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So I was a little put off reading the diary because Daniel hadn't already seen the press conference with new footage and so didn't know that we already know who the three extras were. Just saying.

And, oh, Come on Daniel, you are being a tad bit jaded when it comes to some of the plot devices. Since the big gun fight was right next to the chopper, I would have been disappointed had it NOT had a bullet hole in it somewhere, and you know, bullets never hit non-important mechanics. Guns are going off everywhere and the chopper DOESN'T get hit would be stupid.

I was really confused though, how the heck they were going to explain Des and Frank. But when Penny showed up -- it was the first time I got really teary eyed at a scene on LOST. Jack telling Desi that he would "see him in an other live, brother," was priceless.

Love the rationale, that they needed to put the O6 near where the plane was dropped in the ocean trench and even came up with a plausible island. Gotta think these things through to make the story work in the real world.

While yes, Claire was a dream, she was a dream like Walt was a dream for Locke. Astral projection and all of that.

Now waiting to see everyone elses thoughts!

:)

OK, I kinda see what you're saying....kinda. I remember thinking when Jack first saw the death notice that it was Locke but then seeing opinions elsewhere, I started to believe the guesses it was Ben...but when Ben was standing there, I was like thinking he was projecting a ghost thing, etc....totally confused but then when Locke was revealed, I was pissed at myself for doubting my instincts.

I too thought foreshadowing future Juliette/Sawyer pairing. Sort of shows how wrong the world has gotten that the foursome is switched. The world needs to right itself and put the right people together.

Loved the Mr. Eko moment too. Loved it!

Gotta love Sun. And yes, I have a feeling the island had to move before and that's how Charles got shoved to the outside world. My guess is because of all the 'horrible things' that happened on the island after they left, Locke was forced to move the island again, hence why he was back in the world with the others. This episode has made me anxious for next season, which is why I would grade it a bit higher than you did.

Aspirin won't help me...

Did Ben put all the metal in the "time machine" to break it so no one else could use it?

How did Locke get off the island? Did he come back to get the others to return? He killed himself? Que??

I think Sawyer asked Kate to make sure his daughter was provided for when he was on the helicopter and that's what she was doing for him.

Sun is giving Sayid a run for his money in the Badass Department!

I don't care how Sawyer lost his shirt...I'm just glad he did! :)

I thought this episode was amazing. I give it an A. Loved reading your perspective Daniel. This episode was alot to take in and I will be watching again. The island must be future technology or alien technology. Or Atlantis???

Mmm, I agree with every thing Daniel said. Even though I had a feeling it would be Locke in the coffin, I was still shocked to actually see it.

I don't understand the whole Jeremy Bentham thing, though. I said before, Walt ALWAYS called him Mr. Locke, and when we was talking to Hurley in the asylum he actually called him Mr. Bentham. That doesn't seem right to me.

Hurley's game of chess with Mr. Eko gave me goosebumps. I don't think Hurley's crazy, he's obviously really talking to the dead.

Claire screaming at Kate to not take him back freaked me out.

I cried like a baby when Sun saw the freighter explode. Her acting was absolutely phenomenal. However, I believe that Michael's dead but Jin is still alive. Anybody else agree?

I'm glad the comments are working, because it's Friday so I've alotted the rest of my day to Lost theories and rewatching the finale, haha.

does anyone remember the URL for the fake commercial at the end of the episodes?

Two points:

1) Well it appears that "Ben isn't able to kill anyone" theory has been proved wrong.

2) Ok, so the John Locke/Jeremy Bentham is interesting. Both were political figures in real life. I wikipedia'd Jeremy Bentham and found this:

"As requested in his will, his body was preserved and stored in a wooden cabinet, termed his "Auto-icon". Originally kept by his disciple Dr. Southwood Smith,[11] it was acquired by University College London in 1850. The Auto-icon is kept on public display at the end of the South Cloisters in the main building of the College. For
the 100th and 150th anniversaries of the college, the Auto-icon was brought to the meeting of the College Council, where he was listed as "present but not voting".[12] Tradition holds that if the council's
vote on any motion is tied, the auto-icon always breaks the tie by voting in favour of the motion.

The Auto-icon has always had a wax head, as Bentham's head was badly damaged in the preservation process. The real head was displayed in the same case for many years, but became the target of repeated student pranks including being stolen on more than one occasion. It is now locked away securely."

So I think Locke isn't really dead, but maybe has a wax head? Faked his death?

I have to laugh at the irony of Locke being Bentham. The real Jeremy Bentham was a big proponent of natural rights, and animal rights. Locke, the mighty hunter, goes by Bentham? LOL

I think you're on to something, Daniel, with Widmore maybe being in Ben's position before. That makes a lot of sense.

Was it just me, or is Ben extra creepy when he's off island? That scene at the funeral home was just... whoa..

I think that Aaron (and previously Walt) were so wanted by the Others because they were chosen as the next generation of leader. Kind of like how Richard came to Locke when he was young.

I think it was OctagonRecruiting.com, if that's what you're talking about.

