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So I was a little put off reading the diary because Daniel hadn't already seen the press conference with new footage and so didn't know that we already know who the three extras were. Just saying.

And, oh, Come on Daniel, you are being a tad bit jaded when it comes to some of the plot devices. Since the big gun fight was right next to the chopper, I would have been disappointed had it NOT had a bullet hole in it somewhere, and you know, bullets never hit non-important mechanics. Guns are going off everywhere and the chopper DOESN'T get hit would be stupid.

I was really confused though, how the heck they were going to explain Des and Frank. But when Penny showed up -- it was the first time I got really teary eyed at a scene on LOST. Jack telling Desi that he would "see him in an other live, brother," was priceless.

Love the rationale, that they needed to put the O6 near where the plane was dropped in the ocean trench and even came up with a plausible island. Gotta think these things through to make the story work in the real world.

While yes, Claire was a dream, she was a dream like Walt was a dream for Locke. Astral projection and all of that.

Now waiting to see everyone elses thoughts!

:)

OK, I kinda see what you're saying....kinda. I remember thinking when Jack first saw the death notice that it was Locke but then seeing opinions elsewhere, I started to believe the guesses it was Ben...but when Ben was standing there, I was like thinking he was projecting a ghost thing, etc....totally confused but then when Locke was revealed, I was pissed at myself for doubting my instincts.

I too thought foreshadowing future Juliette/Sawyer pairing. Sort of shows how wrong the world has gotten that the foursome is switched. The world needs to right itself and put the right people together.

Loved the Mr. Eko moment too. Loved it!

Gotta love Sun. And yes, I have a feeling the island had to move before and that's how Charles got shoved to the outside world. My guess is because of all the 'horrible things' that happened on the island after they left, Locke was forced to move the island again, hence why he was back in the world with the others. This episode has made me anxious for next season, which is why I would grade it a bit higher than you did.

Aspirin won't help me...

Did Ben put all the metal in the "time machine" to break it so no one else could use it?

How did Locke get off the island? Did he come back to get the others to return? He killed himself? Que??

I think Sawyer asked Kate to make sure his daughter was provided for when he was on the helicopter and that's what she was doing for him.

Sun is giving Sayid a run for his money in the Badass Department!

I don't care how Sawyer lost his shirt...I'm just glad he did! :)

I thought this episode was amazing. I give it an A. Loved reading your perspective Daniel. This episode was alot to take in and I will be watching again. The island must be future technology or alien technology. Or Atlantis???

Mmm, I agree with every thing Daniel said. Even though I had a feeling it would be Locke in the coffin, I was still shocked to actually see it.

I don't understand the whole Jeremy Bentham thing, though. I said before, Walt ALWAYS called him Mr. Locke, and when we was talking to Hurley in the asylum he actually called him Mr. Bentham. That doesn't seem right to me.

Hurley's game of chess with Mr. Eko gave me goosebumps. I don't think Hurley's crazy, he's obviously really talking to the dead.

Claire screaming at Kate to not take him back freaked me out.

I cried like a baby when Sun saw the freighter explode. Her acting was absolutely phenomenal. However, I believe that Michael's dead but Jin is still alive. Anybody else agree?

I'm glad the comments are working, because it's Friday so I've alotted the rest of my day to Lost theories and rewatching the finale, haha.

does anyone remember the URL for the fake commercial at the end of the episodes?

Two points:

1) Well it appears that "Ben isn't able to kill anyone" theory has been proved wrong.

2) Ok, so the John Locke/Jeremy Bentham is interesting. Both were political figures in real life. I wikipedia'd Jeremy Bentham and found this:

"As requested in his will, his body was preserved and stored in a wooden cabinet, termed his "Auto-icon". Originally kept by his disciple Dr. Southwood Smith,[11] it was acquired by University College London in 1850. The Auto-icon is kept on public display at the end of the South Cloisters in the main building of the College. For
the 100th and 150th anniversaries of the college, the Auto-icon was brought to the meeting of the College Council, where he was listed as "present but not voting".[12] Tradition holds that if the council's
vote on any motion is tied, the auto-icon always breaks the tie by voting in favour of the motion.

The Auto-icon has always had a wax head, as Bentham's head was badly damaged in the preservation process. The real head was displayed in the same case for many years, but became the target of repeated student pranks including being stolen on more than one occasion. It is now locked away securely."

So I think Locke isn't really dead, but maybe has a wax head? Faked his death?

I have to laugh at the irony of Locke being Bentham. The real Jeremy Bentham was a big proponent of natural rights, and animal rights. Locke, the mighty hunter, goes by Bentham? LOL

I think you're on to something, Daniel, with Widmore maybe being in Ben's position before. That makes a lot of sense.

Was it just me, or is Ben extra creepy when he's off island? That scene at the funeral home was just... whoa..

I think that Aaron (and previously Walt) were so wanted by the Others because they were chosen as the next generation of leader. Kind of like how Richard came to Locke when he was young.

I think it was OctagonRecruiting.com, if that's what you're talking about.

I agree...when was Charlotte on that island? Why did she want to get back to it? Now Jack, Kate, Sun, Hurley, Sayid, Aaron, and Locke have to go back to the island? Is Desmond included in the "all of you have to return"?
Loved that Penny & Des finally got together, but now he must be hiding out from her father. And I guess Ben is also trying to find Penny to kill her in retaliation for Alex's death. Where did Locke get the name Jeremy Bentham?
What is making the pilot keep his mouth shut about the island?
Sawyer make the greatest sacrifice for Kate. Now I'm just mad that Jack was yelling at her that he saved her and Sawyer chose to stay on the island...he jumped so they all could make it....
Loved when Hurley told Jack, "that's exactly what he did", when Jack told him Locke didn't move the island...

Can't wait til next season!!! HURRY!!!

-Walt: they were able to play it nicely into the show that he is older now. We know given Kate’s comment to Jack that they are 3 years into the future (after they left the island). I think that he will also need to return to them, that’s why “Jeremy” visited him.
-The island has for sure moved in space, and I do think possibly time. If you recall to the episode earlier in the season where Ben plays super warrior with the guys in the desert he asked the woman at the desk of the hotel what year it was.
-Ben is a good guy and a bad guy, it just depends on who you are and what he wants and we know he will do ANYTHING to protect the island, even apparently banishing himself.
-As for Charlotte she must have been born on the island. She implied it so I’m going to assume that’s why. I have no idea why Miles would want to stay except for the supernatural properties. Maybe he knows why Charlotte wants to stay and that’s why he’s staying.
-Sawyer has always been a hero :) I don’t think he ever really wanted to be a bad guy, but was so hurt by the conditions surrounding his parents, he let the grief consume him. Now that he offed the real “Sawyer” he’s vindicated and can be the good guy. He also really loves Kate and would apparently do anything to save her. My biggest lament about him staying on the island is that I do not want him to hook up with Juliet but it wouldn’t surprise me if that happens, I'm with Lauren on this one I pray they do not end up together. I can't stand Juliet. As for him coming out of the ocean dripping wet and shirtless, *YUM*.
-I think we will see more of Desmond and possibly Frank. Not sure what to think about Frank’s future, but since Desmond has a personal tie to Whidmore we’ll see him again. I was happy that Desmond and Penny finally found each other :D
-Sun has something up her sleeve, I’m curious to learn her motives. It will be interesting to see that play out. I was beside myself when I saw Jin blow up, that made me very sad :(
-Will be interesting to see what happens to Faraday. I’m going to assume they made it back to the island before it moved. He had a sense of foreboding though, he knew he wasn’t coming back to the island which is why he told Charlotte and Miles to come with him, so we’ll have to see.
-As was stated, bad things happened on the island after everyone left. I’m going to assume it’s not safe for Aaron to go back, but we also don’t really know why. I’m also assuming that Claire is dead since she’s been hanging with Christian.
-Locke left the island to come get the 6 who got off. He needs them to come back together and he was coming to convince them to come back. I’m upset that he died, but it didn’t shock me that it was him in the casket.
Can’t wait for next season, it’s going to be a long 8 months or so :( Will have to go back and rewatch this season and learn more.

Wow! I don't know why Daniel gave this episode a B+ - I give it an A. What more can we ask for...clever lines, questions answered, questions presented...OMG moments, a great kiss between Sawyer and Kate...a powerful Jin-Sun moment. Now the withdrawal begins...

NOT ONLY WAS CLAIRE A BIT PUFFY.. I THOUGHT LOCKE LOOKED IT ALSO WHEN HE WAS IN THE COFFIN. ALSO JIN...SIGH... IM GONNA MISS HIS KOREAN ASS. "BOMB" THATS JUST UPSETS ME.

Okay, here are a few comments/questions that have been swirling in my head since last night...

1. Ben was hilarious in this episode.

2. was keamy dead like claire is dead when he went into the Orchid, or did he just not die earlier?

3. was anyone else disappointed in the Orchid video v. the one on youtube?

4. also, I'll apologize to kat ahead of time, but after Sawyer jumped out last night, I got really annoyed with Jack's comment in Part I (I think) when he got mad at Kate for doing a favor for Sawyer b/c he was the one who saved her. Sawyer saved her. IMO or so it seems after last night.

it was...

www.octagonglobalrecruiting.com

I bet Charlotte is totally Claire and Charlie's daughter.

Oh, what does everyone think about the raft with Faraday? Do we believe that he traveled to the island's new location or were the all goners?
Was anybody else on the raft crucial, or were they just random people who were on the island?

I think there was a lot more chemistry between Faraday and Juliette than between she and Sawyer. Wonder what's happened to Faraday (and the last bunch of Zodiac passengers - were they all nonentities in the scheme of the story?) Were they lost at sea or pulled in to the island's "move"?

checkmate, mr eko

i love this freakin show

thanks, daniel

i'll post more later...still rewatching AGAIN

SAWYERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yes. thanks kasey.

I just wanted to say that I laughed to myself when you pointed out that Claire had gotten, shall we say, heavier? It's horrbile but that's the first thing my friends and I noticed in that dream scene.

And I guess I missed that re-airing or whatever of that press conference? They said that the people who survived the crash and then died were Boone, Libby and Claire? Why them??

OK, yeah, I can see where you're coming from in terms of giving it an B+. I think you're being a little too critical but nevertheless I respect it.

The best WTF moment: Hurley calling out Mr. Eko, totally gave me chills.

My best moment was Sawyer walking out of the water without his shirt. (THANK YOU LOST PRODUCERS!! Next time: slo-mo)

No problem, Amiee. It's not nearly as interesting as I thought it would be =/

Okay...my opinion...Ben didn't want to leave the island, but did so to protect it, knowing he could never go back. We all KNOW Locke never wants to leave the island, so why would he be back in the States as Jeremy Bentham? The only explanation is that he ended up having to move the island himself three years from the last time it was moved, but he knew how to get back...by getting everyone to go back, and that's what he was trying to do when he went to see all these people, but he got killed before he could get back.

It's interesting that EVERYONE, including Walt, would have to go back for this to work, though...would it be because they plan to go back in time to the crash or something and if everyone is not there, it would screw up somehow? The minutes are already ticking too slow for next season to get here!

first off, you forgot one of my favorite parts of lost, the commerical tie-ins! Don't forget to go to the Octagon Global Recruiting!! i think its tied to comic-con...

Do you think that Michael was allowed to die now that the island is safe? And do you think Faraday's raft was close enough to the island that it was moved too?

checkmate, mr eko

i love this freakin show

thanks, daniel

i'll post more later...still rewatching AGAIN

SAWYERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think it was OctagonRecruiting.com, if that's what you're talking about.

Posted by: Kasey | May 30, 2008 08:39 AM

Actually is it http://www.octagonglobalrecruiting.com/

Also, no one has commented on Christian showing up to Michael right before the ship blew up. That gave me the chills.

Desmond and Penny forever!! Daniel im surprised you didnt comment on ben's last words to locke apologizing for how sucky lockes life has been. That means ben has probably been causing all of those crazy things to happen to locke in order to keep him off the island and away from taking over!

Also- michael cant die remember!? hell be back! seems as though aaron cant die either- hes the next leader! maybe walts the next richard?

lastly, christian shepard on the freighter with the bomb! holy crap! why would he let it explode? i hope he rescued jin!

Daniel, to quote the Dark Tower (not sure if you read it, but they reference it a lot on Lost), "You've forgotten the face of your father." I can't imagine how anyone could not think that this finale was supremely excellent. It answered A LOT of questions, but still gave us plenty to ponder. Sure some of it is obvious, but it is a tv show. The Sawyer scene in particular seemed like some reassurance for the ladies that our hottie is alive and well, but not a key figure right now. In all it was an awesome ending to a show in which we will have to wait 8 months or so to see the next installment. I can't imagine how they could have done any better. I find it sad when hard core Lost fans say that it doesn't do it for them lately. What exactly where you expecting?

Christian showing up is the only reason I think Michael is really dead. Christian told him "you can go now," so that has to mean that Michael could finally die, right?

i cant believe how choked up i got when Sun was screaming for Jin from the chopper. she is the best actress on the show for sure!

The helicopter crashed into the water when the island went poof. What the heck happened to the people in the Zodiac that were heading to the freighter? Are they back on the island? Did they move with the island? When the flash happened, they saw it on the helicopter and showed the people in the Zodiac seeing it too. Faraday can't be gone yet, can he?

I'm still trying to wrap my head around Christian appearing to Michael. I have to re-watch the episode.

If Claire appeared to Kate, even in a dream, does this mean Claire's dead? Is this the island's way of breaking the 6 down to the point they will agree to go back just to get the visions and hauntings to go away?

Christian is sort of starting to seem like the "Angel of Death" if you will. First with Claire and then with Michael...I don't know. It's very weird.

Does it annoy anyone else that during the press conference Kate says Aaron is five weeks old? I have three kids, that baby is NOT 5 weeks old! The show is so good with details, but not that one, and it's kind of an important detail! Bugs the crap out of me!

Gailen

They have to lie about Aaron's age to make their lie work. Didn't it say in the commentary that Turnip Head was really eight weeks? Yes, we know he looks older, but they have to lie for a reason

i thought the epidode was an A+. besides some of the special effects (chopper scenes), the episode was awesome!

I am interested in finding out if Faraday's raft moved with the island. I'm assuming so, because the helicopter should have seen it in the water.
But what will be of Faraday's fate? Can Desmond still be his constant???

TOTALLY agree with the B+, Daniel. Although there was suspense & good scenes, there was also "fromage" and I never had a blown away moment either. Locke in the coffin just left me with a "huh"? Instead of a "wow".
I also agree with your assessment for the whole season. Flash-forwards take the fun away when you know for sure certain characters are going to be around in the future. Not only that, but for me, the flash-backs provided me with emotional involvement towards the characters. I felt myself not feeling as invested in them this season for that reason. Another thing I feel is that the musical score this year sucked. I liked some of the past episodes being intertwined with "popular" music. Gave it a cool feel and added to the emotional connection. I just feel this season they slacked off, figuring we were all already emotionally invested in these characters and that they didn't have to do anything to keep that investment fresh.
I give Season 4 a B.
See ya next season, brutha!

Where to begin???

Vincent was on the beach

Is Locke really dead? Wax??

If Ben can't really get back to the island how is he going to take them all back. Remember Ben told Locke he ALWAYS has a plan?

When Ben moved the frozen wheel he looked up to ask Jacob if he was happy now.

Phone call to Claire? Anyone else think it sounds like Locke?

Charlotte Annie? Remember when she finds the polar bear and freaks out. Maybe not about polar bear but seeing the Dharma collar?

Hieroglyphics on rocks in cave

Sun talking about Frank and Desmond leaving island as well or Ben?

Dharma comerical hysterical!! Recruiting already.

Crackers 15 years old and still fresh? Explain why Richard doesn't age?

Walt wondering why no one except Jeremy coming to see him? Pissed or wondering why they don't realize he has the power to help them? Really be Abbadon?? Still think Walt a major part of this series with his special powers while reading comic books.Same bird flies into window, polar bear appears???

Aaron - miracles?? This proved by his going without food and water. Surving helicopter crash, etc.? By the way did anyone else notice the photograh in Aaron's room of him sitting on a bike like the old one that (Ben?) had in a flashback?

What to make of Jack and his promises never keeps? Going back for Sawyer, helicopter wait for Jin?

Loved Sawyer coming out of the water without his shirt!!!

All I can think of for now. Posted earlier think Sun has connection with people being whacked off. Revenge for Jin's death?

WOW all trying to post at same time seems to have crashed the site! LOL Hope I finally get this on.

Christie, OctoganRecruiting.com works too. It's the same site.

to Todd:
Charlotte Clair and Charlie's Daughter? Man I love that theory

but, claire told kate not to EVER bring aaron back to the island, so it seems kate's vision is working against everyone else's...

Does anyone else think that the when the Island moved at some other point that is how the Black Rock ended up on the middle of the island? How else does a ship get caught in the Middle of an Island?? it came up underneath it.

Last night's episode was great!! We got a few answers and were presented with a few new mysteries. I went from the lowest low when Jin blew up on the freighter (Sun's anguish nearly killed me!) to the hightest high when Desmond and Penny reunited. Both scenes gave me goosebumps and made me cry like a little girl.

I LOVE THIS SHOW! Thank you Lost writers, producers, and actors for having enough faith in American intelligence to not "dumb it down" into another boring, cookie cutter, network drama.

If the John Locke in the casket was only wax, then why would Ben tell Jack that they had to take him back to the island, too? It's not like they would have to take a wax-Locke back to the island.

I was expecting Walt to have some sort of creepy island insight when he went to see Hurley. I was kind of disappointed in that, but I would imagine there's more to come next season with why Walt is back in the picture.

Hi Janelle,
I get that they have to lie, but what about the public? Doesn't it seem like someone would wonder...Hmmm, that lady says her baby is five weeks old, he doesn't look it. What about medical tests and so forth? How do they make their lie work when the age doesn't match up? That's all I'm wondering.

Great episode last night! Finally got some answers...how the O6 actually got off the island, who else Sun blames for Jin's death (Jack), that Sun has "shares common interests" w/Mr. Whidmore, that Desmond & Penny reunite (thank God), who was in the coffin (Locke), that Ben can't ever go back to the island, that Aaron can't go back either...and we got to see Walt (damn, boy sure got big)! Seriously the episode was packed.

I did a bit of research on Jeremy Bentham (Locke's alias - name attributed to the body in the coffin):

Jeremy Bentham was an English philosopher and political radical. Although he never practiced law, he spent most of his life critiquing the existing law and strongly advocating legal reform. Bentham is primarily known today for his moral philosophy, especially his principle of utilitarianism which evaluates actions based upon their consequences, in particular the overall happiness created for everyone affected by the action. He maintained that putting this principle into consistent practice would provide justification for social, political, and legal institutions. Although Bentham's influence was minor during his life, his impact was greater in later years as his ideas were carried on by followers such as John Stuart Mill, John Austin, and other consequentialists.

All thanks 2 this site:
http://www.iep.utm.edu/b/bentham.htm

I thought the 2 people Sun blames for Jin's death are her dad and Widmore (or maybe Ben), but not Jack.

My head is still spinning. The first thing I want to say right now is I HATE JACK! Really, I do. Have his actions resulted in everyone being miserable? Yep! Do I blame him that my Locke is in that coffin? YESSIREE! Team Locke 4EVER! And I am digging Miles so much right now. More Miles in Season 5!

This is my prediction...Ben said at the end of this episode that everybody (even the dead body of Locke) had to go back to the island. I bet they all do go back and when they do the island will bring Locke back to life. After all, the island likes Locke because all along he was trying to save it. The island made Locke be able to walk again. The island brought Christian back to life...if it brought Christian back to life it would definately bring Locke back to life.

I'm with Daniel on what to expect next season...off the island (which were flashforwards in season 4) will be the present and they will flashback to what happened on the island right after Ben moved the island.

I wonder if everybody will make it back on the island before the sixth and final season. I wonder what the plot would be for season 6 if they all got on the island at the end of season 5. I would be completely happy with the series ending with everybody on the island and they live there happily ever after. After all, every single one of the passengers had better lives on the island anyway. It's a perfect fit for all of them.

A few thoughts ...

- How did Ben know how to move the island? Since he had to blow a hole in the "time traveling bunny" portal to get to the cave, it couldn't have been done before, right? Now that the cave is accessible, I suppose John could go down there, spin the wheel o' mystery and move it again ... but how did BEN know what to do?

- What happened to Daniel and the boat? Was it sucked under when the island went down (was that not a cool effect or what?) or are they still floating out there? Wouldn't Penny's boat have found them too?

- Sun told her father she blamed two people for her husband's death and he was one of them. Who is the second? Jack said Sun blamed HIM last night ... but it was KATE who promised to go back and get him ... but then went back to the helicopter without him.

