He's Our You
Welcome back (finally) to another edition of the "Lost" Diary.What a crazy week this has been for me personally. I am doing this Sunday night, the day after seeing Prince three times in one night. He started playing his first song at 8:00 PM and his last around 3:00 AM. I got recognized a few times from my encounter with Prince Thursday night. And, along the way, somehow became the most hated "Lost" blogger on the Internet. Good times.
I feel like this is the part where I apologize for not posting this in a timely fashion -- and that would be true; I am sorry I didn't get to do this sooner.
I am not going to get into reasons/excuses or anything like that. Whether it's my job or not (and it isn't, I get nothing extra from doing this -- except that it's a shitload of fun and you guys are the best), I do have an obligation to you all. It's an implied covenant -- you wake up Thursday morning, you get a "Lost" Diary. That's the deal.
Life gets in the way sometimes (I doubt anyone has watched every single episode of "Lost" on the night it aired) but I need to a better job of managing my time. What I have tried to juggle is whether or not it's better for me to watch the show when I am dead tired and rushing through it ... or wait a day or two and try do it right. I think I have learned the correct answer there.
For all you "Lost" Diary newbies, here's how it goes: I gather with a group of friends watching "Lost," writing what happens on the show as it happens, and throwing in my two cents along the way. You know the rest. Let's roll:
9:02 -- I think this opening little story about a young Sayid killing chickens is supposed to tell me something. Once a killer, always a killer -- perhaps?
9:03 -- Is Little Ben creepy on his own ... or because we know he becomes Big Ben?
9:04 -- Nope, he's creepy allllll on his own.
9:08 -- Some guy is running for his life, presumably from Sayid.
9:09 -- Yup, it was Sayid. R.I.P. random guy.
9:10 -- That hat makes Ben look ridiculous.
9:11 -- Horace and Radzinsky are conducting a little Good Cop/Nerdy Cop with Sayid. Again, the parallels between Sayid being held captive and Ben being held captive back in season 2 are just obvious.
9:12 -- As Juliet and Sawyer have their moment together, even now, days later, I can hear the collective screams of every woman watching. They are probably calling Juliet a four-letter word I cannot repeat.
9:14 -- "A 12-year-old Ben Linus brought me a chicken salad sandwich. How do you think I'm doing?" -- Sayid.
9:15 -- Sawyer wants Sayid to join the Dharma Club, Sayid just wants out. If I were Sayid .... not sure what I'd do.
9:19 -- Hurley is now a chef in Dharmaville. Sounds about right.
9:20 -- Now Ben's dad has entered the picture. He's still a joy to be around.
9:22 -- "I looked." -- Ben
9:23 -- Now that Ben has killed Locke, he's lying to Sayid to try and get him to come back to civilization and kill some people.
9:24 -- I don't know, I think Sayid does like killing. A lot. Doesn't make him a bad guy. It does make him a killer though.
9:25 -- Sawyer is turning Sayid over to the Others version of Sayid. Sawyer is about to tell Sayid, "He's our you." Get it?
9:26 -- "He's our you." -- Sawyer. Sooner that I thought.
9:27 -- Sawyer should have said, "He's our dorky you."
9:32 -- We're back to right before everyone went back to the island and Sayid is flirting with the marshal who will eventually arrest him.
9:33 -- "I like sad men." -- . Really? Who says that?
9:34 -- Sayid's got a whole "Out of Sight" thing going on right now.
9:35 -- "Because I am a bad man." -- Sayid
9:36 -- Wow, Sayid is blabbering like a damn fool. Wouldn't have thought he would crumble so easily. Nerdy Sayid is good.
9:37 -- "You're all going to die, you know?" -- Sayid
9:38 -- Juliet and Kate are talking about Sawyer. Remember that time they wrestled in the rain? Cause I do. Again.
9:40 -- The Others are leaning towards killing Sayid. They are going to put it to a vote. I don't like his chances.
9:41 -- Even Sawyer votes yes. Gotta protect his perfect little Dharma life.
9:46 -- Yup, Sayid is getting his "Out of Sight" on big time.
9:47 -- Wait, I don't remember the movie going like this.
9:48 -- Sayid, still doped up on whatever, seems perfectly content to die.
9:49 -- Sawyer wants to know why everyone came back. But before Kate can say anything, a flaming VW wagon goes trolling through Dharmaville.
9:50 -- It just occurred to me who set the wagon on fire -- Little Ben.
9:51 -- Yup, Little Ben is trying to spring Sayid from Dharma prison -- and Sayid thinks his purpose is to play matchmaker between Ben and the Others. Interesting.
9:57 -- "Are you sure we're going to Guam?" -- Sayid. He can tell what's going on -- and he doesn't like it one bit.
9:58 -- Do you think Ben hired the bounty hunter? Cause I do.
9:59 -- Sayid and Little Ben are running through the forest, out of Dharmaville, when they met up with Jin.
10:00 -- Sayid took out Jin rather easily.
10:01 -- R.I.P. Little Ben. Well, that should have rather curious consequences, don't you think?
I used to judge all episodes of "Lost" by asking this question -- "What did we learn this week?" I recently switched it up to this, "If you were talking to someone who missed this episode, how long would it take you to tell them everything they NEEDED to know going into the next week?"
Let's try it for this episode -- Sayid shot Little Ben.
That's it.
But this does set us up to possibly answer a lingering question of all this time travel stuff -- Can the Losties change history? Or, better yet, are the Losties already part of history and now they're just fulfilling their destiny? (Not likely if Little Ben is really dead)
I have to give this episode a D. Lame, flat, boring, but with a semi-decent ending. I can't say this episode made me angry, but it certainly didn't bring anything to the table.
I wanted to give you guys a quick summary of the "Lost" writers forum I went to last week. I thought it would yield more interesting things, but the "Lost" writers did more joking around than anything. They are all quite funny. Here are some highlights:
-- Edward Kitsis is hysterical. He's a writer/producer for the show and he is just awesome. Apparently certain writers tend to write more of the episodes for certain characters, and Kitsis tends to do the Hurley-centric episodes -- and it shows. I am just BEYOND furious that they are making a sequel to "TRON," but Kitsis is the one writing it, so now I am fine with it.
-- The two biggest punchlines of the night were Nikki & Paulo and the episode where we learn about Jack's tattoos. Actually, Jack's tattoos came up quite often as an example of an episode that sucked. And, of course, Nikki & Paulo jokes drew huge laughter from the crowd.
-- The writers said only four scenes have ever been shot outside of Hawaii. That blew my mind.
-- There was something that Damon Lindelof said that I thought summed up "Lost" perfectly and, to be quite honest, gave me goosebumps. Someone asked the panel if the writers ever wrote themselves into a situation they then realized they couldn't get out of. Damon answered, "Sometimes when we back ourselves into a corner, we just walk up the side of the wall." Wow.
Until Thursday ...
Comments
Daniel, welcome back! I hope your read on all the attention (positive and negative) as an indication of how popular this blog is. You have created something truly special and not many people can make that claim. Just wanted to say THANK YOU brutha!
Posted by: flashest monk | March 30, 2009 09:00 AM
well its about time! Damn!!
Posted by: Kevin | March 30, 2009 09:01 AM
Daniel,
I can't believe that Prince gave away his guitar to a fan! Are you upset? Were you having dreams that it was you?!?!?! I saw that and felt so bad for you - maybe next time!
sarah badara
Posted by: sarah badara | March 30, 2009 09:02 AM
dude, if you don't want to do the diary anymore, just tell us..... and you should have held on to the guitar and never let the guy take it from you....all you had to do was say - hey, prince gave it to me.. so it's mine, now!
Posted by: patrick | March 30, 2009 09:06 AM
I am so glad you had a great weekend and for taking time out to do this blog.....Thanks :)
Posted by: Barb | March 30, 2009 09:06 AM
Little Ben isn't dead. Not yet anyway.
Posted by: Jeff | March 30, 2009 09:07 AM
saw on TMZ weekend that you were the fan that Prince gave his guitar to, but that you had to give it back. bummer.
Posted by: Anonymous | March 30, 2009 09:08 AM
Oh Daniel! no apologies needed! you were with PRINCE!!!!
Posted by: sarah | March 30, 2009 09:09 AM
Hey Daniel,
I am glad you waited to write this week. Sorry for all the hate you received. I love your blog! Thanks for taking the time to write it and get us all involved in it.
As to the episode, it was nice to see how Sayid ended up building houses. Ben is a total mastermind. As to little Ben being dead, I don't think so because the Island heals or Jack will again have to save Ben? I really can't figure out where this season is going to go. It will be fun to watch the writers walk on some walls to get it all together!
Thanks again Daniel!
Posted by: Katie J in Connecticut | March 30, 2009 09:09 AM
Sarah you mental midget, that WAS Daniel who got the guitar! Geez, what is it with some of you broads?
Posted by: Tommy Tutone | March 30, 2009 09:11 AM
The guy Prince gave the guitar to WAS Daniel... but then Prince's people took it back!
Posted by: doh | March 30, 2009 09:12 AM
Daniel, no apologies necessary, late is better than never! Thanks for giving us a place to overanalyze and discuss LOST. I don't have anyone else to watch with, so as long as you don't disappear for months (like this summer) I can handle it.
Posted by: Jenn3 | March 30, 2009 09:14 AM
We love you, but you always hurt (harass, ridicule, berate, abuse, neglect) the ones you love!! Welcome back, you were missed. And we totally understand, right class??
Posted by: Spacemonkey | March 30, 2009 09:20 AM
All of the haters are just being mean because they know they are faceless and won't be held accountable for their words. Guarantee you they would never say that stuff to your face. You're one of the best and most entertaining Lost re cappers. Keep it up! Thanks Daniel.
Posted by: jk | March 30, 2009 09:21 AM
I think Flashest Monk summed it up quite nicely Daniel. I, for one, would never bring on the hate because regardless of whether or not you recap (timely or otherwise), this is still a great forum to discuss the show.
Posted by: MicheleD | March 30, 2009 09:26 AM
Dont worry, buddy. Glad you have the diary for a Monday.
Posted by: DJC | March 30, 2009 09:29 AM
You know, it IS better with Daniel.
That makes sense about the writers, because certain episodes have a different feel. Hurley episodes are way more fun, even when they don't tell us much. Sawyer and Hurley together are the best.
I have a stupid question: how would you feel if the final episode killed everyone. Just boom. They are all dead? Would you feel cheated? Would that be the only solution, because how screwed up will these people be once this is done? Or is island life the life for them? Never go back to the mainland? I am only asking for opinions, NOT spoilers. For me, it would depend on how they went boom, but I think that would be too final for me, and feel like a cop out. I think...
Posted by: Spacemonkey | March 30, 2009 09:29 AM
Yes, someone trying to post as me and they can't even get it right!
So do you really think Little Ben is dead? I mean, wouldn't that just mess everything up? I get so stuck on the time loop thing. And course correcting...ugh. The only part of the show that really confuses me...
Posted by: ssarah badara | March 30, 2009 09:30 AM
Completely agree with your grade - the episode didn't do too much for me either. However, I did enjoy the old school setup of an episode being one character centric, I've been missing that this season!
Posted by: Mickey | March 30, 2009 09:33 AM
TRON... really, now you're ok with doing a sequel? When was the last time this was shown on TV? Would anyone under, say 35, understand TRON now?
But Daniel - you say with that Lost writer it'll likely be ok - so I'm countin on this brutha, I'm countin on this...
Posted by: fanolost | March 30, 2009 09:33 AM
on lostpedia for this episode, under the "bloopers and continuity errors" section, it says sayid's father's accent was egyptian, not iraqi, which is very distinguishable. interesting that it's egyptian, where the origins of the hostiles may be....perhaps sayid is a long lost OTHER??
Posted by: cammies | March 30, 2009 09:35 AM
not long lost other, long lost hostile i meant
Posted by: cammies | March 30, 2009 09:36 AM
@spacemonkey - not a stupid question... I would be unhappy if all went 'boom.' I'd also be way unhappy if everyone got kumbaya and went back to civilization - some tried before and it wasn't working for them...
It shouldn't be all rosy - that's just not LOST. But for everyone to die? nah. Maybe die in the 21st century sense and return to, say, the Black Rock era or before? A little Hannibal time? Times where they REALLY came from?
Posted by: fanolost | March 30, 2009 09:36 AM
your recaps are more and more boring every week...and the 4 quotes from the lost forum is pretty damn weak...
Posted by: a.j. | March 30, 2009 09:36 AM
@cammies - so I just wrote them all going back to where they originally came from - and there's that little Sayid/Egyptian blip... kewl...
Posted by: fanolost | March 30, 2009 09:37 AM
fanolost - did you write about that in the other page...or the other one...hahaha i can't handle more than one page per episode. what was your theory about them going back?
Posted by: cammies | March 30, 2009 09:40 AM
Daniel, sounds like you had a wonderful weekend! Don't feel too bad that you left us waiting. I mean if we can wait 10 months for a new season of Lost then a few extra days for your blog isn't too much of an issue.
Posted by: Shari | March 30, 2009 09:42 AM
We totally understand Daniel, we appreciate you writing it at all cause as you say you don't get paid extra to do it. We love you and keep up the good work. Sorry you didn't get to keep the guitar.
Posted by: shell | March 30, 2009 09:45 AM
Daniel - Please ignore all of the comments from the negative complainers. Most of us appreciate that you post this blog on your own time with no compensation. THANK YOU for taking the time to do it.
About the episode - no way little Ben is dead. Jack is going to save him. I'm hanging on to the idea that the past can't be changed (maybe altered a little, but the final outcomes remain the same).
Posted by: Lori | March 30, 2009 09:51 AM
I really don't think Ben can be dead because everything that happened already wouldn't have happened and that would screw up the whole story right?
Posted by: shell | March 30, 2009 09:54 AM
I don't think this is the real Daniel anymore writing this blog. The one I fell in love with reading; was witty, funny and insightful!
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate you still doing this blog and I come here and read every week, but seriously if you would put this post today up against one a couple years back..you would certainly see the difference in writing style.
{And it has NOTHING to do with this paticular episode.} This has been going on for quite some time now.
I hope you can fall back in love with Lost & this blog again, cause it sure feels like you are'nt in this relationship anymore. And I for one miss the "Real Daniel"
Posted by: Where'sDaniel | March 30, 2009 09:55 AM
And ... the good thing about the diary being delayed.... We only have to look a creeply little ben's face for a few days instead of a whole week.
9:03 -- Is Little Ben creepy on his own ... or because we know he becomes Big Ben?
9:04 -- Nope, he's creepy allllll on his own.
LOL I have had the same debate in my head!
Posted by: Jenn3 | March 30, 2009 09:55 AM
Daniel,
I hope you don't think there aren't people who appreciate this blog. In a perfect world it would be up every Thursday morning. But its not a perfcet world. I would rather wait a few days and get a quality post than have you rush through it.
To all the haters: Start your own blog!
Posted by: Sara | March 30, 2009 09:55 AM
i don't think ben is dead either, but i wonder if jack will save him. that seems the obvious route, but new jack is kinda like...whatev, man. i think there would have to be some major incentive from him to save ben's life.