I agree...when was Charlotte on that island? Why did she want to get back to it? Now Jack, Kate, Sun, Hurley, Sayid, Aaron, and Locke have to go back to the island? Is Desmond included in the "all of you have to return"?
Loved that Penny & Des finally got together, but now he must be hiding out from her father. And I guess Ben is also trying to find Penny to kill her in retaliation for Alex's death. Where did Locke get the name Jeremy Bentham?
What is making the pilot keep his mouth shut about the island?
Sawyer make the greatest sacrifice for Kate. Now I'm just mad that Jack was yelling at her that he saved her and Sawyer chose to stay on the island...he jumped so they all could make it....
Loved when Hurley told Jack, "that's exactly what he did", when Jack told him Locke didn't move the island...

Can't wait til next season!!! HURRY!!!

-Walt: they were able to play it nicely into the show that he is older now. We know given Kate’s comment to Jack that they are 3 years into the future (after they left the island). I think that he will also need to return to them, that’s why “Jeremy” visited him.
-The island has for sure moved in space, and I do think possibly time. If you recall to the episode earlier in the season where Ben plays super warrior with the guys in the desert he asked the woman at the desk of the hotel what year it was.
-Ben is a good guy and a bad guy, it just depends on who you are and what he wants and we know he will do ANYTHING to protect the island, even apparently banishing himself.
-As for Charlotte she must have been born on the island. She implied it so I’m going to assume that’s why. I have no idea why Miles would want to stay except for the supernatural properties. Maybe he knows why Charlotte wants to stay and that’s why he’s staying.
-Sawyer has always been a hero :) I don’t think he ever really wanted to be a bad guy, but was so hurt by the conditions surrounding his parents, he let the grief consume him. Now that he offed the real “Sawyer” he’s vindicated and can be the good guy. He also really loves Kate and would apparently do anything to save her. My biggest lament about him staying on the island is that I do not want him to hook up with Juliet but it wouldn’t surprise me if that happens, I'm with Lauren on this one I pray they do not end up together. I can't stand Juliet. As for him coming out of the ocean dripping wet and shirtless, *YUM*.
-I think we will see more of Desmond and possibly Frank. Not sure what to think about Frank’s future, but since Desmond has a personal tie to Whidmore we’ll see him again. I was happy that Desmond and Penny finally found each other :D
-Sun has something up her sleeve, I’m curious to learn her motives. It will be interesting to see that play out. I was beside myself when I saw Jin blow up, that made me very sad :(
-Will be interesting to see what happens to Faraday. I’m going to assume they made it back to the island before it moved. He had a sense of foreboding though, he knew he wasn’t coming back to the island which is why he told Charlotte and Miles to come with him, so we’ll have to see.
-As was stated, bad things happened on the island after everyone left. I’m going to assume it’s not safe for Aaron to go back, but we also don’t really know why. I’m also assuming that Claire is dead since she’s been hanging with Christian.
-Locke left the island to come get the 6 who got off. He needs them to come back together and he was coming to convince them to come back. I’m upset that he died, but it didn’t shock me that it was him in the casket.
Can’t wait for next season, it’s going to be a long 8 months or so :( Will have to go back and rewatch this season and learn more.

Wow! I don't know why Daniel gave this episode a B+ - I give it an A. What more can we ask for...clever lines, questions answered, questions presented...OMG moments, a great kiss between Sawyer and Kate...a powerful Jin-Sun moment. Now the withdrawal begins...

NOT ONLY WAS CLAIRE A BIT PUFFY.. I THOUGHT LOCKE LOOKED IT ALSO WHEN HE WAS IN THE COFFIN. ALSO JIN...SIGH... IM GONNA MISS HIS KOREAN ASS. "BOMB" THATS JUST UPSETS ME.

Okay, here are a few comments/questions that have been swirling in my head since last night...

1. Ben was hilarious in this episode.

2. was keamy dead like claire is dead when he went into the Orchid, or did he just not die earlier?

3. was anyone else disappointed in the Orchid video v. the one on youtube?

4. also, I'll apologize to kat ahead of time, but after Sawyer jumped out last night, I got really annoyed with Jack's comment in Part I (I think) when he got mad at Kate for doing a favor for Sawyer b/c he was the one who saved her. Sawyer saved her. IMO or so it seems after last night.

it was...

www.octagonglobalrecruiting.com

I bet Charlotte is totally Claire and Charlie's daughter.

Oh, what does everyone think about the raft with Faraday? Do we believe that he traveled to the island's new location or were the all goners?
Was anybody else on the raft crucial, or were they just random people who were on the island?

I think there was a lot more chemistry between Faraday and Juliette than between she and Sawyer. Wonder what's happened to Faraday (and the last bunch of Zodiac passengers - were they all nonentities in the scheme of the story?) Were they lost at sea or pulled in to the island's "move"?

checkmate, mr eko

i love this freakin show

thanks, daniel

i'll post more later...still rewatching AGAIN

SAWYERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yes. thanks kasey.

I just wanted to say that I laughed to myself when you pointed out that Claire had gotten, shall we say, heavier? It's horrbile but that's the first thing my friends and I noticed in that dream scene.

And I guess I missed that re-airing or whatever of that press conference? They said that the people who survived the crash and then died were Boone, Libby and Claire? Why them??