- When they shot Kearny in the back, I thought ... am I the only one who sees he's wearing a bullet proof vest? He was wearing body armor, people ... and the Losties were standing OVER him ... like they couldn't see him? His being alive was totally not a shock ...

- When Kearny told Ben the boat would be destroyed if Ben killed him ... I thought, "You don't know who you're dealing with ... " So again, it was no shock when Ben said, "So?"

Great episode ... though. I agree with the B+ grade ...

It was Octagonglobalrecruiting.com

You know what...I have no idea how I want Lost to end. I don't want them to all be happy, but I don't want them all to be miserable. I don't want them living on the island forever, and I don't really want them all living off of the island forever.
Man, I don't even know.

This is the first ever live performance of the (only) recap rock band Previously on Lost. They are assembling a seven piece band and many surprises for this show. The first hundred people through the door will receive a free lei, and the song corresponding with the season finale will be performed and recorded live for the album at this show, complete with audience participation. If you come to the show, you’ll be on the record.

Sunday, June 1st

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Performing season four of Lost in its entirety

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okay i've been busy all morning & just had to throw this out there real quick...did anyone else notice that ben moved the island & got that cut on his arm just as the losties helicopter goes down but he shows up in the desert & its 2005 & nadia is dead already?

I'm thinking Jin's not dead, but I wouldn't be surprised if they killed him--haven't all the actors that have gotten DUIs been killed off?

The Sun scene in the helicopter had my crying (amazing acting!), as did Desmond and Penny's reunion.

I dont think Charlotte is Annie. She might be her daugther or something like that.
I mean, she's younger then Ben and he shot her at he begning of this season. I mean, if she was Annie he would know. Or she might be the last baby born in the island, and her mother died and she spent all of her life obsessed to know more about the island and all.
I think Annie got out of the island or died, and that she looked like Juliet, because in that episode when we saw a Juliet flashback (when we finds out that Ben was in love with her) the doctor told her "of course he treats you well. you look like her" (or something like that). I think she meant Annie, and that Ben loved Annie and that's the reason he was so obsessed by Juliet.
I think the next season has to be amazing, in every each episode because they have to show what happens with that 3 years gap between when the oceanic six get off the island and Jack trying to get back and then what happens with those who stayed in the island.
And i hope, and i dont matter how lame it sounds, that Jin is still alive. Because after Penny and Desmond they have the most beautiful love story. They should end up together.
One crazy theory: what if Christian Sheppard (Jack's father) was in the island and then leave and had no way to get back, so he did like Locke: died to get back???
I mean, I think that the whole accident have something to do with the presence of Christian's body inside the air plane. So what if it wasnt the first time that Jack carries a body back to the island?? What if....hehehehe

I am interested in finding out if Faraday's raft moved with the island. I'm assuming so, because the helicopter should have seen it in the water.
But what will be of Faraday's fate? Can Desmond still be his constant???

To melobanker:
The more I think about it, the more sense it makes. The names are so similar, the heavier Claire, and why she didn't leave the island (not to mention giving up Aaron) ... I'd put money on it.

what do we all make of Hurley playing chess with the black pieces (evil) against Mr Ecko with the white pieces (good) and then defeating mr ecko when he chooses to go with sayidd to a safer place? where is he going? I bet the series fianlly ends with them all back on the island as the new hostles!

hey losties.you should all check that site out..it's a theory about fate and time travel that does seems to make a lot of sense...especialy after re watching previous episode
http://www.timelooptheory.com/index.htm

When Ben tells Locke he is sorry he's made his life so miserable got me thinking.

What would have happened if Ben had approached the Losties in a different way? Instead of sending Ethan and what's his name to take a list and get people's names and start kidnapping people -- what would have happened if he'd just left them alone? Or, if he would have reached out to them in a non-lethal way and offered to let people live with them and be honest about what this place was?

Didn't Ben cause all of this by trying to control everything that happened on the island?

"They said that the people who survived the crash and then died were Boone, Libby and Claire? Why them??

Posted by: alex | May 30, 2008 08:46 AM "

Actually, it was Boone, Libby and Charlie that Jack identified as having died after the crash.

I don't think Jin and Michael are dead...if Jack has to get all of them back to the island (Kate, Aaron, Walt, Hurley, Sun, Sayid, Desmond), he's got to have some bargaining power. Why would Sun and Walt go back if their loved ones were dead? And Walt hinted as much, because when he went to see Hurley(after his visit from Bentham) and Hurley told him they had to go back for the ones left behind, and Walt said, Like my dad? He wouldn't go back to pick up bits of Michael. I think Michael and Jin are where ever Claire is.

First time poster, been browsing this for a while.

I feel like I'm at a Backstreet Boys concert with all the comments about Sawyer.
Geez girls, keep your panties on. :)

the John Locke in the casket was only wax, then why would Ben tell Jack that they had to take him back to the island, too? It's not like they would have to take a wax-Locke back to the island.

Posted by: Kasey

Kasey to get the 6 back to the Island.

Here's a thought. When Locke and Ben were saying goodbye, Ben apologized for "making his life so miserable.". Did he mean just on the island or his entire life. Richard was at the hospital when he was born then his foster home years later. Could Ben and the Island have influenced his ENTIRE LIFE!!!!

I think Michael is dead because he was down in the boat by the explosives - and because of Christian's visit.
Jin, I hope he is not dead. He possibly could be blown off and maybe picked up by Faraday.

Keamy said to Ben something like Widmore will find you no matter where you go. And then Ben said not if I find him first. Well we know by flashforward that Ben did find Widmore. He talked to him about killing Penny because of Alex. He didn't kill Widmore when he obviously could've. So what the hell did it mean when he said if I find him first??

I give it an A!

Thoughts:

Finding out that Sawyer is okay contributed to the A grade (as well as the shirtless scene). I agree with Lauren that Sawyer and Juliet together would by yucky to say the least, but, unfortunately I think that will happen.

Ben is soooo evil, but I love him!

I love that Des and Penny are together. I got up and cheered and so did my 8 year-old daughter.

I want to punch Jack (okay, that's nothing new). He takes all the credit for rescuing the O6, when it was Sawyer's sacrifice that saved them.

Poor Sun. I'm glad she's not wallowing in her sorrow. I cheered in TNLH Part 1 when she told off her dad. You go girl!

Loved Locke watching the video while Ben destroyed the time machine segment. Classic.

Taller (not) Ghost Walt visiting Hurley. Excellent. I'm glad they're bringing him back into the story. I think he will be an integral part. His growth spurt just prevented it before without a believable reason (okay, believable is not really a term that should be associated with LOST, but what the heck).

Sayid saving "Sixth Sense" Hurley. Awesome.

"Checkmate, Mr. Eko". Super Awesome Dude.

I wasn't shocked that Locke was in the coffin - I pretty much expected it since last season.

All in all I enjoyed this season finale more than the previous three.

Angelica,

I've never thought about Locke dying to get back to the island, but that makes a lot of sense. What if he had to move the island again, and couldn't go back so instead he killed himself?

I also forgot about this exchange between Hurley and Sayid in the instituation. It makes me think that Sayid killed "Bentham". Thouht it was a little weird.
"Bentham's dead. Two days ago. They said it was suicide." Sayid
"What do you mean they said it was suicide? And why are you calling Bentham-," Hurley

Absolutely amazing 2 hours of Lost. I will miss Lost until next season. Loved how the finale tied up some loose ends, but presented A LOT of new questions:

-- So Charlotte was born on the island? I guess she was born before the current pregnancy crisis began.

-- Sun contacts Widmore, who obviously has ties with her father. Exactly how is Sun going to play this? Is she going to help Widmore or has Ben already enrolled her on his side? Will be interesting to see that develop.

-- What kind of bad things have happened on the island after its move? Did Locke have to move the island again to get back? Is he really dead? Who is in charge if he is really dead?

-- How will Ben and Jack be able to convince Sun, Hurley and Kate/Aaron to go back to the island? I am assuming that Ben already has Sayid in agreement.

-- What safe place is Sayid taking Hurley to? I bet it is whereever Ben is having the O6 congregate.

-- Has Widmore already taken the path that Ben is on? He sure knew exactly where Ben was going and what he was going to do. We know Ben's motivation for his "warfare" against Widmore, but what is Widmore's motiviation for wanting the island? How is Paik Industires involved?

There are MANY other questions that could be asked - this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Can't wait until next season!

lovesteamykeamy - wherever you are, my condolences on Keamy (RIP) I must admit I was hoping for a flashback before he finaly RIP

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Daniel -- I always love your take on the episodes and I have to agree with you about this season. While I was sometimes blown away (The Constant being the ULTIMATE Lost episode) I was more or less just sailing along. I thought last night's finale was solid, but it just lacked the pizazz of previous seasons. I think it is getting harder for the writers to wow us because the past was all about setting up the mythology of the story, now it has to be about the characters and their place in said story.
I'm sorry, but Jack just sucks on so many levels. I try every week to see some trace of intelligence in him, but the only thing I saw this week was him following Locke's advice to lie, which we all know he's so good at. He belongs with Kate "there's always someone holding a gun to head because I'm stupid".
I think Desmond and Penny are the true romatic, inspiring, gut tugging couple of this show and I would pay money to see them again!!!
Thanks again for always posting. I used to be a TMZer but now I think I'll just be a Danielite!!

I really am curious about Farraday and the rest of the rafties. I wonder if we will find out what happened to them.

I love that Ben told Locke to just do/say what he wants and the Others will follow him blindly. We always knew Ben had that power, but he totally cut the Others off at the knees by saying that they are that weak.

My one problem with this Locke Bentham thing, is if Jeremy "visited" them, wouldn't they all know it was Locke and call him Locke?

I'm really surprised that everyone here believes that the freighties are really dead. First off, hello, this is LOST... things are never what they appear. I don't have a guess as to how they'd survive, but I kind of think we'll see them again.

Also: if, as Ben says, "everyone" absolutely has to be together on the island again or else god knows what will happen, even dead-in-a-box Locke and Walt who's been gone for ages, wouldn't "everyone" also have to include Jin and Michael? And for that matter, everyone else who has died or "died" on the show - i.e. Eko, Charlie, etc. etc. etc. This may be a big ol' hole in the plot but it could also lead to a pretty freaking insane reunion later.

as far as EVERYONE going back to the island, i agree that would include michael and desmond, but everyone else (mr eko) who died on the island is still there.

Wow! I loved it!

I KNEW Locke wasn't the chosen one and he messed everything up just like I thought. Locke looked uncertain when he went back to the others and they waited for him to lead. He chose the knife again I think. Glad it wasn't Sawyer or Desmond in the coffin though(these were the alternate endings they showed on GMA this morning).

So Sun is on Whidmores side and the other losties are with Ben? Still no definite "bad" guy yet!

How touching was it that former enemies michael and jin put aside their differences and jin would have gone down with michael but michael let him out but yet they both died. Poor Sun, her screams were heartbreaking! Why does she blame Jack? Because he wouldn't let them all die too?

So does aaron belong in the whole group that needs to go back? I think he does. Claire probably doesn't want him to go back because everything is going wrong on the island.

I see it now, all the losties (with Walt and Aaron old enough to be a part of it) will reunite for a journey back to the "island" ala The Stand.

Two questions:
1. Has is been discussed/answered what significant connection Christian has to the island? Why is he so important to the island?

2. If the zodiac did not move with the island, won't they eventually be discovered? Even if no-names were on the zodiac they will still have to have a story? And why hasn't Jack thought of them, and their cover up?

I do not believe that time exists on the island, so it is irrelevant that 3 years have passed once the O6 were rescued, which explains why Richard Alpert never ages....

All the ladies on here are drooling over Sawyer. I particularly liked the episode of Kate running to Aaron's room. I think she forgot something.

T - I was wondering about Faraday too. Desmond is suppose to be his constant and Desmond isn't on the island anymore. Faraday will probably die a horrible death, because he was motoring back and forth between the island and the boat. That's if Faraday's boat made it back to the island before it moved.

Also, there is a lot that is going to happen on the island that we still don't know about. Kate says she doesn't want to go back because of all the horrible things that happened to the people on the island AFTER they left. Is this because of the electromangnetic exposure from moving the island again??

Claire is definately dead. She is like Libby now appearing in dreams.

I called the whole Penny rescues the O6 on the raft. It totally gave me chills when they said Ms Widmore. Also love the kiss between Des and Pen. (dusty) :)

Sun- I'm afraid Sun is holding a very big grudge for the other person who she feels is responsible for Jin's death. I'm afraid she thinks it's Jack. Jack gave the order not to go back. Could get messy.

Locke is to Jeremy Bentham as Ben is to Dean Moriaty. It's just the passport that Locke had on him and the name under which he travels so protect his O6 identity.

I loved this finale. A+ in my book. so much to think about....

Locke wouldn't have to die to get off the island. We know that Richard (and presumably Ben, due to all the cash and passports) could leave the island at will (and safely return).
Also, Ben told John before he went into the ice cold cave place that the Others would tell John everything they know. John could have easily learned from Richard how to travel to and from the island

Desmond and the pilot aren't included in the "Oceanic 6" because they were never on the Oceanic Flight. No one needs to account for him.

Thought they could have spent a little more money on the effects. I was dissapointed with the freighter explosion, the island dissappear, and the helicopter crash.

Maybe I'm just nitpicking, but Lost writers are pretty smart, and treat the audience the same (for the most part.) So to see Frank be so inept as a heli pilot that he can't see anything from the pilot seat is weak. And you can't fly a helicopter with two hands on the collective (stick.)

Just about every scene with Hurley was dynamite, and it was nice to see Ben back to his bipolar self. I've actually started to dislike Jack, I've nicknamed him Jack-ass for a good part of the season.

I totally believe that Charlotte is Annie, they kind of gave that away, and I'm hopeful that Daniel, Jin, and Michael will be back next season. Sure the boat blew up, but they didn't really solidify it - Christian said to Michael, "you can go now." Then we see the boat blow up, but not a clear sense of how much time passed. And while I do hope for it, it will be kind of a cop-out on the writer's part.

Miles, as always, is creepy intriguing.

Several things:
-we've already seen a group of people all end up on an island, bringing a casket with them. I couldn't stop thinking of Jack bringing his father back from Sydney when 185 crashed, the whole time I was listening to Ben tell Jack they 'all have to go back, even him'.

-Desmond is off the hook, so to speak, for the time being because he and Penny are going to disappear. But never fear, he'll play a big part next season because Ben has already told Whidmore he wants to even the score and kill HIS daughter (penny); this is all very interesting though because Penny is in cahoots with the Oceanic 6, helping them to do their 'cover up', and thereby working against her father (though I don't know if she knows it or not)... this is much like Alex, who always helped the Losties but ultimately got killed eventually. Foreshadowing?

-I agree with the posters saying that Locke (Bentham) has left the island to recruit everyone to go back, but why are you thinking he has moved the island again? AND, I don't understand how he could possibly be dead... who killed him? I know that someone said suicide but thats obviously not it. Furthermore, if the island doesn't let you die, how could he die? Is he really dead?

I don't agree that Charlotte is Annie. Ben would know her for sure and nothing out of the ordinary was made out of that.

Honestly....I think that Widmore used to be the Ben of the island and Charlotte is his daughter that was born there. He moved the island (which is why he has to look for it) and got banished and his wife left with their kids. I have nothing that supports that, other than we have learned that Charlotte was apparently born there and the only people with British accents are the Widmores.

I'm surprised you couldn't tell by Hurleys face (when he was talking to Walt) that Michael was dead (before we saw the scene where he died. To me his face said "i'm so sorry"

WHAT is Christian - a ghost?

Oh, my God. I've said it before, but once more for effect: Checkmate, Mr Eko!!! That is the best line ever on the history of LOST ("Desmond Hume will be my constant" was never a line, but rather a written comment, of course). Naveen Andrews and Michael Emerson are the best actors in about ever. The scene with Hurley and Sayid in the mental institution kicked serious ass. In fact, the whole episode kicked serious ass. A+, seriously, WOW.

Re: Michael and Jin--I think they're dead, but like Christian and Claire, they could show up again. With Locke, he might be dead off-island, but still somehow alive on-island. For a few minutes there I thought it was Desmond--when Jack and him were talking--"see you in another life, brutha", etc, and I was really worried about him. When for-some-insane-reason-young-and-hot Ben showed up in the funeral parlor and Jack referenced Bentham begging him to go back, it was pretty obvious it was Locke.

Sayid said they were calling him "Bentham" because they're being "watched"...by Widmore's men? It's more of them protecting everyone else on the Island by not revealing the real name, as the name "John Locke" would have been on the manifest, and the man should therefore be at the bottom of the ocean, not in a coffin in Los Angeles. Calling him "John Locke" when they may be watched by Widmore's men, and are definitely being scrutinized by the media, would just blow a hole in their super-careful story.

An interesting thing to note re: the cover story about the "other three": the causes of death they gave for Boone and Charlie were their actual causes of death. Not sure why they chose those three, though. Maybe there will be another reason sometime, but I doubt it. I think maybe they were just three people that the writers wanted to end the storylines/speculation on. In the case of Libby, maybe it was a way to reintroduce her to the story, because we still desperately need background on her, right?

Final thoughts: In LOST, no one is ever dead. Locke is the next Christian Shepherd.

Rest in peace, Keamy. You'll be missed. All three of you.

Angelica: great point about Jack taking Christian's body to the island and Christian "resurrecting", so maybe the same will happen with Locke. (Let's hope so!) I

Sara - I agree with you. Locke was traveling back and forth visiting the O6 just like Mr Friendly and Ben.

What I can't stop thinking about is the different sides that have developed.

Against the O6 going back to the island:
Claire
Kate
Christian - he said Aaron was where he needed to be and he could of kept him when he had him. He left him to be taken off the island.

For the O6 going back to the island:
Locke
Ben
Charlie
Jack
Hurley

When the island did disappear so did the raft but notice that instead of a suction pulling the water down waves rippled back from where the island had been?

where/when did they say that boone, charlie and libby were the other three? I missed that

Does anyone have any thoughts on the Tom (Other) character showing up again in the next season? He seems to go to and from the island without a problem (or so he alluded to earlier this season). I think he has an answer or two.

I thought it was pretty cool how the OC06 have no clue if Sawyer made it or not; then Sawyer makes it to the beach and sees the smoke and instantly his heart sank, believing Kate to be dead. What an interesting paradigm, each side believing the other is gone.

I have had this same feeling when Charlie sacrificed himself but we never truly saw him dead, when Claire disappeared, when the one-eyed guy kept coming back from the dead (!), and it seems like its happened before too...

Makes me wonder if Jin is really dead?

i agree that Libby will come back in the story next season. so many unanswered questions with her- who is her dead husband and how is he connected to the Losties or possibly Widmore? why was she in the mental institution? was it just coincidence that she gave Desmond her husbands boat and then he crashes it on the island? perhaps she was in cahoots with widmore to get desmond on the island and away from Penny.

Can someone please comment- Why would Claire tell Kate that she better not take him (Aaron) back to the island? She was so upset about it. Is it because he's her constant? It also seemed that she must have already known that Ben would try to rally everyone up to go back. It was as if she was warning Kate about it before Jack or Ben would present the idea to her. Someone please comment.

Thanks for the info about Jeremy Bentham, Kruxoli. Here's what stands out to me:

Richard obviously wanted Locke to select the Book of Laws but he went for the knife instead and was therefore judged not suitable for the "special school."

Locke has always been something of a radical , telling people (starting with the high school teacher) "Don't tell me what I can't do!"

Locke also seems to be a proponent of utilitarianism, which in a nutshell says to do what creates the greatest good for the greatest number of people. He genuinely believes that staying on the island is better for everyone (most of all himself) and uses that to justify all of his actions.

I thought Locke was in the casket in the finale of season 3. Later I thought it might be Ben but now we know that it was actually Locke. Are the Others some kind of undead? Why did the island "let" him die when it wouldn't let Michael die? Is Locke finished with the work the island wanted him to do?

I'm not sure if Jin is dead - seat42f.com suggested that he may have jumped off the freighter and been rescued by Farraday. But I do really believe that Micheal is dead. Christian said that he "can speak for Jacob" and it seemed like Jacob was telling Micheal that he's finally repaid his debt and can die.

i liked jin a lot better before he started speaking english too, now he seems kind of fake and cheesey and i couldn't really take him seriously. i think if he had died before he learned any english i would have been more sad.

But Vickie, Jack was right, Locke did not move the island, Ben did.

Where are/what happened to Farraday and everyone else in the Zodiac's last trip to the freightor?

Sara--in the "enhanced" episode before the new one, they [clumsily] dubbed in a question about "the other three" survivors who didn't make it off "Membata". It was during the press conference scene. I think you can see a clip of it online.

The scenes with Jin's death (?) and Penny and Des were beautiful...yes, I cried. When the guys were like "Ms. Widmore!" I started breaking down. Who would think us LOST fanatics were such hopeless romantics?

