abbadon?) The Losties were throwing some VERY nervous glances in the direction of the shadow, but thanks to editing could have come off as glances to the other Losties. Oceanic knows that the story is fake, and a cover-up, so they would have to have someone in power to enforce the lies that the Losties must tell. My bet is that Charles Whidmore is sitting on that plane with them.

GIRL239...

I was thinking the same thing about the baby and the funeral... but after I thought about it... I came up with my own conclusions that helped explain it for me...

It is obvious Oceanic made up the story about how they were found and they could be helping to cover up any inconsistencies with Aaron and Kate... basically they are "covering their @$$"... so that could explain why no one caught that... plus babies on TV always appear older than they are supposed to be... Aaron has always looked not the right age... it is just because they need older children to ensure they are quiet and they cooperate... so that would make sense...

But as for the funeral... how do you know they didn't already have one... they could have already had one for both Jack and Christian and maybe Jack wanted to have another one for his sanity and peace of mind... not to mention he didn't get to speak at the one they assumingly had for his father and it is only fair that he would... do they not have multiple funerals for soldiers... my grandmother had two when she died... at completely different places in the country so that different friends and family could attend...

It is something in me that usually makes me extra critical... but I am trying not to be in this case... because as long as most of this crazy story comes together in some sort of sense then you can call me a happy camper... being so critical only ruins everything... it is not like they just told us that everything that just happened was a dream or that the others and specifically Ben was a figment of some character's imagination!! Oh wait they already have the semi-imaginary character position filled by Jacob... there just isn't enough room on the island for more imaginary characters... so be happy they didn't just give us some earth-shaking crazy shock that our brains can't seem to fit in the plot... cause you never know with them they could do it... anytime they want

I believe the person in the plane is another military serviceman. Watching the scene in real time you can see some detail on his outfit. It looks like a military jumpsuit with patches on the arm, and it looks like he has headphones on (similar to the ones she was wearing before heading to the back of the plane).

I keep thinking that Charles Widmore is perhaps from the past....maybe he was the captain of the Black Rock and was somehow separated from the island/ship and is trying to find his way back. Maybe the island gave him the ability to live relatively ageless for a long period of time a la Richard. And if Ben can time travel, how do we know he hasn't gone back to when the Black Rock came ashore and knows Widmore from that era? Ben is trying to save the island from exploitation. Although his methods are questionable, his effort and reasoning are noble. Remember early one when he described himself as "one of the good guys." Plus he's been through all of this before, maybe like 'Groundhog Day' and knows how things will play out, thus his comment, "He changed the rules," when Alex was killed. Previously when that scene was played out, his bluff worked and Keamy spared her, but not the last time. That was the catalyst for things to get extreme on the island and the need to seek Jacob's counsel. And the only way to save the island is to move it. Perhaps that's why some of the survivors weren't rescued...because they couldn't be found. And that's why Jack is almost insane from his map plottings...trying to find the island again in order to return and set the events in motion as they should be.

I'm not going to re-read any of this as I don't know if any of it makes sense. What do y'all think?

Daniel, re your comment about flashforwards rendering the on-island scenes useless.

Think of it as reading a book and then peeking at the last chapter. You know about the characters, and you know how it ends, but you've totally missed the chapters in the middle, and those are usually the best parts of a book.

So to me, the flashforwards are great, and add intrigue. Like your comment about Sun being separated from the other O6's. We know they'll find each other, but figuring out how that's going to work out is what it's all about.

Ben/Locke/Hurley scenes are always a treat.

Where can I see this screen shot of the mysterious man everyone is talking about?

Lyndsey: Thanks for your thoughts. I just love the show and want all of the pieces of the puzzle, as they are revealed, to fit neatly. I can't wait to find out how the 6, who are currently all split up, end up posing as the only survivors! Those final two hours this season will seem like one hour, since these one hour episodes go by so fast! Last night, my 13 year old son and I were so tired around 9pm, so we kept flipping through the channels trying to find something interesting to keep us awake until 10pm. My son is great at remembering stuff from the past episodes, thank goodness. I'm' going to be so sad after next week. Nothing else to look forward to for a while!

definitely didn't see anyone else on the plane the first time around..good get. I agree, the only weird writing in lost is aaron and how he is eating and getting nutrition. also its too obvious about 5 weeks vs a few months. that must have been done intentionally. nice party theme for hugo.. lmao

Who owns Oceanic Airlines?