OK, yeah, I can see where you're coming from in terms of giving it an B+. I think you're being a little too critical but nevertheless I respect it.

The best WTF moment: Hurley calling out Mr. Eko, totally gave me chills.

My best moment was Sawyer walking out of the water without his shirt. (THANK YOU LOST PRODUCERS!! Next time: slo-mo)

No problem, Amiee. It's not nearly as interesting as I thought it would be =/

Okay...my opinion...Ben didn't want to leave the island, but did so to protect it, knowing he could never go back. We all KNOW Locke never wants to leave the island, so why would he be back in the States as Jeremy Bentham? The only explanation is that he ended up having to move the island himself three years from the last time it was moved, but he knew how to get back...by getting everyone to go back, and that's what he was trying to do when he went to see all these people, but he got killed before he could get back.

It's interesting that EVERYONE, including Walt, would have to go back for this to work, though...would it be because they plan to go back in time to the crash or something and if everyone is not there, it would screw up somehow? The minutes are already ticking too slow for next season to get here!

first off, you forgot one of my favorite parts of lost, the commerical tie-ins! Don't forget to go to the Octagon Global Recruiting!! i think its tied to comic-con...

Do you think that Michael was allowed to die now that the island is safe? And do you think Faraday's raft was close enough to the island that it was moved too?

checkmate, mr eko

i love this freakin show

thanks, daniel

i'll post more later...still rewatching AGAIN

SAWYERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think it was OctagonRecruiting.com, if that's what you're talking about.

Posted by: Kasey | May 30, 2008 08:39 AM

Actually is it http://www.octagonglobalrecruiting.com/

Also, no one has commented on Christian showing up to Michael right before the ship blew up. That gave me the chills.

Desmond and Penny forever!! Daniel im surprised you didnt comment on ben's last words to locke apologizing for how sucky lockes life has been. That means ben has probably been causing all of those crazy things to happen to locke in order to keep him off the island and away from taking over!

Also- michael cant die remember!? hell be back! seems as though aaron cant die either- hes the next leader! maybe walts the next richard?

lastly, christian shepard on the freighter with the bomb! holy crap! why would he let it explode? i hope he rescued jin!

Daniel, to quote the Dark Tower (not sure if you read it, but they reference it a lot on Lost), "You've forgotten the face of your father." I can't imagine how anyone could not think that this finale was supremely excellent. It answered A LOT of questions, but still gave us plenty to ponder. Sure some of it is obvious, but it is a tv show. The Sawyer scene in particular seemed like some reassurance for the ladies that our hottie is alive and well, but not a key figure right now. In all it was an awesome ending to a show in which we will have to wait 8 months or so to see the next installment. I can't imagine how they could have done any better. I find it sad when hard core Lost fans say that it doesn't do it for them lately. What exactly where you expecting?

Christian showing up is the only reason I think Michael is really dead. Christian told him "you can go now," so that has to mean that Michael could finally die, right?

i cant believe how choked up i got when Sun was screaming for Jin from the chopper. she is the best actress on the show for sure!

The helicopter crashed into the water when the island went poof. What the heck happened to the people in the Zodiac that were heading to the freighter? Are they back on the island? Did they move with the island? When the flash happened, they saw it on the helicopter and showed the people in the Zodiac seeing it too. Faraday can't be gone yet, can he?

I'm still trying to wrap my head around Christian appearing to Michael. I have to re-watch the episode.

If Claire appeared to Kate, even in a dream, does this mean Claire's dead? Is this the island's way of breaking the 6 down to the point they will agree to go back just to get the visions and hauntings to go away?

Christian is sort of starting to seem like the "Angel of Death" if you will. First with Claire and then with Michael...I don't know. It's very weird.

Does it annoy anyone else that during the press conference Kate says Aaron is five weeks old? I have three kids, that baby is NOT 5 weeks old! The show is so good with details, but not that one, and it's kind of an important detail! Bugs the crap out of me!

Gailen

They have to lie about Aaron's age to make their lie work. Didn't it say in the commentary that Turnip Head was really eight weeks? Yes, we know he looks older, but they have to lie for a reason

i thought the epidode was an A+. besides some of the special effects (chopper scenes), the episode was awesome!

I am interested in finding out if Faraday's raft moved with the island. I'm assuming so, because the helicopter should have seen it in the water.
But what will be of Faraday's fate? Can Desmond still be his constant???

TOTALLY agree with the B+, Daniel. Although there was suspense & good scenes, there was also "fromage" and I never had a blown away moment either. Locke in the coffin just left me with a "huh"? Instead of a "wow".
I also agree with your assessment for the whole season. Flash-forwards take the fun away when you know for sure certain characters are going to be around in the future. Not only that, but for me, the flash-backs provided me with emotional involvement towards the characters. I felt myself not feeling as invested in them this season for that reason. Another thing I feel is that the musical score this year sucked. I liked some of the past episodes being intertwined with "popular" music. Gave it a cool feel and added to the emotional connection. I just feel this season they slacked off, figuring we were all already emotionally invested in these characters and that they didn't have to do anything to keep that investment fresh.
I give Season 4 a B.
See ya next season, brutha!