Charlotte being Annie--maybe. She was definitely born on the Island, right? I don't think she's Charlie and Claire's daughter for the simple reason that I don't think they ever actually had sex. Oh, and Claire's dead. Maybe. She could be Widmore's daughter...or his adopted daughter. She, after all, was recruited by Abaddon, not Widmore, to be on the freighter. What does that mean, exactly?

Great theories, everybody!

charlotte doesn't look ANYTHING like claire or charlie, the red hair and freckles just don't match...

Aaron's existance bothers me.

First of all, I have a 5 month old and she is the same size as Aaron. Aaron holds his head up alone for christs sake! A 8 weeks old is a lump. lol

And did anyone else wonder how they FEED Aaron? I mean I assume Claire breast fed him...but she dissapeerd at least 24 hours before they were found. Did Hurley pull a twinky out of a fat roll to share? The damn kid never cried. I know if my daughter isnt fed after 3 hours she is non stop crying.

just two thoughts...

I'm wondering if the people on the freighter actually died. Ben seemed so un-moved when Lock said "you just killed everyone on that boat"...as if he knew that they really didn't die. I realize that he killed Keamy in cold blood with no problem, but that was to avenge his daughter's death. (Personally I woulda done the same thing.) I just don't think that's the last we'll see of Jin, etc.

Also...on another dead note...I was thinking about the fact that Ben said Jack had to bring Lock back to the island in the coffin. Interesting since Jack had to bring Christian on the plane the first time. I'm wondering if there's something to that. Jack + "dead" guy in coffin = Lost island.

Makes you go "hmmmmmmm..."

Yeah where were Rose and Bernard? It only appeared to be Juliet left on the island but I don't remember them getting on the raft? Last we saw of Rose was she was keeping her eye on Miles.

Aaron's existance bothers me.

First of all, I have a 5 month old and she is the same size as Aaron. Aaron holds his head up alone for christs sake! A 8 weeks old is a lump. lol

And did anyone else wonder how they FEED Aaron? I mean I assume Claire breast fed him...but she dissapeerd at least 24 hours before they were found. Did Hurley pull a twinky out of a fat roll to share? The damn kid never cried. I know if my daughter isnt fed after 3 hours she is non stop crying.

Thanks, MyNugget! I"ll watch it online today

1. To all cast members of "Lost" please please if you are gonna drink do not drive.... RIP Jin ( he is the last one right??)
2. I want a Desmond of my own
3. Sawyer and Juliet - oh God no
4. I don't know who has the better lines Sawyer or Hurley

Best Sawyer nickname of the season in the finale....

Lapidus = Lawnmower Man = Kenny Rogers

Priceless

Good episode. Two things bugged me though.

When Keamy died, wouldn't there have been a time delay of some sort before the freighter blew up? Also, why couldnt Locke just put that damn thing on his own arm? It didn't look rigged to me.

You could see Rose and Bernard in the background as the Zodiac left for the last time. Bernard had his arm around Vincent.

Katrina--I think Claire appeared to Kate after Bentham did. That's just the way the timeline seems to work in my mind. You could be right, though.

Faraday can't be dead. He's too important; he knows everything--EVERYTHING--about everything. I think he made it to the Island in the Zodiac (not with Jin aboard, however). Not all of the LOSTies made it to the freighter/were on the Zodiac, though; only about ten or so "red shirts". Some others are still in New Otherton (I think, unless they're all dead) and Rose and Bernard, at least, are still on the beach somewhere with Miles, Juliet, Sawyer and Charlotte.

Glee--good point about moving the Island.

Crista--we've been over this in other posts. They have to use older babies for television; infants won't behave themselves. Nobody watches this show to see the minutiae of child rearing. It's been speculated that Aaron is just so "special" that he can live without food or water. It is weird that he hasn't cried much, which leads to the 'special' argument. But honestly, scientific realism on LOST? You're asking a bit much.

anyone remember that Farday and a boat load of random losties were in a boat going to the freighter when the island was moved? thats more survivors, if they in fact survived and were found. they couldnt have been too far from where the helicopter crashed. i am so confused, they just left that wide open!!

I thought the same thing about the heart monitor - why didn't Locke put in on himself before Keamy died?

Also - who from 815 is left on the island:

Locke, Juliet, Sawyer, Bernard, Rose...anybody else?

Daniel-you did not comment on Dr.Shepard stating to Michael that his time was done on the island right before the explosion on the freighter-him showing up during people's "death" is interesting

Daniel-you did not comment on Dr.Shepard showing up out of the blue and stating to Michael that his time was done on the island right before the explosion on the freighter-him showing up during people's "death" is interesting

What's with the suppostion that Clair is dead? Is there any evidence of this?

Also, regarding Aaron, what's easier to handle during the taping of a television show in a remote location? a 5 week old baby or a 5 month old baby? Happens in every movie/tv show ever in the history of movies and tv shows.

I'm sitting here thinking about the Others before flight 815 crashed on the island. They were having book club, Ben recruited Juliet to help with the baby problem, and they were just living in some perpetual 'perfect' world, right?

Is that why Ben purged all the Dharma people? I don't understand why he purged them.

Jacob told him to?

I got the impression that when he purged them, he was suddenly the ruler of the Others. Remember Richard asked him if he wanted to get his father's body? He was deferring to Ben like Ben was the leader.

But why- why did they massacre those people?

Wondering if it has any relevance to why Keamy and Co were sent to 'purge' the island and take Ben Linus.

Oops, Juliet isn't from Flight 815...doh!

y is everyone having a hard time w/Locke using an alias? I think that since Locke has become the leader of the Others, he become privileged enough 2 b 1 of the people who can leave the island. Jeremy Bentham is prolly 1 of the many passports Ben had in his Batcave. Ben was Dean Moriarty wen he landed in Tunisia, nobody had a tough time grasping that. how Locke died is a mystery 2 me, but I certainly think that once his coffin goes back 2 the island it will b empty and Locke will b back in action.

Michael sees Christian and Christian says "you can go now." Michael can now die b/c he completed his task - well, it was completed 4 him (elimination of the Freighter Commandos). Plus, the boat couldn't blow up until all the "innocents" were off (remember Ben's convo w/Michael right after Michael tried 2 detonate Mr. Friendly's bomb?). Jin & Michael can hardly b considered "innocents" as both have blood on their hands.

I definitely think Whidmore moved the island b4.

Ben knew how 2 move the island b/c @ 1 point or another he was given directions. Ben tells Locke that Jacob told Locke 2 move the island but not how 2 do it, implying that Ben was given those directions @ 1 time or another.

right b4 Ben moves the island he tears the sleeve of his Dharka (DHARMA Parka). this is around late December 2004, right? when he falls in2 Tunisia from the sky he has the same tear and it's 2005, so the island definitely moved in TIME and SPACE...

When Ben tells Jack they "all hav 2 go back," I don't think he was including Walt. Walt had BEEN off the island, & had nothing 2 do w/the O6. plus, his grandma seemed 2 b mighty protective of him, don't think he'd b able 2 disappear easily.

I've said this 4 the last month...Ben is a THUG. Sayid was having a tough time w/Keamy, but Ben put him in his place - shanked Keamy in the neck! I LOVED it. I also loved Ben's explanation. one thing is certain, Ben's a spring baton master.

Does the fact that Christian, not Jacob, gave Locke the directions 2 move the island bug any1 else but me? Ben is under the impression that Jacob told Locke 2 move the island (& Locke does nothing 2 dispel this idea). could Christian have duped Ben in2 moving the island? just a thought, wondering what other people thought, and would love some feedback.

jc1685--In the few minutes it would have taken for the heart monitor to be removed/strapped to Locke, boom freighter. Knowing what we do about the nitrogen, it would have worked in the long run, but Locke didn't know that.

I can't think of other main characters, but I'm pretty sure there's still some 'red shirts' left on the Island. Claire, if she's alive; Christian, if he's alive...anyone else?

Someone else ordered the purge - Ben and the others carried out the order. We can only assume it was the leader at the time. Jacob? Widmore? Someone else? A mystery for sure.

Nate...I was yelling the same thing at the TV...why couldn't Lock have just ripped the monitor thing off of Keamy and put it on him?? He certainly had time as Keamy was choking out his last words.

Crista...yeah...I'm with you. My kids were always screaming to be fed. But I guess Aaron is a "special" baby...sorta like a little Jesus. Whatever the case is, he's making my kids look bad. ;)

Katie, when Keamy went to New Otherton he shot a lot of Losties and he also blew up Claires house. Claire supposedly survives, but when Sawyer brings her to Lockes house, Miles comments when someone tells her she is lucky to be alive. He says something like "I wouldn't be too sure of that". Miles also questions her a lot on the walk back to the beach. I just think that his interest in Claire, plus the fact that the normally overprotective Claire left her baby in the jungle so she could stay with her fathers ghost proves she is dead.

Also, Libby died and started appearing to people in dreams. Claire is now appearing in dreams...... just a thought.

I vote for Claire being dead, too, just like we know Christian is dead. Somehow, the mysterious properties of the island allow their bodies to appear, like it's using their identities and the emotional ties the people on the island have with them. Also notice that whenever one of the "dead" people appear, you hear whispers?

Teresalynn, i guess i interpreted Miles' comments different "i wouldn't necessarily consider yourself lucky to be alive, considering the shit that is about to go down".

I don't think we can be sure she's dead, but you're right, there is certainly evidence pointing in that direction.

Kruxoli--I agree, I think Widmore's moved the Island before. I also think Sun was referring to him when she said "we're not the only ones who left". Maybe she'll bring him back with them. How would Ben react to that?

Also, Christian did say he "spoke for" Jacob...hopefully it wasn't all a trick. I really think Christian is on the side of the Island/Jacob. He might just be a manifestation, could be (whose theory is this, I don't want to steal it, but I'm not sure) Jacob's son, Jacob/smokey could be using his body to communicate. OR...he could be tricking Locke. But if that were the case, that would've been a good time for Real Jacob to show up.

Hey, loveSteamyKeamy--where are ya? I miss discussing our favourite bad boy with you. Just don't mourn in seclusion forever!

Would the heart monitor Keamy was wearing have had to been connected to his chest? The part on his arm would just a transmitter to the bomb on the freighter, right?

This has been bugging me: Why did Keamy blow up the freighter?

I thought Farraday said he was going to "torch the island." He was frantic to get people off the island for that reason. If Keamy didn't know that the Losties were being shuttled to the freighter - and that started AFTER he and his commandos flew off in the helicopter - then what is the point of blowing it up? Just to keep everyone stranded?

Only up to 9:20 comments but I gotta stand up for Jack here. He told Kate he saved her because when she ran off to get Jin he made her get on the heli essentially sacrificing Jin's life. That is how he saved her and that is why he feels so guilty, cuz he let Jin die to save Kate (again!).

jc1685--I got the impression from the blinking green light that the thing on his arm was a heart monitor, but you could be right. (Anybody on here with Sayid-level intelligence of explosives care to comment?)

Sawyer: "what are they talking about?"
Hurley: "i don't know...leader stuff?"

Katie, I think the question of Claire being alive or dead has a lot of people devided. That's why I posed the question to Daniel for the LDQA. I thought it might generate a lot of different opinions.

Didn't Claires eyes look weird in the dream visit to Kate? Does anyone know what was said on the phone to kate right before she goes into Aaron's bedroom and finds Claire. I couldn't hear it.....

Jennifer--I don't think Keamy ever meant to blow up the freighter. He thought Ben would be so worried about the people on the boat (Sayid/Desmond/freighter tots) that he wouldn't kill him in the first place. Keamy's plan wouldn't have been to ultimately die, right? (Or...would it?)

Yet another Jen--good point. But Sawyer, er, saved her first.

You people are forgetting, if Jack hadn't lied under oath Kate would be in Jail!! Jack DID rescue Kate!!

Also notice that Claire didn't speak in her Australian accent?

WHAT? She didn't? Wild!

Agreed Teresalynn, i think that the only people we can say are dead with certainty are Boone, Charlie and Libby, the writers did that intentionally. Those story lines are officially closed, i think anything goes from here on out.

I hope they will outsmart us all with plot twists and turns.

What are thoughts about Sayid taking Hurley to a "safe place"? Is he working with Ben to get everyone back to the island or against Ben and trying to hide Hurley before Ben gets to him?

Wasn't anyone else a litte pissed at Jin for staying down below with the C4? I was thinking what the hell, get OUT of there. I'm sorry, but I realize he was trying to save the freighter, but he had a wife and unborn child that he should of been thinkning about. I don't get why he stayed so long.

Beej - I thought the same thing. If Jack and Sawyer are having a pissing contest over who saved Kate, Sawyer wins, Hands Down!!!!!

I think it's more of Jack ego thing than Sawyer... I just fell in love with Sawyer all over again last night. (dusty again)

but you'd think that if ben didn't give himself up to save his daughter, would he REALLY do it to save people on the boat that he didn't even care much about? so again, why would keamy think that tactic would work on ben?

Don't forget Artz, Shannon, Eko, the diamond thieves (can't remember their names - but they were buried alive by Hurley), and lots more...

NO! Don't be pissed at Jin, he had no idea that the chopper was landing, by staying down there he was trying to save the lives of his wife and unborn baby. Jin rocks.

IMHO - Here's a thought - the people that die and aren't buried in the ground seem to show up again as some kind of spirit. Think about it - Christian, Charlie, maybe Claire...Hurley mentions Eko but we didn't see him, just an empty chair.

i was surprised that desmond left the bomb so quickly, allowing jin to stay down there with michael. kinda seemed cowardly, which i hate to say because i love desmond!!! he was just so quick to leave.

Teresalynn - Ben didn't think they would kill Alex. Remember he said "he changed the rules" or something to that effect. I think he thought Alex was off limits

I don't know why anyone is surprised that Ben said "So," to the death of everyone on the freighter, this is the same man that killed off all of the Dharma folks, including his father, without batting an eyelash

cammies, i think he left so that he could warn everyone else to get off of the boat. Plus it wasn't so surprising, he didn't go back to the island with Sayid to get the other losties.

EJc1685 - except that Libby was buried...

I know I shouldn't be mad at Jin, I was just yelling at the TV for him to move it and he just stayed way too long for me. He could of put life jackets on him and Sun and jumped off the frieghter.... Okay, no more smack talk about Jin.

did anyone else notice that the Orchid video was on a VHS tape and all of the other dharma videos were on reels of film, and it was much clearer

i just think it was obvious that the bomb room was the most dangerous place to be, with NO chance to escape, and desmond knew jin had a pregnant wife ON BOARD, who jin should have gone up to.

I just really wanted to know what happened to Faraday and the others he was bringing to the boat when Ben moved the island? They were still in the water, heading towards the boat, did they not see it blow up? They definitely saw that bright white flash, so where did they go?

And when Ben moves the island, is he also teleported thru time into the future and that is when he lands in the desert with that cut on his arm and that same jacket? So is the island now in the future as well?

They really need to explain the real purpose of the Others as well, I'm tired of them springing up outta nowhere.

Hurley and dead Mr Eko. O_O, holy moly. Can he see all dead ppl from the island?

Gah, so many more questions!!!

My thoughts:

1- Charlotte is Annie... the age difference may have to be explained with time travel... but Im REALLY thinking that Charlotte is Annie.

2 - Jin is not dead.

3 - Micheal is chum. When Christian Shephard comes out of the ether to tell you "you can go now"... there is NO DOUBT you've yelled "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLT" for the last time.

4 - Desmond and Penny..."Since the invention of the kiss there have been five kisses that were rated the most passionate, the most pure. This one left them all behind. The End.”

I really think everyone is fair game to still be alive, based on the fact that only three were mentioned in the news conf. If Charlie shows up alive, the whole world would say "but you told us he was dead", if Jin shows up alive "ah, he must have survived another way". I'm just saying, I think the writers are leaving many many options open.

Good thing there are two more seasons to get all the answers :)

I still want to watch the episode again before I comment on it but I just had to say that I am very happy that a lot of you are moving over to my "I Hate Jack" side of things! I have hated him since the pilot episode when he wanted to be the grand savior but complained that he wasn't a leader the entire time. GRRRR. And if he was half the man that Sawyer has become he would have bailed out of that chopper too.

Also - Evil Ben is way better than beat up handcuffed - really sorta whiney Ben.

I love it when he's evil.....

"so."

OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH

To Cammies - Don't think of Desmond as cowardly. I thought they all agreed that the cannister was out and said something along the lines of, "Get all these people off this boat ..."

So Desmond ran up the stairs screaming for people to get off the boat ... I don't think he was just trying to get away to save himself. I think he was trying to save Sun and the other passengers ...

someone said that charlotte couldnt be the daughter of claire and charlie because of the red hair and freckles and she looks nothing like them. i dont think she is the daughter, but just in case, i have red hair and some freckles and my dad has black hair and my mom has blonde hair and i look nothing like either of them...sooo...theres a chance.

also someone asked how was christian tied to the island, and that is where i again bring back the family story in the bible about jacob being aarons great grandfather, making christian the son of jacob which is why he can speak for him.

i have so much more, but i need a couple days to piece it all together.

ps i cried when jin died. cried when penny and des got back together and then i cried when i saw it was locke. i love him. the whole man of faith thing. then claire was like super biatch. i think bad things are happening on the island because aaron is NOT where he is supposed to be. just a partial opinion.

So much that I could say to contribute, but my one somewhat theory regarding Christian...his body was on the plane when it crashed. If the island has mysterious healing powers it could have resurrected him...for what reason I don't know, but its just a guess...

ps sex and the city movie is great! haha i went and saw that after LOST @ midnite...LOVED IT! omg the wedding dresses.hahah sorry guys, but i think some of the ladies will love it!

Could it be that Charlotte is Annie & Ben's daughter? She's looking for her birthplace, but that doesn't mean she was born on island. Maybe Ben got Annie off the island to save her (like Jin) and he kidnapped Alex as a stand-in of sorts for the child he lost?

Just a theory.....

Sarah B - I'm going to the movie tomorrow with a bunch of girlfriends.... :)

Someone above talked about the helicopter crash and how fake it seemed. It may have been Daniel... but it reminded me right away of the actual plane crash. How unreal is it that all those people survived a plane crash with hardly a bump or scratch. Exactly like the chopper crash. One of those mystery island things. It also made me think of Hurleys words to Jack in Santa Rosa "we are already dead Jack".

thanks "yet another jen" looks like Jack rescued Kate twice

Jennifer, I agree with you 110%. I believe that Jin IS going to die, but this wasn't his time. It would be pretty impossible of Michael to live, considering he was standing right next to the explosives. Jin on the other hand was really close to the water, and there's a chance he could have survived.
I still believe Christian is an Angel of Death, of some sort...he came for Claire and then for Michael.

Does anybody think that it's stil possible that something else happens that leads Jack to say to Kate, "I'm the one who saved you."?
Further comments/questions posed after a rewatch tonight.
*curses Jacob for company policy on software, for not being able to watch at work."

Karen--Good theory! That may be my new favourite to explain Charlotte's birth.

EG--So, so true. Great quote about Penny and Desmond. (Incidentally, that's one of my favourite movies/books.) Thanks for that!

What happened to Daniel's boat that was at sea between the freighter and island?

Does anyone have the link to view the alternate endings they talked about on Good Morning America? I missed it and can't find it on their website...

Thanks!!
Vanessa

Jack is an idiot. Sawyer saved Kate, not Jack. Sawyer is a hero.

Kate's cleavage got a lot of camera last night, didn't it?

Hope this works, if not just go the GMA's website and type in lost in the search box.

http://abcnews.go.com/video/playerIndex?id=4963236

So was the island done with Jin? Maybe it won't let him die and he will end up with all the others back on the island somehow.

Nate--The Island's purpose for Jin could have been simply to impregnate Sun, thereby having Ji Yeon become another "magical Island baby" if Sun takes her back. That said, I hope he survived!

kat, tootsie, lsot lover, are you here?

Jin stayed because he was trying to map out the connecting wires for Michael.

Whoever said Christian was previously on the island too - that is intriging. It would explain why he became an alcoholic later after leaving and why he can "speak" for Jacob now.

However Ben still seems to have some type of leadership role to the island because he is coordinating missions after he leaves it.

What does and doesn't Faraday know? If he knew about the secondary protocol then he must NOT have known about the bomb on the freighter because he thought it was a good idea to leave the island.

Also Desmond tried to keep the helicopter from landing so no he was not a coward he was trying to wave off the helicopter that could save him!

Someone mentioned this already, but I just want to bring it up again that I didn't hear a hint of Claire's accent when she visited Kate in her dream. I don't know why, but I find that really strange.

Anon at 10:46...Farraday didn't know about the bomb because that wasn't part of the original plan. Keamy, Gault, Farraday, Charlotte, etc. probably all knew about the secondary protocol and the Orchid, but only Keamy and his thugs knew about the bomb. The bomb may have been Widmore's idea, and as I've said, Farraday was recruited by Abaddon, not Widmore.