Posted by: cammies | March 30, 2009 10:00 AM
I don't think Jack will save little Ben - he's likely thinking all will be right if he doesn't. (Cuz sometimes Jack doesn't think it all through like we do!)
Someone though - from Ajira likely needs Ben - I think he's got one or more tabs on the kid(s) and someone will want him to be alive.
Juliet... there's a thought ... she saves him, Jack goes ballistic, and he kills her... yeah, I like that. Then James can go back to being Sawyer and exact revenge (ala his Sawyer dad) on Jack.
Ooohhh...
Posted by: fanolost | March 30, 2009 10:05 AM
excellent to have you back brutha. leave it at that
i rewatched the 2nd part and look my notes
the one part i am still seeking input is the logo on those boxes etc in the russian's room that sayid shot in the beginning. it is holding a clue i think
about more clues given and my observations:
when ben went to visit sayid in dominican republic and told him "I looked" when asked how he found him. remember ben ALWAYS has a plan.
Is Sayid a born killer? i think there are those are capable of killing and those that can't...whether out of necessity or other
What music was playing when they approached Oldham's teepee? the lyrics were like "i can't get you out of my.." my closed caption wasn't working on this episode for some reason. it usually tells me who is singing it...another clue to a certain extent.
oh yeah when sayid and ben and gang were at the dock at night one of the boats was stenciled "Illusion" hmm what is that to mean?
when were tasers invented? have to look that one up or consult CAM again :)
I for one enjoyed this episode for the little things. i think if you rewatch and pause and look or listen to the things in the background it will give you little clues or insight.
At first i thought at the bounty hunter gal (illea or seomthing like that) was hired by ben but then when ben came on board i rethought it...still thinking about that. could be he subcontracted through a middleman?? :)
Sayid was drinking MacCutcheon (sp?) - the whisky that widmore was drinking when wouldn't give desmond when he asked to marry penny and that charlie and hurley plied desmond with at the beach to get him drunk. and that widmore had by his bedside when ben went to visit.
I like that sayid asked the bounty hunter -how do you know so much about temptation? another bible reference for ssarah
the LCD scene was great or whatever it was. sayid telling what each station is and radinsky's mind being blown. i guess it must be pre orchid and time traveling bunnyland -either chang keeping a secret etc.
sayid cackling about oldham commenting "maybe i should use 1/2 dropper? oops. and sayid's response "you used exactly enough." sawyer rolling eyes - loved it best scene!! i will def rewatch that one. so ??? does horace know what is going on at stations or is it chang's eyes only?
i liked the exchange between kate and juliet at the garage whatever. really natural the way juliet is relieved kate knows and kate jokes that hurley told her.
I want to know more about this Rule of Law that Horace refers to. I know it is in reference to the Book of Law that Richard showed lil' Locke. ooh idea - have a lil losties show where they all cross paths as kiddos - spinoff material for saturday morning :)
what is the rule of law/book of law in everyone's opinion. i know that is another word for the old testament but curious of other books out there....
so radinsky's first name is Stu? sawyer finally calling people by their names... he has changed.
i know people think amy is creepy/scary but they are trying to show you that it is all about perspective. from hers - she had a bag put over her head and hubby killed. of course we don't know her backstory but she is trying to protect her baby - i think most people can relate to that - not justifying killing sayid just showing a different view
tho sawyer did call phil a "ding a ling".
maybe sawyer's nice teeth are because Bernard did make it and he worked on his teeth. he is a dentist remember?
i like how sawyer tells kate how sayid just gave me a earful of crap about his damn purpose. hee hee poor sawyer just wants to play house in peace.
in next scenes i like the narration as well
They thought returning to the island was a good idea
But going back
Has risked all of their lives
and then sawyer's last line to kate...Keep your mouth shut and stop asking questions. i bet most of you loved that.
sorry about the long post.
tried to put space so not so hard to read. That is what happens when diary is so late. i think of a lot of stuff to write. peace
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 10:08 AM
what is the extent of juliet's surgical ability? i know she can perform a c-section and do other baby-related medical stuff, but can she really perform (potentially) complicated bullet-removing surgery?
Posted by: cammies | March 30, 2009 10:18 AM
@ Victoria "what is the rule of law/book of law in everyone's opinion. i know that is another word for the old testament but curious of other books out there...."
It could be the social contract (from real life John Locke, Bentham, Russeau, Hobbes.. help me here ssarah, its been a while)
Posted by: Jenn3 | March 30, 2009 10:20 AM
@cammies - she pulled out Jack's appendix... so she seems to be able to do 'other things.' Maybe not as well as... but heck, it's better than nothing... no?
Posted by: fanolost | March 30, 2009 10:20 AM
no worries, Daniel. don't play into the haters. Great recap!!
@cammies - thanks for sharing that tidbit, interesting.
Posted by: *lynne* | March 30, 2009 10:20 AM
fanolost - true dat. i could see that happening, and that's maybe why adult ben is infatuated with her...
Posted by: cammies | March 30, 2009 10:22 AM
hmm cammies i think you may be right - i have thought about it and i used to think harper and the older woman in the house with duliet when she burned the muffins from the book club meeting were talking about annie...but they must be talking about juliet in the past...weird. she will save him and he will fall in love with her - florence nightingale syndrome.
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 10:26 AM
so where is annie gonna fall with things...
she has to be connected somewhere. with charlotte?
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 10:27 AM
Well Daniel, I am glad you actually read what people say - good and bad! I am also glad you had a great weekend and the blog was great!
Posted by: CAM | March 30, 2009 10:32 AM
but if she was connected to charlotte -ben would most likely know and wouldn't have shot her...
ugh i'm stumped on the charlotte and annie connection. miles has to be baby change tho. he had the nosebleeds and we haven't seen other asians on the island that i can recollect.
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 10:33 AM
i'm going to preface this by saying i don't THINK annie and kate are the same person, but there are just so many similarities...
kate's middle name is annie, and she has used it as an alias. kate remembered the apollo bars when she saw them in the hatch, annie gave an apollo bar to ben when he got to the island. annie LOOKS like a little kate, with the brown hair and freckles. we're starting to think that all the people that flashed back to '77 may have past ties with the island...
NOW i'm going to say that there's no way annie and kate are the same person, because you would think kate would remember that and it would influence her actions much differently. i just think the similarities are interesting.
Posted by: cammies | March 30, 2009 10:34 AM
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Annie
picture of little annie
Posted by: cammies | March 30, 2009 10:35 AM
From Wikipedia:
Jack Cover, a NASA researcher, began developing the Taser in 1969.[10] By 1974, Cover had completed the device, which he named for his childhood hero Tom Swift. The Taser Public Defender used cordite as its propellant, which led the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms to classify it as a firearm in 1976.[8][11]
Posted by: CAM | March 30, 2009 10:41 AM
I'm thinking maybe Eloise's smug smile about not having everyone there at the Lampost and then she says "it will have to do" is b/c she knows everything was going to get all crazy when they got back to the island (like jack,kate and hurley traveling back to the 60s, Arija air people getting hurt stuck on the other island, and Sun and Lapiduis being the creep maybe post Purge DI compound) and she's prob on Whitmore's side, so she just let them get back to the island all wonky so Ben is stuck on the wrong island and gets delayed andbuys Whitmore some time?? (i dont think BEN durning the wheel doesn't make him not allowed back to the island - he seems too special, i think he just said that crap to Whitmore.. but i think other people turning the wheel will make them not able to come back like Whitmore)
Posted by: isadora fiend | March 30, 2009 10:49 AM
i meant 70's!!!! im on ma lunch break at work.. gotta go abck. sorry, 70's!
Posted by: isadora fiend | March 30, 2009 10:49 AM
-- There was something that Damon Lindelof said that I thought summed up "Lost" perfectly and, to be quite honest, gave me goosebumps. Someone asked the panel if the writers ever wrote themselves into a situation they then realized they couldn't get out of. Damon answered, "Sometimes when we back ourselves into a corner, we just walk up the side of the wall." Wow.
I think this alone is worth waiting for the blog until Monday... these guys are amazingly talented. Break the box, crush it I say!
Posted by: CAM | March 30, 2009 10:50 AM
It's okay Daniel. Still love you, was never mad. Happy it's up now!!!!! <3
Posted by: lovesteamykeamy | March 30, 2009 11:00 AM
Daniel don't let the haters get to you. Life and death gets in the way of fun stuff. I don't know when I'll watch Lost this week. I have a wake and funeral Weds and Thurs, and friends staying at my house, so even if I got home early enough on Weds to watch, it wouldn't be the same with them there...they don't watch. My hub is a week behind too, so we might just have to do a marathon after all is done on Thursday.
Posted by: LostLover | March 30, 2009 11:03 AM
Ok Daniel, to give an episode devoted mostly to Sayid a "D" hurts me to the quick. I know all the women are in love with Sawyer, yeah he is sexy and all. But Sayid is to die for. Everytime I see his face and that body, OMG doesnt matter what the writers have him do. just let him do it. (little Sayid was dorky".
Back to the story: Ben was shot!!!! Ben was shot!!! doesnt matter if he is dead or not. How many times has someone had a gone to his face and he talked them out of pulling the trigger. I think I have yelled 'Shoot-em!!!" over the last few years more thatn I 've pined over Sayid. The mere fact that FINALLY....... someone shot Ben/henry Gale is enough to rate at least a B. I give it an A, cause Sayid did it.
As far as what did we learn, or are we any closer to understanding what the hell is going on on this show, no we are all still 'lost". but "ben was shot!!!!!" Can't get any better than that.
Posted by: Teri | March 30, 2009 11:07 AM
@Teri - Sayid is certainly "to die for", in fact I am sure he would love to do the honors ;)
Posted by: CAM | March 30, 2009 11:11 AM
LOL @ Cam
Posted by: Teri | March 30, 2009 11:15 AM
I think the most important thing learned was...Ben knew that he could never be killed, that's why he has always been so smug. (he will remember his childhood-and Sayid shooting him)
As stated above, how many times has he faced danger and smiled that wicked-knowing smile, he can-not die!!
@ least not until Jacob/Island is done with him.
And Daniel-I loved Ben in the creepy black spy hat!!!
Posted by: Tootsie | March 30, 2009 11:16 AM
Okay read it. Loved it as always. And here's the question I've been meaning to ask, when will Annie pop up. I mean, we should have seen her at least once, seeing as we're in Dharma times. I want answers about her.
And yeah, I so agree, little Ben is just plain creepy.
Posted by: lovesteamykeamy | March 30, 2009 11:17 AM
Okay read it. Loved it as always. And here's the question I've been meaning to ask, when will Annie pop up. I mean, we should have seen her at least once, seeing as we're in Dharma times. I want answers about her.
And yeah, I so agree, little Ben is just plain creepy.
Posted by: lovesteamykeamy | March 30, 2009 11:17 AM
Okay read it. Loved it as always. And here's the question I've been meaning to ask, when will Annie pop up. I mean, we should have seen her at least once, seeing as we're in Dharma times. I want answers about her.
And yeah, I so agree, little Ben is just plain creepy.
Posted by: lovesteamykeamy | March 30, 2009 11:18 AM
Oops, sorry, something weird happened. My computer has been acting funky since I got the hardrive replaced. I think my mousepad (which now acts as a clicker, and annoys me) clicked it twice. Sorry!
Posted by: lovesteamykeamy | March 30, 2009 11:19 AM
I always watch the night the show airs at the time it airs.
(mostly because I dont have a DVR and because my computer is messed up and wont play the episodes on abc.com)
So take that Danny Boy : )
Posted by: Ilovelost | March 30, 2009 11:47 AM
thanks CAM!! i was going to look some of that stuff up but chased a toddler around instead.
so dharma was new on the taser technology.
all the cool toys for the dharma gang
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 11:47 AM
Cammies and victoria - regarding Juliet's OB/GYN doctoring abilities to take care of bullet removal or emergency surgery - doctors in training learn that stuff in med school/internships, regardless of their eventual specialties. Even doctors that go on to be opthamalogists, for example, have had to do emergency room duty and treat all kinds of traumatic bodily injuries in their internships before they go on to be eye surgeons. Sorry if I'm being a know-it-all.
Posted by: owchie | March 30, 2009 11:59 AM
"I Can't Give You Anything but Love, Baby" Jimmy McHugh (music)
Dorothy Fields (lyrics) "He's Our You" Playing on Oldham's Record player.
can't give you anything but love, Baby,
That's the only thing I've plenty of, Baby.
Dream awhile, scheme awhile, We're sure to find,
Happiness, and I guess, All those things you've always pined for.
Gee, I'd like to see you looking swell, Baby,
Diamond bracelets Woolworth doesn't sell, Baby.
Till that lucky day, you know darned well, Baby,
I can't give you anything but love.
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 12:13 PM
owchie-
yay! Now I am not the only "know it all" on here!
Posted by: CAM | March 30, 2009 12:18 PM
i figured if ben took out sayid's bullet - didn't he pull it out in a past episode? that surely juliet would be able to do so if jackie boy doesn't want to save ben a second time. i thought he took an oath? :)
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 12:18 PM
i am onlyl a +know it some+
:)
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 12:19 PM
oaths don't mean nothin on the island! haha
Posted by: CAM | March 30, 2009 12:20 PM
I personally love the 'know-it-alls' as I always learn something new from them. And, Teri, I must say....you have impeccable taste as Sayid has been and will continue to be the hottest 815-er/handcuffed 316-er/alleged Hostile on that island...bar none! IMO, he and Richard can band together and form the Hot Hostiles Association...I would be completely down with that!!
Posted by: MicheleD | March 30, 2009 12:22 PM
the HHA! I would like to order 2 calendars please! :)
Posted by: CAM | March 30, 2009 12:28 PM
Hey daniel.
Screw the haters,you have a life and do this ish for free. Just tell them we parties like it was "1999". I attended the first concert. Which of the 3 did u like best.
Posted by: Lost in la | March 30, 2009 12:34 PM
i loooooooove dirty sweaty island sayid, but i am NOT a fan of his off-island grooming habits. when he is killing people for ben and his hair is all striaght and it looks like he curled the ends with a curling iron, yuck. doesn't suit him. in fact, i prefer the dirty sweaty island versions of all the men (and women too!)
Posted by: cammies | March 30, 2009 12:36 PM
Juliet is a surgeon / OBGYN since she did the C-section and took out Jack's appendix so she could help on L'il Ben
Also---I liked Ben in the "spy" outfit in Russia funny
Posted by: BB | March 30, 2009 12:37 PM
Sayid decked in his assassin black....gotta love it.
Posted by: MicheleD | March 30, 2009 12:38 PM
But I will say that Richard wears it ALL well...Black Rock chic, 1950's mad men style, or others' camp couture - and all go well with his smoldering eyes.
Posted by: MicheleD | March 30, 2009 12:42 PM
Ok- first off, don't worry about the haters, they are just Prince jealous cuz I know I am!!! In the words of Napoleon Dynamite....Lucky!