Where to begin???

Vincent was on the beach

Is Locke really dead? Wax??

If Ben can't really get back to the island how is he going to take them all back. Remember Ben told Locke he ALWAYS has a plan?

When Ben moved the frozen wheel he looked up to ask Jacob if he was happy now.

Phone call to Claire? Anyone else think it sounds like Locke?

Charlotte Annie? Remember when she finds the polar bear and freaks out. Maybe not about polar bear but seeing the Dharma collar?

Hieroglyphics on rocks in cave

Sun talking about Frank and Desmond leaving island as well or Ben?

Dharma comerical hysterical!! Recruiting already.

Crackers 15 years old and still fresh? Explain why Richard doesn't age?

Walt wondering why no one except Jeremy coming to see him? Pissed or wondering why they don't realize he has the power to help them? Really be Abbadon?? Still think Walt a major part of this series with his special powers while reading comic books.Same bird flies into window, polar bear appears???

Aaron - miracles?? This proved by his going without food and water. Surving helicopter crash, etc.? By the way did anyone else notice the photograh in Aaron's room of him sitting on a bike like the old one that (Ben?) had in a flashback?

What to make of Jack and his promises never keeps? Going back for Sawyer, helicopter wait for Jin?

Loved Sawyer coming out of the water without his shirt!!!

All I can think of for now. Posted earlier think Sun has connection with people being whacked off. Revenge for Jin's death?

WOW all trying to post at same time seems to have crashed the site! LOL Hope I finally get this on.

Christie, OctoganRecruiting.com works too. It's the same site.

to Todd:
Charlotte Clair and Charlie's Daughter? Man I love that theory

but, claire told kate not to EVER bring aaron back to the island, so it seems kate's vision is working against everyone else's...

Does anyone else think that the when the Island moved at some other point that is how the Black Rock ended up on the middle of the island? How else does a ship get caught in the Middle of an Island?? it came up underneath it.

Last night's episode was great!! We got a few answers and were presented with a few new mysteries. I went from the lowest low when Jin blew up on the freighter (Sun's anguish nearly killed me!) to the hightest high when Desmond and Penny reunited. Both scenes gave me goosebumps and made me cry like a little girl.

I LOVE THIS SHOW! Thank you Lost writers, producers, and actors for having enough faith in American intelligence to not "dumb it down" into another boring, cookie cutter, network drama.

If the John Locke in the casket was only wax, then why would Ben tell Jack that they had to take him back to the island, too? It's not like they would have to take a wax-Locke back to the island.

I was expecting Walt to have some sort of creepy island insight when he went to see Hurley. I was kind of disappointed in that, but I would imagine there's more to come next season with why Walt is back in the picture.

Hi Janelle,
I get that they have to lie, but what about the public? Doesn't it seem like someone would wonder...Hmmm, that lady says her baby is five weeks old, he doesn't look it. What about medical tests and so forth? How do they make their lie work when the age doesn't match up? That's all I'm wondering.

Great episode last night! Finally got some answers...how the O6 actually got off the island, who else Sun blames for Jin's death (Jack), that Sun has "shares common interests" w/Mr. Whidmore, that Desmond & Penny reunite (thank God), who was in the coffin (Locke), that Ben can't ever go back to the island, that Aaron can't go back either...and we got to see Walt (damn, boy sure got big)! Seriously the episode was packed.

I did a bit of research on Jeremy Bentham (Locke's alias - name attributed to the body in the coffin):

Jeremy Bentham was an English philosopher and political radical. Although he never practiced law, he spent most of his life critiquing the existing law and strongly advocating legal reform. Bentham is primarily known today for his moral philosophy, especially his principle of utilitarianism which evaluates actions based upon their consequences, in particular the overall happiness created for everyone affected by the action. He maintained that putting this principle into consistent practice would provide justification for social, political, and legal institutions. Although Bentham's influence was minor during his life, his impact was greater in later years as his ideas were carried on by followers such as John Stuart Mill, John Austin, and other consequentialists.

All thanks 2 this site:
http://www.iep.utm.edu/b/bentham.htm

I thought the 2 people Sun blames for Jin's death are her dad and Widmore (or maybe Ben), but not Jack.

My head is still spinning. The first thing I want to say right now is I HATE JACK! Really, I do. Have his actions resulted in everyone being miserable? Yep! Do I blame him that my Locke is in that coffin? YESSIREE! Team Locke 4EVER! And I am digging Miles so much right now. More Miles in Season 5!

This is my prediction...Ben said at the end of this episode that everybody (even the dead body of Locke) had to go back to the island. I bet they all do go back and when they do the island will bring Locke back to life. After all, the island likes Locke because all along he was trying to save it. The island made Locke be able to walk again. The island brought Christian back to life...if it brought Christian back to life it would definately bring Locke back to life.

I'm with Daniel on what to expect next season...off the island (which were flashforwards in season 4) will be the present and they will flashback to what happened on the island right after Ben moved the island.

I wonder if everybody will make it back on the island before the sixth and final season. I wonder what the plot would be for season 6 if they all got on the island at the end of season 5. I would be completely happy with the series ending with everybody on the island and they live there happily ever after. After all, every single one of the passengers had better lives on the island anyway. It's a perfect fit for all of them.