I wonder if Whidmore has a controlling interest in Oceanic Airlines? Because I'm sure they wouldn't go along with a lie if that weren't the case.

Zelda: The "changing the rules" comment fits nicely with your ideas. And Jack remapping the island also goes well with the island being moved. Something very significant is going to happen that makes the final 6 not reveal that anyone else is left alive on the island. They must know that if rescue parties were to go look for the remaining survivors, something terrible would happen. I don't know what, but I can't wait to find out!

Shann- the link to the screen shot is at the end of Daniel's recap

I think that when the series ends, the explaination will be so mindblowing that it will lead us to go back and rewatch from the very first episode. Do you know what I mean? I'm trying to think of something similar, a movie or something, where at the end you are left rethinking about the scenes because of what the end revealed. I was writing something else, but just thought of a movie like that, The Sixth Sense with Bruce Willis. When the end was revealed, remember how he flashes back in his mind all of the prior scenes and sees the truth. I think (and hope) that the end of Lost will be like that - where we need to go back and rewatch the series to see all of the things that we would then realize were clues to the puzzle.

Regarding stranger on the plane...although it would be far cooler if it was Abaddon or other spooky person, I think it's probably a load master or flight engineer...these guys are standard on military flights and wouldn't be out of place on a transport like this.

Good question about Oceanic ownership. Did we ever really find out who put the other Oceanic ship and bodies at the bottom of the ocean? I know Ben and Widmore have both said it is the other one, but I also read someone post that maybe it is the real Oceanic with those passengers but from another time loop (or something like that).

did any one notice at the wake how the 0-6 looked like they were agreeing with jack's comments nodding their heads and smiling.like they were remembering the same thing and reminiscing?

Zelda.... your "changing the rules" comment and idea about all of this happening before, also plays nicely into the scene where we first meet Faraday. He is crying while watching footage about the 815 crash, and when asked why, he simply responds "I don't know." It seems he has strong ties to the island but doesn't know why (or can't remember)... perhaps they HAVE all done this before.

Could they not get better tranport from Hawaii to U.S. Why is a military cargo plane bringing them? Also I think there is more to the "bad mojo" comment made by the pilots. Why the "story" they intend to tell and who made it up. Whidmore, Darma, the govenment, wow I am really thinking now. There are always more questions.
Great episode, I cried twice. I can not believe we have to wait 2 weeks until the season finale.

One of my favorite movies is 'Somewhere In Time' in which Chris Reeve sees a picture of a woman, falls in love, and travels back in time to meet her. I always had a hard time wrapping my brain around the concept of time travel. 'Quantum Leap' was another favorite tv show....again with the concept of traveling through time....making "corrections". LOST is like that and I'm still challenged with the idea of moving through time and making the necessay corrections in order for events to happen as they should in the great cosmic scheme of things.

Hey no one wants to comment on the possibility that the other two people who supposedly made it off the plane and then died on the island... why wouldn't they just say they were the only 5 who made it off unless the other two were important... any thoughts on who they were?!?

Like I said above I wonder if this is the tie in for the seemingly unimportant NIKKI AND PAULO...???????????

I agree with girl239 about Aaron and nourishment. I nursed my 2 kids and believe me, when they are as little as Aaron, they need to eat every 3 hours otherwise they are a hungry, screaming mess. Sawyer hands Aaron to Kate then Kate gives him to Sun. When is this poor baby eating? Is there suddenly a shipment of formula falling from the sky? And don't get me started on the pooping and peeing. Obviously there's no diapers. So wouldn't that blue blanket he's been carried around in be a disgusting mess? This has always been a bothersome subject for me... I agree that the writers have always had tight storylines, but for us mothers out there, we know they've been lacking in the baby dept. We know how it really is!

Whoa! Love the flash forwards. They leave you with more questions than answers believe it or not. The "O-6" are all split up. I can't wait to see how they all get together. Why was Farrady crying while watching a news reel of the crash remains to open the season last fall? Sun vs. Dad will be priceless. Last season's finale is what I want to see play out now...Jack back on the bottle and Kate pleading with him not to go back to the Island. He reveals how they had to sell out and lie to get off the island and it's eating at him. Hurly in a Psych Ward....when will we see what finally drove him overweight...ah...board?

So is the island being moved in both location and time? Maybe the O6 are the only ones not actually on the island when it is "being moved". Remember Hurley saying talking to Ben about how to move the island, and him still wanting to GET OFF OF IT! How will Kate and Sayid get away from those with the guns? There were a lot of them. WHere the hell did Richard find the new new others?
So many questions.