Ben can't be dead, I think this is when Ben "realizes" the island has special powers but the questions is who saves him, Jack or Juliet?? Interesting indeed. Also, DUDE this episode gets at least a B because it was Sayid!! The thought that Ben hired the Bounty hunter is interesting and I have a feeling that may turn out to be the case. Here is my question...Why did Jin call Sawyer and did anyone else think it was odd that Jin was so insistent about calling Sawyer??? Sayid and Sawyer are awesome, can someone just shoot crybaby Jack now?? And where is Faraday?
Posted by: Samma | March 30, 2009 12:43 PM
@Lost in la -- probably the first. Sometimes I like a bigger show just to watch the crowd. The 2nd show was great too. The 3rd sucked for most of it, then was great for the last 5 songs.
Posted by: Daniel | March 30, 2009 12:43 PM
@Daniel - Welcome back! Your unsupervised children were squabbling - let it be. As for who hired the bounty hunter, I don't think it was Ben, he seemed to surprised to see Sayid on the plane. I think she was hired by Eloise!
Posted by: perdido | March 30, 2009 12:47 PM
Sorry - that should have been "too surprised", my fingers are too slow!
Posted by: perdido | March 30, 2009 12:49 PM
thanks for caring about us daniel. we really do appreciate the forum and the connection it brings to us. i myself had little red corvette the 45. oooh dated myself there. flip side was rasperry beret maybe? i loved that video.
plus i love dave chappelle as prince playing basketball in heels!
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 12:49 PM
I think a grade of "D" is way off!
The line: "A 12 year old Ben Linus just gave me a chicken sandwich--how do you think I am doing?" is enough to bring it up to a "B"
PLUS -- Sayid and the whiskey, Sayid under the influence of the "truth" serom, and and Sayid shooting Little Ben
B+ just on these facts alone! LOL
Posted by: BB | March 30, 2009 12:49 PM
@Victoria - I got the Purple Rain album (yes, vinyl) for my 16th birthday, so I'm right there with ya!
Posted by: perdido | March 30, 2009 12:51 PM
lol @ Hot Hostiles Association. Sounds good to me! ;)
Posted by: lovesteamykeamy | March 30, 2009 12:53 PM
i don't know if i would describe Ben as surprised
he goes from semi smile to the flight attendants to dead pan - like he is giving sayid a message like - told you that you would be here.
it was more the bounty hunter's reaction to him questioning her about being hired by ben linus. unless ben had someone hire her which is not outside of his realm. IMO
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 12:54 PM
i was very jealous that my bro got into see purple rain (rated R) he wasn't 17 but got in anyway. i got denied and had to wait to see it on video. he went to see it like 3 times i think.
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 12:56 PM
i think jin prolly called sawyer just out of habit - they have been together for 3 years and fall into patterns. check in with LaFleur is prolly just second nature. i wonder in the beginning how many times they slipped and called him sawyer.
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 01:00 PM
like a friend of my husband growing up changed his name and he could never get used to the change and will slip and call him his original name
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 01:01 PM
Welcome back!
And prince owes you a guitar.
Posted by: jillybeans | March 30, 2009 01:09 PM
Sayid told Jin that Sawyer had helped him escape, so Jin probably thought that he was just keeping Sawyer in the loop, but it did seem a little weird. Could be because Jin knew that Sawyer DID NOT help with the escape, so he thought something was up. Either way, he got cold-cocked.
Posted by: okey dokey | March 30, 2009 01:09 PM
@ Victoria: the song lyrics...I laughed when I read the line "Diamond braceletes Woolworth doesn't sell"
I remember Woolworth stores..they were like the Super Wallmarts of our time-LOL
Could'nt wait to get a new pair of Hash blue jeanes there.
Posted by: Tootsie | March 30, 2009 01:12 PM
We know that Ethan survives the purge, and I bet Amy does too.Otherwise I don't really see Ethan being able to be a loyal Ben follower if Ben had killed Ethan's mom. So, I definitely think that there is more to Amy than meets the eye.
Posted by: okey dokey | March 30, 2009 01:14 PM
I dont care when you get to post this blog-I look forawrd to it regardless whether it's the day after or the week after! :) Thanks for taking the time to do this! I agree-episode was a definite D, especially given the fact that little Ben likely doesnt die. I also don't like this conflicted, weirdo version of Sayid.
Posted by: Jax | March 30, 2009 01:15 PM
I must respectfully disagree with the person who said Sayid is not hot off-island. While I agree he is hotter on-island, I also feel he is VERY hot off-island. I love the straight hair and leather jacket it makes him look more dangerous!
Posted by: Sahara | March 30, 2009 01:39 PM
I have to agree with the posters on this forum... you seem to have lost your "spark" with Lost. It's like a stale marriage. I'm sorry that Lost has let you down. Personally, I think this season is fantastic, and I really liked this episode. You seem to be focused mainly on the plot versus the characters as well. Here's to hoping this Wendesday's episode gets you all fired up again.
Posted by: Dave E | March 30, 2009 01:40 PM
Daniel,
A big thanks to you and all of the Lost bloggers for making our Lost experience better than just watching the show.
Sucks about the guitar....maybe he could take you on a ride on his motorcycle to make up for it. You could be his Appollonia, and give him one of your hoop earrings to wear. Daniel, let's do the "I would Die 4 U" dance together before the next episode airs...
Posted by: sandra | March 30, 2009 01:44 PM
Dan, we don't hate you. Thanks for coming back. Those writers seem like a hoot, pretty smart & very imaginative too.
Posted by: smirfytyme | March 30, 2009 01:45 PM
I'm not sure why Dan automatically assumes Ben is dead. Ya' never know with this show. Even if he does die initially, he has to come back to life, in order to grow up to be big evil Ben.
Posted by: smirfytyme | March 30, 2009 01:47 PM
Holy crap - with all these comments you'll never get to mine, but I will chime in with the "Don't Sweat It". I love what you do for this confused Lostie, and I appreciate that you do it at all! You rock!!
Posted by: Beth | March 30, 2009 02:16 PM
i used to get embroidery floss to make friendship bracelets at woolworth.
i think sayid is hot both on and off island.
i was thinking while watching. it seems like bounty hunter woman looked kind of like Nadia to a certain extent. it seems she would be chosen by ben to manipulate sayid (he knows his type - tho shannon didn't fit it) and ben had her on backup so if sayid didn't agree to go back that he had her on standby tho hired by someone else posing as the family of the guy on the golf course.
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 02:19 PM
For the record, I have seen every single Lost when it originally aired.
Posted by: Denise | March 30, 2009 03:25 PM
Daniel, welcome back. I've time-shifted Lost many times. What's Lost without some time shifting, after all. FLASH.
Sawyer? Feh. Esp now that he's domesticated. Sayid is indeed the hottest of the 815-ers. Still have a soft spot for the missing Faraday, though.
Posted by: letsnotsay | March 30, 2009 03:34 PM
Don't listen to the angry folks, the rest of us really dig your recap.
Posted by: I am not lost... | March 30, 2009 03:37 PM
Boy have I missed my Lost Diary fix... but as soon as I saw that awesome Prince video you posted, I got over it, Dude! That was just about one of the coolest things ever!! True Prince fans completely understand! Glad you're back; I agree, this episode wasn't all that, but shooting Little Ben was a shocker. Here's my thoughts... he doesn't die - Julianne saves him and therefore, history doesn't change.
Posted by: Mollie | March 30, 2009 03:48 PM
for the record - paisley park was my favorite album. waited in the parking lot for the release. cassette - wow that dates me! agree with the "D" only the last few minutes saved this episode. i think the title of the upcoming epi is telling - what happened - happened and happened before.
Posted by: i'm lost | March 30, 2009 03:48 PM
Hurray !! Daniel is back. We missed you, appreciate you and thank you for your witty take on the LOST episodes.
Posted by: lost in virginia | March 30, 2009 03:51 PM
Rewatch:
- It seems Sayid needs a purpose in life and in this episode his purpose revolves around killing and being a killer
- when Horace brought in the clippers, I was wishing he would cut Sayid’s nasty long finger nails!!
- I don’t get why Juliet and Sawyer are content with settling in the 70’s, making the best of the situation?
- Phil is a creepy idiot.
- On one hand I want Sayid to just join them, on the other – I totally get why he is resisting settling into that life
- and now his purpose is apparently building homes for other people, way better than killing people, wonder how he got to this place in his life
- I am not sure completely I agree with Daniel on this, I don’t think he likes killing all people, just the bad ones
- Sayid coulda taken Phil and Radzinsky easily, that was a flawed scene
- Sayid drinks with his pinky in the air, how debonair. I guess you gotta be when you drink the expensive stuff :)
- these people remember their flight numbers really well, I never remember my flight numbers
- Something is up with Amy, but I honestly think that in this scene she is just s protective mother who had lost her first husband to the “hostiles”
- Sayid’s 2 loves: women and murder
- Again, Sayid needs purpose and on the island it has to do with Murder: Ben’s murder
- I love Sawyer as a leader, it looks good on him, He has come a long way since first crashing on the island as a selfish con man
- I don’t think bounty hunter lady is privy to the ultimate plan for that plane
I just have to say: I really like the actor they hired to play young Ben. As evil a character as Ben is, they needed a kid that could be both the evil in training Ben and the kid you feel bad for.
Posted by: CAM | March 30, 2009 03:54 PM
THANK YOU! Love the blog - keep it going - bump the haters :)
Posted by: Heather M AKA Merrihands | March 30, 2009 03:56 PM
i think a D is a little harsh. like if you get a D in your major in college it doesn't count toward your major...
the scenes between sayid and ben both big and little were excellent and well acted. even the smaller scenes were very well done and had small reveals. i agree nothing big was divulged until lil ben was shot and there was no locke so that is disappointing but the sayid on LSD was a classic and i think everyone needs to rewatch to appreciate it.
so do we think ben killed nadia? i wish i didn't think so but...who am i kidding. we have no proof that widmore has killed anyone - he just had the guy from ben's team roughed up?? that we saw on tape.
faraday has to be off time travelling somehow. do we know when the orchid was constructed? CAM?
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 04:08 PM
Letsnotsay - About Faraday - I'm worried about him. Getting a bad feeling that his character is now but a pathetic brain-addled version of his former intelligent, scientific self, muddling about who knows where. Either that or he somehow managed to flash to another time and is up to who knows what. I really want to know what happened to him.
Posted by: owchie | March 30, 2009 04:16 PM
I thought it was odd that Horace and others didn't think or say really anything about Sayid knowing the names of the stations while he was "under". They just kinda blew it off as he had too much, yet he was right about it all.
Posted by: Carol | March 30, 2009 04:17 PM
I also think Faraday left the island on one of the subs.
Posted by: Carol | March 30, 2009 04:18 PM
I also think Faraday left the island on one of the subs. Which will bring us to see him sitting in front of the tv crying, watching the news of the Oceanic crash.
Posted by: Carol | March 30, 2009 04:20 PM
if he left on a sub then why wouldn't sawyer say that? he just said dan wasn't there anymore...
it seems like he has to be time travelling explaining his presence in the orchid during construction...
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 04:28 PM
Victoria - Yes, more time traveling for Faraday would be appropriate. About those "subs". Don't you think that the subs are a ruse - like a cover up for how people really are transported by the DI from the rest of the world to the island and visa versa? People are sedated, transported and then lead to believe they were traveling on the sub. I think they had a sub as a prop but that people were transported via another means - like one of those time/space holes accessible via the Lamp Post or something. I know this has been mentioned before and I totally buy into it.
Posted by: owchie | March 30, 2009 04:39 PM
i think the sub works...
how else would tom have traveled to see Michael. and to recruit juliet etc. i think they have to be sedated due to the roughness on the way there ie the plane, the copter, boats being smacked around on the way there. obviously someone has to pilot but if you aren't prepared it would be pretty alarming. i think the talk about it being a ruse was to throw people off guard...
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 04:58 PM
Space Monkey, and anyone else w/ Spoiler site to share: Please tell me some good spoiler sites. I know you (Space Monkey) vowed to resist sharing your spoilers. However, I am asking nicely and lately I seek but get no real satisfaction. Someone mentioned a site that reveals what happens at the show's end and I don't remember who posted it. They did say that they were kind of bummed about having read it and didn't much like it. That makes me really want to read it now! I am lazy and shamelessly want to tag onto what you have already researched. Thanks in advance.
Posted by: owchie | March 30, 2009 05:04 PM
Daniel, I have to agree with many of the posts...We appreciate you doing this. You do have a life. And maybe we get a little too excited to read your blog so we miss you when we are busy living life!! I think "D" was harsh, as well. I am a huge Sayid fan so all the Sayid made it great for me. The mid-length leather jacket?? Man, he looked hot! And his line about the chicken sandwich and little Ben! Priceless. Keep up the good work! We love you!
Posted by: Gina Tilton | March 30, 2009 05:14 PM
@ owchie: the spoiler site I check most {and sometimes wish I had'nt is Dark UFO}..but if you just google "Lost" you can come up w/hundreds of options..just have to check them out..if you dare! LOL
I posted way=way earlier that I did'nt think Ben could die (that's why he is so smug)..I thought sure someone would challenge me on this???
I think he remembers re-living his past? (and that a personal feeling, not based on any spoliers I may have read)
If someone has read anything..please share!!!! w/a link of course-LOL
Posted by: Tootsie | March 30, 2009 05:26 PM
yo, daniel. a D? please. did we watch the same episode? it answered many questions and provided a wonderful character piece on sayid and sawyer. not to mention the sheel lusciousness of more ben.
on a personal note, your "apology" came accross so disingenuos and arrogant. why not just say early on "hey, guys, no blog this week" and finish? you sound like a putz. and since when did this blog become about you? who cares about your forays into princeland?
and for you all that read this, there are more truly interesting sites out there on lost, including one very good one on entertainment weekly's website, of all places.
Posted by: bundle | March 30, 2009 05:38 PM
bundle - if you don't like it then you can leave and go to your entertainment weekly site. It's ridiculous that you feel the need to even read or post here if that is what you are going to post.
re: The Orchid; we do not know when it was built, I am assuming the 70's since we see Dr. Chang the same age that we see him later checking Jack into DI, also Daniel is there which I assume is in the 3 years from 1974-1977.
Posted by: CAM | March 30, 2009 06:05 PM
Tootsie, I agree, Ben learned that he couldn't die from Sayid shooting him.
After that, he always knew the island wouldn't let him die. (Smug Face)
and he probably remembers Juliette as the doctor who saves him. (or else he'd be all gaga over Jack. ha!
Posted by: suzie | March 30, 2009 06:18 PM
This is my first time posting, but I have been reading this for the last year. Maybe longer. Anyway not sure if Ben will die right away, but I do think he might die this season. I think it's about "Good vs Evil" and Ben is evil. I think that Locke is probably the true leader of the island and is considered a good guy. The island knows Locke is the good guy.