Gina, remember the "cluckity cluck cluck day" dream of Hurley's with Jin? He was speaking perfectly accent free English, reality shifts in dreams on this show, I wouldn't read too much into the lack of an accent.

One thing that is bothering me is that fact that clair seems to want the baby far away from her even though she was admonished to raise it herself??

This show makes my head hurt.

I don't think Michael is dead since the Island won't let him die.

Sorry I still love Jack. He reminds me of all my ex boyfriends... gorgeous, brilliant, and tortured by never knowing if they were good enough when indeed they were far more than they thought. Makes for great love but bad long term relationships

Gina, Katie--Maybe it wasn't really Claire. Would that make sense?

Maybe when you come back as a ghost you gain a few pounds and lose your national accent!

I freaked when Jin died and Sun almost jumped out of the helicopter...

Also, the two people Sun blames?? We know one is her father but the second...? I thought last week it was Widmore, but from Jack's comment about Sun last night, it's JACK!! Meaning, will Sun get with Widmore to revenge on Jack? But that would be so cold-hearted as Jack worked so hard for everyone before... If she does, it must totally be that she feels betrayed by Jack...

So happy to hear others tiring of Jack... add Kate to the mix, sheesh! I was so angry when they saved themselves over Jin... Sun is right to blame him- but needs to include Kate as well.
I want to know more about how Desmond will continue to stay hidden... remember Jack said, "Don't let them find you."
That will be difficult considering the family connections.
Why did Kate keep repeating "Im sorry, I'm sorry" to Aaron... for what she did? or for what she was going to have to do?...
That smile Sawyer gave as he climbed out of the surf- whoa.
Ben really shined last night- funny and much more complex than just the bad guy characterizations.... I loved it when he showed up and observed rather dryly that Locke couldnt find the flowers could he?...!!! Jack was certainly the odd man out when he was combined with Locke/Ben @ the Orchid. I liked that as well.
Damn fine writing on this show. I kept repeating at breaks "I cant wait about what they'll be saying on TheLostDiary.com about THIS!!! hahahahaha

Oregon--When Christian Shepherd, who speaks for Jacob, told him "You can go now" I think he meant "You can die now." He had fulfilled his mission/gained redemption. He had helped save the Oceanic Six, Lapidus and Desmond, plus all the people on the Island. I think he's dead, but he'll be back in some form.

@Bree:

Sun may have been upset with Jack, but I think the second person she blames is Widmore. I think she's planning a double cross against him.

another thought...

maybe when the "island" moves it doesnt necessarily move to another part of the ocean. Can it move to somewhere inland or at the polar ice cap or something? I was noticing on abc.com where i go to re-watch season 1, they background is a split picture with the island on top and a city-scape on the bottom. just wondering if its significant. discuss.

I think Sun is referring to Ben as the other person who killed Jin - after all it WAS him who said "so" so nochalantly after keamy said the freighter would blow up killing everyone on it which is exactly what happened. This is why she won't join Ben and the losties and went to Whidmore instead.

All Jack said is that Sun wouldn't talk to him any more. Hey was Sun at Hurley's BDay party? Jack and Kate were...

Sun rocks! I think I actually let out a little sob.

Penny and Dez together finally! My whole family was on the edge of the couch....please let it be Penny's boat, please let it be Penny's boat.

Am I being too simple, or did Locke show up with a fake name simply so that people wouldn't find out there was another survivor?

Yes Bentham was Locke's alias. Also one of Bentham's theories is that the end justifies the means which is exactly what Locke thinks too - that if it is for the island it is ok - such as throwing a knife in naomi's back.

I'm thinking that Sun went to Widmore in order to use Penny and Desmond's relationship as leverage to get back to the island. She probably blames Jack and her father vs. Jack and Widmore. I don't know, I just have a feeling Sun isn't seeking revenge on Widmore, just using him to get back to Jin somehow.

I think we've all kinda been thinking (at least I have) that when the island 'moves' that the island is somehow imparting the Vile Vortice Theory and making some major moves, not just a few degrees. I think this was explained by Charlotte uncovering the Dharma polar bear in the middle of the Saharan Desert.

I can't remember the link to the Vortice Theory, but if you haven't read it, you should.

Goodfeke--I think the city was supposed to be Los Angeles, and it was foreshadowing the return of the Oceanic Six.

Could Sun blame Keamy? After all, he's the one who blew up the boat. Would she be able to know that it was him? Would Desmond or Lapidus know? Jack seemed to think that Sun blamed him. From the way she talked to Widmore, though, it seems she blamed him too. I think she's too level-headed to blame Jack forever...that's not to say he wouldn't blame HIMSELF, however. That could, however, be the reason that when Hurley came to see Ji Yeon, they thought it was "good" that no one else was coming. But I think she'll forgive Jack/Kate, and understand why they did it. Widmore, Paik, Keamy...not so much.

Chriswall--I was looking forward to the recap and the comments almost as much as the actual show.

Ah yes the captains wheel. I told my friend that if the wheel has been spun an entire 360 degrees they'd be right back where they started!

Also have been thinking about Charlotte's quest to find where she was born. Each one of them is on the trip, supposedly working for Whidmore, but each with their own personal agenda.... Charlotte's lifes work hasn't been about archeaology as a whole, its about uncovering her OWN past.

If babies can't be conceived on the island, then wouldn't that make Charlotte *special* too?

LIT--I love the Vortice theory. Since I read it, I've been connecting it to things on the show...especially after "we have to move the Island"!

I've been meaning to ask (I don't think it was mentioned on here). In the scene were Abaddon was talking to Hurley, there's a chalkboard behind him. Some people were saying that what was drawn on the chalkboard was relevant, but from what I saw it was just a shark and some other things...I'll try to find the screen shot.

The explosives were only Keamy's insurance policy he never intended to blow up the freighter his only way back home - how would he get Ben to whidmore? Even knowing they would die (AND that Jack, Kate and others were heading back there) he killed Keamy. It was deliberate so I think this is why I think it is Ben who Sun blames.

So was the island done with Jin? Maybe it won't let him die and he will end up with all the others back on the island somehow.

Babies can be conceived, they just can't be carried to term.

Oops, I forgot one more thing before I hit 'post'.

I thought it was curious that Miles picked up on all of this from Charlotte. I thought he was clairvoyant, meaning that he can communicate with the DEAD. Is she dead? That makes me think of Hurley's comment that they're all dead.

AND- while he was alive, Christian Shepherd was a drunk. We see the addictive genes showing through in his son Jack too, but Jack's is in direct response to what happened on the island. What was the reason behind Christian's alcoholism? Not being able to get back to the island too?!? He had to die to get brought back (the coffin theme now repeating itself with Locke)...

If Christian is Jacob's son, he would be like a "prodigal son", coming back home to his father. Possible biblical reference.

Lauren commented on this in one of the earlier blogs, and I don't think anyone answered her. She asked why there wouldn't be a time delay between Keamy's death and the explosion of the freighter, considering the delays with the helicopter/Farraday's rocket/the doctor.

Keamy's monitor was linked to a radio connection; the reciever was wired to blow up the freighter. They use the sat phone/radio to call the freighter without a delay. So, I'm not sure why, but it seems like radio signals aren't affected by the time difference. As Keamy's life insurance C4 was activated by radio signal, it wouldn't have been affected either. I could be wrong, of course...sigh.

Jeremy Bentham - I looked him up on the internet and he was a British philosopher during the 1800s - very interesting info!

http://www.blupete.com/Literature/Biographies/Philosophy/Bentham.htm

Does anyone know what the person on the other end of the line said to Kate before she went into Aarons room??

I couldn't make out a word... but there were words.....

One thread is bugging me:

Locke went and got himself killed somehow; seems strange considering one the island, the island wouldn't 'let him die' (remember getting shot in the kidney by Ben and Ben later realizing that 'of course he wouldn't die, the island wouldn't let him' or something to that effect)... but lets suppose for a sec that Christian Shepherd 'dismisses him' like he did Michael last night. Then who is the leader?

Who was the leader before Ben?

Ben sure knows a lot about the island, and now even though he's said to Locke that whoever moves the island can't go back, he even has ideas to get back to the island. He's pretty quick on his feet. So is Locke, so again I ask, how does Locke then die?

I don't think Locke's really dead.

the other interesting thing about John Locke using Bentham as an alias - both his original name and his alias are political philosophers. Here is what I found on Lostpedia, under Locke's name:

Jeremy Bentham (15 February 1748–6 June 1832) - was an English jurist, philosopher, and legal and social reformer. He was a political radical, and a leading theorist in Anglo-American philosophy of law. He is best known for his advocacy of utilitarianism, for the concept of animal rights, and his opposition to the idea of natural rights, with his oft-quoted statement that the idea of such rights is "nonsense upon stilts." He also influenced the development of welfarism. Bentham's position included arguments in favour of individual and economic freedom, the separation of church and state, freedom of expression, equal rights for women, the end of slavery, the abolition of physical punishment (including that of children), the right to divorce, free trade, usury, and the decriminalization of homosexuality. Bentham also designed a famous prison structure called the panopticon, which creates a sense of constant surveillance and paranoia amongst prisoners. Bentham is also noted for having his body artificially preserved in a glass case after his death. His preserved remains are still on public display at University College, London.

EG:
A male voice, speaking in reverse, says, "The island needs you. You have to go back before it's too late".

A little off track, but the biological father of Jin has never been truely revealed. Remember his mom was a prostitute and we don't know who Jin's real father is. Maybe someone we have seen on the show now??? what the....

Sandy, Sun went to visit Jin's dad....but now I'm remembering something like he might not have been his biological dad b/c his mom just left him with his dad?

you are right Sandy, we don't know if he is Jin's biological dad.

Um, maybe I am wrong but didn't one of the producers say that asking "who is dead" is not the way we should all be thinking??? I could swear that I read an interview pertaining to something along those lines...like with Christian and Claire. Instead of ARE they dead...we should be wondering what is going on behind the scenes so to speak. Or maybe I have it wrong. Does anyone else remember this?

sometimes i think there are two family trees going on in the show (good one and a bad one) and all the good people are releated somehow and all the bad people are related somehow on this tree....just a thought

Rachel, I agree, I think we can't take anything at face value on this show. As I said earlier, b/c they said Boone, Charlie and Libby were dead at the press conf, i think those are truly the only three people we can be absolutely sure are dead.

Glee, you could be right about Ben being the second person that Sun feels is responsible to Jin's death. Locke has been visiting the O6 and he could have told Sun about Keamy's death and what Ben said....

Jenn-I'm here! :)
I've been running around all morning today and I gotta go now!
I'm 'refreshing' in between errands so I don't fall too far behind. You guys are posting like maniacs. I didn't expect anything less! :)

OMG!! A+ for me I haven't even wrapped my head around everything I saw last night! Will be re-watching tonight!

Hi everyone!...
glee - Jaters unite! :)
IT was nice to see Sawyer again!
"The kiss" that was supposed to 'stop my world for a moment', didn't. Was a bit flat for me!...I was moved more when Sayid & Nadia saw each other again!......more later!
Happy Day after LOST Season Finale blogging everyone!

Julie--thanks! I could tell it was in reverse, but I had no way of flipping it to figure out what it said. Now, anyone know what Sawyer said to Kate before he jumped? I have a theory that he (Josh Holloway) doesn't know what he was supposed to say, so he just said random stuff.

1) defintely an A. episode
2) sun's acting re. jin's death- amazing
3) fantastic reunion of desmond and penny
4) good to have sawyer back
5) wasn't putting the metal stuff in the "time machine" to generate a massive electro-magnetic (or wahtever) charge to facilitate "moving" the island. like what brought the plane down. when des did not press the button - did the island move??
6) totally agree whidmore was island's ben and moved it and had to leave.
7) like karen's theory that charlotte is ben and annie's kid. ( could be whidmore's and annie's kid!!!)
8) sun wants to work with whidmore to find the island -she needs to check if jin is alive and still on the island.
9) give jack a break folks- it's hard being the leader
10) hurley get amazing lines-jack and locke "leader talk"

How could Sun possibly know that Ben killed Keamy, thereby causing the ship to blow up? From what I remember, the de-bombing crew had no clue what would set it off, let alone who could get a chance to kill Keamy.

LIT 0 I think that Miles can talk to the dead, but he also can read minds. Remember when Michael first came on the freighter, he told him he knew his name wasn't Kevin Johnson.

Rachel J - I read the same thing. It makes you wonder who is dead and who is in a nether world..

sorry if this has been covered already ...

i can't wait until we find out what happened on penny's boat between the time she rescued the O6 and the time they got into their mock rescue boat. penny seems to have filled the O6 in on quite a bit about her father, the island, and ben.

I THINK I AM ON TO SOMETHING!

there could be a big triagle WHIDMORE-ANNIE-BEN
- that could be sweet
- charlotte as annie's daughter ( as karen suggested) BUT who is her father- whidmore or ben....

Jules--Locke knew, though, and as Jeremy Bentham, he's been visiting the Oceanic Six. He could have revealed to Sun who was really responsible for Jin's death.

Jules - if Locke is traveling off the island to visit the O6, he was present at Keamy's death and could have told Sun and the rest of the O6 what happened. Do we know what year it is when Sun has the conversation with Widmore? She is already at the helm of her fathers company, but not sure exacty when that is.

Teresalynn--Not sure the year, but I think all of the flashbacks in this episode were roughly the same time (three years). We do know that Ji Yeon was already talking, making it at least, what, a year and a half after the return of the Oceanic Six?

Here is another question. When Ben went to visit Widmore he told him he was going to kill Penny. Widmore said he'd never find her. Does that mean that Widmore met up with Penny's boat sometime after they dropped off the O6? Do you think Sayid told Ben about Penny rescuing them?

Jenn -

"The island needs you. You have to go back before it's too late"

AWESOME

I love strung out and drunk bearded Jack. Love him! Everytime he was on I was at the edge of my seat.

I think Kate was saying "I'm sorry" to Aaron because she was convinced at that point that going back would be the answer. I think the ghost of Claire said "don't go back" was kind of reverse psychology on the ghost Claire's part.

I think Jin is alive too.

What bad things could be happening on the island? Yikes.

Well, maybe Claire (dead or un-dead), realizes that Aaron is meant to replace Locke as the next leader. That is why she desperately wants Kate to keep him off the island...?
The presence of Dr Shephard at crucial times is way intriguing... but why selectively? If (for instance) Kelvin was not needed by the island any longer, did he really die way back when? Did he have any ties to Christian Shephard?
And as for the theories being posited about them all being dead; if I die, do I get to have raunchy sex in a cage on an island with Sawyer as well?...'cause that is livin'.

Who is this Annie? When was she mentioned?

Teresalynn--3 years was tossed around, but I'm not 100% sure that Sun is the type to begin blaming Ben if she finds out 3 years after the death of Jin that it's partly Ben's fault. She's already getting on her other revenge against her father and Widmore (and I'm not convinced it's all because of Jin).

Going on a limb here, and I'm not sure if it's been suggested yet, but any guesses that Sun's actually WORKING for Ben? Not in the assasin way that Sayid is, but by being the strong business woman, she could be a spook.

One more thought....Since Penny rescued the O6, there is no way that Sayid is ever going to track down and kill Penny for Ben.

Chriswall, I hear you sista!!!

Don't know if anyone answered this yet or not, but the call Kate received was backwards.....played in reverse it says "The island needs you.....you have to go back before it's too late"

Also, Ben has been preventing all communication and transportation off the island so that would be enough on its own to make Sun blame Ben for Jin's death much less infiltrating their camp, getting Michael to shoot some of them, kidnapping jake kate and others so that jin sun and sayid had to go try and rescue them hell sun was on the boat they attacked too - in sum the others have been making their lives hell!

Let's see,,,,,where have we heard that message before???

Jules, also Sun says that to her father while she is still pregnant so it had to be pretty soon after she was rescued. I'm not sure at all...

Jules--Interesting theory. The way she looked at Widmore made it clear she was out to get him; including not even bothering making up a lie to answer his question "why would you want to help me?". Why indeed...

B Cook--Annie was Ben's childhood sweetheart. I explained a bit more about her in a previous post. She was in a Ben flashback in Season 3 (the same one that references The Purge).

Can anyone tell me what ever happened to the two kids from season 1 that the others kidnapped? They took them and we never heard anything about them after, unless i missed something there.

The best way to punish Whidmore, if that is who Sun is trying to punish, is to keep him from finding the island or killing him or penny. But she said they had "common interests" which to me means either a) find ben b) find the island

Annie was the one who made the wooden dolls for Ben for his birthday. They were children together on the island, part of the DI.

Does anyone think that the two bodies that they found in the earlier seasons that were supposed to be very important to the series are Jack and Kate?

Just wanted to say thanks to Daniel, for his awesome site, and thanks to everyone who posts great comments!

Maybe Charlotte is Christian's daughter by another woman too.

Speaking of, at Christian's wake was it just me or was the head not Jack's mom gave when Jack said "I can't even bury him" make it seem like his mom knew more than we think?

head NOD sorry

Best line of the night...elevator starts moving back up...Locke turns to Ben..."You expecting someone?" LMAO!!!

OK, I have then ending figured out. The final scene is they are all back on the beach just like the first crash scene scattered among the plane wreckage. Vincent peeks out of the jungle and says, "I SEE DEAD PEOPLE". LOST.....THE END.

But really, I think they are all caught up in some freaky time loop and have lived and re-lived everything before. Ben knows it, that is why he always seems to know what is going to happen and how to manipulate every situation. However, there are some variables, such as Alex being killed. Ben sure didn't see that coming ... "HE CHANGED THE RULES". That right there changed everything and started a new time-thread.

Words cannot express how much I love this show.

Why is it that a shirtless Sawyer-type has never come strolling out of the surf when I am at the beach....I must not be living right.

Click--"Zach and Emma" (I think were their names) were assimilated into the Others' camp. The last we heard of them was in Juliet's flashback this season. She was discussing them with Ben at the creepiest dinner party ever. He said they'd be fine, or something along those lines. They were presumed to be at the Temple with the Others most of this season and are probably hanging with Richard Alpert currently, along with the other people stolen by Goodwin from the Tailie section survivors.

Tasha--I always thought they were the original inhabitants of the Island--like Adam and Eve. Could be a time-traveling Jate, though. But I'm a Skater, so...hell no!

A note: Sayid asks the person in front of Santa Rosa what time it is. Before the man is killed, he's able to get out: "8 Fif--". Is it safe to assume his time of death was 8:15?

Did anyone notice that the Dharma video mentioned the bunny disappearing but not really being gone?? I think the island just appeared to have moved.

Yeah Julyer or Sawliet don't sound so good.

ok....did i sleep through gma this morning? i taped and watched the whole thing...twice...even went to work late (anything for Lost) and didn't see anything. am i on the island now too? can someone tell me what happened? what were the alternate endings? i am the only lost addict in the family and LOVE this site. thank god i have this Lost family.

Angela, good point. So it appears that the island is gone but its not really? But its physically not able to be seen...

One thing I didn't understand was an earlier Dharma intiation video of the Orchid showed Halliwax holding bunny #15 and then another #15 fell as if from the sky and he yelled, "WHERE DID THAT COME FROM!?!? WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T LET THEM SEE EACH OTHER" or something along those lines... yesterdays' video was 6 of 6, maybe the one I was referring to was an earlier epi. Nevertheless, how did Ben learn that if he put metal into the machine that it would blow a hole out the other side and allow him to the back and 'move the island'? Since the egg-shaped portal seemed pretty intact up until then, does that mean that the island has never moved before?

The sound that the island moved as it was 'moved' sounded just like the sound that was emitted and electrogmagnetism (des didn't push the button) that brought down flight 815.

Angela--I'm pretty sure that was the point where it got cut off--Dr. Halliwax (or whatever) was, I think, about to talk about how it looked like it disappeared but had been shifted into the future, therefore, it would be back in a few seconds/minutes. Unfortunately, Locke was not able to watch the whole video due to a timely malfunction.

Amie - the alternate endings were Sawyer and Desmond in the coffin.

someone said something about the theory about people being "dead" and i think i posted it before, but the writers have said that we the audience need to look at the word dead in a way different from what we know. they said (at comicon i think) that christian is physically, legally, etc dead, but not completely. if i can find that link again ill post it for everyone.

i still really think that christian is the son of jacob and we are never going to "see" jacob and christian will always speak for his father.

the other orchid video was on the 'extra bonus disc' for the last season and got posted on youtube so some people have never seen it.

Glee--fair point. On the other hand, Ben always has a plan and successfully infiltrated the Losties (either him or his people) in the past. Sun has always struck me as very very shrewd, even from day 1, so I wouldn't be surprised, if my theory is even the slightest bit correct, that she could play along with what Whidmore wants to hear.