Can I have my own writing style back?

It seems that moving the island is extremely dangerous, and all inhabiting the island when it is moved are in great danger. Could this be the reason for the purge of DI by Ben? Did they kill everyone rather than attempt to move so many people to safety? We all know that Ben does whatever Jacob asks of him, and we know that Richard (and presumably the other "others")can get off of the island. Ben made a comment that the crackers in the Orchid box were 15 years old... does anyone remember when the purge took place? If it was 15 years ago, I think we can assume they had to move the island then as well.

christy07 I think the purge was in 1992 which would make it 15 years ago since it is the end of 2007 on the island

Jenn its the end of 2004 on the island.

Zelda, you should read "The Time Traveler's Wife". I reminds me a lot of the best episode of Lost ever- The Constant.

I have a feeling Mr. Eyeliner guy will help Sayid and Kate. Why wouldn't he? They are itching to get the hell off the damn thing and I'm sure he's willing to do whatever to protect it.

Horace also said he has been dead for 12 years making the purge 12 years ago.

The Dingy only holds 6.

purge was in 1992, crash was in 2004 so it was 12 years (I looked it up on lostpedia)

When the Oceanic rep was giving her statement to the press - she said the plane crashed and then a "boat"? was used by the O6 to go to the other island.... - so I think that Sun and Aaron jump (or get) off the freighter and find(?) Daniel with the rescue boat???

Sorry...I don't know why I said that, I know its 2004 ... thanks for the correction Jaclyn

Jenn its totally understandable. I constantly think its the same year there as it is in real life and my boyfriend is constantly correcting me.

That comment by "Bill Simmons" is hilarious.

Jennifer: Oh. My. God. I was given 'The Time Traveler's Wife' a couple of Christmases ago, put it on the shelf and forgot about it! Where is that thing...*turning and looking behind me at the book shelf....* Dang!

I mentioned this earlier and no one responded (probably because I am wrong) but last night I didn't notice the woosh sounds when alternating from the flash forwards and island time. Did anyone else notice that or was it just me.

Anyone have any insight as to who the hell Richard is? He was there when Locke was born. By the way, they tell us Locke was born in May 1956, but the song playing when his mom Emily was getting ready for her "date" wasn't released until July 1957. Anyway, Richard visited Locke when he was five, this is the same year, presumably that Ben was born to a woman named Emily, both not ever raising their sons...he was also shown as recruiting Juliet to the island because of pregnant women dying during childbirth. He told Locke they "have been waiting for him"....I digress, does Richard know who Jacob is? Is Richard on opposite sides of Jacob? Anyone?

For some reason looking at that screen shot I think the person on the plane they don't acknowledge is either another military person who knows about the cover-up or it is Michael... beacuse I agree he appears to be in uniform of some sort... maybe it will be no one maybe not... but what does anyone think about it being Michael!?

For the person going to the Lost season finale party as Penny....wear a shirt that says IT'S NOT MY BOAT! LOL

Great episode. Ben is a true thug! Richard & the Other r definitely reinforcements 2 help Ben/create diverson 4 Locke 2 enter the Orchid Station.

In the exchange b/w Sun & her father, she (obviously) very very pissed. What intrigued me was the comment she made about Jin being dead. The WAY she said it made it sound like she witnessed her husband's death. Plus, if Mr. Paik has something 2 do w/the island, wouldn't he b aware of Jin's status? Plus the scene w/Hurley & Sun @ the cemetery seemed a bit 2 real. I think that Jin & Desmond & Michale die on the freighter due 2 the C4 detonating. I remember Ben telling Michael that he couldn't detonate the bomb b/c "innocents" were on board. well, now there's a hell of a lot more explosive material down there now, but I gotta believe that "innocents" r still on board (i.e. the "no name extras"), so I'm really not sure how/when the boat goes up, but Jin's certainly aboard when it happens.

As far as your question, I'll take my flashes anyway the come, forward, back, or sideways. they always add a bit more information 2 the puzzle that is LOST.

Best line of the night:
Sawyer: (to Miles) Who u talkin' 2 now Ghengis?

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Hey no one wants to comment on the possibility that the other two people who supposedly made it off the plane and then died on the island... why wouldn't they just say they were the only 5 who made it off unless the other two were important... any thoughts on who they were?!?

Like I said above I wonder if this is the tie in for the seemingly unimportant NIKKI AND PAULO...???????????