Posted by: The Orchid | March 30, 2009 06:21 PM
thanks CAM. i went to lostpedia and did a little research and didn't find anything specific either. i may go and rewatch the epi with daniel down the hold with chang and see if there are any signs of what year (like songs being played or whatnot) maybe the scene when chang is getting up out of bed etc. maybe if we compute how old miles is (since i believe the baby must be miles at this point) and count backward...we would get the year....hmm just a thought.
if i didn't have to play tooth fairy and nurse a baby i could accomplish more LOST tasks. sigh ;)
ps bundle. just get lost
hee hee
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 06:21 PM
i still want to know what that crazy soot - dust weird whatever it is around jacob's cabin. that has to have some significance to it as well.
any theories?
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 06:26 PM
Hey all of you!!!
Why does'nt everyone lay off everyone!!
It's a free county and everyone is entitled to their own opinions!! {whether U like it or not}
I think Daniel is a big boy and can handle criticism. He works for TMZ..for Christs sake!!!
Everytime someone says somthing against him or that you personally don't like..all hell breaks out on here..
Can't you see that "YOU" are feeding into the shark frenzy!
Yes there are a lot more sites out there to read, but if "ANYONE" wants to read this one..who are you..to tell them they can't or can not voice their opinions!
I've been reading this blog since it started on TMZ and Daniel started it on here, and this "thing' has gotten out of hand!
There are definate people who think they "own" it and make their rules like dictators and what not..well guess what..you don't own it, and it's not up to you!!
No wonder this world is in the state it is, people can't even get along on a blog about a tv show, that in a few years will be a distant memory!
Un..freaking..believable!!!!
If Daniel wants to police this thing more, it would be like other blogs where you could report someone..boy would'nt some of you have some fun then!
Posted by: LayOff Anon's | March 30, 2009 06:48 PM
yawn
anyway
so i was thinking it really is as if the lost crew took all of your favorite shows and wrapped them into one by incorporating all the interesting elements of each show and attempting to find a place for them within lost
tho i agree with layoff for the most part...just practice what you preach is all i say. my philosophy is if you don't "like" it then look away. again people would rather be praised than punished but would rather be punished than ignored. so take it as you choose...
back to lost thoughts...
returning to sawyer and his rant to kate about *purpose* and sayid giving him an earful of crap about his...
isn't it ironic that coming from sawyer's character for until he killed the "real" sawyer - locke's "dad" -he only had one purpose....
oh psych 101...you always get maddest about things that you are the most guilty.
oh snap i hate when i am right. feel free to prove me wrong
and for the conflict on the blog. it is just like how it is on lost. sometimes you agree and sometimes you don't and when you don't you just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that. except on lost they get to kill people with no or little reprecussion
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 07:09 PM
@bundle:
BEAT IT!! If you don't like it, don't read it. It's his blog, so I guess he can make it about whatever he wants.
I don't mind when you post...we all have lives. I must say though, I do agree that you seem to have lost the spark. I still like the recaps, or I wouldn't show up everyweek, but the analysis is definitely not as on target. There's rarely mention of any of the "little" things that most people miss or connecting the dots from previous epis. I miss the old Daniel posts too.
Posted by: hempest | March 30, 2009 07:12 PM
oh yeah and for those that are interested there is a facebook group that is more discussion and less conflict oriented. just search the lost diary
just send a request to ssarah if you are interested.
i dont buy into the perspective that there are individuals that feel that they own anything. they have a zeal for their perspective (ooh redirecting back to that again) and sometimes they have blinders on when it comes to that.
that it is perceived as ownership again reflects back upon the person that sees it that way. that is part of the message that is attempted to be communicated by the lost gang. IMO of course
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 07:13 PM
i post on both but see that this reaches a wider audience and my opinion is the more brains that are working together feed the project immensely. i am sure the writers read various blogs etc to gather data and use to assist their cause. it is only natural in order for them to walk up the wall...
am i making any sense here? i talk to a 17 month old most of the day so sometimes i wonder...
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 07:15 PM
"yawn
anyway: tho i agree with layoff for the most part...just practice what you preach is all i say. my philosophy is if you don't "like" it then look away. again people would rather be praised than punished but would rather be punished than ignored. so take it as you choose...
back to lost thoughts..."
By Victoria: 4:09 PM
I rest my case!!!!
Posted by: LayOff Anon's | March 30, 2009 07:17 PM
Wow, I really am out of it. I just signed up to join a facebook group named after my own site ... that I didn't even know about. I am going to have cut back on some other shit and step up my "Lost" game.
Posted by: Daniel | March 30, 2009 07:19 PM
daniel
you are obviously a busy guy with a lot of opportunities that are being given to you
embrace and experience all of them and don't allow yourself to feel conflicted about it. you birthed a heck of a "baby" here and you are allowed to have your own life. now if there are things that you feel are wasting that time - your choice but from my perspective you have some cool shit to attend to and you grab it by the horns because you don't know how long it will last. just fill us in from time to time and do your best to give the attention to the epi at hand and i think for the most part you will have the appreciation of the masses.
you can never make everyone happy or be informed about everything. delegation is life is key from my point of view althought individuals pride keeps them from being successful in that realm.
wowsers that was a lot of deepitude - i told you about hanging with toddlers that just say yeah and no - we are working on the rest.
we would welcome you with open arms in the FB group.
peace
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 07:27 PM
daniel
you are obviously a busy guy with a lot of opportunities that are being given to you
embrace and experience all of them and don't allow yourself to feel conflicted about it. you birthed a heck of a "baby" here and you are allowed to have your own life. now if there are things that you feel are wasting that time - your choice but from my perspective you have some cool shit to attend to and you grab it by the horns because you don't know how long it will last. just fill us in from time to time and do your best to give the attention to the epi at hand and i think for the most part you will have the appreciation of the masses.
you can never make everyone happy or be informed about everything. delegation is life is key from my point of view althought individuals pride keeps them from being successful in that realm.
wowsers that was a lot of deepitude - i told you about hanging with toddlers that just say yeah and no - we are working on the rest.
we would welcome you with open arms in the FB group.
peace
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 07:30 PM
layoff
if you think i think i own anything - that is humorous
i only solicite opinions from others about my ideas -
merely that
i could care less about anything other than ...
where does annie fall in all of this?
what is the deal with smokey? it is obviously some sort of judging device - which is like this blog sometimes but what the hey.
the 4 toed statue. i mean ok so the "hostiles" are ancient and all that but cmon give me a little more
jacob's ladder? no one has answered me on that? is it connected?
juliet tells jack she doesn't need saving... interesting considered how desperate she was to get off the island - but what is she to do? show up at her sister/parents door like hey....im juliet too...
so the losties are on lockdown/house arrest.. i assume they don't have those anklet bracelet thingys there so who is going to keep kate from sneaky out? i mean please. you know you can't tell that girl to do anything without her doing the opposite. i could be wrong. maybe she's changed!
Posted by: Victoria | March 30, 2009 07:36 PM
YAY!!!
Daniel's back!!! I got my fix, life is good!!!
THANK YOU!!!
Posted by: Bree | March 30, 2009 07:40 PM
Oh, and Daniel, although it was pure misery waiting for you to post your blog, I definitely think it's better for you to wait a day or two and give it your full attention than hurrying through it just to please the masses. The reason you have such a following is because you do such a great job - winging it will not cut it. I'm sure many will agree with me.
I'm the lonely Loster at home and look forward to your recaps and the postings; I would have missed so much of what's happening without everyone's observations.
Thanks again. I didn't know I was so addicted until you were gone for so long!
Posted by: Bree | March 30, 2009 07:57 PM
Thanks for the blog daniel..I have been reading it from the beginning but rarely post but I wanted to say please don't apologise for having a fun/exciting weekend..at least you return to fullfill our lost diary needs and that in the end is all that counts. I feel the same about this past weeks epi..I figured from the begiining Iknew where it was heading but still w/ that said my mouth did hang open when lil ben got shot..I am truly looking forward to seeing the consequences of that action and how it will be played out! ps. Prince so owes you a guitar! :) As always thanks for the blog
Posted by: sarah j | March 30, 2009 09:08 PM
just watched last weeks epi again. anyone catch that little ben said " i really hated him"? past tense when talking to sayid about his father?
Posted by: i'm lost | March 31, 2009 04:53 AM
@tootsie - I think little ben can die and big ben still be alive - I posted theories on the other blog. Basically, if it's parallel timelines - it can be both.
Also, if you still are inclined to believe you cannot return unless dead after turning the wheel or being a leader... then, big ben can now return, as his little self has died.
If Ben remembers that Sayid tried to kill him - I don't believe we would have seen the reaction we did on the Ajira flight. I think the shooting is a new twist - one that Ben didn't know cuz it's all about course correction.
So while Ben is 'all knowing' I think he also has to learn as it plays out each time.
JMO
Posted by: fanolost | March 31, 2009 05:01 AM
@ i'm lost | March 31, 2009 04:53 AM
It did sound like little Ben said "I hated him", but if you watch with closed captioning he says, "I hate it here"
Posted by: CAM | March 31, 2009 05:37 AM
Did you hear the mention of the story about the guitar on Howard Stern yesterday? You've hit the big time. :)
Posted by: Jeff | March 31, 2009 05:37 AM
@ Orchid posting at 6:21pm yesterday. "...not sure if Ben will die right away, but I do think he might die this season. I think it's about "Good vs Evil" and Ben is evil. I think that Locke is probably the true leader of the island and is considered a good guy. The island knows Locke is the good guy."
I am sorry I missed your post last night. I couldn't disagree more (respectfully for sure) and am curious about why you feel that way. If anything, I believe LOST presents the stories of many people who live their lives "beyond good and evil". Having seen Ben's back story (abusive father, etc) how is he more "evil" and Locke more "good" when both them are cold blooded murderers? Why forgive Locke for his transgressions and not Ben? In fact, everyone of the main characters, including Hurley, have killed people as an end to some mean (okay, in Hurley's case accidental, but everyone else there is motive and intent in their actions.) I don't think you can have degrees of more evil or less evil in humans if you buy into humans being "evil". There is a pretty good argument that evil is just something created by mankind, that it really does not exist. Good or bad, sure, I am a good bowler or a bad bowler, but good and evil, don't know, don't think so. Anyone have any thoughts on this? It bugs me everytime I see someone get into that good/evil mindset and I want to understand. I am open to discussion here. I have brought this up before and no one has given me an answer.
Posted by: flashest monk | March 31, 2009 06:31 AM
@cam
thanks for clearing that up. my tv (very old) doesn't have closed captions. on list to do today - get new t.v.
Posted by: i'm lost | March 31, 2009 06:43 AM
F the haters! You're awesome! Keep it up!
Posted by: Claire | March 31, 2009 06:45 AM
I used to LOVE this blog, but for whatever reason this season so many people on here are so mean and critical about everything and anything someone posts. I think everyone should try to make some time to attend one of Helen and Locke's anger management support group. I'll see if I can find the link. In the meantime....settle down everybody :)
Posted by: sandy | March 31, 2009 06:52 AM
@ flashest monk | March 31, 2009 06:31 AM
I couldn't agree with you more. Now, I know not everyone here is religious and if you are, not everyone is Christian. But if you look at the varying degrees of "evil" in the eyes of God from the christian standpoint - there are no "degrees" good is good and evil is evil. There is also redemption in the christian faith.
I agree - no one on this show is "good" because they have all resorted to some sort of evil behavior. I don't think this show is about the war between good and evil but rather between 2 evils who want complete control.
That being said, I also think that some of the characters are looking for redemption - like Sawyer. It seems that his journey has been to "make right" the wrongs that he has done in vengeance.
Posted by: CAM | March 31, 2009 07:00 AM
@ssarah, this is were you would jump in with will to power and perspective of life, I am lobbing you a big old softball here. (You are probably at class and I have run myself).
Any one interested in Lost murders try this link on Lostpedia
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Murder#Main_cast_kill_count
Even the "good doctor" is guilty, having violated his hypocratic oath and euthanized the marshall (forgot about Hurleys kill with a Dharma van on an Other.)
Posted by: flashest monk | March 31, 2009 07:04 AM
@flashest monk - it's the same as black and white - good and evil. And reality and humanness are just not that simple.
As I've said many times before, the actions of the Lost characters do not make them a noble lot - but it is how the writers get us to care that makes this show fabulous - at least for me.
That said, I honestly do not believe in 'evil' except as a true exception that comes from a verra dark place and is not human.
Having said this - I do not believe any of the characters are 'evil.' Some of their deeds maybe interpreted by human standards as evil - but that they, body and soul, are evil? No. Their free will offers them a myriad of choices - and some of their choices have been poor.
I, for one, can feel for someone who kills to save someone else, more easily than feeling for someone who chose to kill to get them out of a fix (like a burglary gone wrong). But in both instances, the acts are the same, though done for different reasons.
I also believe one does not become inherently bad simply because of an abusive background. There is choice made to become that. Ben chose to become a murderer etc. His father did not CAUSE it. His mother did not CAUSE it. Ben chose to have their actions affect him in a negative manner.
Now might there be something so dark and otherworldly that it may be evil on the island? Possibly. Smokie seems to be a conscious being...
I got pulled into a meeting so this may not make sense... I'll restate Flashest Monk if need be.
Posted by: fanolost | March 31, 2009 07:11 AM
@CAM- I totally agree about redemption. Big theme on lost, especially in the first couple of seasons with all the flashbacks, Mr Eko, Ana Lucia, etc. Would Ben be more sympathetic if he eventually seeks redemption.
I'm not sure I agree with the two evils theory (Widmore vs Ben I assume you mean) because its no different then everyone (take Locke for example) taking questionable actions toward an end or goal. This is were the will to power concept comes in, this would be the argument for their doing what they are doing to realize their values or goals. Regarding Sawyer and vengenance, if you excuse that in the name of redemption, then you have to excuse Ben for acts related to Alex's death and Sayid for acts related to Nadia's death.
Posted by: flashest monk | March 31, 2009 07:12 AM
I love how you use the weirdest pics of Young Ben.
Posted by: Jill | March 31, 2009 07:13 AM
Forget all the negative comments....hey life happens!
Thanks for the blog.
Posted by: MelissaS | March 31, 2009 07:16 AM
They gave Sayid liquid acid in a sugar cube thinking it's truth syrum. And then Sayid started tripping his butt off! C'mon man, do you NOT remember the Vietnam war?? :)
Posted by: Alyssa | March 31, 2009 07:21 AM
@cam and flashest monk - I've pondered the theory that these characters are here now to correct the actions of their forebearers. I'm not sure if I characterized it as redemption - or correcting.
Perhaps on-island affairs have been askew for quite some time - and course correcting is an ongoing undoing/repair through generations.
I'm not sure the point of Lost is to redeem and forgive the heinous actions - but to resolve what has been not right.
But I will say again, to provide this level of discussion, and the compassion we all feel at one point or another for these flawed characters - is a tribute to the Lost writers.
Posted by: fanolost | March 31, 2009 07:29 AM
OH, Daniel belongs to the same Facebook group that I do, now!! And he held Prince's guitar, which, by belonging to the same FB group, makes it almost like I held Prince's guitar. Wait til I tell my cat! That is so cool. Oh, and having you in the FB group is cool, too, Daniel.
owchie: I tend to Google "lost spoilers" and prowl around. If I find anything good, I will share with you (via link). I got busy and haven't had time to look, yet. Stupid life getting in the way of Losting.