A few thoughts ...

- How did Ben know how to move the island? Since he had to blow a hole in the "time traveling bunny" portal to get to the cave, it couldn't have been done before, right? Now that the cave is accessible, I suppose John could go down there, spin the wheel o' mystery and move it again ... but how did BEN know what to do?

- What happened to Daniel and the boat? Was it sucked under when the island went down (was that not a cool effect or what?) or are they still floating out there? Wouldn't Penny's boat have found them too?

- Sun told her father she blamed two people for her husband's death and he was one of them. Who is the second? Jack said Sun blamed HIM last night ... but it was KATE who promised to go back and get him ... but then went back to the helicopter without him.

- When they shot Kearny in the back, I thought ... am I the only one who sees he's wearing a bullet proof vest? He was wearing body armor, people ... and the Losties were standing OVER him ... like they couldn't see him? His being alive was totally not a shock ...

- When Kearny told Ben the boat would be destroyed if Ben killed him ... I thought, "You don't know who you're dealing with ... " So again, it was no shock when Ben said, "So?"

Great episode ... though. I agree with the B+ grade ...

It was Octagonglobalrecruiting.com

You know what...I have no idea how I want Lost to end. I don't want them to all be happy, but I don't want them all to be miserable. I don't want them living on the island forever, and I don't really want them all living off of the island forever.
Man, I don't even know.

This is the first ever live performance of the (only) recap rock band Previously on Lost. They are assembling a seven piece band and many surprises for this show. The first hundred people through the door will receive a free lei, and the song corresponding with the season finale will be performed and recorded live for the album at this show, complete with audience participation. If you come to the show, you’ll be on the record.

Sunday, June 1st

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Performing season four of Lost in its entirety

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okay i've been busy all morning & just had to throw this out there real quick...did anyone else notice that ben moved the island & got that cut on his arm just as the losties helicopter goes down but he shows up in the desert & its 2005 & nadia is dead already?

I'm thinking Jin's not dead, but I wouldn't be surprised if they killed him--haven't all the actors that have gotten DUIs been killed off?

The Sun scene in the helicopter had my crying (amazing acting!), as did Desmond and Penny's reunion.

I dont think Charlotte is Annie. She might be her daugther or something like that.
I mean, she's younger then Ben and he shot her at he begning of this season. I mean, if she was Annie he would know. Or she might be the last baby born in the island, and her mother died and she spent all of her life obsessed to know more about the island and all.
I think Annie got out of the island or died, and that she looked like Juliet, because in that episode when we saw a Juliet flashback (when we finds out that Ben was in love with her) the doctor told her "of course he treats you well. you look like her" (or something like that). I think she meant Annie, and that Ben loved Annie and that's the reason he was so obsessed by Juliet.
I think the next season has to be amazing, in every each episode because they have to show what happens with that 3 years gap between when the oceanic six get off the island and Jack trying to get back and then what happens with those who stayed in the island.
And i hope, and i dont matter how lame it sounds, that Jin is still alive. Because after Penny and Desmond they have the most beautiful love story. They should end up together.
One crazy theory: what if Christian Sheppard (Jack's father) was in the island and then leave and had no way to get back, so he did like Locke: died to get back???
I mean, I think that the whole accident have something to do with the presence of Christian's body inside the air plane. So what if it wasnt the first time that Jack carries a body back to the island?? What if....hehehehe

I am interested in finding out if Faraday's raft moved with the island. I'm assuming so, because the helicopter should have seen it in the water.
But what will be of Faraday's fate? Can Desmond still be his constant???

To melobanker:
The more I think about it, the more sense it makes. The names are so similar, the heavier Claire, and why she didn't leave the island (not to mention giving up Aaron) ... I'd put money on it.

what do we all make of Hurley playing chess with the black pieces (evil) against Mr Ecko with the white pieces (good) and then defeating mr ecko when he chooses to go with sayidd to a safer place? where is he going? I bet the series fianlly ends with them all back on the island as the new hostles!

hey losties.you should all check that site out..it's a theory about fate and time travel that does seems to make a lot of sense...especialy after re watching previous episode
http://www.timelooptheory.com/index.htm

When Ben tells Locke he is sorry he's made his life so miserable got me thinking.

What would have happened if Ben had approached the Losties in a different way? Instead of sending Ethan and what's his name to take a list and get people's names and start kidnapping people -- what would have happened if he'd just left them alone? Or, if he would have reached out to them in a non-lethal way and offered to let people live with them and be honest about what this place was?

Didn't Ben cause all of this by trying to control everything that happened on the island?

"They said that the people who survived the crash and then died were Boone, Libby and Claire? Why them??

Posted by: alex | May 30, 2008 08:46 AM "

Actually, it was Boone, Libby and Charlie that Jack identified as having died after the crash.