I don't think that the people on the raft are going to be of much consequence. The producers found out that by introducing other survivors as main characters, the audience didn't react well (read: Nicki and Paulo).

I know Farraday is on the raft, but I don't think they'll make it a big deal because the others weren't important. My guess is that the raft was still within that weird "wall" where the time warp occurs (the reef, maybe?) and got pulled down with the island.

Anon at 12:26--The video online for the Orchid seems to be the first couple 'takes' of the real Orchid video. The second Rabbit 15 that falls from the sky is the time-travelling one that cannot be allowed to see himself in the past. (Maybe.) If you want to see it again, just look up "Lost Orchid video" on YouTube.

Good point about the sounds of the electromagnetism.

LINDAnKC

I was laughing outloud on your post about Vincent...haha

Mark my words, Farraday is of signifigance in future story line

Enjoying reading everyone's impressions of the finale, but there is one thing bugging me since I read it above in the comments:

Angela - what the heck are you doing watching LOST with your eight year old?

There is no way that this show is appropriate for someone that age. Geez.

Jack keeps insisting to the helicopter pilot that the other ilsand is nearby... that they had another island. True- but can Ben make them both disappear by turning the magic wheel?

amie- go to time 10.40am to get the link for the alternative lost endings on good morning america- it's just two other possible people in the coffin - nothing fantastic

tchh tchh tch, concerned mom.
Please keep those judgements to yourself.
This is about lost theories not parenting theories.

I think Faraday is a goner either way, since his constant is off the island now. I like his character, so I'm hoping he got sucked away with the island and reappears for a while.

I really want to know what these "bad things" are. I wonder if Christian really wanted Jack to get off the island. Or Aaron. I mean I guess so. It's so confusing and I kinda have all these theories that contradict each other and I'm just so like, literally, LOST.

I just want to give people in the blog here and Daniel props. I'm only 23 but I can't remember any show that I was this involved it. It's nice to get together with people and just bounce theories and ideas around off of each other and work together on some of them. LOST truly is groundbreaking in making the viewers think rather than just providing us with a nightly hour long drama (not that I find anything wrong with Grey's) but it makes me think and I really like that.

Sorry, I just kinda felt the need to share that.

Well I hope there is more then one Angela on here "concerned mom" because I definitely dont have an 8 year old.

I saw the 2 alternate endings on GMA this morning. They taped the extra two in case there was a leak for the finale. One showed Saywer as the person in the casket and the other was Desmond.

Whatever you might think about whether or not another poster should or shouldn't be watching with their 8 year old kid should probably be kept to yourself.

Its doubtful that your post will do anything more than piss her off and we all know what that starts on this blog!

Lets keep it light and IMpersonal, why don't we?

Ok I have a question that may have been answered already but what year was it that Ben reappeared to after moving the island?

Chriswall--It is possible the two islands are connected underwater via an archipelago-ish deal? I suck at geography, so I may be making zero sense. Just a thought.

Also, "concerned mom"--she might have just called her kid in to see the Desmond/Penny reunion. OR, the kid might be doing homework in the next room and wander in and see her mum dancing around and want to dance around too. OR, she could have deemed it appropriate based on her child's maturity level. My little sister used to hang around the room when my older sis and I would watch "inappropriate" shows...the computer's in the same room, and she'd be online or whatnot, COMPLETELY ignoring the telly. But if we started celebrating something, she'd hear the commotion and want to join in. Plenty of parents let their kids watch shows until something sexual/overly violent comes on, then force them to leave the room...mine did. All I'm saying is...don't make assumptions!

he came back and it was 2005...you mean when he was in tunisia?

has anyone gotten fired from their job because they read the lost diary all day...just wondering...

Sue Z - Re: "Am I being too simple, or did Locke show up with a fake name simply so that people wouldn't find out there was another survivor?" I agree with you. I believe the survivor's don't refer to him as Locke b/c they have been living their lie for three years. I also think the writers wanted to keep us guessing until the end. Just like Kate kept refering to Aaron as "him" - to keep us guessing.

I haven't been fired (yet), but I know that Fridays will be much more productive in the off-Lost season! :)

haha i think if i could get on the internet at work i would definitely be fired. im so glad i have off on fridays now. hahaha. not that it matters though over the summer...

are we going to set up the recaps from the beginningo of the season and talk about them each friday? we kinda talked about that before, kat...you remember that? I think Cam thought of it too.

Did I miss something about Jin's father? What are the theories out there. The only Asian man that we've seen has been the man from the Dharma Videos.

Did anyone understand what the caller was saying to Kate that freaked her out?

Yes, Ben reappeared in Tunisia in 2005 in the desert, wearing his Dharma winter jacket and with the wound on his upper arm. Does that mean the island is now right there and the Losties are roaming the desert?

AND... if that were true,

does that mean that when met Charlotte for the first time and she was was reading in the Tunis Times or whatever in French that the wreckage had been found and she uncovered a Dharma Polar Bear, that the island had been moved before? If so, it goes from place to place and each place is basically the same place! Hence the Vortice Theory...

Just like the beams with the gates in the Dark Tower. I think there were 6 beams and 12 gates...

LIT--I don't think so. I believe the Vortice theory, but since Ben said he could "never go back" to the Island, he ended up in a place other than where the Island ended up. Both could be Vortices, though.

I read the Lost Diary all day EVERY day on Fridays at work. People actually just kind of leave me alone or converse with me about it, hah.

This is somewhat of a jump in theory... but about the island moving- and the other island I mentioned that Jack was going on about last night.
...did anybody read "The Mists of Avalon"?... remember that the island dissappeared into the mists once Excalibur was sent away (once they lost the beliefs...)etc. etc.,

Maybe there is something like that going on here and the island didnt really move per say. It just ceased to exist as we could percieve (its a stretch, but what isnt a stretch in this story....)!

Yeah in Tunisia, ok so he reappered to the present day. That episode was right after the constant episode so I didnt know if he overlapped time like Desmond did.

I skipped over a LOT of comments before writing this, but does anyone else wonder what Aaron has been eating since Claire disappeared? The kid is "eight weeks" old for pete's sake!

I also like the Charlotte = Annie theory. I think that Annie moved the island as a kid - and Ben was with her (and that's how he knows how to do it.) A stretch? Yes. But it's the best I've got.

Did anyone see on www.octagonrecruiting.com on the list of jobs it says: Minibus Driver.
Hahahahha, that made me laugh.

TO hear what is said on the other end of Kate's phone go to E! online - Watch w/ Kristin.

Here's a thought: In the Orchid video with Rabbit 15--it sounds like they are experimenting with anti-matter. When matter and anti-matter meet, they annihilate each other. Not to get too physics geek on you, but there are theories about "time travel" that could possibly be achieved through wormholes in space-time. To create a stable wormhole, you need both matter and anti-matter (opposite forces working equally against each other to keep the passage open). Perhaps the "magic wheel" Ben pushed was creating the anti-matter needed to push the island into another dimension or point in time. It may be less about "where" the island is than "when" the island is.

Wormholes & Time Travel

What is it: Moving on from the above theory, and looking at the part which says "the quantum mechanics of the Casimir Effect could be used to stabilize a wormhole to allow faster than light travel."

From Wikipedia-

"Wormholes allow superluminal (faster-than-light) travel by ensuring that the speed of light is not exceeded locally at any time... If two points are connected by a wormhole, the time taken to traverse it would be less than the time it would take a light beam to make the journey if it took a path through the space outside the wormhole... As an analogy, running around to the opposite side of a mountain at maximum speed may take longer than walking through a tunnel crossing it. You can walk slowly while reaching your destination more quickly because the length of your path is shorter."

"A wormhole could allow time travel... relativistic time dilation would result in the accelerated wormhole mouth aging less than the stationary one as seen by an external observer, similar to what is seen in the twin paradox*. However, time connects differently through the wormhole than outside it, so that synchronized clocks at each mouth will remain synchronized to someone traveling through the wormhole itself, no matter how the mouths move around. This means that anything which entered the accelerated wormhole mouth would exit the stationary one at a point in time prior to its entry. For example, if clocks at both mouths both showed the date as 2000 before one mouth was accelerated, and after being taken on a trip at relativistic velocities the accelerated mouth was brought back to the same region as the stationary mouth with the accelerated mouth's clock reading 2005 while the stationary mouth's clock read 2010, then a traveler who entered the accelerated mouth at this moment would exit the stationary mouth when its clock also read 2005, in the same region but now five years in the past."

* "In physics, the twin paradox refers to a thought experiment in Special Relativity, in which a person who makes a journey into space in a high-speed rocket will return home to find he or she has aged less than an identical twin who stayed on Earth."

Summed up in relation to Lost: the Casimir Effect has stabilized a wormhole, allowing people to travel to a point faster than you would normally be able to travel to it. A change in time or the ageing process is somehow involved whilst traveling through the wormhole.

For: A quote from Carlton Cuse in a recent interview:

Cuse: There are some growth issues when you go on or off the island. But I can't say more about that.
[source]

It could maybe be an explanation for Desmond's time travel experience in episode 405, and also his previous flashes into the future.

In episode 403 the experiment Daniel did showed that time on the island and off the island differed.

It could explain the bearings given by Ben to Michael, and Daniel to Frank for getting off the island.

Against: It's quite a complex thing to understand, would the producers look to such a complicated explanation for the show?

has it ever been explained how all the castaways happened to be on flight 815?

also what about having a LOST SPINOFF after the show goes off the air...coming up with a whole new set of ideas - maybe in the 'real world' with some of the characters still alive? anyt houghts? i doubt it would happen but if any of you g uys want - lets starta campaign. theres so little quality scripted tv on these days...it could use fewer special effects and thus be cheaper to produce

"Malone" - I like where youre going with this one!... it kind of gels with the Mists of Avalon theme... The Season 2 Hatch and it's powers tie into the Orchid station to create this... hmmm.

did you guys notice the last commercial right before the last part of the season finale, it was for octagon recruiting. my friends and i thought it was weird because they were recruiting people but not going to pay them. my friend was like,"i think this has to do w/ lost!" i didnt but it, but sure enough, i got home and put in the website. it totally was about the dharma initiative! http://octagonrecruiting.com

Anonymous at 12:26 PM,

I haven't seen that Dharma/Orchid video, but it sounds to me that the two 15s weren't supposed to see each other because they were the same bunny.

Like, whenever time travel could essentially really screw things up if you went back in time and then met yourself. I'm assuming that the bunnies would implode or something =]

First chance I got today to react, havent read the comments yet will go back and do so. Great ender, I didnt think it was going to answer as many questions as it did. Daniel, I agree claire did look heavy.. would it hurt to mix in a salad. I am totally on Jacks team but sawyer was pretty bad ass. Seems like Jack is overreacting to Kate in the FF. I loved the desmond penny moment. I know its TV cliche with the love interst, but this one works. Are we to assume the Jack is the second person Sun blames for Jins death... jack seems to think so. I was thinking jeremy was ben all along.. then to see lockes face was awesome. Cant wait to find out how. B+ is a weak grade. it was at least an A

In reply to "Maybe"
As to whether the producers would look to such a complicated theory for the show... (I'm going to identify myself as a geek right here...) Star Trek The Next Generation did a very good job of tying in the philospical and scientific story lines by doing just this kind of thing. I would not be suprised if the producers are old trekkers. it could work.
... much better than just making it up as they go along (which I was beginning to fear last season...)

To all the people who are making cracks about Claire being "heavy": I could barely even see her body in the shots they use. Her face has always been round. Even if the actress/character is gaining weight, she is by no means "heavy," as she was stick-thin to start with. Think about your comments. How are you helping the American weight problems (both obesity and anorexia) by saying insensitive crap like that? Emilie de Ravin is beautiful and THIN.

Locke looked like he had boobs when he was in that blue shirt walking with Hurley and Ben if it makes you feel better...

Now only at 10:14 (do have to do some work!) but I wanted to ask- Do I remember correctly on Bentham's obit last season didn't it say he was survuved by a son and that is why lots of us thought it was Michael? Or am I totally off my rocker? If I am remembering correctly though- who is this son of his? Uhmmm.

Sandy--Er, not really. Thanks for trying, though.

Regarding Aaron's food source, they haven't addressed this on the show, but Sun would be able to nurse him as she is now pregnant. A pregnant woman's body does start preparing for breast feeding. If she let Aaron work on it, she would be able to kick start her milk flow and would be able to nurse successfully. It's a shame they haven't had her do that because so many people have addressed this problem.

To dwell on the superficial...in the interest of fairness, even Sawyer is a little heavier. So what though.
The only one who has lost weight is the actor who plays Christian Shephard.

I know I'm in a minority here (after reading how the Penny/Desmond thing has affected everybody... but I don't think they're going to last for too long before something (the island, her daddy, Desmond's "issues" etc...) come between them.
Hec, nobody lasts happy very long on this show.
Sorry all you Pensmond fans

Chriswall--I agree that it's hard to keep a happy couple together, but I think the writers have said that Penny and Desmond are their epic love story, and at least SOME of the characters have to have a happy ending. Yes, they'll have problems, but after searching for each other for so long, they're not going to be so quick to let anything stop them from being together. As Des said: "I will never leave you again."

Now at 10:54 (yes I realize no one cares, simply my way of saying sorry if someone already said this, I haven't read it yet) but I swear I heard what Sawyer said to Kate. We had it on surround sound, really loud. I must also say I had already had 2 cocktails so honestly I could have made it all up. I swear he said "I have a daughter, find her and tell her I am a hero." But even if I am wrong I am surprised we haven't been discussing it more in the thread or someone hasn't done some magic on it so we could hear it.

Lets hope so, but I'm dubious ;-)

Yet another Jen--sounds like something he would say to her. You could be right. No one else has mentioned that. I hope you're right!

...speaking of Sawyer, (yet again...) Remember when Hurley met up with him and Jack and he asked how the baby was?... I remember Sawyer giving this "look" with no comment.
What was that about?

Chriswall--I liked your Mists of Avalon reference--it's a good dovetail into the physics of the island.

Yet another Jen--I didn't hear what Sawyer said, but he does have a daughter and that was my thought on what he might have been whispering. He probably wants Kate to look out for her. (which would mean he wants his daughter to find herself with a gun pointed at her head on a regular basis, but I digress...)

Hi Daniel,
I'm going to miss reading your reviews until next season. Lauren is right to freak if Sawyer and Juliet become a couple...that would seriously SUCK! I wonder if anyone has sat down and done the math on how many new questions are created after each episode. It seems like for every answer they give us, they give us at least 5 more questions!
Please don't ever stop doing these reviews. I really look forward to reading them!
:)

Chriswall--I think Hurley asked how "Claire and the baby" were. So Sawyer's look was to say that something had gone wrong, meaning they had lost Claire. I think he later explains the whole situation to Hurley.

So, as pointed out, Jeremy Bentham was an English phiolosopher/politician, (influenced by another English philosopher, John Locke, BTW - who inturn influenced a Genevan philosipher named Rousseau. When will it end?!?!).

Apparently, he had several writings published about economics. Could one assume he was a bit of an economist? Could Locke, aka Bentham, have been "The Economist" that Syaid was hunting earlier this season?

When Hurley asked Syaid how Bentham died, Syaid said - "Well, they said it was suicide." He didn't sound convienced. Is that because he finally caught up with and killed him?

BigAl--It seemed obvious to me that Sayid had killed Bentham/Locke and didn't want to admit it to Hurley. At the very least, Sayid knew it wasn't suicide...that Locke had been murdered. Interesting theory about the Economist. I still, however, think the Economist is Widmore, possibly Paik.

hey, daniel: is it possible to break our comments into threads to avoid all the repetition?

thanks for a great friday blog everyone!! it was awesome reading all day. it is 5 in chicago so time to go home...........to watch the finale again......bye

I got that too when watching Sayid tell Hurley he was dead. I doubt that he killed him, but he definitely knew more than he was letting on to Hurley.
b.t.w... Hit-man-attire becomes Sayid. very nice.

big al and beej: is the idea that ben had sayid kill locke so the O6 would be forced to take him back to the island?

Kristy Kreem--I'm not sure why. I think Ben wants to get back to the Island and reclaim control of the Others. That could be part of his motive or all of it. Sayid could have killed Locke on his own, who knows? (I have no idea why. Maybe so he'll stop bothering them. Sayid doesn't seem like the type who likes to be bothered.) I just got the definite impression that Sayid was either responsible for or knew the full story about Bentham/Locke's death.

Chriswall--No. Kidding.

Remember how when the o-6 were climbing out of the raft to the "rescue island"?... I remember now thinking how touching it was that Sayid was supporting Sun. She had her head leaning against his neck (obviously mourning) BUT... did they purposely set up the shot because of this super-spy theory we now are tossing around about Sun being a bad-ass agent like Sayid? Maybe she is working for Ben in the same vein that Sayid has been... thsy both suffered the loss of their S.O. and seem to have this air of (As Beej puts it- "couldn't be bothered") Maybe Sayid and Sun are working toward or at least for the same end... (?)
Which would mean that she is approaching Widmore because...?

I think if you come to the island dead then you come back to life because the island is a new beginning. If you blow that chance then you're dead for good. Christian and Locke died off the island.

You fail to mention one of the most important facts about the episode. Someone mentions the flash-forward (where Locke is dead) takes place is 3 years in the future. Meaning where will we start next season? Right where we end this season? Where the flash-forward ends?

So many questions, but it must be said that the flash-forward is three years in advance. Re-watch the episode. I am almost positive.

I watched the Claire bit a couple of times with great curiousity..I actually thought they used a different actress, and that was why she looked/sounded different. Did anyone else think it wasn't the real Claire?

I must say, I give the finale an A+++...best episodes ever and I can't wait for next season to start!

sayid is even hotter when he blow dries his hair straight.

This site is SO great (chuckle, chuckle) not only is it full of thought-provoking and mind-twisitng theories about a NETWORK TV show!!!...how unusual is that to begin with!??! BUT all of the beef-cake chatter and sexy comments are posted by WOMEN (at least I think) about the men eye-candy on the show!!! How great is THAT!!!
...and to that end I must say Thank You producers and casting directors for your well thought-out choices of survivors.

I disagree - it was definately the same actress who has always played Claire. Just curious that she didn't sound like Claire.

@chriswall:

I guess nobody saw my comment above about the lovely amount of cleavage we men got from Kate. Mmm....

I scanned thru quickly - didn't see any mention of the Island moving before - WHILE the LOSTIES were on it. Does anyone remember that? They wer on the beach, loud screeching sound and a flash??? I forget what season, but it did happen. Anyone??? Bueller?? Bueller??

That was the electromagnetic discharge of the hatch blowing up - the one Locke and Boone discovered.

...end of season 2

oops, "jc1685" mybad.... yup, you got to throw one in for the boobs!
;-)

And really excellent boobs they are!

hahahaha...enough!

Thanks jc1685 - that sound about right. You grasshoppa quick!

JC1685 - hey that's a thought! If it's true the dead who are not buried come back as spirits, then the Nikki/Paulo episode (the worst ep of all time) actually did serve a purpose. They were buried and, so far, no sign of their ghosts! So their story might have been meant as a clue to this theory. (Although, a whole episode dedicated to them was still too much!)

The observation on Ben's cut arm - this HAS to have been put in there intentionally as an indicator of a time shift ... whoever commented that Ben turning the cog and then landing in Iraq in 2005 proves the island moved in time, I AGREE!

Ha ha, boobs. My boyfriend was pretty much quiet during the whole episode until this scene, at which point he had to point out, "Boobs." Must be clue ... anyone have the screencap? ;)

Jusy a natural male reaction!

Okay if the bodies that arent buried can come back as material images... was John Locke's dad (the real "Sawyer"), an image- or did he just get summoned... I remember him saying something about a jolt- and there he was... thinking the island was hell or some such place... that has never been very clearly explained. Did they bury him afterward or leave him on the Black Rock- and for that matter, (Gruesome thought) can Prof Ernzt come back- assuming he wasnt buried after exploding...

Good point. I vaguely remember him telling Locke or Sawyer that he was driving on I-10 in Tallahassee and was forced into a pylon that held up the interstate - and the next thing he knew, he was in the room where Locke found him. I think he assumed he was dead and in hell. Not a bad assumption on his part, but I believe incorrect.

When Ben said, "Bring me the man from Tallahassee" and think Richard travled through a wormhole, made Anthony Cooper wreck his car, and brought him back through the wormhole. Going through a wormhole and coming back would be almost instantaneous - when you come back through it would be as if you had only been gone a couple of seconds.

I know you'll all call me crazy, but it almost seems like it's a different actress wearing a wig that appears as Claire in the cabin and at Kate's house. She just doesn't look like herself.

Also, remember the water! Think about "The Constant" and how we are all suspicious of the connection between water and going back and forth in time. Could the water cause a perform that same function for the people on the ship when it blew up? Maybe they fell into the water before they died and it transported them to a different time?