I think you guys come up with some VERY interesting theories and ideas. I wonder sometimes if the writers put as much thought into aspects of the show as we do? Not being derogatory, just that they are busy focusing on big things, and Sayid's nail length or pinky raising might not be it. ((Or might be and I am an idiot!!) I love that, because now I will totally look at his hands to see his nails, probably get totally distracted by that, because I never noticed. And that, gentle readers, is why I love you. You notice things I never would. Thank you.
As Supreme Ruler I declare "Losting" to be a word, even if stupid spell check doesn't. So there!
Posted by: Spacemonkey | March 31, 2009 07:30 AM
@CAM and Fanolost and everyone else. One last thing and I have to run (keep posting- I will read your comments). I was re-reading Nietzche's beyond Good and Evil last night after Orchid's post. Nietzche really rags on the Christian "moralizing" and when he gets into Will to Power. He speaks to the role of philosophers and scholars and in a chapter "Peoples and Countries" really slams England. "They are not a philosopphical race- the English: Bacon represents an attack on the philosophical spirit generally, Hobbes, Hume and Locke, an abasement, and a depreciation of the idea of a "philosopher" for more than a century....What is lacking in England and has always been lacking...real power of intellect, real depth of intellectual perception, in short philosophy. It is characteristic of such an unphilosophical race to hold on firmly to Christianity-- the need its discipline for moralizing and humanizing."
Thought it was interesting that two of the English philosophers he slams are Hume (Desmond's name sake) and John Locke.
Be back this evening.
Posted by: flashest monk | March 31, 2009 07:30 AM
@Space Monk E. TOTALLY OFF TOPIC. (darn, now I'm really gonna be late.) Been wanting to catch up with you, I spoke to the old guys this weekend about letting you into the Order so that you could get one of our “cool” monk’s robes. I was able to work past the “girl” issue (quite frankly, some of the guys aren’t “too male”, if you get my meaning). They did have a problem with your having a husband, being a Supreme Ruler wannabe and not being into chores. That kind of blew your chances at taking the three solemn vows (poverty, chastity and obedience). It is quid pro quo, take those vows, and get a robe. Sorry. (I know some Buddhist monk, Chinese, not Tibetan but same color robes I believe. They are even more chauvanistic than the Roman C's, the women (nuns) do all the chores in their enclaves. Don't think you will have any luck there. Have you tried the Jedi's?)
Posted by: Anonymous | March 31, 2009 07:34 AM
oops, last anon post was me, obviously
Posted by: flashest monk | March 31, 2009 07:37 AM
Ben is like Harry Potter on meth,Sawyer is so like neutered ...then the Island Princess Kate came back... storm clouds a brewing Juliet..
Posted by: Ricky | March 31, 2009 07:41 AM
kind of a random comment...but i was just thinking how ben sent ethan to the 815er's camp when the plane first crashed. didn't ben tell someone that ethan was their (only) surgeon? why the heck would he send the only surgeon on a risky mission when he just discovered he'd need a tumor removed on his spine?? weird.
Posted by: cammies | March 31, 2009 07:58 AM
@ flashest monk - by evil v. evil, I don't necessarily mean Ben v. Widmore, rather I allude to this impending war that has been referred to a few times. I do not think that Sawyer's vengeance excuses any action on his part, just an explanation of his intent in the acts that he committed. Vengeance is never a good excuse for doing more harm to others.
@fanolost - I think you may be right about it not necessarily be about redemption as a whole for the show, but making right the mistakes of those who came before us. I think that is something we can all learn from. But I think the redemption of the individuals attributes to the "making right" of the whole, you know what I mean?
@ Spacemonkey - haha! I find no significance to the "pinky raising" and "long fingernails" - I just love to point out the character quirks that makes me love this show all the more.
Posted by: CAM | March 31, 2009 08:07 AM
Flash: I think I might be near poverty, I have two young children already, so chastity is a given, and obedience is a slam dunk, as I am always telling people what to do and they obey. (in my mind) Also, I am not married to the whole Supreme Ruler thing. I mean, it doesn't even PAY! (I know, I was shocked!) I think there is a much better future in being a monk. Or I guess I could go back to my simian roots. NASA has openings, right?
Thanks for trying. We will have to be like cousins or something, and I'll just keep my ratty old bathrobe. Crap.
Posted by: Spacemonkey | March 31, 2009 08:14 AM
i think about ethan going to the beach with ben it is always an issue of trust and loyalty. he obviously only trusted a few of his own people
remember about the girls down in the looking glass and everyone thought it was flooded/abandoned. so he only gives info on a need to know basis and most of the time he thinks you don't need to know.
with goodwin he just wanted him out of the way so there was a possibility of him dying so good opportunity to rid of competition for juliet.
so Ben figured out she had been on the island in the past and then later sent others to get her. richard and mittleos lab to recruit her for their infertility issue. who knows maybe ben made them all infertile to lure juliet there....wouldn't put it past him. ultimate manipulation
Posted by: Victoria | March 31, 2009 08:15 AM
CAM: But I didn't notice! I just think it's cool. This is like watching with a bunch of people, but not having to feed them or share a bathroom.
Posted by: Spacemonkey | March 31, 2009 08:19 AM
Victoria: wow, I hadn't really put any thought into Ben creating the infertility as a lure. Huge, but possible. (For Lost)
Posted by: Spacemonkey | March 31, 2009 08:22 AM
@spacemonkey- OFF TOPIC- one last thing (almost forgot and people always ask). Under the robe, boxers never briefs.
Also thanks for the confirmation on what I have always suspected about "lay" people, that its a misnomer (like jumbo shrimp?) I will be "losting" again this evening (I like that, only have to use it a couple of more times and it will be part of the vocabulary.)
Posted by: flashest monk | March 31, 2009 08:25 AM
flashest monk and Spacemonkey - LOL! you 2 are cracking me up.
Posted by: Jenn3 | March 31, 2009 08:40 AM
Owchie: I just hit Spoilerfix.com for their Lost stuff. VERY INTERESTING. Some is very spoilerish, so read at your own risk!! Some is old news, too. It's fun to read the old speculation and see how it really turned out. (Rumor: Tee pee type structure spotted near filming. The island got sent back in time and is inhabited by wild natives and crazy penguins! Truth : "Their" Sayid is a creepy old guy living in a wigwam in the woods, waiting for people to work on. see?))
Posted by: Spacemonkey | March 31, 2009 08:44 AM
Flashest: Losting can be our very own Truthiness!
Posted by: Spacemonkey | March 31, 2009 08:45 AM
Jorge Garcia may have cleared up the mystery woman in the background behind Sun a couple episodes. Here is the link
http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/03/mysteries-woman-cleared-up.html
Posted by: Jenn3 | March 31, 2009 08:56 AM
thanks jenn3 - it's what I thought... continuity...
Posted by: fanolost | March 31, 2009 09:07 AM
I love trying to figure everything out - does lil Ben die, what is up with Christian, and who the hell is Jacob anyway...
But truly, I'm along for the ride. I like being right and love being wrong with my theories.
Every episode of Lost is an A+ to me!
Posted by: TracyT | March 31, 2009 09:24 AM
SO....with all that is happening on LOST, how about some "old" things to clear up....
1) Why was WALT so special in the beginning, and now it seems like we may have seen the last of him??
2) ROSE and BERNARD --- Where/when are they??? They had been time traveling originally.
3) VINCENT --- Long time, no see, no barking. Thought he was important as well (according to the writers)
4) Loved seeing the 4-toed statue in its entirety --- when will we see the front of it?
5) Why did SUN and KATE leave their children so quickly to get back to the island? Where are the children??
Posted by: BB | March 31, 2009 10:05 AM
@Space Monk E. - as Flashest Monk has renamed you :) You are hysterical! Absolutely love your comments and hope you stay on as Supreme Leader, even if it doesn't pay.
Posted by: perdido | March 31, 2009 10:16 AM
LOL @ Space Monk E I agree w/perdido.
Kudos to ssarah for Daniel digging and joining FB blog. Wish I could access FB at work, but then again, would probably not get ANY work done.have hard enough time knowing this blog is waiting for me!
Posted by: LostLover | March 31, 2009 10:27 AM
I find it kind of interesting that fanolost has suddenly disappeared!
Posted by: zzz zzz zzz | March 31, 2009 10:31 AM
Ok, BIG Fan, but lately, your blogs have left me thinking...he just really doesn't want to do this anymore
Posted by: marie | March 31, 2009 10:38 AM
Ok forgive me if I have stated something already talked about (I havent seen anything like it yet) or if I'm stating something extremely obvious...for which I'll be totally embarrassed...but I've come up with an idea - I feel like I am putting puzzle peices together in my head.
Here are some 'facts' regarding Farraday and how I think they tie together:
- Farraday is not with the Dharma group, as Sawyer already mentioned (we dont know for sure if he is still on the island) BUT
- we saw in another episode that he was in the Orchid in the past when it was being built (we assume he is time travelling)
This quick flash of Farraday in the Orchid as it was being built is in a scene with Dr. Marvin Candle (or whatever his real name is)
-in the video for the Orchid Candle mentions a mysterious INCIDENT.
Perhaps Farraday leaves Sawyer and the others and travels back in time to try to destroy the swan or instigate 'the incident' whatever it may be, maybe in an attempt to alter time?
Thoughts?
Posted by: Kitz | March 31, 2009 11:17 AM
@BB....my theories/opinions
1. dunno about Walt. They don't bring him up at all anymore.
2. I think Rose/Benard are dead. They would of ran into someone by now. I think there will be a short recap on how they died in a further episode.
3. I think Vincent is around somewhere on the island. Possibly with the others? I think they will write him in reuniting with someone. A dog reunion always makes good tv
4. I think vincent will be on the face of the statue...haha...if he time traveled then maybe early settlers saw him then saw him disappear...a godlike quality?? you never know, it is lost.
Posted by: sandy | March 31, 2009 11:23 AM
5. I think sun's baby is just with her parents and Aaron is being used as a pawn right now. Ben probably told Kate that if she goes back to the island he will not hurt him or will guarantee him to stay safe.
Posted by: sandy | March 31, 2009 11:26 AM
@ Sandy: I think that the face on the statue will be RICHARD
Posted by: BB | March 31, 2009 11:31 AM
don't you think Sun could of been married again since getting off the island? and maybe her baby is left with her new hubby? i think it's odd that she only showed the baby pic to kate when clearly her child was about 3. i mean these folks were only on the island together 100 days. off the island 1000+. a lot could have changed.
Posted by: listy | March 31, 2009 11:31 AM
Here is a question...who is the next main character to die? My guess....Hurley...he doesn't do anything anymore besides say 'dude' all the time.
Posted by: sandy | March 31, 2009 11:34 AM
@ Kitz | March 31, 2009 11:17 AM
I like to think that Daniel is still on the island just a little off the grid from the rest of the time traveling losties who settled into dharmaville life. I think that his visit to the orchid was a part of this time flash they are stuck in. I do not think he is still traveling around in time apart from the others. Also, he could not go back in time to destroy the swan since it hasn't been built yet.
I am not sure what the "incident" is.... that is something that continues to intrigue me. hmmm... maybe it is what spurs on the construction of the swan to constrict the electronmagnetic powers that are beneath it.
Posted by: CAM | March 31, 2009 11:35 AM
@Sandy - No!! I love Hurley!!!
I think maybe Saywer or Daniel.
Posted by: CAM | March 31, 2009 11:37 AM
@BB and...
Yeah, Walt. I think he's coming back.
Rose and Bernard will be back. They may have travelled into another timeline. I don't believe everyone skipped together necessarily. I think there was a wink and a nod to them with Sun fingering Jin's ring on the beach.
Vincent is coming back - and they should do an epi on how skipping was perceived by a dog "hey what's that nois..." "Hey what's that sm..." hey, etc.
I used to think the face on the statue would be Vincent, then Richard... now I'm back to Vincent.
@kitz - Faraday - I don't think he's lost his mind. I do think he's been playing with time altering machinery - James said something regarding him not being there (what was that line...). Some think it was meant as he's out of his mind - I interpreted it as he's off doing something in a different time.
Maybe the whole three years the 815ers have been playing house they've actually been changing, dismantling DI things they knew would be problematic in the future. It's hard to believe James et al have simply accepted living 30 years in the past, knowing what they know. Doesn't fit. JMO
Posted by: fanolost | March 31, 2009 11:38 AM
@CAM
haha....i have never been a Hurley fan. sorry. I have been watching season 2 this past week and I forgot how much I didn't like Charlie, Shannon and Michael....Hurley would be #4 :-O
Posted by: sandy | March 31, 2009 11:39 AM
@listy - sometimes it only takes a second for you entire life and perspective to change. 100 days on that island can still have more impact than 1000 days back in reality - knowing what they went through and what they left behind. JMO
Next up to get offed? My inclination is JULIET. A posted above that I think Jack will refuse to help little Ben, Kate will ask Juliet, Jack, in a fury will kill Juliet, thus setting James after him - and likely having Kate side with James, and Jack again loses 'power.' Because Jack (who is already starting to make trouble) shouldn't be top dog (that would be vincent...) and I believe that was one of the 'course going awry' issues from the 1st hundred days - Jack should not have been in charge.
Posted by: fanolost | March 31, 2009 11:43 AM
@fanolost
I don't think they are done with Juliet yet. I think she is just victim of not being written in any good scenes right now. Kind of how Sawyer was up until just recently. She just knows too much. There are one too many doctors in dharmaville right now, maybe jack will go first??
Posted by: sandy | March 31, 2009 11:48 AM
@Sandy - my thinking is she may want time off after having the baby - thus killing her off provides a bit of drama, excitement for the 'I hate Juliet' clubbers, and keeps to the Lost saga that key characters are disposable.
Posted by: fanolost | March 31, 2009 11:53 AM
Space Monkey - thanks for spoilerfix site recomendation. I will check it out.
Flashest Monk - Regarding the Ben vs Locke, which one is evil/which good discussion. I guess Locke's personal demeaner seems so much more sympathetic and pathetic and sometimes just beaten down and kicked around, compared to cold, manipulative, in control Ben. I guess its natural to "like"Locke better and thus see him as good.
I think there is no good vs evil dynamic going on, its pure survival of the cleverest.
Posted by: owchie | March 31, 2009 11:55 AM
Kitz - The Incident - Yes. That is what I'm waiting for. The harnessed power of the island gets unleashed in a big bad way and bites the DI hard on the a**. It changed everything for them. Farraday? Possible!
Posted by: owchie | March 31, 2009 12:07 PM
@Sandy - I can also see Hurley be the next one killed. He's funny & popular with the Losties, but his story line is pretty well non-existent, he doesn't have a major role on the island (unless you consider cooking major) and his death wouldn't have a negative effect on the story line going in to the last season. I can't see TPTB killing off a character that is integral to the storyline at this point.