I don't think Jin and Michael are dead...if Jack has to get all of them back to the island (Kate, Aaron, Walt, Hurley, Sun, Sayid, Desmond), he's got to have some bargaining power. Why would Sun and Walt go back if their loved ones were dead? And Walt hinted as much, because when he went to see Hurley(after his visit from Bentham) and Hurley told him they had to go back for the ones left behind, and Walt said, Like my dad? He wouldn't go back to pick up bits of Michael. I think Michael and Jin are where ever Claire is.

First time poster, been browsing this for a while.

I feel like I'm at a Backstreet Boys concert with all the comments about Sawyer.
Geez girls, keep your panties on. :)

the John Locke in the casket was only wax, then why would Ben tell Jack that they had to take him back to the island, too? It's not like they would have to take a wax-Locke back to the island.

Posted by: Kasey

Kasey to get the 6 back to the Island.

Here's a thought. When Locke and Ben were saying goodbye, Ben apologized for "making his life so miserable.". Did he mean just on the island or his entire life. Richard was at the hospital when he was born then his foster home years later. Could Ben and the Island have influenced his ENTIRE LIFE!!!!

I think Michael is dead because he was down in the boat by the explosives - and because of Christian's visit.
Jin, I hope he is not dead. He possibly could be blown off and maybe picked up by Faraday.

Keamy said to Ben something like Widmore will find you no matter where you go. And then Ben said not if I find him first. Well we know by flashforward that Ben did find Widmore. He talked to him about killing Penny because of Alex. He didn't kill Widmore when he obviously could've. So what the hell did it mean when he said if I find him first??

I give it an A!

Thoughts:

Finding out that Sawyer is okay contributed to the A grade (as well as the shirtless scene). I agree with Lauren that Sawyer and Juliet together would by yucky to say the least, but, unfortunately I think that will happen.

Ben is soooo evil, but I love him!

I love that Des and Penny are together. I got up and cheered and so did my 8 year-old daughter.

I want to punch Jack (okay, that's nothing new). He takes all the credit for rescuing the O6, when it was Sawyer's sacrifice that saved them.

Poor Sun. I'm glad she's not wallowing in her sorrow. I cheered in TNLH Part 1 when she told off her dad. You go girl!

Loved Locke watching the video while Ben destroyed the time machine segment. Classic.

Taller (not) Ghost Walt visiting Hurley. Excellent. I'm glad they're bringing him back into the story. I think he will be an integral part. His growth spurt just prevented it before without a believable reason (okay, believable is not really a term that should be associated with LOST, but what the heck).

Sayid saving "Sixth Sense" Hurley. Awesome.

"Checkmate, Mr. Eko". Super Awesome Dude.

I wasn't shocked that Locke was in the coffin - I pretty much expected it since last season.

All in all I enjoyed this season finale more than the previous three.

Angelica,

I've never thought about Locke dying to get back to the island, but that makes a lot of sense. What if he had to move the island again, and couldn't go back so instead he killed himself?

I also forgot about this exchange between Hurley and Sayid in the instituation. It makes me think that Sayid killed "Bentham". Thouht it was a little weird.
"Bentham's dead. Two days ago. They said it was suicide." Sayid
"What do you mean they said it was suicide? And why are you calling Bentham-," Hurley

Absolutely amazing 2 hours of Lost. I will miss Lost until next season. Loved how the finale tied up some loose ends, but presented A LOT of new questions:

-- So Charlotte was born on the island? I guess she was born before the current pregnancy crisis began.

-- Sun contacts Widmore, who obviously has ties with her father. Exactly how is Sun going to play this? Is she going to help Widmore or has Ben already enrolled her on his side? Will be interesting to see that develop.

-- What kind of bad things have happened on the island after its move? Did Locke have to move the island again to get back? Is he really dead? Who is in charge if he is really dead?

-- How will Ben and Jack be able to convince Sun, Hurley and Kate/Aaron to go back to the island? I am assuming that Ben already has Sayid in agreement.

-- What safe place is Sayid taking Hurley to? I bet it is whereever Ben is having the O6 congregate.

-- Has Widmore already taken the path that Ben is on? He sure knew exactly where Ben was going and what he was going to do. We know Ben's motivation for his "warfare" against Widmore, but what is Widmore's motiviation for wanting the island? How is Paik Industires involved?

There are MANY other questions that could be asked - this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Can't wait until next season!

lovesteamykeamy - wherever you are, my condolences on Keamy (RIP) I must admit I was hoping for a flashback before he finaly RIP

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Daniel -- I always love your take on the episodes and I have to agree with you about this season. While I was sometimes blown away (The Constant being the ULTIMATE Lost episode) I was more or less just sailing along. I thought last night's finale was solid, but it just lacked the pizazz of previous seasons. I think it is getting harder for the writers to wow us because the past was all about setting up the mythology of the story, now it has to be about the characters and their place in said story.
I'm sorry, but Jack just sucks on so many levels. I try every week to see some trace of intelligence in him, but the only thing I saw this week was him following Locke's advice to lie, which we all know he's so good at. He belongs with Kate "there's always someone holding a gun to head because I'm stupid".
I think Desmond and Penny are the true romatic, inspiring, gut tugging couple of this show and I would pay money to see them again!!!
Thanks again for always posting. I used to be a TMZer but now I think I'll just be a Danielite!!