And I do think that "See you in another life" is going to turn out to be prophetic.

Flurp--"see you in another life" sort of already has been prophetic--Jack saw Desmond again on the Island after hearing it from him at the stadium at the beginning of Season 2. I hope it's prophetic again, that could only mean more Des and Penny!

Chriswall, jc1685--Interesting about Sawyer's dad. I think it was really him, traveling through the "magic box" (wormhole/Orchid...I know Ben said it wasn't the Box, but how many times has Ben lied before?). I don't know if they buried him, I'm pretty sure Locke brought him back to the Others' camp right before Ben took Locke to see Jacob. Whether the Others buried him or not, I can't tell ya!

So he HAD to die then... that is one of the reasons that Ben was forcing Locke to kill the Real Sawyer... because he'd died "on the other side" as you say- hitting a pylon... Once James chcoked him, did he then travel back in a sense and die on the other side? hmmm.....

@Beej:

That's right - Locke carried his father's body from the Black Rock to the Other's makeshift camp.

okay and so how did Richard get James' (Sawyer's) file?.. I know Im going WAY back to previous episode, but this entire "are-they-dead-arent-they-dead-thing has me wondering...and if a wormhole has anything to do with it...

The Others got files on everybody from Flight 815 - that was one of Patchy's jobs.

Flurp...I said the exact same thing just above you re the actress playing Claire...I really think it was a stand in...it would also explain the lack of Aussie accent which they seemed to try to cover up a bit. It may be she had already gone back to Australia so they just had a stand in perform the short bit? I really don't think it was her.

Re Jin, I sure hope he is alive...that is the biggest unresolved issue that concerns me at the moment...why do I care?...lol.

I love Miles...we know so little about him, but he is such a compelling actor and has somehow made the character quite intriguing...I sure hope they keep him.

I think Sun wants Whidmore's help to find the island as she thinks Jin may still be on it alive...of course, I think she is shrewd and using him.

I love this show...best since Twin Peaks for sure!

KKKKKKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm back, didja miss me? I was so sad when Keamy looked like he was dead, partially because that was too easy of a death for his bad-boy character, and partially because he had his shirt on. And then the elevator went up, Ben asked for his weapon back, and I immediately said "It's Keamy!", to which my friends told me that I needed to accept his death. I loved the fact it was him. And when he ripped his jacket off? HOT! But I cried when he really died, awesome death though, "Wherever you go, Widmore will find you."
And I cried when Jin exploded and Sun was screaming. I think she blames Jack, because when Jack was talking to Ben, he went, "And Sun blames me for...". Poor Jack, it wasn't his fault, he had to do what was best for everyone, there was a pregnant woman and a baby on board that helicopter, he was trying to save as many as possible.
And I cried when Desmond and Penny found each other, I scooted up to the tv like a kid watching Saturday morning cartoons at that bit, crying.
But Locke, ah Locke. I've been angry at him ever since he killed my Boone. He redeemed himself last night, trying desperately to save my beloved Keamy, even if it was just to save the people on the freighter. But I had talked to a friend and I thought he was in the coffin, and my friend didn't. Needless to say I rubbed it in his face. Cuz I could and all.
And now only one question really remains for me: WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO KEAMY IN UGANDA?????? The writers can't bring it up, kill him off, and then never let us know. I hope they do a season on the freighties. Or at least an episode on Keamy. I loved him and his bad ass self. I miss you Keamy
Sorry I was gone for so long. Oh, and Beej, thanks for what you said about Claire and the weight thing. I've never been that small, and it helps when people stand up for normal sized people.
I miss Keamy.

Ok - just got thru all the posts - prolific and amazing group of Lost addicts we have here ....

Did anyone else have a sinking feeling when the "O-6 plus 2" in the raft in the dark see the light of a boat coming toward them? Other than the fact that I now knew that they were going to be saved (thank you FFs), it felt EXACTLY like the (I think) last ep of Season 1 where the Others' boat comes out of the dark toward the raft and kidnaps Walt. I was afraid we were going to take another u-turn with the plot.

Also, in the grand scheme of things, ever wonder why Christian was in Australia in the very first place (like 20 years ago) to have an affair with Claire's mom and get her pregnant with Claire? Like - why Australia? Seems like a long way to go to mess around on your wife - couldn't he find anyone in LA? Just seems so coincidental (I know like almost every other relationship on Lost).

I agree with others above - the scene with Sun in the heli yelling for Jin on the freighter - gave me chills. She is a great actress. Deserves an Emmy.

Re the date that Ben shows up in Tunisia: does anyone remember the date that the hotel clerk told Ben that it was? I know it was 2005, but a month and day? If my calcs are correct, the island was moved and the O-6 got off on the same day - 108 days after 9/22/04 - which would make it approx. 1/7/05. Does that seem right? So what date was Ben in the hotel - sometime after 1/7/05 when he moved the island?

To sarah-badera - well I'm way past 23 (61 if you must know) and this is by far the best show ever ever ever. I have talked so many people into starting to watch (by renting previous season DVDs). Maybe I'm just hopeless, but I would give every episode an A+. I have pretty much given up on network (and cable for that matter) TV in the last few years - I watch very little except PBS. Except for Lost - my little harmless addiction.

Oh, hey, Sarah Badara, how was Sex and the City? Trying to see that in a few weeks, once everything I have now dies down.

...uh, okay.
Say, did anybody check the credits to verify (and put to rest), the Claire or-not-Claire issue?

I should add, I also agree Sun's response to Jin being left behind was so heartbreaking and believable. She does deserve an emmy.

Hey, they cut off my Keamy call. I basically just said KEAMY! I forgot, with all my mourning, to point out who the hell cares if Sawyer had his shirt on when he swam back to the island, it was just wonderful that he lost it in the end. But I'm in mourning, I can't be to celebratory.

One more thing - I think Michael is now really dead, as he was trying to be, per Christian's comment - "ok to go now". But, in the land of Lost revivals of dead people, I think Jin may live on somehow. Maybe he jumped off the freighter just before the explosion and found something to hang onto and is in the same place as the last group including Daniel Faraday on the Zodiac. I hope this mainly because I think both Jin and Faraday are too great characters to not have in the plot going forward.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0994352/fullcredits#cast

LoveSteamyKeamy--I was glad he got a proper ending, but I agree--we need to know more about him! Durand (the actor) made it clear there's a lot more to him than we know. Maybe he's Annie's son? (And what then, I ask myself, Charlotte's brother?) And I'm always happy to stick up for you, even if I don't know I'm doing so! Here's to normal people! (Well, normal-sized. Definitely not...normal.)

Emilie de Ravin was credited in the episode. I am pretty sure it was really her, and you guys are reading way too much into her lack of accent. I'm going to have to watch it again to make sure, but I saw nothing off about Claire in this episode, other than her appearing in a freaky dream in Los Angeles when the last we saw she was hanging out with dead people on Mystery Island.

Lost in Bend--it reminded me of Season 1 too! Creepy. I thought it was just a fishing boat, like the one off Sunda. I was so happy when I heard them speaking Portuguese and saying "Ms. Widmore".

Haha....
KEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMYYYYYYY!!!

The island was moved and the O6+2 were rescued on Dec. 30, 2004, 100 days after the crash.

Ben arrived in Tunisia on Oct. 24, 2005. That's roughly 13 months after 815 crashed on the island.

Times don't match up for some reason...oh wait, this is LOST!

jc1685--Haha...good point. Thanks for the info. Would that mean they really did arrive on Sunda 108 days after they crashed on the Island?

Beej...I've watched it a few times and don't think it's Emilie...plus, I can see no explanation for the lack of Aussie accent unless they had to use an American actor to play the role. She hasn't been on for a few weeks now, and in a recent interview said she was going back to Australia, then may be travelling for a bit and was looking for work, but things were quiet at the moment. I got the feeling she was off the show by the way she was talking. But, I may be wrong...in her recent interview she has a short haircut (it was the end of April) and speaks with an aussie accent.

Yup. Hey, there's that number again!

Didn't Ben see Sayid on TV in the hotel Tunisia? That's when he saw that Nadia had been killed. So that would mean he turned the wheel, moved the island, landed the desert 10 months later and Sayid had gotten married and lost Nadia... make sense?

Anon at 4:50--Yep! Sounds right to me.

Naomi--IMDB credits her (Emilie de Ravin) as playing Claire. I thought it looked just like her. Who knows with LOST, right, but I'm sure it was her. I'm going to ask Daniel for the Q&A, see what he thinks.

@Anonymouse:

That seems to be pretty much the series of events. Man, he LOST ten months of his life in moving the island. Weird...

jc1685--He'll get it back! He's Benjamin Linus!

oh, I just found another video of the dearly departed Keamy.
This one is on YouTube, titled Lost Martin Keamy-Pure Evil. Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUUOLcqB2e4&feature=related.
Not as good as the addicted to Keamy one, but still good.

Remembering back to Sun and Hurley going to Jin's tombstone. Only Hurly showed up. Why? What has Sun done that makes the rest of them stay away? Contacting Widmore? Working with Ben, or everyone just knowing how she is blaming them for Jin's death?

My money says Locke (Jeremy Bentham) is "The Economist". I don't know why he adopted THAT particular name and alias but I think he adopted an alias on visits back to the "real world" to find the O6. I don't know if he was looking to kill the O6 or convince them to come back but I am pretty sure the goal was the protection of the island. I think Sayid killed him in "The Economist". If you Wiki Jeremy Bentham the historical figure, you can find that he was a philosopher and writer that was most productive in matters of law and economics. This ties in nicely with the "Book of Law" that manliner dude showed to Locke when he was a child. It also ties in nicely to Sayid's comment to Hurley last night about Bentham's death "they think it was an accident". Wink, wink. I am certain that Locke/Bentham is "The Economist" from the recent episode and that Ben had Sayid have him killed...kind of confusing about who's REALLY protecting the island though. That's my real question at this point...what was Ben's motivation? Protecting the island or revenge against Locke for taking his birthright? We shall see.

Rene

there are an overwhelming amount of posts, so sorry if this has been covered.

I don't think the island has moved in a latitude and longitude way. The orientation movie said that they were going to send the bunny forward in time and that it would seem to disappear until it reached that time period, which was a 100 seconds later or something like that.

My theory is that the island was sent forward in time and would not be findable until the rest of the world "caught up." Ex. The island was sent to the year 2008. From the day Ben turned the wheel until 2008, the island would not be visible.

I'm guessing that the island was sent forward in time somewhere close to the time that the flash forwards are happening. I'm also guessing that the people on the island will have no idea that this change took place, other than the whole sky turning purple and the weird hatch exploding sounds.

Also, I say Jin and Danny are still alive and will be back with a vengeance next season.
A+ episode, one of the best a great finale to a fantastic season. Looking forward to the rewatches.

loveSteamy - it was really good. people all over, and perezhilton said something about it too, but there is a scene where its either wicked bad editing or the projectionist messed up because we could see the boom/mics and stuff. other than that it was SO SO SO SO SO SO SO good. i was so inspired i had to go buy a pair of manolo's as soon as i got home! haha.

ironically enough the guy that plays charlotte's husband is dave (hurley's imaginary friend) so i had a mini freakout. like OMG how can i relate this to LOST.

on that note, does anyone else do that when they are watching something besides LOST? like i saw locke in the movie tombstone and was like WTF but his character is old school is fabulous. hahaha.

oh and chriswall - i think you said something about being a geek and watcing star trek:tng. i did too. learned that from my dad and i still watch it. i know what you are saying about the philosophical/scientific/etc tied together.

someone asked what was christian doing in australia in the first place and i have ALWAYS wondered that too. my aunt is a dr and she had to go to aruba once for a conference but that aint no australia. and i still cant think of an answer to wtf christian was doing. and he totally freaked me out last night. "you can go now michael" freaky dude, freaky. still love him though.

Ok...now I think it was her on the show...I just read another interview where she's talking about how Claire is in the finale, so I'm assuming she played the role.

Did anyone else panic from the time Sawyer jumped til the time we saw him on the beach? I was so worried he was off the show, which would have been so depressing! I named a cat after the character 2 weeks ago! I think it may become a popular name...that guy is so super hot...did he make people magazine's sexiest men alive list?

Sorry, gotta fix my just posted post. I misspoke. Sayid said that "they thought Bentham's death was a suicide". I misspoke "accident". Either way, it wasn't. That was clear in Sayid's tone...I am still convinced he killed Bentham/Locke as "The Economist".

Rene

Naomi--I'd be surprised if he didn't.

Sarah Badara--I know what you mean. I connect LOST to everything. I don't call people by their names, I call them by their "LOST" names. For instance: Jack Shepherd just co-starred in "Speed Racer". Charles Widmore was in the sixth "Torchwood" episode this season. And everytime I hear something related to LOST...I freak out. For instance...just a few minutes ago...my computer told me that my away message had been on for "23 minutes". I was like "TWENTY-THREE! It's a LOST number!!" Ah, I'm a dork, but I love it.

I'm totally on board with the Charlotte = Annie theory (with time travel or strange Island time properties accounting for the age difference), but it made me think of something: Previously, I always thought Rousseau would turn out to be Annie. Could the fact that Rousseau dies shortly after Charlotte comes into the picture be evidence that the writers really are sorta making it up as they go along? Sort of an on-the-fly change in the plan for Annie when the powers that be like one actress over another?

Ben IS Aaron

I can't believe they went with freezing the battery on the bomb because that's not technically plausible considering the way the bomb was rigged. Freezing the battery would have the same effect as disconnecting it, which they said would cause detonation, so that whole thing was bullcrap. In reality, bomb squads sometimes freeze other components, like timers, causing them to stop counting down. Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of electronics would understand this. Too bad no one spoke up to the writers.

What are these bad things that are happening? I don't think iti s because they all left, I think it is because Aaron ISN'T on the island. Maybe they saw what happened to Locke because he "messed up" his destiny that time Richard went to visit him as a young child, and when he didn't go to the camp in high school they were like maybe this isn't the dude. I definitely think Richard, Ben, Locke, and Aaron have something to do with protecting the island, but I can't understand Jacob and Claire's reasoning for keeping him away from the island. And didn't the psychic say Claire had to raise him or else there would be great danger?

I am the poster formerly known as T, I came on today to find someone else going by T now so I switched names.That being said.....WOW, where do I start? I thought the finale was GREAT! I actually thought this entire season was great, my favorite by far. I get disappointed when other people don't enjoy episodes, come on people, this season was phenomenal! I have to make a confession, I was getting a little impatient waiting for the finale so I went online last week and read some spoilers. I just couldn't help myself, I also flip to the back of books and read the end....I know, I'm awful, I have no self control! Anyways, I read the spoilers and didn't think that's what would really happen, but they were actually right on! About Sawyer jumping, Ben moving the island by turning the big frozen wheel, Locke being in the coffin, everything. I was pretty surprised, I was expecting them to be totally off. Apparently there is some leak among the Lost staff! So, about Walt....how did this kid turn like 16 since the last time he saw him 2 years ago? I knew he was going to be way older looking, but damn! I was not expecting that, I almost spit out my soda when he started talking in his low voice. He went from a little boy to a man-boy in like 2 years, crazy! As much as I don't like Keamy, I was pretty disappointed when he bit the dust. I was hoping for more info on him, like what were his real motives for being there? I hope we see more of his story next season. What is up with Charlotte, could she really be Annie? Have her and Miles and Daniel all been on the island before? That could explain how Ben knows so much about them. Then again, Ben knows everything about everyone. Was the guy watching Hurley outside the mental hospital one of Whidmore's guys? I totally got the chills when Hurley said "Checkmate Mr. Eko"! He can totally "see dead people," all Sixth Sense-ish. WTF is wrong with Jack, I am pissed at him. Sawyer saved them, not Jack. Actually Kate and Sayid made a deal with Richard and the others to use the chopper to leave so she really saved herself. But Sawyer jumping off the chopper saved them all. (I bawled like a baby when he jumped!) I used to love Jack, but he is awfully full of himself lately! I bawled again when the freighter blew and Sun freaked out, that was SO SAD! I think Jin could still be alive though, but since the island moved, I don't know where he would swim to. I think Michael is a goner. He was right next to the C4, he had to have been blown to bits. When Christian appeared to him, I got the chills again. Whoever said above that Christian might be the angel of death could be right. When he said "You can go now," I think he meant you can finally die, now that you actually did something good with your pathetic life. Sorry, I hate Michael! Ok, this post is super long so I'm going to be done for now, but I will be back a little later with more!

Well, "The Grapes of Wrath" has nuttin' in THIS "dusty" episode! Hahahah..yup I am old(er). Few comments etc:

*Lock: Stick your thumb under Keamy's "If-I-don't-have-a-heart-beat-freightor-tots-be-gone" band....your thumb has a pulse!!
*Ben said the Island was moved before, but it is unpredictable...or something to that effect. Moving the Island is a last resort measure.
*Walt: He wanted to know why nobody came to see him other them "incognito-Locke" (Walt visiting Hurly), ..how would they (OC 6) know Walt was alive and/or where to find him?
*Keamy = Christopher Walken in just about, oh ...ANY movie CW was in!!!
*Daniel...it was definitely a "Leave it to Sayid" moment LAST night! I also liked the smooth hair Sayid as well!!
*The Purge: It was a very Machevellian(SP?) thing...Us or them..no coexisting.
*Jin being left behind by Jack, ...Sun's torment...unbelieveable acting...I love her..
*Sawyer coming out of the water ....mmmmmmm
*Desmond and Penny....me and my son's girlfriend sat on the ends of our seat ...screaming "Penny..Desmond...Penny ...Desmond...I love you.." Ok...it was REALLY just me reliving the end scene from "The Constant"..any way..loved it.

Glad to see you, The Poster Formerly Known as T. (That's going to get so confusing!) I hate Michael too...I'm really glad he got a chance at redemption, though; everyone deserves a second chance. (Oh...and I'm eternally grateful to him for giving us Mr Friendly and Arturo.)

if i remember correctly, sayid didn't kill the economist, he killed the assistant after she shot him first. then, ben had to stitch sayid up and remind him to act with his head and not his heart. so, maybe it's implied that sayid later killed the economist, but he didn't succeed in that particular episode.

also, they can't show the correct way to assemble and detonate bombs on tv. it's always fake. scripts are submitted to a research company that makes sure audience members cannot learn how to assemble a bomb or whatever from what's being shown on the show, then the bomb scenes are shot after approval.

I'm excited to see in the future what is gonna happen when Ben goes to kill Penny and finds Desmond is with her, that will be an epic showdown

I am still reading through all the posts!!...I will be watching again tonight!

But 1 thing you guys, that was Claire in Kate's dream. For sure, 100%.

&
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAMY!!

Kat--I agree wholeheartedly...

Kristy--Good info. Thanks!

Thinking about the obit for Bentham/Locke. He is hiding out and sneaking around it seems so who would even put an obit in the paper? I think Ben, thinking it would bring the O/6 together. Lucky for him Jack showed up.

Since Michael was trying multiple times (unsuccessfully), to off himself, it was not only creepy but very cool the way Christion appeared and said You can go now" as if he was granting him a favor...
But as to Locke/Economist/Jeremy- did'nt Mr. Ecko tell him "You're next"?... did that mean he was forseen to die OR to be the leader...?

Tasha - Don't be mad at Jack! :)

gotta go...another LOST night in our house!!

Hope to catch up with you all tomorrow.

WE HAVE TO GO BACK!

couple of things that no one else has mentioned.

so when ben when behind the wall of the orchid....WHY ON EARTH was it all frozen and cold? what is the significance of that? it had to be relevant for the writers to put in the show right? for a second I thought he was going to break through the ice and find the two dudes working for penny sitting up in the arctic waiting for a signal. anyone have any ideas on this? also people had been in there before (eg the stairs, etc) and the hole from the transporter was just made. so does that mean no one has moved the island/been back there since the DI built the station? or is there another entrance to the wheel room? and if so why not take that route? did that make any sense? HALP!

secondly, i personally have a mad crush on Daniel faraday. He's the biggest nerd in the world, but he also cleans up nicely in real life...the man has the facial features to be a model ppl!!

Kathleen - Yes, was strange about wall behind orchid being frozen. Makes one wonder if writers trying to draw a connection to that being frozen and Michael freezing the bomb back on the ship?

No one has commented (I'm about half way through the posts) on the week everyone spent on Penny's boat. These guys spent a week getting to a new location and figuring out their story and everyone in the end seemed completely positive about the path they would take.

(also, Aaron was not at the press conference thus was not photographed for the general public to see.)

Okay, first I guarantee you that Jin is not dead. When the freighter explodes you can clearly see a body (dressed in the same color as Jin) go flying into the water. I think that he hooks up with Daniel who is in the zodiac. There was no mention on what happened to the zodiac. Sun isn't after Jack as he says later, she is after Ben. Michael is dead because Christian says that "he can go now." I think the name Jeremy Bentham is an anagram. I loved the ending!!