Posted by: perdido | March 31, 2009 12:09 PM
TPTB?
Posted by: CAM | March 31, 2009 12:16 PM
@CAM - TPTB = The Powers That Be (i.e. the people in charge)
Posted by: Chris | March 31, 2009 12:18 PM
My bet for the the next dead guy is....I don't know. One of the spoiler sites gives you a list of 5 people, and claims one of them is next. I can really only see 2 of the 5 being possible, and even then I am not sure. Should be interesting to see how they wrap the character up. I guess if I had to pick someone, I say Daniel. I think the time travel stuff will be basically done this season. Every season has a had a theme of sorts.
Posted by: Spacemonkey | March 31, 2009 12:18 PM
ahh... feeling a little slow on that one! Must be the slow afternoon... is it wednesday yet?
Posted by: CAM | March 31, 2009 12:19 PM
TJIAW = Thank Jacob it's almost Wednesday!!
Posted by: CAM | March 31, 2009 12:20 PM
Rose, Bernard, and Vincent had better not be dead. I would at least expect closure. We got closure with the two goofballs and their spider bites. I really hope Hurley isn't dead. I love Hurley.
Posted by: Spacemonkey | March 31, 2009 12:21 PM
Maybe Daniel will die in the 'incident'.
Posted by: sandy | March 31, 2009 12:24 PM
sandy: Yes, that sounds right.
Posted by: Spacemonkey | March 31, 2009 12:33 PM
This will help you pass time between episodes:
http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html
Posted by: BB | March 31, 2009 12:34 PM
@bb ...funny....!! but that is how i feel today for sure. we should figure out a plan on what to do when season 5 ends and season 6 begins. Maybe we can pick top 20 episodes and each week someone can be Daniel for a day and do their best at recapping....
Posted by: sandy | March 31, 2009 12:38 PM
@sandy - been there, tried that (last summer until the site went down)
Posted by: AnonAnon | March 31, 2009 12:52 PM
@fanolost- do you really think jack could kill juliet? he's kind of a chicken, and i don't think he'd have the guts to off her.
i think sayid will be the one to die, compliments of the smoke monster a la mr. eko
Posted by: cammies | March 31, 2009 12:52 PM
Sayid would be my next guess. I think his role is done now. Can't see how they would write him in anymore. I don't think this past episode would of aired a few years ago.... an iraqie killing a 12 year old boy on tv...yikes
Posted by: sandy | March 31, 2009 12:58 PM
@cammies - I think Jack isn't on his game like he was in the beginning. He's had quasi-breakdowns, up until Ajira flight - he was back to drinking - I think in a rage, anything is possible.
They (the writers) have to realign Kate with someone - and she's not as yet. So having her go against Jack (again) fits. He won't help her, she goes elsewhere, and because Jack thinks he can change things by not helping little ben - he'll freak if Juliet does.
But I really think she's off because of her 'real life.' That and that I am not a fan and could do with a good buh-bye to Juliet for season 6.
Posted by: fanolost | March 31, 2009 12:59 PM
Course they could kill off multiple characters...
Posted by: fanolost | March 31, 2009 01:00 PM
Sandy and Space Monkey - Maybe Faraday dying when sacrificing himself to trigger the Incident and perishing in the meltdown or blowup or implosion or whatever is was/will be.
Posted by: owchie | March 31, 2009 01:12 PM
@owchie
that sounds good to me
Posted by: sandy | March 31, 2009 01:16 PM
Welcome Back, Daniel! You shouldn't feel bad...you have a life! But Prince?! Come on! Haha just teasing. I'm not a fan of his, but I'm glad you had fun.
Hope tonight's show is better than last week.
Posted by: Kitty | March 31, 2009 01:26 PM
Oh, poor Kitty, I feel bad for you but there is no tonights episode. We all have to wait until Wednesday. I see we are having the same kind of week!
Posted by: Darlene | March 31, 2009 01:53 PM
Kitty is perhaps employing the law of attraction thing or wishful thinking. Like The Secret. If we all envision Lost on tonight and us happily watching en masse -- could it happen?
Posted by: owchie | March 31, 2009 02:08 PM
@spacemonkey - The writers have said that they can say FOR SURE that Vincent will survive all the way to the end. So no risk of him being dead. We have more to learn about Vincent. We have not seen the last of him.
He has to be someone reincarnated or something of that nature. He's always been conveniently timed somewhere and one scene had him staring out from the tall grass watching, almost studying the Losties.
Posted by: Chris | March 31, 2009 02:34 PM
Oh, goodie, Chris! Thank you. I bet everyone knew that but me! I am a dolt sometimes.
owchie: I like the heroic exit idea for Faraday. Bonus points for you!
Posted by: Space Monk E. | March 31, 2009 03:13 PM
****SPOILER ALERT****
In the previews for this week, they show Juliet operating on Ben but not being able to get to the root of the problem.
She tells Sawyer they need a real surgeon to find the source of the bleeding and tells him to get Jack
Sawyer goes to get Jack and tells him the situation but Jack outright refuses to help.
Of course, the previews tend to be edited/taken out of order or context to throw people off but that's what it looked like to me.
*****SPOILER ALERT
Posted by: Chris | March 31, 2009 03:14 PM
I loved the LSD scene. It was hilarious. And I would have given this episode a B. And that quote from Damon was awesome...Teaneck, NJ!!
Posted by: vect97 | March 31, 2009 03:14 PM
CAM,
I LOVE HURLEY TOO! Don't kill him of!!!
Spacemonkey, I loved the "like watching with friends without having to feed them or share a bathroom"! soooo funny!!
sandy, I agree, dog reunions make good TV!
I have always thought Vincent will turn out to be really important. I used to be sure Vincent was Jacob, but now..not sure.
Posted by: suzie | March 31, 2009 03:22 PM
I loved the LSD scene. It was hilarious. And I would have given this episode a B. And that quote from Damon was awesome...Teaneck, NJ!!
Posted by: vect97 | March 31, 2009 03:22 PM
@Chris - Vincent is quite charming. It's been too long since we've seen him. Another elusive character that the writers have identified as important is Annie. Maybe soon we'll learn something more about her and Lil Ben now that we're back in Lil Ben/DI era. Thanks for the "Spoiler" item regarding Jack/Juliet/Ben. That should be dramatic.
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Posted by: owchie | March 31, 2009 03:24 PM
@Chris - Vincent is quite charming. It's been too long since we've seen him. Another elusive character that the writers have identified as important is Annie. Maybe soon we'll learn something more about her and Lil Ben now that we're back in Lil Ben/DI era. I, for one am very intrigued since the writers once identified Annie to be of "Seismic" (or something like that ) importance. Thanks for the "Spoiler" item regarding Jack/Juliet/Ben. That should be dramatic.
@Space Monk - Thanks for the extra points on the theory of Faraday's finale. He always seemed to have a noble, restrained, questing way about him. Not hard to envision this character doing something bold and self sacrificing. Of course I'm probably totally wrong about this little scenario and none of it will happen. C'est La Lost!
Posted by: owchie | March 31, 2009 03:33 PM
Long time reader, first time poster. Sorry if this has been mentioned but am I the only one who is thinking that maybe it wasn't the family of Peter Avellino who hired the woman to detain Sayid but rather Widmore? It could have been a cover story to put suspicion away from Widmore. After all, how would Peter Avellino's family know it was Sayid who killed him?
And also, why would such a trained efficient killer such as Sayid not simply shoot young Ben in the head instead of in the chest. Or couldn't he at least have put another bullet in little Ben's head as he was walking past him. Either it was a fluky oversight that will cause Ben to survive or there must have been another purpose for Sayid not killing little Ben.
Can't wait to read the rest of the comments!
Posted by: Tony | March 31, 2009 04:26 PM
I gotta say when you write up lost late and with a bad grade the blog itself usually isn't great either. Not a criticism but you don't seem to put as much effort into it so feels a little half baked.
Chris the description for next (this!) week says that Kate undertakes drastic action to save ben's life when jack refuses to help.
Posted by: glee | March 31, 2009 04:44 PM
@glee - Ohhh I wonder what she does? She's pretty good with a gun (stealing them and pointing them at people at least). So maybe she holds Jack at gunpoint to do the surgery?? That reflects what happened last time Jack operated on Ben. An interesting parallel.
Posted by: Chris | March 31, 2009 05:22 PM
Daniel, I love reading the lost diary each week. I dont care when you post it I will find it. I appreciate you doing it, much thanks, Lyn
Posted by: Lyn | March 31, 2009 06:02 PM
LOST Zen Koan: What is the sound of one man "losting"? (where is everyone?) I had a chance to watch the episode where Harper Stanhope appears to Juliet in the jungle. There was definitely whispering before and after she appeared (she disappeared shortly after Jack appeared, with a gun, but after conversing with Juliet.) Also, there was rain on Harper's face so she was not an apparition or a projection. I think the Others have discovered how to transport themselves to places by bending or folding the space/time continuum. When they do this, the temporary rift that it creates leaks the whispers into the place where they have transported themselves. Whispers could be people that have also shared that piece of matter in different time (time is infinite, matter finite) could be other Others (maybe more than one is needed to accomplish this transport task.) Since we have seen translations of the whispers and some seem to be addressing people present to the transport, it could be it opens a portal to the dead (briefly.) That's my incomplete theory, needed to see a whisper scene again, looking forward to seeing another one soon.
Posted by: flashest monk | March 31, 2009 07:22 PM
I love this blog...don't let negative people stop you.
9:33 -- "I like sad men." -- . Really? Who says that?
I was thinking the same thing...what a stupid line!!
Posted by: Lost in Pasadena | March 31, 2009 08:00 PM
if kate takes drstic action to save little ben maybe its bc big ben has aaron?!
Posted by: Amanda | March 31, 2009 08:14 PM
I know who says "I like sad men." .............
Professionals!
Posted by: suzie | March 31, 2009 08:45 PM
and there must be some back story on her, remember, Sayid asked her how she knew so much about temptation. Then she made a weird face and the camera stayed on her face a minute.
and she said something about when you are good at something, there is always someone trying to make you keep doing it. (or something like that!)
she has secrets.
Posted by: suzie | March 31, 2009 08:49 PM
Well, in 10 minutes, HAPPY
APRIL FOOLS DAY!
hope the big computer virus or whatever is a hoax!
I am getting off here just in case.
Posted by: suzie | March 31, 2009 08:51 PM
Okay guys....I REALLY hope this is some cruel April Fool's joke but I just read that because of the economy and declining ratings, ABC is cancelling season 6 of LOST.
http://www.lostfanz.com/profiles/blogs/sad-news-lost-cancelled
Posted by: Chris | April 1, 2009 03:58 AM
@Tony - both points have been touched on. Sayid was likely put on the plane by Widmore, some think Eloise.
Though if we go with the Others have found a way to time travel - then it could be anyone trying to get all the 06ers back.
Sayid and shooting Ben. EXACTLY. How did Sayid 'miss' killing little Ben? After saying he knew exactly why he's here? Either there's a writing problem, or he didn't mean to kill Benny - and we'd better find out why that is.
Posted by: fanolost | April 1, 2009 05:03 AM
Lost getting canned was an April Fool's joke a few years back. Did they retry that prank? I really don't like April Fool's Day. It annoys me.
Posted by: Space Monk E. | April 1, 2009 05:09 AM
TJIW!!!
Posted by: CAM | April 1, 2009 05:25 AM
That press release is signed "A Prefel" Say it quick and think about it...
Posted by: CAM | April 1, 2009 05:31 AM
I am hoping this is an April fools joke... M. Night Shymalan is supposed to direct the finale...
http://blog.lostpedia.com/2009/04/m-night-shyamalan.html
I am not a huge fan of his recent films - loved The Sixth Sense and Unbreakable but nothing much after that... hmmm.
Posted by: CAM | April 1, 2009 06:09 AM
@ CAM
I just posted that on Daniel's newest posting. I'm praying it's an April Fools joke.
Posted by: Jade | April 1, 2009 06:11 AM
I'm with you, Space Monk E. Walk around all day with that look that says "If you even try, you will sorely regret." today. ;)
Definitely a lame prank. I just saw the release from last year that said the same thing...
Posted by: lovesteamykeamy | April 1, 2009 06:16 AM
OK, you have probably all seen this, but in case anyone missed it, here's a funny little joke that the Lost crew made. I had never seen it and it killed me. (OK, I totally love this Jack.) Anyway,
http://tvseriesfinale.com/articles/lost-the-final-episode-has-been-leaked/
It claims to be a leak of the final episode, but it is not. There are no spoilers, it is just something they filmed for fun or a conference or something. And it's from 2007. I loved it.
Posted by: Space Monk E. | April 1, 2009 07:11 AM
Hurray ! It is Wednesday.
@Space Monk E. Enjoyed the "Final Episode".
Posted by: lost in virginia | April 1, 2009 07:49 AM
Thanks Space Monkey; I never saw it before. Too funny (I love how Ben still manipulating.. "If you let me go"...ha-ha-ha
Posted by: Tootsie | April 1, 2009 08:01 AM
@space monk e. that was great. thanks for sharing. love how they make fun of themselves!! happy wednesday ya'll!!!! woo hoo
Posted by: i'm lost | April 1, 2009 08:10 AM
Does anybody remember which episode had Locke and Boone walking in the jungle, and Locke tells Boone it's about to start raining - and then it does? Like he'd been in that 'time' before and knew the rain was coming? Actually, it may have been the other way around - the rain was going to stop and Locke knew it.
Posted by: JEB | April 1, 2009 08:10 AM
Happy LOST Wednesday!
Posted by: kat | April 1, 2009 08:10 AM
Re: Good vs. Evil - What I like best is that you can never be quite sure about who is evil or good, or is mostly evil, with good inside, or who will switch back and forth - I don't think the writers will fail to satisfy us at the end - I think we will know for SURE which side was which.
Posted by: berky | April 1, 2009 08:44 AM
@ JEB - i just watched that episode recently, locke said it's going to start raining in about a minute....and then it did, and boone said "do they teach you to predict the weather at a box company?" if you rewatch season 1, there are actually a lot of times where locke seems to know all the answers, or happens to be in the right place at the right time. when season 1 originally aired, i thought locke was such a smug know-it-all, but watching it again i look at it totally differently, like he actually DOES know what's going on, maybe because he's been through it before?
Posted by: cammies | April 1, 2009 09:05 AM
JEB - not sure if you remember but Locke did this again last season after his group split from Jack's group.
Posted by: Jenn3 | April 1, 2009 09:15 AM
JUST FOR FUN....I am watching season 2 over again...It is the scene in the Hatch where Eko gives Locke the missing film............"temple", "book of laws""idols""kingdom in disarray" doesn't that sound familiar???
EKO: Hello. I have something I think you should see. If you don't mind, I will begin at the beginning. Long before Christ the king of Judah was a man named Josiah.
LOCKE: Boy when you say beginning, you mean -- beginning.