I really am curious about Farraday and the rest of the rafties. I wonder if we will find out what happened to them.

I love that Ben told Locke to just do/say what he wants and the Others will follow him blindly. We always knew Ben had that power, but he totally cut the Others off at the knees by saying that they are that weak.

My one problem with this Locke Bentham thing, is if Jeremy "visited" them, wouldn't they all know it was Locke and call him Locke?

I'm really surprised that everyone here believes that the freighties are really dead. First off, hello, this is LOST... things are never what they appear. I don't have a guess as to how they'd survive, but I kind of think we'll see them again.

Also: if, as Ben says, "everyone" absolutely has to be together on the island again or else god knows what will happen, even dead-in-a-box Locke and Walt who's been gone for ages, wouldn't "everyone" also have to include Jin and Michael? And for that matter, everyone else who has died or "died" on the show - i.e. Eko, Charlie, etc. etc. etc. This may be a big ol' hole in the plot but it could also lead to a pretty freaking insane reunion later.

as far as EVERYONE going back to the island, i agree that would include michael and desmond, but everyone else (mr eko) who died on the island is still there.

Wow! I loved it!

I KNEW Locke wasn't the chosen one and he messed everything up just like I thought. Locke looked uncertain when he went back to the others and they waited for him to lead. He chose the knife again I think. Glad it wasn't Sawyer or Desmond in the coffin though(these were the alternate endings they showed on GMA this morning).

So Sun is on Whidmores side and the other losties are with Ben? Still no definite "bad" guy yet!

How touching was it that former enemies michael and jin put aside their differences and jin would have gone down with michael but michael let him out but yet they both died. Poor Sun, her screams were heartbreaking! Why does she blame Jack? Because he wouldn't let them all die too?

So does aaron belong in the whole group that needs to go back? I think he does. Claire probably doesn't want him to go back because everything is going wrong on the island.

I see it now, all the losties (with Walt and Aaron old enough to be a part of it) will reunite for a journey back to the "island" ala The Stand.

Two questions:
1. Has is been discussed/answered what significant connection Christian has to the island? Why is he so important to the island?

2. If the zodiac did not move with the island, won't they eventually be discovered? Even if no-names were on the zodiac they will still have to have a story? And why hasn't Jack thought of them, and their cover up?

I do not believe that time exists on the island, so it is irrelevant that 3 years have passed once the O6 were rescued, which explains why Richard Alpert never ages....

All the ladies on here are drooling over Sawyer. I particularly liked the episode of Kate running to Aaron's room. I think she forgot something.

T - I was wondering about Faraday too. Desmond is suppose to be his constant and Desmond isn't on the island anymore. Faraday will probably die a horrible death, because he was motoring back and forth between the island and the boat. That's if Faraday's boat made it back to the island before it moved.

Also, there is a lot that is going to happen on the island that we still don't know about. Kate says she doesn't want to go back because of all the horrible things that happened to the people on the island AFTER they left. Is this because of the electromangnetic exposure from moving the island again??

Claire is definately dead. She is like Libby now appearing in dreams.

I called the whole Penny rescues the O6 on the raft. It totally gave me chills when they said Ms Widmore. Also love the kiss between Des and Pen. (dusty) :)

Sun- I'm afraid Sun is holding a very big grudge for the other person who she feels is responsible for Jin's death. I'm afraid she thinks it's Jack. Jack gave the order not to go back. Could get messy.

Locke is to Jeremy Bentham as Ben is to Dean Moriaty. It's just the passport that Locke had on him and the name under which he travels so protect his O6 identity.

I loved this finale. A+ in my book. so much to think about....

Locke wouldn't have to die to get off the island. We know that Richard (and presumably Ben, due to all the cash and passports) could leave the island at will (and safely return).
Also, Ben told John before he went into the ice cold cave place that the Others would tell John everything they know. John could have easily learned from Richard how to travel to and from the island

Desmond and the pilot aren't included in the "Oceanic 6" because they were never on the Oceanic Flight. No one needs to account for him.

Thought they could have spent a little more money on the effects. I was dissapointed with the freighter explosion, the island dissappear, and the helicopter crash.

Maybe I'm just nitpicking, but Lost writers are pretty smart, and treat the audience the same (for the most part.) So to see Frank be so inept as a heli pilot that he can't see anything from the pilot seat is weak. And you can't fly a helicopter with two hands on the collective (stick.)

Just about every scene with Hurley was dynamite, and it was nice to see Ben back to his bipolar self. I've actually started to dislike Jack, I've nicknamed him Jack-ass for a good part of the season.

I totally believe that Charlotte is Annie, they kind of gave that away, and I'm hopeful that Daniel, Jin, and Michael will be back next season. Sure the boat blew up, but they didn't really solidify it - Christian said to Michael, "you can go now." Then we see the boat blow up, but not a clear sense of how much time passed. And while I do hope for it, it will be kind of a cop-out on the writer's part.

Miles, as always, is creepy intriguing.

Several things:
-we've already seen a group of people all end up on an island, bringing a casket with them. I couldn't stop thinking of Jack bringing his father back from Sydney when 185 crashed, the whole time I was listening to Ben tell Jack they 'all have to go back, even him'.