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Ever since Myles was introduced on the show, I pictured the Losties finding out his powers and bringing him over the "grave site" of Nikki & Paulo who are still in the spider induced coma to finally find out how they "died". He reveals that there is nobody dead here and they awake and scare the crap out of everyone. Am I nuts?
Also...Need to know what will happen when Jack "finds out" the 'Sox win the '04 series as he's not suppose to know.

Remember a few episodes back, in a flashforward, when Kate said she was doing something for Sawyer? I think Sawyer is off the island, and he's the figure we see in the plane. But that's as far as my theory goes....

Lyndsey Z - I think people will answer your question if they have a theory if not your question may never get answered. My opinion on the matter is that the two extra people could be ANYONE that has died on the island...Boone, Shannon, Nikki, Paulo, Eko..anyone.

Aaron probably doent need food and is OK just like Hugo doesnt have food and yet doesnt change. its an "island thing"

Vickie: Thanks for the location of the person in the screen cap. It's so obvious now that I know where to look! How could I have not seen that before?

I still am wondering about the significance of the box with the 15 year old crackers (best line of the show last night!) But I don't think that was just a throwaway line. There's some reason they want us to know that Ben left that box there 15 years ago. Purge: 12 years ago (1992), Rousseau stranded/Danielle kidnapped: 16 years ago (1988), box-o-stuff in the jungle: 15 years ago (1989).

On a totally unrelated note, I think that Jin is really going to die. :( I hope I'm wrong.

How have they explained that Michael and Walt were on 815 but Walt is alive with his grandmother and Michael went back to the island? Has it been explained at all. I'm sure when they went over the manifest of those onboard, Walt's name had to be on there, but he lived with his grandmother and then Miles went to the house to ask him where something was and someone was killed there, or something to that effect.

Jenn: I'm positive I heard the whoosh at least once last night.

Jaimi - its been addressed a few times before. Miles never went to Walt's grandma's house that was a different lady. They also came back under different identities that's why people don't know them.

But Walt is still alive somewhere then?

Ok, if Jin dies for real I'm going to be very, very pissed. (And dusty ;-)
What is it about killing off main characters??? I'm still getting over Eko and Charlie! (Sorry Daniel)If Jin goes now, I'll, I'll.... I guess just keep watching, I'm a Pansy!

BEN.

yes he is living with his grandma. remember when michael went to go see him and Walt was looking out the window?

Thanks dana michelle. I will have to rewatch/listen. I just remember before people were talking about different sounds for flash backs v. flash forwards and thought it was weird that there might not have been any last night. I know its not important in the scheme of things, but it just seemed weird.

Is there a connection between Ben and Locke, the "chosen" ones not being raised by their mothers, and the prophecy that Claire was told about not letting anyone else raise her son, and Jack being told by Hurley that Charlie said he is not supposed to raise him? Is Aaron the next "chosen one"? There has to be something to that.

Some observations:

The press conference showed a photo 'taken by a fisherman' of the Oceanic 6 coming on shore to the island (when they were actually saved)... I need to rewatch and see, but my guess would be that they are in the inflatable dinghy that holds 6. After last night, I have to assume that Jack and Sawyer will save Hurley from the Orchid, and meet up with Kate and Sayid and escape the Orchid; and Lapidus will lift them all to safety. Sawyer has some special softness in his heart for Hurley, so Sawyer will jump out of the helicopter when Lapidus says they don't have enough fuel and ask Kate to find Clementine... The 6 dinghy boat will make it back to the freighter with more Losties and Farraday... Lapidus will arrive with Kate, Jack, Hurley and Aaron. The frieghter will explode and somehow the Oceanic 6 (5 adults and 1 baby, so still room for 1 more person in the boat and I pick Farraday) will take the dinghy and be saved. The rest perish in the Freighter fire...

We know Farraday is key to this. We've seen in the FF that he is saved from the island, and we've seen from his notebook that he knows about the Constants and last night they showed that in his notebook, he already knew about the Orchid. (stay with me here)...

We all want to know how Whidmore could know about the island, including the all-important Orchid Station, considering the fact that he's never been to the island and can't find it. Someone has given him the information about the island. We know thats not Ben. However, Farraday has information on the Orchid and who-knows-what-else in his notebooks. I think that unwittingly, Farraday has given Whidmore all the information he knows about the island, but I don't know how Farraday got it in the first place...