EKO: At that time the temple where the people worshipped was in ruin. And so the people worshipped idols, false gods. And so the kingdom was in disarray. Josiah, since he was a good king, sent his secretary to the treasury and said: "We must rebuild the temple. Give all of the gold to the workers so that this will be done." But when the secretary returned, he had no gold. And when Josiah asked why this was, the secretary replied, "We found a book." Do you know this story?
LOCKE: No, I'm afraid I don't.
EKO: What the secretary had found was an ancient book -- the Book of Law. You may know it as the Old Testament. And it was with that ancient book, not with the gold, that Josiah rebuilt the temple. On the other side of the island we found a place much like this, and in this place we found a book. [Eko unwraps the book and pushes it toward Locke.] I believe what's inside there will be of great value to you.
[Locke opens the book. A square has been cut out, and inside is a piece of film. Locke takes it out and has a look at the strip. He sees frames with Marvin Candle.]
Posted by: sandy | April 1, 2009 09:56 AM
@ Sandy - I totally forgot about that conversation. Somoen asked the other day, may it was you, if there was any other Book of Law that the book Richard showed to young Locke could've been besides the Old Testament. I mentioned the social contract philosphers, but this makes it seem like maybe it was the Old Testament.
Posted by: Jenn3 | April 1, 2009 10:08 AM
Oh EKO - I really liked him and his complex nature. Season 2 is one of my favorites. I need to go back and watch the first couple of seasons and see if I notice things we naturally would have missed the first time around since we didn't know all that we know now.
Posted by: CAM | April 1, 2009 10:11 AM
Q: if ethan is amy's baby and she's part of the DI then how did he get recruited into the hostiles with ben?? is amy a hostile or was mikhail lying when he said he was the last of the DI?? and why would ethan go along with the gassing when his dad was killed along with everyone else?
Posted by: buttercup | April 1, 2009 10:35 AM
My son and I just rewatched season one and two and I noticed something. The first time Eko sees the smoke monster he just stares it down. But when we looked at smokie you could see faces in the smoke, one was Yemi, his brother, some were Eko, and there was one of a woman, I don't know who she was, but it was interesting and I didn't notice it the first time I watched.
Posted by: shell | April 1, 2009 10:35 AM
Daniel, so awesome--your Prince encounter. I too have up close and personal to the litttle genius, and he's gorgeous. I always refer to him as pretty like a girl. I have been a fan for years, so I don't blame you. Prince is probably about the only person I'd miss Lost for.
Anywho, I liked this episode. It wasn't too terribly exciting, but I liked it. I liked finally having a backstory on a young Sayid. But, then again I like anything about Sayid.
I don't think young Ben is dead. And for some reason, after reading your comment about the writers being backed into a corner....I now think Christian is a walk up the wall.
Posted by: I_heart_Sayid | April 1, 2009 10:44 AM
There's a lot we miss the first time around.
I watch from episode 1 through the current at the end of each season.
Posted by: kat | April 1, 2009 11:07 AM
Hmmm 3 Jay Leno SHows with Prince (in which he gave you his guitar) and 3 LA shows in a row...vs a Lost Column. As much as a fan I am of Both, Prince Live experience is what I would have chosen.
Posted by: downthehatch | April 1, 2009 11:08 AM
a good april fools joke would be to run the nicki and paulo episode tonight...so many people would be PISSED. hahaha
Posted by: cammies | April 1, 2009 11:54 AM
@kat - I wish I could do that... maybe I will re-watch from season one before the last season.
@cammies - that would be hilarious!!! hahaha
Posted by: CAM | April 1, 2009 11:56 AM
I just found this funny quiz. If you're bored, give it a go. It's called "Who are you on LOST?" It told me I'm Sun!
Posted by: SamIAm | April 1, 2009 12:09 PM
I just found this funny quiz. If you're bored, give it a go. It's called "Who are you on LOST?" It told me I'm Sun!
http://feeds.blogthings.com/whoareyouonlostquiz/
Posted by: SamIAm | April 1, 2009 12:09 PM
@ Cammies-It played yesterday @ 3:00 on Sci-Fi..I was home from work due to latest blizzard, and I thought -crap- could'nt it at least be a better ep then this on?? LOL
And as I watched it I thought there still must be something (clues) in this ep-I did'nt see any-maybe cause I was so bored!
Posted by: Tootsie | April 1, 2009 12:12 PM
I am Sun too!
You Are Sun
You have a past history of being secretive and deceptive.
You're the type of person who will protect yourself at all costs.
While you can be crafty when you need to, you are usually giving, friendly, and likable.
You truly care for other people, and you are very sensitive.
People tend to underestimate you. You seem like a fragile flower, but you're not.
You are gutsy and clever. You have a way of getting what you want without anyone noticing.
Posted by: CAM | April 1, 2009 12:16 PM
You are Hurley
To the outside observer, you're a happy-go-lucky, fun person.
And it's true that you know how to have a good time.
You can make the best of a bad situation. You love making other people smile.
You're also quite level headed. You're often the voice of reason during chaotic times.
However, there's a lot more inner turmoil going on than most people realize.
You sometimes wonder if you're going crazy, and you even wonder if you're cursed.
HAHAAHA i guess because i would want a candy bar more than anything else if i were stuck on the island?
Posted by: cammies | April 1, 2009 12:24 PM
I was Hurley, too. And totally because of the chocolate!
Posted by: Space Monk E. | April 1, 2009 12:26 PM
I'm Hurley:
To the outside observer, you're a happy-go-lucky, fun person.
And it's true that you know how to have a good time.
You can make the best of a bad situation. You love making other people smile.
You're also quite level headed. You're often the voice of reason during chaotic times.
However, there's a lot more inner turmoil going on than most people realize.
You sometimes wonder if you're going crazy, and you even wonder if you're cursed.
Posted by: Jenn3 | April 1, 2009 12:26 PM
@CAM & SamIam - I'm Sun too, bet there are a lot of Sun's on this site. I want to know who our Supreme Leader tests as...
Posted by: AnonAnon | April 1, 2009 12:28 PM
Ask & you shall receive :)
Posted by: AnonAnon | April 1, 2009 12:29 PM
guess I shoulda hit refresh. Ha Ha. Hey Cammies, we are the same charachter as the Supreme Ruler. Do we get any benefits? Are we in the cabinet?
Posted by: Jenn3 | April 1, 2009 12:29 PM
That was fun, but I do have to say that it was obvious which answers would make you Kate. ...What's your type?...Anyone who likes me. ha ha ha
Posted by: Jenn3 | April 1, 2009 12:30 PM
i wonder who all the options are.... i think if i was michael i would be too embarassed to tell anyone.
Posted by: cammies | April 1, 2009 12:30 PM
LOL Cammies!
Posted by: Jenn3 | April 1, 2009 12:31 PM
yeah and the fugitive answer wasn't too subtle either...
Posted by: cammies | April 1, 2009 12:31 PM
I am Jack, I want a do over
Posted by: sandy | April 1, 2009 12:38 PM
@Jenn3 - hahaha! I avoided answers that would make me Kate!
Posted by: CAM | April 1, 2009 12:40 PM
Another Hurley here...
Posted by: becksmom | April 1, 2009 12:40 PM
OMG !! I am Jack. Never really identified with him, but WTH.
Posted by: lost in virginia | April 1, 2009 12:42 PM
what does jack's description say??
Posted by: cammies | April 1, 2009 12:44 PM
Yes, I did one of these about movie stars, and I was Bette Davis. ("You are often perceived as a bi**h" ha ha ha ha)
Posted by: Space Monk E. | April 1, 2009 12:45 PM
JACK:
You are a natural but reluctant leader. People are drawn to you in times of crisis.
And while the role of leader is not something you're totally comfortable with, you will fight hard to keep it.
You are obsessed with fixing things and people. You can't rest until everything is better.
You have complicated ethics. Doing the right thing is important to you, even though other people may not understand your motives.
You are concerned with maintaining your stoic image. It hurts when other people see you suffer.
Deep down you are very moody. You tend to be unhappy, and you have a depressed, self-destructive streak.
Posted by: sandy | April 1, 2009 12:47 PM
Hey all here is an insightful Q&A with the actor that plays little ben.
the past CAN be changed?!
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Lost-preview-Beaumon-1004584.aspx
Posted by: glee | April 1, 2009 12:52 PM
I am Sun who woulda thunk it?
Posted by: glee | April 1, 2009 12:55 PM
@ glee
Thanks for the link to the interview. I enjoyed it.
Posted by: becksmom | April 1, 2009 01:02 PM
very interesting. thanks glee
Posted by: Jenn3 | April 1, 2009 01:06 PM
@glee
Thanks for the interview. Very interesting.
Posted by: lost in virginia | April 1, 2009 01:10 PM
I was Sawyer.
Posted by: MicheleD | April 1, 2009 01:19 PM
Sun. Well at least I'm not Jack again (from another quiz)
Posted by: jk | April 1, 2009 01:25 PM
@glee - thanks. So one of my theories that big Ben maybe disappears could be happening... unlikely... that the entire thing has changed - or that it has changed - but will re-correct, so it's changed only temporarily. In the meantime though... can the whole world be different?
lucky kid gets to work with nicky cage... cool
Posted by: fanolost | April 1, 2009 01:30 PM
all the characters have so much baggage, i'm not sure i'd want to be any of them. except maybe penny, because she gets des.
Posted by: cammies | April 1, 2009 01:30 PM
oh and I'm Hurley - really?
Posted by: fanolost | April 1, 2009 01:33 PM
I'm Jack - wow. Well, I'm a therapist in real life so I can actually see that!
Posted by: Sug | April 1, 2009 02:17 PM
hey, i got hurley too but i didnt pick the candy bar!!
oh and does anyone know about the facebook page, i finally started a facebook just so i could join thelostdiary....friended sarah yesterday but i havent heard anything back, she's probly busy with school huh? sarahb, if you're out there i'm catalina martinez.
Posted by: buttercup | April 1, 2009 02:19 PM
SamIam - thanks for the quiz site. We have gotten some mileage from this one. You can pick them! I am a Hurley type. Loves me some candy bars. Especially chocolate (dark 70% cocoa). Please SamIam, find us some more fun sites and quizzes!
Posted by: owchie | April 1, 2009 02:28 PM
I am Sun...but I've been Hurley in another quiz..haha!
Posted by: kat | April 1, 2009 02:30 PM
I'm Hurley as well! All of a sudden, I have this immense craving for Dharma brand ranch dressing.
Posted by: flashest monk | April 1, 2009 02:33 PM
Try this site. Sawyer picks a nickname for you.
http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=nickname
Posted by: lost in virginia | April 1, 2009 02:38 PM
i got hurley but i picked a medical kit? i don't really like chocolate. but it was fun.
Posted by: i'm lost | April 1, 2009 02:46 PM
@i'm lost - lol you're so practical.
Posted by: cammies | April 1, 2009 02:53 PM
i tried the sawyer nickname thing ... undefined??? boo
Posted by: cammies | April 1, 2009 03:01 PM
Sawyer called me "Mr. Miyagi"!! How cool is that??
Posted by: Space Monk E. | April 1, 2009 04:16 PM
Ok everyone, show is coming up. Let's all observe, take note, analyse, theorize, ponder and wonder. And we'll have fun with it all, cause that's the way we roll! I'm just a little too giddy right now.
Posted by: owchie | April 1, 2009 04:35 PM
Sooooo, I'm more worried about the previews for next week then anything!!!
My Ben..Noooooooooo!
Posted by: Tootsie | April 1, 2009 06:10 PM
I tried the Sawyer nickname generator. I got "Moonbeam". Im not sure what that's supposed to mean but hell, it's Sawyer. He can call me anything he wants to.
I was hoping for "Freckles" but whatever. Im not kicking HIS butt out of bed for eating crackers.
Posted by: Chris | April 1, 2009 06:13 PM
Heeellooowwww? Is anyone here after the show??? I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.....
Posted by: Tootsie | April 1, 2009 06:15 PM
I'm here Tootsie! What did ya think? I felt like it was another where it was a bit blah until the last 10 minutes or so.
I loved the conversation between Hurley and Miles though when Hurley stumped Miles about the time traveling.
But wow...last part had my jaw dropped.
Posted by: Chris | April 1, 2009 06:18 PM
Yes..same thing, but please if you can answer this for me.. the phone rang (don't U hate that), when Kate & Sawyer were taking Ben to the others, and they met up w/them:
Sawyer said something to the effect: this kids been shot, it's a ......, so U better get Richard.
Did he say it was a violation or what?
Cause I thought if thats what he said, and "his" people {so to speak did it}..I'm not sure what that means?
Posted by: Tootsie | April 1, 2009 06:28 PM
Tootsie, I recorded it, hold on I will go back and watch....
Posted by: Jenn3 | April 1, 2009 06:40 PM
It's both of our problems so unless you wanna go to war you are gonna take us to Richard Alpert now
Posted by: Jenn3 | April 1, 2009 06:42 PM
1st off Thank you Jenn3: I was loosing my mind!
Why would it be both their problems? And what was up w/Richard saying "he (Ben) will never be the same again?"
I personally think, and have thought this for quite some time now, {but been a little afraid to post},that all of the "others" ARE DEAD..and have been for quite some time!
In a different DEAD. then how we interprete it, and now Locke has joined them?
I'm really afraid of the previews for next week!! I'm afraid "My" Ben is a gonner!!
Posted by: Tootsie | April 1, 2009 06:50 PM
guess i missed you guys. can't wait to hear what you think tomorrow.
Posted by: Jenn3 | April 1, 2009 06:50 PM
one last post to myself....LOVED that Hurley was waiting for his hand to disappear like Marty ... I agree that conversation between Hurley and Miles was hysterical and I love that Hurley stumped Miles.
Posted by: Jenn3 | April 1, 2009 06:55 PM
I too am worried Tootsie. Did you catch the wait we should tell Ellie first b/c Charles is out of town or something like that and Richard says... I don't care I don't answer to either one of them.
Also, I know I will be crucified for this, but I didn't mind Kate this episode, I actually kinda liked her.
Posted by: Jenn3 | April 1, 2009 06:57 PM
am I alone again?
Posted by: Jenn3 | April 1, 2009 06:59 PM
Kate made me cry in this episode. I am such a girly girl! Now at least we understand her statement about why she came back to the island.
Posted by: MicheleD | April 1, 2009 07:06 PM
Me too MicheleD. its something about that LOST music that they play during scenes like that
Posted by: Jenn3 | April 1, 2009 07:11 PM
Kate had on some killer heels for being a tree climbing tracker girl.
Cassidy is a drinker, coffee and whiskey during the day???? Poured it right in and it went down smooth, not even a shudder. So, Jack made Ben who he is......by not helping. Jack is a loser, Juliet is a good person, according to Sawyer, and he is over Kate. Yippee.
Plus I just saw Desmond in the movie "Hitman" before Lost was on so I got my Des and Sawyer fix. Kinda makes up for having to wait another week.
Posted by: sandra | April 1, 2009 07:13 PM
forgive me, but...does anyone else have a hard time with miles' character because he looks & sounds a bit like jon from jon & kate plus 8? i reeeaaaaally hate to think that, because i love his character, but AGH i couldn't keep it to myself anymore!