-Desmond is off the hook, so to speak, for the time being because he and Penny are going to disappear. But never fear, he'll play a big part next season because Ben has already told Whidmore he wants to even the score and kill HIS daughter (penny); this is all very interesting though because Penny is in cahoots with the Oceanic 6, helping them to do their 'cover up', and thereby working against her father (though I don't know if she knows it or not)... this is much like Alex, who always helped the Losties but ultimately got killed eventually. Foreshadowing?

-I agree with the posters saying that Locke (Bentham) has left the island to recruit everyone to go back, but why are you thinking he has moved the island again? AND, I don't understand how he could possibly be dead... who killed him? I know that someone said suicide but thats obviously not it. Furthermore, if the island doesn't let you die, how could he die? Is he really dead?

I don't agree that Charlotte is Annie. Ben would know her for sure and nothing out of the ordinary was made out of that.

Honestly....I think that Widmore used to be the Ben of the island and Charlotte is his daughter that was born there. He moved the island (which is why he has to look for it) and got banished and his wife left with their kids. I have nothing that supports that, other than we have learned that Charlotte was apparently born there and the only people with British accents are the Widmores.

I'm surprised you couldn't tell by Hurleys face (when he was talking to Walt) that Michael was dead (before we saw the scene where he died. To me his face said "i'm so sorry"

WHAT is Christian - a ghost?

Oh, my God. I've said it before, but once more for effect: Checkmate, Mr Eko!!! That is the best line ever on the history of LOST ("Desmond Hume will be my constant" was never a line, but rather a written comment, of course). Naveen Andrews and Michael Emerson are the best actors in about ever. The scene with Hurley and Sayid in the mental institution kicked serious ass. In fact, the whole episode kicked serious ass. A+, seriously, WOW.

Re: Michael and Jin--I think they're dead, but like Christian and Claire, they could show up again. With Locke, he might be dead off-island, but still somehow alive on-island. For a few minutes there I thought it was Desmond--when Jack and him were talking--"see you in another life, brutha", etc, and I was really worried about him. When for-some-insane-reason-young-and-hot Ben showed up in the funeral parlor and Jack referenced Bentham begging him to go back, it was pretty obvious it was Locke.

Sayid said they were calling him "Bentham" because they're being "watched"...by Widmore's men? It's more of them protecting everyone else on the Island by not revealing the real name, as the name "John Locke" would have been on the manifest, and the man should therefore be at the bottom of the ocean, not in a coffin in Los Angeles. Calling him "John Locke" when they may be watched by Widmore's men, and are definitely being scrutinized by the media, would just blow a hole in their super-careful story.

An interesting thing to note re: the cover story about the "other three": the causes of death they gave for Boone and Charlie were their actual causes of death. Not sure why they chose those three, though. Maybe there will be another reason sometime, but I doubt it. I think maybe they were just three people that the writers wanted to end the storylines/speculation on. In the case of Libby, maybe it was a way to reintroduce her to the story, because we still desperately need background on her, right?

Final thoughts: In LOST, no one is ever dead. Locke is the next Christian Shepherd.

Rest in peace, Keamy. You'll be missed. All three of you.

Angelica: great point about Jack taking Christian's body to the island and Christian "resurrecting", so maybe the same will happen with Locke. (Let's hope so!) I

Sara - I agree with you. Locke was traveling back and forth visiting the O6 just like Mr Friendly and Ben.

What I can't stop thinking about is the different sides that have developed.

Against the O6 going back to the island:
Claire
Kate
Christian - he said Aaron was where he needed to be and he could of kept him when he had him. He left him to be taken off the island.

For the O6 going back to the island:
Locke
Ben
Charlie
Jack
Hurley

When the island did disappear so did the raft but notice that instead of a suction pulling the water down waves rippled back from where the island had been?

where/when did they say that boone, charlie and libby were the other three? I missed that

Does anyone have any thoughts on the Tom (Other) character showing up again in the next season? He seems to go to and from the island without a problem (or so he alluded to earlier this season). I think he has an answer or two.

I thought it was pretty cool how the OC06 have no clue if Sawyer made it or not; then Sawyer makes it to the beach and sees the smoke and instantly his heart sank, believing Kate to be dead. What an interesting paradigm, each side believing the other is gone.

I have had this same feeling when Charlie sacrificed himself but we never truly saw him dead, when Claire disappeared, when the one-eyed guy kept coming back from the dead (!), and it seems like its happened before too...

Makes me wonder if Jin is really dead?

i agree that Libby will come back in the story next season. so many unanswered questions with her- who is her dead husband and how is he connected to the Losties or possibly Widmore? why was she in the mental institution? was it just coincidence that she gave Desmond her husbands boat and then he crashes it on the island? perhaps she was in cahoots with widmore to get desmond on the island and away from Penny.

Can someone please comment- Why would Claire tell Kate that she better not take him (Aaron) back to the island? She was so upset about it. Is it because he's her constant? It also seemed that she must have already known that Ben would try to rally everyone up to go back. It was as if she was warning Kate about it before Jack or Ben would present the idea to her. Someone please comment.

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