Who is Aaron's Dad?

Thomas is Aaron's Dad. Everyone thought it was funny when I phrased it as the Baby Mama Drama situation. He "up and left her when she was pregnant and hangin curtains."

So-I'm going to start posting this and the way the posts are coming in, I will be behind someone, so if I repeat..forgive!! In random order: (I made notes-ha-ha)1st: What is up w/Widmore w/a English-then Auusie accent?? 2nd" Then Sun saying "we are not the only one's who left the island" Implying Ben-of course {she will not be on Widmore's side, but reverse physc-there!} 3rd "Why did Sun tell Michael she was preggers? Did you catch his look??? Did they or did'nt they? 4th" How come Faraday did not get the Magnetic Sickness? he went back and forth how many times? Why bring up his constant "Desmond"-if you're not going to use it?? 5th" Love BEN!!!! (he better get an Emmy) When he said earlier in whatever ep, that he does not kill innocent people, and he just non-chalantley (sp?) knew what he was doing when he killed Keamy {RIP-sorry SteamyKeamy, I called it) resulting in how many deaths?? 6th: Daniel on the island,saying goodbye to Charlette, said "When I get back"-like he knew what the time dif would be!! 6th" And to the above poster" Sorry too far back to ck names, but I replayed the scene four times over, and I swear I hear Sawyer say to Kate. "If you find her, tell her I'm sorry" One other thing that has always bugged me is -why would Richard (who is way more important to the island,take second place??) 1st to Ben and now to Locke?? I know a "2nd in command is as(if not more important then the 1st-I see that @ work all day-LOL) Anyway-I think Daniel you were a litle tough on this finale??? A+ in my book! Any show that can make you run to the bathroom and cry by yourself, ( so no one thinks your a woush), and will make you scream out loud, "It;s Penny"...wooooohoo, there has not been another show like this!! And sarah B.. I am one of the "older ones!"

the first time sayid and desmond flew to the freighter it took minutes freighter time but days island time. what happened to all that time difference? in this episode they were shuttling back and forth like it's nothin

Tootsie (and other posters)...not to be rude, but it is very hard to follow your train of thought when you don't put it in paragraphs or *bullets.*

Its just easier to read when each idea is separated. Again, I don't mean to be critical, and maybe I just have a hard time following some thought processes, but it just helps if things are written in segments. Like English 101? Thanks?

JP, Aaron was at the press conference. Kate was holding him.

Hey "I'm "Queen o/"""""'s. plus I used 1st'd, 2nd's3rds!!! Sorry, for the way it plays out above.. I'll try to remember the **** just for you!!! I'm use to typing real letters not blogs!!! Namaste**** I'm going to bed!!!!!!!!! Have a good "LOST dream""""""

First off, all of the O-6ers must be living with massive guilt. We have no idea if or how anyone knows who lives and who dies. Someone mentioned Sawyer looking at the smoke from the beach and then the survivors on the chopper - everyone knows it is possible that everyone else is dead, but no one knows for sure yet. That could make you go crazy.

I think that Keamy was hooked with explosives to kill anyone or any chance of anyone leaving if he died. It was his plan in case him and his guys died-last resort-if he doesn't get off the island then no one does. It could have been a suicide mission from the get go-why all the explosives anyways? They weren't air dropped.

I also think that Faraday is a scientist on a mission who got caught up with evil in the course of his mission and is really a good guy. But he can't pass up this opportunity of scientific irregularities and curiousity of the unknown and he has tunnel vision...plus he's been obsessing since his visit from Desmond. I think he's too important to be killed off.

I think Sun blames Widmore or Ben, not Jack. Jack was being whiney and bursting with self improtance to think he's to blame for everything. I can't see her putting as much bad energy on Jack as she did her father-that was some pretty powerful female mojo.

hmm sorry mjn, they kept showing Kate's face at the press conference, but not Aaron's. I'll have to look again.

my bad-they definitely showed Aaron at the Press Conference.

as i commented waaaaay above, i think during that week on penny's boat, she filled the O6 in on her father, what she knows about the island, and all widmore's business connections as they relate to the island.

This was a pretty damn strong episode. But I agree that this season lacked...something. The quality of these episodes this year was through the roof (The constant alone blows away all that cages crap at the start of season 3). But I think that this season lacked a little structure. It's nice though that they've stopped caring about trying to get new fans in now. If you're not on board by now then you're not wanted. Go watch the dvds and join us next year.

Daniel is now my second favourite character with Desmond being first.

Christian’s little cameo was scary "You can go now."

OMG! What if Sun = The Economist????

I thought the writing (as in dialog) was incredibly bad this season.

Did anyone notice how young and dark haired Ben looked, at the funeral home?

Does anyone remember what Claire's baby-daddy looked like? He looked like a YOUNG, DARK HAIRED BEN.

I don't know what that means, but it is very creepy.

ALSO, the 2 rabbits that weren't supposed to see each other, were clones? or the same rabbit that time traveled?

Could Claire and Christian not want Aaron to come back to the island BECAUSE THEY HAVE ANOTHER AARON ALREADY THERE? A cloned Aaron, or time traveled Aaron?

Don't forget, Claire is supposed to have an implanted chip. Maybe it makes you get fat. **OMG! someone must have implanted one of them in ME!!!

@ Mayhem Markus:

I think I remember the Economist's secretary (that Sayid fell in love with) referred to the Economist as a man. Not 100% sure but seem to remember that.

Totally disagree about Ben and Thomas (Aaron's father) looking alike - they're obviously two different people.

Maybe Claire is pregnant in real life?

Suzie - I've been thinking about the whole rabbit thing too and "don't let them see each other" bit. Wondering if reason for Widmore with 2 different accents is because there are 2 of him. Claire 2 of her? 2 Charlies? How many possible others could there be? The rabbit didn't seemed to be cloned but the same rabbit from a differnt time zone?? Do the O/6 have to go back to the island so that they don't run into themselves? Don't think I have this exactly right but think there is something like that going on. Eye color changes, Kate with freckles and then without and then back again, etc..

Oh, also the way pictures change and what not. As though there are 2 dimensions or something that can not meet and if they do something terrible will happen.

GREAT show! I hopw that Faraday is stil alive somehow, although it was interesting that there were a lot of anonymous survivors on the boat with him.
I think that Michael is dead. Christian came to him to let him know that the island would let him die now, as he had wanted.
Maybe Locek/Bentham isn't dead, but to get Jack and other 06 to come back, John and Ben devised a plan. Maybe John was bitten by one of those spiders to fake his death (which would give a purpose to that odd episode.)
Charlotte is too young to be Annie BUT maybe she's Annie's daughter. Even more - perhaps Widmore stole her as Ben stole Alex!
LOVED the Mr. Eko chess game.
WHAT all does Miles know?
Ugh Sawyer and Juliette!
We knew Rose and Bernard would not leave the island because the island cured her. She won't leave. I love these two almost as much as Desmond and Penny.
I still think that Libby was engaged by Widmore to get Desmond on the sailboat and in the race to get rid of him.
Can't wait to see what Jin is up to. She's been a very strong woman all along - learning English, running away with Jin, and didn't she b****-slap Juliette? LOVE IT!
Were the polar bears on the island from it being moved or for experiments?
Classic scene with Locke watching the video and realizing what Ben was up to. LMAO

WOW. I loved the finale. When Sun was screaming for Jin I started crying. Not just little tears but the jaw-trembling kind of breakdown! And its a TV show! And right before the big reveal in the casket, my 100 lb dog got up and stood right in front of the TV. I jumped up like I just got electrocuted or something! Haha, I was laughing at myself afterwards for being so ridiculous...
Did anyone see Best Week Ever where they talked about the Lost finale? They showed the part where Ben turned the wheel and the island disappeared. My friend (who doesn't watch) was like, "that's the show your obsessed with??" I see her point.
Anyway, did anyone notice when the Orchid video tape was rewinding that it looked like Locke was in fast motion? I swear it looked really weird, but I'll have to go back and watch.

Oh, and I forgot to mention, I was supposed to go out afterwards but I texted my friend that I was to emotional to do anything. She thought I was kidding!!

Kristy Kreme...

You are right on with what I was thinking about Locke/Bentham being the Economist. I meant that at this point it's implied that Sayid did him in. I realize we didn't see it. I think it was his mission and after he offed the woman working for the Economist...he was able to meet up and finish the task. I think we will see the details sometime next season. The writers (if I am right) will explain the death of Locke/Bentham via Sayid in a future ep.

Thanks,

Rene

about the quality of the dialog and some of the story structure, we have to remember there was a writers strike that lasted several months. during those months, writers were not allowed to write. so, once the strike was over, the gang on lost busted their asses to give us more episodes to round out the season. they were abbreviated episodes, character arcs were glossed over, but i think they did a pretty amazing job considering what it takes to rush a show like this.

I didn't get the impression that Sayid killed Locke. I think he knows how did though....

i think it was stated in a dharma video that the polar bears were there for an experiment.

and, yeah, the assistant referred to the economist as a man, and he clearly knew sayid was after him because the assistant was after (or at least ready for) sayid. the assistant had a very sophisticated vibe, not locke's style at all. and why if, as jeremy bentham, locke was openly visiting the O6 trying to convince them to return to the island, did sayid have to do that whole secret agent deal through the assistant to get to him?

Can't let go of this 2 dimensional time theory I'm going with.

The way the ocean water rippled rather than a downward suction. Island still "there" but in a different dimension? Almost like a curtain was pulled?

Think about the time Sawyer wasn't using his little nicknames (someone else here mentioned that,sorry forgot who) and how Claire very sweet and loving maybe not the same Claire that seems to be so cold?

Sure there are many more examples too.

Yin and yang??

does anybody think the final end will be all the losties going back to the island, to go back in time, to where the plane takes off from Sydney?

And then NO plane crash?

or, splash, all of them crash into the ocean and die?
THAT could be why Claire doesn't want Aaron to come back. Because he would cease to exist.

oh, and right after Claire's house blew up, people noticed that she was wearing a wig. She started looking different as soon as Sawyer pulled her out of the burning house. Did she have her Aussie accent after that?

Suzie - oh, and right after Claire's house blew up, people noticed that she was wearing a wig. She started looking different as soon as Sawyer pulled her out of the burning house. Did she have her Aussie accent after that?

That would be interesting to find out.

she never lost her aussie accent.

was kate apologizing to 3 year old aaron because she knows she's going to have to take him back? or because he got separated from claire? or because aaron, even in his sleep, was exposed to claire's horrible wig?

why does kate's agenda seem to go so against the other O6ers?

why does kate's agenda seem to go so against the other O6ers?

Kristy Kreem remember how happy she was when the judge at her trial told her she couldn't leave the state of CA for, 10 years?? Because she wouldn't have to go back to the island? But, yes, now I think when she was apologixing to Aaron it is because she is going to take him back. What made her come to this decision?

Kristy Kreem that last post from me!

Tootsie1 - I think Sun shared her pregnancy with Michael because they were friends on the island and she may be aware that he's trying to get the freighter fixed and get them off the island. Maybe as a sign of forgiveness. I think that the sonogram confirmed it woud have been Jin's baby.

Forgot about magnetic sickness. I believe they got the engine fixed but the C2 was causing interference with audio transmissions. Maybe as they moved the boat closer to the island the time shift diminished?

Tasha - don't feel bad about reading spoilers! lol I read the end of the book first too :) However I stopped reading LOST spoilers as it reuined the fun of those A-hah! moments for me.

Suzie - I think the bunnies are the same but one is the time traveler. Remember in Back To The Future, Marty could not let his real-time self see his TT self or there would be big problems.

Ben is now my favorite character on the show. Followed by Sayid and now Sun. These 3 are turning out to be the ultimate bad-asses on the show. Hurray for Ben's bad-ass, baton whirling, knife-stabbing,plant identifying ways!
I have long been a member of the I Hate Jack club and the finale was no exception. He always thinks he knows best, yet always manages to screw things up royally. Don't get me started on Kate, whose hate club I'm also in. A previous writer was correct-they belong together.
I don't see where all the hate for Juliet comes from. Sure, she was one of the Others. But she was trying to save pregnant ladies. And she's also saved the survivors' bacon at least once by betraying her own people, she saved Jack's life, and she was the one who made sure Sun was the first one off the island because of her pregnancy. She's a strong character, and a lot more worthy than Kate of having a good man.
I didn't want Jin to die. I'm pretty sure he didn't though, as he had a short period of time to actually get off the freighter-by jumping. Does he make it back to the island before it moves? Does he get found by Faraday et al? I guess we'll find out next season.

I know this might be way off but considering the whole time,space thing what if the others are actually the desendents of the plane crash.

If you look at the end of the show where Locke meets up with them there is a similarity between some of the others and losties.

It might be why there is chaos due to the fact they left the island, it would cease the existants of some of the others.

Like I said it is a way out there thought but at least something to ponder.

I hope Jin made it off too. Jumping works for me!

I have decided that my "CONSTANT" is the theory of 2 dimensions. Yin and yang. Pulling the curtain on the island, etc....

Not sure what side I'm on??????

Whoa! What an episode. I'm sad it ended though :-( Did anyone see the alternate endings? Oh my god! They were Sawyer in the casket or Desmond. I would've killed the producers for doing that. And Desmond just reunited with Penny. I mean, first Charlie and Claire, then JIn and Sun, then Sawyer and Kate, I couldn't take more breakups!

As soon as I heard the name Jeremy Bentham, I freaked out. I had learned about him earlier this term in my Sociology of Law class. I looked at my notes and saw that he was the founder of the cost-benefit analysis and utilitarianism. I figured I would look on lostpedia to see what it said and there was this huge connection. So he was a philosopher, along with John Locke (I always freaked out a little when I heard that name in sociology classes, but never really thought much more about it) and John Locke was an understudy or something or Bentham (maybe the other way around) and then there was also someone named Anthony Cooper involved with John Locke's life and something about donating a liver to one of them and so on....I just love how Lost does stuff like that.

Tootsie 1, you write it however you want. We will figure it out!

Also Tootsie1, you asked why Richard always stayed #2, and let Ben or Locke be #1.

Maybe Richard was second in command (whatever sailor term that is) on the Black Rock, and a desendant of Ben and Locke was captain of the Black Rock?

Tasha, I've agree with your thoughts about Jack. His ego is really in overdrive. I didn't see him thinking about jumping off the helicopter to save everyone. I didn't see him storm Keamy's men to even strike the deal to get the helicopter. I've always loved Jack, but he really needs to get his head on straight. I think we can see now why he is so tormented.

I think Sawyer has changed so much since season one. He has gone from the most selfish to the most selfless.

don't even get me started on Juliette! OK, you did.

I think SHE will be the bad guy (person) on the island next year.

She always said she wanted off the island SOOOO bad. That was the way she got close to Jack. Then when the time came..."no, I'll stay here."

She knew WAY more than she would ever tell Jack and the losties. She knew where the poisen gas station was. She had the key to the handcuffs but didn't tell Kate. She got messages from Ben even when she was on the beach. ("go to the gas station place and stop Dan and Charlotte").

I would bet big money (any takers?) that Juliette knows just where the orchid is and what it does. (even though she told Jack she didn't know anything about it.)

I think Charlotte is evil somehow too, but I am not sure what her deal is yet. But I would predict that Juliette and Charlotte really bump heads next season.

I can just see a big girl fight (probably in mud or something kinky) with Sawyer getting all turned on watching.

I have said it before:
PLEASE SAWYER DON'T END UP WITH JULETTE! BE WITH THE EVIL REDHEAD IF YOU HAVE TO, BUT NOT JULIETTE!!!

oh, and I wanted to tell IloveSteamyKeamy how sorry I am for your loss of Keamy.

And you too Beej, for your loss of Keamy's whatever-colored-eyed secret triplet brother who raised weinie dogs.

and kat, I am sooo sorry that lots of people are turning on your beloved Jack. But at least he is alive. (I think)

And I remember SOMEONE had a thing for Jin. But not sure who. Sorry Sun!

And does anybody grieve for Micheal? oh, Sorry Big Walt.

*oh and, Daniel, I loved the crack about how you thought Walt would have Barry White's voice!!! REALLY funny!

*and I liked your phrase: "flashsomething"!
I am gonna use that from now on, cause I have too much trouble figuring out if we are past or present, forward, MORE forward, or reverse!

Thanks suzie. The hurt eases a little every day. But I'm keeping my name. Maybe we'll get a flashback episode of his next year, I need to know WHAT HAPPENED IN UGANDA!!!! But at least he died jacket off, so we could see his BEAUTIFUL arms.
And glad you enjoyed the movie, sarah badara. The description definitly makes me want things to settle down so I can go see it.
So sad, he's dead.
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAMY!!!!!!

Lupe Sanchez - I agree I like Juliet a lot more than Kate. Of course that doesn't take much.
The episode was great. Sun kicks ass with just a few words!
I hope Jin made it but I don't think he did.
But all the great little things pale in comparison to Sawyer wet, without a shirt!
yummmm!

I know this is a place for comments on the Lost finale, and I am new to this forum, so maybe it's been discussed before. In part one of the finale, Kate once again brings up her tracker abilities. So my question is just where did she acquire this Aragorn/Strider tracking talent? I've watched the show since day one, and it's always been a nagging question for me.

hey everyone!..wow, I've missed a lot!
The last couple of days have been real busy. & the in laws are in town. Enough said.

I am no where done reading all the posts. I want to read them so I can comment to direct things. Some of you are thinking the same things I am.

But 1 thing caught my eye--suzie! Yes my Jack's gettin quite the beating :( But it's ok. I'm standing by him. I'm not sure what happened to Locke after they left, but I heart Jack unconditionally. :)
He needs me. haha! that was fun to say! :)
hopefully when I get a chance to actually discuss stuff you guys will all be around!

I do have to say RIP John Locke. It's not easy even though I wasn't always on board with his thought process. --

loveSteamyKeamy - My thoughts are with you during this difficult time.

:)

gotta go.......y'all!

KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAMY!

given what we know now, what do y'all think about jack's tattoo reading, "he walks among us but he is not one of us"?

Thanks, kat.
Hopoefully we'll find out what happened in Uganda. That would make such a sad time less difficult. Knowledge that we're gonna see him again. Siiiiiiiigh, I miss him. So beautiful. And now gone.
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAMY

I think it's a little creepy & a huge coincidence that it's coinciding with his role on LOST.

His tattoos are all his tattoos. There was a Jimmy Kimmel interview with all of them & they brought that up.

check it out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjWPaCXC-y8

Lupe -
Kate supposedly learned to track from her stepdad (not sure if that means the military guy who she thought was her real dad, or the creep she killed who she thought was her stepdad but was her real dad).
Nice Aragorn reference though - I thought the same thing when she was tracking Sawyer and Jack. Very much like "two hobbits lay here . . ."

Peppermint Gomez--It was even more evident when she was tracking Merr-I mean, Charlie.

Suzie--Thanks, that made me laugh out loud. Twice. (It was purple eyes, by the way, just 'cause I'd run out of plausible colours by that point.) Oh, and I think it was Daniel who had a bit of a man-crush on Jin...if I remember correctly.

Yunjin Kim has always been one of the more underrated actors on LOST...I don't think anyone can "overlook" her now, however. Rock on, Woman Warrior!!

SteamyKeamy--If we don't see his backstory, will you join me in a)a harsh letter-writing campaign; b)a hostile takeover of ABC studios, or c)kidnapping Darlton? I stop short of a boycott...we both know we couldn't do it. I was so happy when he came "back from the dead", though. I was like--"THERE ARE THREE OF HIM!" Wishful thinking. We must be strong, though.

KKKKKKEEEEEEEAAAAAMMMMMMYYYYYY!!!!!!

To end some speculation on who else Sun blames for Jin's death. It is definitely Jack! He specifically says to Ben, I dont know where Sayid is, Hurley's insane, Sun blames me for....and Kate, she wont even speak to me?

Maybe Halliwax moved the island b4, Ben was wearing his parka when he moved it.

I

I've no idea what happened there. Except for, the Internet hates me.
What I was TRYIN' to say:
IloveJack--Interesting theory. But would Halliwax not have taken his parka with him?

UM....what is up with everyone saying Claire looked heavy? They didnt even show a body shot of her!!!! To me her hair just looked fuller or something. She DEFINITELY did NOT have an accent in that scene.

Beej....very true! lol Hey, I'm new at this!

It's all good, IheartJack!

Hey--someone brought this up over on the telly.com forums (that's tv.com if you insist on speaking American)...when Miles was playing Ghostbuster, he said to the ghost "You can go now."

Ok ... I know this is a bit off topic ...

But I was just watching Wild Hogs and there is a scene near the end when two of the "bad biker guys" show up ...