Posted by: duey | April 1, 2009 07:14 PM
HA HA HA!
Posted by: Jenn3 | April 1, 2009 07:15 PM
@duey, so true, I was wondering what bugged me and now I know. Thanks.
Posted by: sandra | April 1, 2009 07:17 PM
So they wrapped up Clementine, Aaron, Ben lives, Temple changing him forever, Jack is a loser, Kate and Sawyer no lingering feelings on behalf of Sawyer, it felt slow but it did explain enough and Miles and Hurley sound like us trying to figure out time travel. Solid B...
Posted by: sandra | April 1, 2009 07:20 PM
Jenn3...yes, the music does help. That is definitely one of the fine points of this show. This show is such a complete package and the music is definitely one of the elements that make truly superb.
Posted by: MicheleD | April 1, 2009 07:22 PM
Sandra...YES!! I thought the exact same thing when Hurley started with the wanting to see if his hand was going to dissolve! I thought...this sounds like the people on the diary as I do recall full well the references to Back To The Future being discussed here!!!
Posted by: MicheleD | April 1, 2009 07:25 PM
Richards comment about Ben not remembering any of it explains why Big Ben didn't know the Losties in the future (it's weird calling the present the "future"). My question though is if Lil' Ben wasn't going to remember anything, then how did he know his dad mistreated him and thus kill him in the Purge???
I still want to know where Daniel Faraday is. Last we saw him in this timeline, he was carrying something to or from the Orchid station that was being built. What did Sawyer mean when he said "Daniel was gone" or whatever it was he said.
Posted by: Ruthie | April 1, 2009 07:25 PM
So I thought the April Fools virus got my computer, I kept re-freshing & hitting other sites & nothing..
Went to bed, and left this site open & thought if there is a virus out there I better shut off.
then I see U guys are here, unfortunately I have a meeting bright and early tommorrow, so night all-Namaste!!
Posted by: Tootsie | April 1, 2009 07:26 PM
Hi Everyone! Sorry I missed you. JUST got done reading - never knew we had a new post. THANKS Daniel! Thought the whole Prince things was SO cool for you. Was in radio early in my areer and have always been a big fan. Was introduced to Prince by two friends in highs school. My first P song was "head" lol. Their dad was a minister which made Prince seem even MORE cool :)
Loved the thought of an April Fools Day episode. VERY funny.
Always been a big Sayid fan unitl I got a good look at his hairy chest. Doesn't do it for me, but still love him. BUT yay Richard!!!!!! Love my (eyeliner) guy :)
Tonite was kind of slow, but I still loved it - never a bad LSOT! oh, yeah except for the Nicki and Paolo and tatoos episodes lol
See you guys over the weekend. (big test saturday ugh)
lSK - nice to see you're still around - you on FB?
Oh, yeah, welcome to our FBLOST group, Daniel. too funny that you didn't know about it. We've discussed it several times here!!! Where'ya been? ;)
Posted by: duffy | April 1, 2009 07:26 PM
holy crap I should really preview
*career *until *LOST
sorry! Thank god the test doeswn't include spelling! lol
Posted by: duffy | April 1, 2009 07:31 PM
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Posted by: MicheleD | April 1, 2009 07:33 PM
Ruthie:
Maybe when Ben goes back to the DI (afer he is saved by the Temple), his dad freaks out on him again for taking his keys or just reverts back to being a shitty dad and thus Ben is right back to where he was. But it does explain how he does not remember Sayid but i am sure he will interact with the 815'ers so he uses his poker face all the time in the future but all of the 815'rs in 1977 we on the list so Ben knew this before.
Posted by: sandra | April 1, 2009 07:34 PM
Finally Jack got a pair.
I hate Kate.
Love Hurley!!!!!
Can't wait for Bencentric episode next week.
Indiana Jones has nothing on Ben Linus!!!
Posted by: Soonerlostthanlater | April 1, 2009 07:35 PM
"were on THE LIST" (sorry for typos)
Posted by: sandra | April 1, 2009 07:36 PM
There is a new promo picture on Lostpedia and Daniel Farraday is in it. So he should be back soon. I think he has both feet but I cannot enlarge it without losing clarity.
Posted by: sandra | April 1, 2009 07:38 PM
@duey - OMG...I have been thinking that exact same thing about Miles looking like Jon from "Jon & Kate Plus 8". Every time I see Miles, I think of that!
@Ruthie - Good point about Ben remembering how his dad treated him but not the losties. He also remembered Annie as an adult.
Maybe part of The Others' plan is to do whatever to him and send him back to camp as some kind of covert infiltration; a "live among them" type of deal.
Maybe he remembers things that happen AFTER the Others have him and the Annie thing happened after he became an other and maybe his dad still treats him like crap after it too??
And Oh yes! I thought the same thing about Miles and Hurley's conversation about time travel. It sounds like us trying to figure it out! Loved the Back to the Future reference because it IS like that!
Posted by: Chris | April 1, 2009 07:41 PM
I too cannot wait until next week's episode!
I think Richard saying Ben would "lose his innocence" was basically him saying Ben would come back "without a soul." I'm wondering if most of the others are dead too.
Oh, and am I the only one who liked the tatto episode? I thought it was interesting. I still think it means something significant about Jack. Maybe him refusing to help Ben has something to do with it? Like he's one of the losties, but he's not one with them? Sorry, maybe it's the margaritas talking. lol
Posted by: Sahara | April 1, 2009 09:02 PM
This is the first episode in the entire series that I have actually liked Kate!
I cried at the end when she was saying goodbye to aaron.
Posted by: jb | April 2, 2009 04:53 AM
OK - so the time travel exchange between Miles and Hugo - Faraday explaining to Miles? And then Hugo puts a wrench? So what Faraday thinks isn't necessarily so?
Ellie and Widmore - so Richard is a bad-arse... heheheheh
Ben did not become who he is BECAUSE of his parenting - he was MADE that way by some Temple/Egyptian/Richard thing.
And kudos to all who thought Aaron was with his grandmother. I totally felt otherwise!
Did anyone think that profile shot of Kate looking out the window with the lace covering part of her made her look like Annie?
Posted by: fanolost | April 2, 2009 04:54 AM
also, I loved the conversatino between hurley and miles - I feel like it mimicked a lot of the convos we've had here on the lost board...
Posted by: jb | April 2, 2009 04:54 AM
snarkiness included :-)
Posted by: jb | April 2, 2009 04:55 AM
@sahara - next week... does it look like big Ben is going to destroy the temple?
I sure don't think he's trying to go back to atone for his past deeds. He's up to something - maybe without the temple (and smokie) he can control...
Loved Locke's 'welcome back to the living.'
Locke, I think, knows a boatload more than he used to...
Posted by: fanolost | April 2, 2009 04:57 AM
@jenn3 and micheleD - I thought the 'kate' music was way over the top/cheesy - and laughed. I totally thought they overdid it on purpose... maybe I was wrong?
They'd better play Lassie music when vincent reappears.
Posted by: fanolost | April 2, 2009 05:04 AM
fanolost - its the same music they play everytime something "dramatic" happens on LOST. I like it :) I think your hate for Kate is clouding your judgment of the music. jk ha ha ha
Posted by: Jenn3 | April 2, 2009 05:08 AM
I didn't think this episode was too great except for the last few minutes. I guess I was expecting more b/c Ben was in it. It did answer a lot of little questions. I was wrong about Kate & Aaron & Claire's mom. I thought for sure Ben was involved with that one!!
Posted by: sandy | April 2, 2009 05:10 AM
LOFL!!! Miles is soooooo Jon from Jon & Kate plus 8
Posted by: FundayisLOST | April 2, 2009 05:11 AM
I wonder...If Kate, Sawyer, and Juliet were to come in contact with present day (2007ish) Ben,(which I'm sure will happen in a future episode), how will they react to him?
Posted by: T | April 2, 2009 05:17 AM
Fanolost....awww, I don't think the music is over the top at any time in this show and perfectly paced.
Posted by: MicheleD | April 2, 2009 05:40 AM
I kinda liked this episode. It answered a lot of questions but also created a lot more. One being, who was the woman in the grocery store who found Aaron? Could she be an older Claire or someone from the island trying to kidnap Aaron like they did to Walt?
Now that we know Richard can heal the dying but they lose their innocence and become one of "them", I think that is what happens to Ethan. I think he is in a life or death situation and Amy or Horace take him to Richard to save him and he becomes one of "them".
Posted by: lost in virginia | April 2, 2009 05:49 AM
i've seen a few comments made about maybe the others are really dead, kinda of dead, ect...but wouldn't Miles have that picked up and said something about it?
also, i am wondering what people think may have happened to desmond... didn't eloise tell him the island was not finished with him? or did i imagine that?
Posted by: duey | April 2, 2009 06:03 AM
@jenn3 and micheleD - really? That crescendo slurpiness has been in previous episodes?
It must be kate-hate... must be...
Did anyone think some of the clothing on The Others looked vaguely piratey? As in Black Rock? I saw leather-looking jackets reminiscent of that era... or earlier.
Does anyone think Smokie takes your innocence? Or they feed that essence to him? Or maybe just a god? Which is why you see faces in the smoke?
Posted by: fanolost | April 2, 2009 06:09 AM
@ fanolost - seriously, they play the music a lot whenever something dramatic is happening.
I did think some of their clothes looked piratey (well I didn't really think much about it last night other than I noticed Richard was all J. Crew again with some stubble and was more modernly dressed than the Others)
re: smokie - someone above made teh comment that once the Others heal you maybe you lose your soul. And other people have talked about smokie being made up of the souls of the dead people (possibly even you, but I can't remember right now)but maybe smokie takes your soul whether you are dead or alive.....trade your soul to be healed? Which makes Abbadon - the guardian of the abyss (I think that was one of the meanings of his name) and the heiroglyphics on the temple kinda make more sense.
Posted by: Jenn3 | April 2, 2009 06:29 AM
continued from above: which I guess means that all of the Others are souless, whether they are dead or alive (I don't think they are all dead because Charles and Eloise are walking around off island)
Posted by: Jenn3 | April 2, 2009 06:33 AM
Locke saying to Ben "Welcome back to the land of the living"..definate foreshadowing!!
To Jenn3-I think they are "dead" in a different way then how we perceive, like you said "soul-less"
Gotta-run, still in a meeting. (crap)
Posted by: Tootsie | April 2, 2009 06:44 AM
@jenn3 - is Richard souless? I think by telling Kate and Sawyer and giving them a chance to save/unsave Benny - it gives him a soul...
Think about it - little ben dies - things change. Big Ben apparently would have died (if you think he awakens with Locke in his face after little ben goes into the temple). Little Ben 'lives' and becomes a souless manipulator - is that living?
OK, so now I'm in to degrees of living or not living and does a soul define one as living?
I don't mean 'dead' - cuz right, you've got Ellie, Widmore and a host of others that are 'alive' but it's the degree of, wait, humanness.
Back to Flashest Monk et al and our writings on good/bad, etc. - and degrees of...
This is all about choice and free will.
Thing is, did little Ben have a choice? At first glance, no. Kate and Sawyer made the decision for him. Can you stretch this to Ben made the decision by wanting to leave the DI so badly that he broke Sayid out and from that decision, the rest fell into place? Yes.
This is getting so verra interesting, brutha.
Posted by: fanolost | April 2, 2009 06:46 AM
@ jb- I couldn’t agree with you more. I love that Miles and Hurley conversation about the Future. Anyone else think that maybe the writers of LOST have been trolling this BLOG and were using bits and pieces of our questions and theories to put that dialogue together. And to use Miles and Hurley, the two funniest guys in the LOST cast to discuss the future was so great (but maybe at the same time, mocking us a little? Shakespeare used to do that, write dialogue for idiots in a play discussing lofty topics.) One example that hit me right away was Hurley opening the scene by discussing Back to the Future as his basis for all knowledge regarding time travel. How many times have we blogged back and forth using scenarios from Back to the Future. We have even joked about it being the basis for all time travel theory. To have Hurley just throw that out was brilliant writing. If we didn’t know that that scene was probably written and shot last Summer, or for sure months and months ago, I would swear they have been trolling this blog site for the last few weeks and inserted our ideas into the episode. Brilliant writing.
Posted by: flashest monk | April 2, 2009 06:59 AM
So if Jack saved Bens life then this whole thing could have changed?
Also I hope the smoke monster kills Ben : (
Posted by: Ilovelost | April 2, 2009 07:21 AM
@fanolost- absolutely, Jack now shares blame with Sayid in creating Ben the Monster.
Posted by: flashest monk | April 2, 2009 07:28 AM
@ilovelost - I think there are two theories working here: one is that what is happening is the same 'ole and it's repetition. The losties have been here before etc.
the other is that they're changing the past (though from what we get hints from it appears this may not be so true, at least not for all the cast) by being in the 70s.
I don't think smokie will kill little ben. Maybe big ben (previews seem to have him at the temple... as it crumbles...)
Posted by: fanolost | April 2, 2009 07:29 AM
@flashest monk - along with Kate and Sawyer, they had the ultimate decision - to let him die innocent or live soul-less.
So Ben is a product of 815er decisions - that's rich...
Posted by: fanolost | April 2, 2009 07:31 AM
My take on next weeks preview is that the smoke monster in some way "judges" people. Perhaps by their actions, perhaps by their motives, perhaps by whether or not they have fulfilled their "destiny." It has consumed some, and let others pass. It will be interesting to find out more about old smoky. I laughed out loud at Miles and Hurley, too funny, sounds just like us!
Posted by: okey dokey | April 2, 2009 07:35 AM
Yeah so the losties really created Evil Ben Linus. Interesting!
Yeah I hope that Old Ben gets killed by ol smokie, We have Christian now who needs Ben.
Posted by: Ilovelost | April 2, 2009 07:37 AM
So when will the blog arrive this week?
Any Bets?
Tomorrow is my guess!
Posted by: Ilovelost | April 2, 2009 07:39 AM
@okey dokey - yep about smokie.
Mile/Hurley - I still think though, the underlying part of this is that Miles thought he understood, but then Hurley punched a hole in 'his' theory - which is really Faraday's - and I think that is a problem... either Faraday's bad theory has caused all this, or he needs to start thinking differently (Miles goes to him...)
Posted by: fanolost | April 2, 2009 07:39 AM
@ fanolost- I think that Miles' (Farraday's) theory about not being able to cange anything may be the reason that the losties have lived "contentedly" in DI for 3 yrs. They either felt like they couldn't effect anything, so why try, OR they have tried and it didn't work (Maybe to be shown in a future episode.) I really think the first theory is more likely, complacency is easier if you think that it is justified.
Posted by: okey dokey | April 2, 2009 07:45 AM
Maybe this is a stupid question but when Richard took young Ben, did he take him to the Orchid? I was expecting something more to happen and wasnt paying attention to his surroundings.....
Posted by: angela | April 2, 2009 07:47 AM
Angela-
It was the Temple
Posted by: Ilovelost | April 2, 2009 07:53 AM
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