I also wondered last night why Keamy didn't kill Linus. That was the order he was given. When he knocked him out with the gun, I wondered if Keamy might be a double agent? I have thought since the Freighter introduction that Michael wasn't alone in his plight for Ben on the boat, that there had to be someone else too (someone that Michael didn't know about). I assumed it was Keamy then, considering that when Michael destroyed the engines, they didn't kill him right off (Keamy has killed for a lot less reason example: the doctor.) I think Keamy was the one who put the C4 in the engine room and he is really working for Ben, but is somehow in cahoots with Ben and thats why Ben sat dumbfounded that "He changed the rules"- we all assumed it was Whidmore, but maybe not. Thoughts?

also, does anyone think the other person Sun blames for Jin's death is Michael? She knew he was on the boat b/c of Ben.

I don't want Desmond to die!

Whoa, I accidentally deleted something so my post made no sense at the end. What I wanted to say was that:

I think Keamy was another 'man on the boat' for Ben and was never supposed to kill Alex. When he did kill Alex, he 'changed the rules' and dumbfounded Ben who was now triple-crossed (follow me, Keamy supposedly worked for Whidmore, but works for Ben, but ultimately goes rogue). Keamy should have killed Ben last night when he showed up, but he didn't.

what if somehow daniel and charoltte die with the O6 and to explain them they pass them of as nikki and pablo

Kate saying Aaron is HER baby....I am soooooo disappointed in the writers on this one.

First of all, you know they would take all of the survivors to some medical facility for physical exams after being on that island for over 3 months and any doctor could tell Kate had never had a baby 5 weeks ago.

Which brings me to the second point...Aaron is supposed to be a 5 week old infant? Oh P L L E E E A S E !!!! That baby has to be at least 4 or 5 months old.

Oh, yeah and I assume Clair was nursing the baby since we never saw in Dharma formula or baby bottles, so what kept Aaron from starving to death after Clair took off and deserted him?

I am an avid Lost Lover, but shame on the writers for goofing up on these points.

I must be missing something important but why is everyone assuming the other 2 are Nikki and Paulo? What relevance does that have?

LOST FAN----
I love the thought of Daniel and Charlotte dying and being passed off as Nikki and Paulo... I just want those two characters to have some more meaning... since they were basically as waste of space and time... and I expect more from the writers!!

lost fan: Daniel makes it off the island- we've seen the FF of him sitting in front of the TV watching the news of the Oceanic Flight wreckage being found and he is crying but doesn't know why...

For the people who are obsessing about Aaron and his eating habits.... Enough! There are alot of normal things that we dont "see" for example all the women on thier periods, I dont see boxes of darma tampons either, but I dont think we need to. We know the baby was probably breast fed, but mash up some canned vegtables and there you go, now you have baby food. And theres more important plots for the writers to focus on than diapers. And if you want to insist on health inspections, they would have to explain how Jack took out his own appendix as well. I would stop watching if we had to endure these soap opera details. Its only an hour show!

Didn't Sun say Jin never made it off the plane? Is she going with the story that she was pregnant before they got on the plane and the baby was just late when it was born? Didn't she actually get preggers on the island?

LINDAnKC---

I was already discussing that one with girl239 up above... yes I agree that it seems like an inconsistancy... and I was upset with it at first... but you have to keep in mind a few things...

First off Oceanic and a lot of people are obviously in on the cover up of the real story... so doctors checking them out could easily be ignored in that cover up...

Second... all babies on TV appear to be older than they really are because they need to have babies that are reliable to hold still and keep quiet... and infants aren't really known for that... not to mention putting a real infant in the wilderness of Hawaii in all these scenes in the heat would be cruel so it is probably a doll most of the time... and when necessary an older baby... nothing the writers can do about that!!

Third... they seem to have lots of food hanging around the island... Hurley has kept his shape as so many people have pointed out... we don't watch the Losties poop, eat, and shower all the time... I am sure if you go back and look there have been times they showed Aaron being fed changed etc... I am guessing we are just supposed to assume in many of the things we don't see that they do... Aaron is being fed and changed... and how do you know they don't have baby formula and diapers in the Other's camp... after all they were trying to have babies all the time over there... what were they planning on feeding them or how were they going to change them???????