And lo and behold ... it's McKeamy & Mr. Friendly!!

Anyway ... it gave me a chuckle ... thought I would share! :)

Oops ... I meant "Keamy" ...

Sorry ... I don't know where I got "McKeamy!"

Watching too much Grey's I guess!

DebiDoo--I think someone actually made the joke a few posts back that we've had "McDreamy and McSteamy and now McKeamy". As annoying as the McNicknames can get, he is worthy of one.

Beej ... so true! :)

SteamyKeamy - I am really more of a Daniel or Sayid (with straight hair type) but was curious @ the attraction. Hope this link works for you! If not, go to imdb and search 4 Kevin Durand :)

http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1925879552/nm0243806

I am going to start previewing my posts again! My 6:30 a.m. post looked like 6:30 a.m.! Sorry. Meant to say Sun and wrote Jin, numerous typos... my daughter was at her senior prom in NYC and I had trouble sleeping. lol.
Guess I just gave away my age group :)

It was seriously dusty in my house for a lot of the finale!

There was a writers strike. None of the actors knew when or if it would end in regards to anymore shows this season. Don't you think it is plausible that most of them let loose a little bit with the diets and exercise?

I am just really thankful for Sawyer jumping out of the helicopter (I hope Kate feels guilty forever for picking Jack over him) and swimming to the island (he probably took the shirt and shoes off while treading water so he wouldn't drown) while pulling his beautiful long haired, 5 o'clock shadowed hunkiness that is himself onto shore.

Loved Ben remarking to John that he didn't know what flower he was looking for while Jack looked on with a duh face.

Loved Hurley telling Syid he talks to dead people while playing chess with Mr. Echo (checkmate Mr. Echo - creepiest comment ever).

Desmond and Penny reunion...perfect! Can't wait for next season!

3 - Micheal is chum. When Christian Shephard comes out of the ether to tell you "you can go now"... there is NO DOUBT you've yelled "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLT" for the last time.

HILARIOUS!

I read through the first 50 comments or so, and was very surprised that only one short question was asked regarding the whole Atlantis angle.

The statues that Jin, Sun and Sayed see from the sailboat from last (?) season plus the whole turn a knob and move an island... after breaking a glass window to climb down stairs in the snow... and all the alien/foreign symbols or hieroglyphics on the stones around the wheel...

Please, someone put those pieces together for me into an explanation that isn't Atlantis...

Lost could go in an awesome "other" direction if it starts going into the arcane myths of Atlantis... that would be sweet.

SteamyKeamy - Interview w/Keamy in USAToday!

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2008-05-27-durand-lost_N.htm?csp=34
He's a back-up singer! Maybe a little serenade to go with that hot bod? teehee

Lost in Space--Yes, Atlantis would be an interesting (and fun!) way to tie everything together. I guess I just am hoping the writers come up with something totally original...as in unique to LOST.

Duffy--The photos you linked of Keamy were GORGEOUS! Thanks you! Oh, and the captions say Keamy's middle name is Christopher. Significance?

KKKKKKAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTT!! That was just to let you know you were missed and I can't wait for your comments and theories...

I have been extremely busy as well and just finally caught up with all of the blog... and wow was that a lot of reading!!

I am sure I won't remember everything that I want to say right now... because there were a lot of things but here goes with a few...

First of all I don't remember reading any where... but did anyone think about the spider that paralyzes people... I don't for one see Locke giving up that easily or dying that easily for that matter (since the Island protects people from it... lest we forget Michael before)... maybe this dead in the casket but look tan, healthy, and shaven business is a ploy to get them all back to the island and he is using the spider as means to appear dead for the time being... a little devious I know but the picture was in Daniel's book so maybe it will come back into play somehow... could have been a Ben master plan... since he is in on helping... or it could be the fact that I don't want Locke to die... I don't know...

But while we are talking about characters dying... does anyone else think that if Sawyer or Desmond had ended up being in the coffin... via the alternate endings... then the whole Jeremy talk throughout the entire episode wouldn't have made as much sense... because everyone was portraying Jeremy as a person who wanted them all to come back to the island and save it... can we really see Sawyer so concerned about the island... or Desmond so eager to leave Penny and run around convincing everyone including Walt to go back... and why would Kate have been sooooooo dead set against going to either of their funerals'... Desmond did absolutely nothing to her... and all Sawyer did was save her life after whispering in her ear and giving her the kiss of a lifetime... soooo I guess what I am saying is considering the fact they made them as endings for the slight chance that someone spoiled the surprise... then they would have been stupid endings and I would have been very angry... not just cause Sawyer is hott and I love him... but because they wouldn't have made any sense and I would have been ripping my hair out... anyone else agree??

RE: CLAIRE not being EMILIE

Okay I have been a fan of Emilie for quite a while... I loved her in Roswell... and The Hills Have Eyes... and let the list go on... and ignoring the fact that she has done interviews about the finale and the fact that she is in the credits... where did you crazy people get the idea that that wasn't her... I mean it looks exactly like her...

As far as the fat comments go... she isn't exactly in every scene so do you expect her to look the same all the time... but frankly I don't see the fat that you are all talking about... I saw crazy hair... I mean out of control it looks like a wig crazy hair... that was soooo poofy it made her face and neck look wider... maybe that was the delusion you were all seeing that made her appear fat to you... but she did cut her hair recently and maybe for character sake they made her wear one that made her look bad... however if you slow down and look at things like her arms and neck they are just as thin as ever... no double chin... no flabby arm fat... they don't even look wide... just her neck... from that hair... (not to mention for you boys... did her breasts look any bigger... no I tell you... not even there did she gain wait)... so why don't we chill on that business... and all the crazy theories about her twins and crap cause they were getting a little bit far fetched even for lost... and I was laughing quite heartily at some of them...

But on a side note... I will agree with you all that she was lacking in the Aussie accent... maybe it was because she was yelling and only had two lines... but the only time I detected it... and it was very slight was at the end of the first threatening sentence when she tried to spit out Kate...

Oh I remembered two more things I wanted to ask about and one I wanted to comment about...

Did no one find it strange that the tape at the orchid... just started rewinding... and Locke couldn't stop it... almost like the invisible Locke or Ben or someone from the future or other time... came over and stopped him from watching the rest... because they didn't want him to see it... why would they show the player malfunction in such great detail... zooming in on him pushing the buttons if it didn't have meaning... (kinda like the new press conference: the three that died on the island were specifically named?? for what purpose... there has to be one... and why did they add Jack's comment about laying his Dad to rest despite the lack of a body to the conference... it is almost like they were explaining them for a reason... why I don't know... your guess is as good as mine)
Anyone else find that strange?

I am with everyone on the idea that the island has been moved before... someone had to tell Ben how to move it... I mean he knew he was going someplace cold... and enough to take a crowbar... and he knew where the hieroglyphic room was... and even that if you move the island you can't come back... therefore Locke was going to be in charge... it is not like when Locke came out from talking to Christian via Jacob and said we have to move the island and Ben when WTF?! He said... oh... it can be done but only in extreme conditions blah blah blah... BUT... and here is where my question comes in... if it had been moved before... (possibly by Widmore... an idea I really like)... then why was the elevator still intact... shouldn't it have been blown to bits already to reveal that passage... or is there another way to get there and Ben had to be dramatic? Any thoughts?

Now for my comment... on the Charlotte thing... I like the idea that she is someone's daughter born on the island... perhaps Annie's and someone's... maybe even (stretching it again though for whoever came up with this) Charlie's and Claire's... but her being Annie... that is too much... I draw the line... Annie didn't really look like her... people can't just grow up and gain bright red hair and light colored eyes and freckles out of their butt compared to when they were little... I mean sometimes Kate's freckles seem to come and go... or all those other strange things that you people like to point out... but freckles on the same person could be explained by makeup or simply time off camera and out of the freakin Hawaiian sun... but no... she is looks nothing like young Annie... and lost has remained true to the people resembling those who they grow up to be... at least keeping relatively the same hair color and eye color anyways... she could be related... but herself grown up... NO... I think not... and again someone else has said it.. wouldn't Ben say something to her if it was Annie... and she is way to young to be Annie... there I said it.. that is my opinion.. if I am wrong then that is just one other thing for me to add to my list...

P.S. MMMMMMM... I completely agree about the Sawyer with his shirt off business being the best shot of the night...

P.P.S. Juliette and Sawyer... gag me with a spoon... someone shoot me right now... or better yet shoot Sawyer's character on the show... cause I would rather see him dead than with her... and he is one of the main reasons I watch the show... SO I might have to QUIT it then!!

P.P.P.S. Yes.... checkmate Mr. Eko gave me the goosebumps... and Desmond and Penny made me tear up... and Sun was amazing she deserves an Oscar... and Miles was creepy and very helpful in outing Charlotte... but my two top lines of the night had to be:

1.) The beloved return of the Sawyer nicknames... and the special one I am referring two is KENNY ROGERS... I was rolling... poor Lawnmower man...

and

2.) Rose... she is not on camera enough but... who told you you could eat those peanuts... can I eat these peanuts... I am watching you SHORTY!!! ROFLMAOBBQ

Kruxoli -- no one here agrees with me, but I continue to maintain that Christian was not speaking for Jacob, and that Locke's lie cause all of the trouble. Locke was torn even as a child -- he chose items representing both The Others (Jacob) and Dharma (the knife, Abbadon ... and Christian). In that case, if Claire is with Christian, then she would be trying to prevent Kate from doing whatever it is that Ben/Others want, that is, Kate and Aaron going back to the island.

I thought Claire definitely looked different, but my guess was that Emilie de Raven was pregnant.

Also is this really old news and I never hear anything... but Kristin Bell was supposed to star on Lost as Charlotte??? If that is old then someone tell me... but WOW would Daniel have loved that...

As to those people who think there's another way to get to the moving-the-Island chamber thingy (because that appeared to be the first time the Orchid wall was blasted through, but the Island was probably moved before), maybe that's where the Batcave in Ben's house leads to. That had heiroglyphics on the wall, too, right? Just a suggestion. I don't know why he would've been going there during the seige of New Otherton, though. Maybe it serves a dual purpose? Any thoughts?

Barbara, I agree with you. I have always said I think Christian tricked Locke because he is NOT really speaking for Jacob.

I guess it is just me, but I have never really understood the reasoning for the big lie.
It is the only part of this whole show that just seems kind of lame.
Jack just decided that they should all make up this complicated lie because it would protect the people left on the island. Even though the island just disappeared and they don't even know if people are still on it.
The people who could hurt the losties already know the truth.
And all of the O6 just agree with Jack and lie too.
If he would have just said "no one will believe the truth." I could maybe understand that.

are we sure ben doesn't know about christian? locke originally expected ben and hurley to go with him into jacob's cabin, but ben declined and hurley followed suit. if christian tricked locke, then he also tricked ben.

another thing: why did christian let jack leave the island?

and why why why, if locke wants jack to believe in miracles so badly, doesn't he ever tell jack he was paralyzed before the crash?

If you told people that you spent 108 days on an island with hatches and Others and that a black smoke monster killed people and there was a woman who'd been there for 16 years and a slave ship sitting in the middle of it .... even if five people told you that ... would YOU believe them? Or would all five be dragged off to the Santa Rosa asylum.

Just saying ...

I agree with lot of things people are saying. I think, hope, that Locke is faking his death with the spider venom, (validating in a small way the paulo and nikki story) to somehow get the O6 back to the island.
I think the Dharma people showed up after the island moved last and built the Orchid around the anomily but didn't know the actuall location. Ben got the location from the Others.
I'm guessing Annie left the island pregnant with Ben's kid Charlotte, cause Ben's just not husdand material. Just a little too phsyco:)
Oh and I think they give us the 3 other names just to give us something to talk about.

I found this on Popular Mechanics of all places, but it is seriously interesting:

Last night on Lost, Ben moved the island—presumably thousands of miles. Could he actually do that, without huge accelerations that would obliterate all structures and kill all the people on the island? The surprising answer, in physics, is yes ... sort of. The trick is that you don't really move the island. Rather, you change its space-time connection to the rest of the Earth.

Space and time in relativity theory are quite flexible. Gravity is one manifestation of that. According to Einstein's discovery, the presence of mass-energy warps space-time; what we perceive as gravity is just the curvature of space-time. That's the Theory of General Relativity, now firmly established by experimental tests. The strange behavior of time and space (the fact that two twins traveling apart can experience different amounts of time, for example) are verified daily in our physics labs, using radioactive particles rather than twins. I've verified this myself.

Here's a simple example of how you can change distances without moving. The distance between the Sun and Alpha-Centauri is about 4.3 light years. If a small black hole passed in between, the gravitational effects on the two stars would be negligible—yet the direct line distance between the two would become infinite. The two stars haven't moved; rather, you have changed the nature of space in the in-between region. The black hole has an infinitely deep space warp surrounding it. Of course, if you want to travel between the two stars, just go around—avoid the black hole.

Perhaps you've read about wormholes, those theoretical objects in current relativity theory. We don't know of any that exist, but they do appear to be possible. Physicists love to play with the concept. They can connect two parallel universes, or two parts of a folded universe. (A folded universe has three special dimensions that are curved in a fourth special dimension.)

To make physics sense of the movement of the island in Lost, I assume that the island is actually connected to the South Pacific by a wormhole-like warp in space-time. (It doesn't have to be a simple worm hole; it could be a warren of parallel and intersecting tubes.) Then, to move the island, all you have to do is move the wormhole connection, not the island itself. That's what I think Ben did. He changed the nature of the space-time connection between the island and the rest of the world.

So the island didn't disappear. It didn't even move. Imagine that you are visiting a small town that you used to visit when you were young. You drive for miles, and never come to it. But it turns out the town has not moved. Rather, the highway now goes around it. That's what Ben did—he changed the highway.

If this is right, it explains the role of Daniel Faraday, the physicist. From the references on his blackboard, and his experiments with space-time, it's clear he understands advanced relativity and quantum mechanics. He insists on traveling to and from the island on a precise trajectory of 305 degrees—perhaps to stay in the center of the wormhole, which is sort of like the eye of the needle. Stay within the eye, and you're okay—but any deviation wreaks havoc on your space-time (especially for a complex wormhole), thus accounting for Desmond's strange excursions in space and time.

I'm guessing if you have a real wormhole, it would have a structure like a sponge, and if you wander off and get stuck in that space-time continuum, then all sorts of strange things would happen. What would happen would be unpredictable, just like scientists have a hard time predicting waves in the ocean or a candle flame in the breeze. Those things are just complicated.

The Season Four finale also makes reference to the Casimir Effect. This is a well known phenomenon in quantum mechanics, and has been measured experimentally. The Casimir effect is a consequence of the fact that the vacuum contains energy. Some people speculate that one could draw on this vacuum energy for an unlimited supply. I don't think so, but maybe I am wrong, and Ben has figured out a way to do that. I suspect that Ben, too, is a physicist—the one person who has figured out how to understand the connection between quantum theory and relativity, and to manipulate them—at least to some degree, just as he manipulates people. That's why Charles Widmore is so anxious to capture Ben alive. Only Ben really understands the physics.

Richard Muller is a professor of physics at the University of California at Berkeley who frequently cites Lost in class. His book, Physics for Future Presidents, will be published by Norton in June.

LIT - Wow!
ajs - thanks for giving my thoughts some backup. Thought I was a little way out with the spider/Locke thing and Annie being Charlotte's mom. I agree. With the decisions Ben has made, I don't think I'd leave a baby with him for a girl's night out. Stay out too late and he just might move the island on you.
Beej - You're welcome. I'm not a Keamy fan, but those pics were HOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!

Hurley possibly the new Miles? He is talking to dead people now...just a thought

Also, can someone remind me, who is Annie? I can't remember

Atlantis... that would be sweet.

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You could have something there. Would explain why no one has been able to find Atlantis.

I mean sometimes Kate's freckles seem to come and go... or all those other strange things that you people like to point out... but freckles on the same person could be explained by makeup or simply time off camera and out of the freakin Hawaiian sun

does anyone else think that if Sawyer or Desmond had ended up being in the coffin... via the alternate endings... then the whole Jeremy talk throughout the entire episode wouldn't have made as much sense...

Did no one find it strange that the tape at the orchid... just started rewinding... and Locke couldn't stop it

Posted by: Lyndsey Z

However, the last time Kate's freckles disappeared Sawyer also stopped calling her freckles.

Jeremy could have been used by anyone of the 3. The writers would only need to say that each one had a reason for wanting all back on the island.

Remember the phone call that Kate got? The person on the other line was also talking backward YET Kate seemed to understand what she was told. Going with the Ying and Yan again on this.

I second what Janelle says.

That's all for now, just woke up. Haha, have to put all these opinions of everyone together and see what I think for today.

I don't know if this makes sense to anyone else, I'm not even sure it makes sense to ME, but try and stay with me here...

ME TOO says something interesting about how Kate seems to totally understand the backward whispers in the phonecall without even thinking. This is pretty remarkable considering I've spent a lifetime trying to figure out silly stuff like Pig Latin and still don't recognize a darned thing. So, if she instantly recognized it, it made me think of the words being like a 'mirror image' of a picture. You know how you look in the mirror and your right eye is your left eye? Mirror imaging, or better said, a 'folded' universe (read below)

"Perhaps you've read about wormholes, those theoretical objects in current relativity theory. We don't know of any that exist, but they do appear to be possible. Physicists love to play with the concept. They can connect two parallel universes, or two parts of a folded universe. (A folded universe has three special dimensions that are curved in a fourth special dimension.)"

I took that out of my own post above... if Kate and the 06 are living in the 'folded' or 'parallel' universe of the rest of the island, it is also possible (isn't it?) to assume that each Lostie that died (and thereby 'off' the island) is in the folded universe as well (why Charlie/Echo/Horace/Christian/more? have been seen as dead and also visiting others!)

Does anyone get what I'm saying? I don't even know if I do.

ME TOO---

But why would Sawyer and Desmond be so desperate to get them back... Sawyer just bailed out to stay and save them... and Desmond couldn't have wanted to go back he was happy with Penny... and why for that matter would Kate have been so dead set against going to their funerals... I would think she would want to go to Sawyer's and would be angry with Desmond for any reason... but Locke had just screwed with the Losties world and left them for New Otherton and she didn't seem too particularly in love with Locke... so I can see the whole not wanting the be at a funeral for him... I just don't see it... and I am glad that no one spoiled the ending cause Sawyer or Desmond wouldn't have made sense to me... just wouldn't... the producers would have had some explaining to do next season about what the heck happened on that island for them to be in that coffin...

OOPS... above I meant to say Kate wouldn't have been upset with Desmond for any reason... did they really even talk that much... and Desmond has done no wrong that I have ever seen except for missing pushing the button which cause the plane crash... but she would have been pissed off long before now about that... and she even hugged Penny for kripe sakes... just saying

I've never noticed Kate's freckles disappear. She has freckles in The Beginning of the End where Sawyer calls her Kate (for the first time). They're faint but they're there.
Maybe she has more now because of too much sun exposer!

Speaking of Sun--She's a bad-ass!

suzie - Jack didn't just decide to make up a lie, Locke asked him to lie. What made him, in that moment, decide they did need to lie, I'd love to find out! I'm hoping that they show us what happened on Penny's boat that week. They all probably came up with the story together. Maybe Desmond & Penny even chimed in. OR maybe not the less they know the better.

But I believe in the lie, they were trying to protect the people they left behind & the island. I think they know, even though they saw the island just vanish, they know their people are alive.
I'm just curious why you think that's lame.
(I know you know this but I'm asking because I'm interested in your answer--nothing negative here at all suzie q! :)

I also think Jin jumps off the freighter before it blows up. (I hope he does anyway) and swam back to the shore to find Sawyer & Juliet....what a scene that would make!! The freighter blows up but from Jin's point of view & he watches as they take off in the helicopter w/ Sun screaming.. Maybe we'll see that next season.

I'm still reading through all the posts! haha!

I don't know if this has been mentioned before. With the idea in mind that people are shifting into different roles, like Locke being the new Christian and Hurley being the new Miles. Wouldn't that make Jin the new Desmond and Sun the new Penny?

When the island moved that whole flash of light was the exact same one that happened when they stopped putting in the numbers to the 108 minute machine thingy. -- So i feel like maybe the island was moved before but we just didn't know what it was.

If so... who moved it?? I mean maybe I'm wrong but that whole flash of light n loud noise seemed so familiar.

When the island moved that whole flash of light was the exact same one that happened when they stopped putting in the numbers to the 108 minute machine thingy. -- So i feel like maybe the island was moved before but we just didn't know what it was.

If so... who moved it?? I mean maybe I'm wrong but that whole flash of light n loud noise seemed so familiar.

Kat - what a great way to start of the next season, from the viewpoints of everyone left behind - Daniel and the extras lol, Jin, Saywer and ugh Juliet. We already know where