Isn't Charlotte another one that is alive in the future. Isn't it the future when she finds that polarbear skull in the desert? Or is she from the future and went back in time to the island and now she'll die and won't be alive in the future anymore? Confused.

oh my gosh - just thought of something as I'm reading all these comments. Are we SURE that there are only two people who are supposed to have survived the crash and swam to the island, then died? If I remember right, at the press conference Jack said there were 8 of them that survived the crash and swam to the island. Well, if Kate was 6 months pregnant, Aaron wouldn't be considered one of the 8 people who swam to the beach. So that would mean 8 people swam to the beach, and 5 adults lived, with one of them giving birth later.

Also, how do they explain that the survivors of the plane crash swam to a deserted island and found a motor boat that they took to the other inhabited island?

Daniel...damn that dust!! loved that line.
i cried like a little baby, have to admit.

i like my Flashes any way i can get them, forward, backwards, sideways, whatever.
i just hate that the season is almost over and we won't have any flashes till next season.

i'll post more later, gotta catch up on the comments.

I LOVED THIS EPI...A++++

I love LOST, and this website!
I guess we now know why none of Sun's family showed up at the hospital after her baby was born. She said she would be having her baby and then coming to Paik to decide the future of OUR company! I love it!!!

COME ON NOW---

You took the words right out of my mouth... I am glad we don't always see when they poop, eat, or shower... this is not the type of show were they are going to feature the lost family having a conversation over the breakfast table... but I do enjoy the occasional gratuitous scene of Sawyer without his shirt for showering or whatever purpose... but who doesn't enjoy those... I think Daniel would agree about Kate... changing or whatever...

I don't think Charlotte and Daniel had flash forwards, I think they were flash backs. They happened in conjunction with finding 815 in the ocean, which was before the freighties went to the island.

I have never been so happy to see "the others". :D

I'm disappointed in my theory that Jin was one of the survivors that died later, but it makes sense that Charlotte and Faraday are explained as the two who died later ... but they couldn't pass them off as Nikki and Paulo and why would you want to?

BUT, here is my new theory. Ammadon is Walt. His conversation with Locke last week about going on a walkabout sounds a LOT like a conversation Locke had with Walt in the first season.

Timey-wimey travel, loopy-doopy string theory....

Oh, and did NO ONE comment at what a great guest star they had in the Oceanic rep? Admiral Kane AKA Ensign Rho!! Love her.

I had to miss the first 20 minutes but I was checking in with a friend who called on commercials as I raced home ... and for once my VCR cooperated with me. I was yelling my head off when Claire's mom showed. Did Christian do something for her when she was in the hospital -- surgery or something to help her wake up?

GIRL239---

Oh yeah good point you are right... that would be three people that died on the island after escaping the plane... I think that changes everything... I wonder who they are because there would be no reason for them to even say they got off the plane unless they are going to be named and discussed or their bodies are going to be brought to familes or something...

Did anyone notice that throughout the episode last night some of the characters (like kate) looked like they had been there done that before?

Did Kate overhear what Claire's mom said to Jack? The look on her face suggested maybe, but I wanted to know what the rest of you thought....

Anyone think this season will end with the exact same airport runway scene that ended season 3 (with Jack telling Kate they have to go back)? It could happen ;)

JENN---

Yeah I am pretty sure you are right about that... those flashes with Daniel and Charlotte were when the Freighter tots were leaving to go get the Losties because of the discovery of the flight in the ocean... so then we have no guarantee that they survive this season finale... they could both die...

But the reason I want something to be tied to Nikki and Paulo is because the purpose of their characters really hasn't been brought full circle yet... they were kinda a waste of time if they weren't there for a purpose....

Lyndsey Z I'm with you (Nikki and Paulo being a waste of time) but I have a feeling that they didn't really have a purpose. Plus Nikki was on that TV show which makes me think that there would be too much publicity surrounding her to use her as one of the surviviors that didn't make it. but I don't know. Everytime I think I know something about LOST I usually don't.

Remember the first episode we met Charlotte and Daniel? Daniel was curled up in Essex, Massachesetts with his caretaker checking on him... she specifically asks him if he's alright and why he's crying... he is watching television and on the news they are pulling up the Oceanic 815 wreckage. When asked why he's crying he answers, "I don't know". The wreckage news obviously happens AFTER the flight, so its definetly a flash forward and not a flashback... but it doesn't allow us to know if he survives and gets off the island with the others... I guess its possible he's not the 6th adult space in the dinghy, so let me put Ben in there (we do know that Ben gets off the island)- except damn, in a FF Sayid has already asked Ben how he got off the island (so I guess he gets off the island apart from the 6, so how many more also?)