The Lost Diary

FIRST?

@victoriaj - the idea of reusing bodies for the older souls (think Egyptian) has been floated around all season on this blog - as a part of the island being in a cycle and rehousing souls.

Interesting idea Richard may have done something to Jacob - as he likely did with Ben.

I wonder if Ben isn't really Jacob (from age 12 or whatever) and little Ben has been trapped inside Jacob.

So I DVRd LOST last night. Who knew it would run 2 minutes over. I totally missed the very end. Someone tell me what happened!

Daniel, too funny:

9:11 -- Kate and Jack discussing the ramifications of changing history doesn't have the same feel that listening to, oh I don't know ... two smart people talk about it does.

HAHAHHAHAHA

i hate the fact that i want to read ur blog so much...yet i'm sure you're rooting for the lakers. Grr, GRR I SAY! lol, well, now onto enjoying ur blog. kudos on the shoutout to scrubs.

Where is everyone and the theories....

And there goes the poorly animated sub ...

Yes - this actually made me laugh out loud during the episode. I guess a real sub was out of the budget for LOST, as was decent animation lol...

I thought Sayid dropped his gun after shooting Little Ben? Where did he get his gun from?

I DVRd LOST last night and missed the last minute or two. Who knew it was going to run over time? Someone tell me what happened. Please!!!

yep. I agree with the term Dickhead Locke. I really did not like him yesterday.

I laughed when I way the sub float away. Reminded me of a bad 70's movie....

@daniel and kitz - the sub goes with smokie in the form of alex - a tad cheesy...

2 hours of Lost next week had better clarify a little of what's undone -

@betterlostthannever - we've been blogging all morning on last week's post.

OK, Daniel I usually defend you but we wait until about 1 in the afternoon and that's all you give us?

Sorry, had to get that off my chest.

I agree... Jack and Kate trying to understand and explain time travel was horrible. Jack may be a doctor but he is no physicist.

And there goes the poorly animated sub ...

Even my 10 year old laughted at how phony the sub looked.

You start off acting like you couldn't give a shit about Lost then try to placate your readers by giving it a B+. I give you a D- and I give up on reading this blog I used to wait for every Thursday.

@fanolost or listening to Miles and Hurley discuss it back to the future style

@MetsMom:
John and the others were walking the beach to go to Jacob, and Locke told Ben he was going to kill Jacob

Haven't read all the comments from last night yet...
I have a theory on creepy assertive Locke: He is not the island appointed leader, he is a self appointed leader. From the moment her told Richard when he was born and Richard visited him. Richard seemed out of sorts, and I am never comfortable with that. I think him making the ship in a bottle is very telling of how old he is.... black rock anyone?

Posted by: CAM | May 7, 2009 05:48 AM

loved this episode really kept me excited, although doesn't have any great dialog. I do think that the Hbomb is just going to create the incident because you know Whatever Happened Happened and Jack is going to be responsible for that. I think that Sawyer is going to wait it out until 2006 (I think that is the year of the Ajera airlines flight)and that crew of "what is in the shadow of the statue" people are actually sent by the 1977 Sawyer gang because he can have influence in that year.
Kate is just driving me crazy!!!!

@CAM - yes on the Black Rock!! Wrote that earlier - so he's at least that far back (I had even though First Mate...) but I think Richard goes further back still...

@vprice5612 - but at least Miles and Hurley have fun - the other two, it's just bad... then again, I hate Kate and truly dislike spineless Jack

MetsMom - all season they ran 2 min past...where you been?

MetsMom - Your name means Grandma in Armenian! Only it's spelled MetzMom!
:)

A+ for me!
Very sad about the finale. I may cry a little.

@fanolost - I've been reading the blog faithfully for years so trust me when I say I've seen all the theories. I just never had any real opinions on the idea of souls being used theory until flashest reminded us how Christian said he "speaks for Jacob" and Jacob asking Locke for help and now Richard clearly being upset that Locke wants to go find him and he's taking everyone with him. It looks like trouble.

Also, I was not one to believe that Locke was a true leader. Esp. when he told Richard to go look him up. I was on the side of those who thought Locke was a self-made leader. However, last night he knew exactly where and when to be. He is a man on a mission with a lot more knowledge than either Richard or Ben has at the moment. He clearly know's something is up with Jacob and I think he is cleverly playing both Richard and Ben. I think the tables are turning and Locke and co. is indeed going to fix a wrong.

Posted by: VictoriaJ | May 7, 2009 09:47 AM

@katie
So are you saying Sawyer lives back on earth until 2006 and sends the shadow people?

Why was this season so short?

Great episode late night! B+ Really?! I found myself saying "Son of a Bitch" to an empty room a couple of times (Husband & Daughter watch Idol not Lost). Hurley was hilarious as usual.

What I have been wondering about is the whole present time thing. Will they really forget everything that happened if they set off the bomb. They have mentioned before that their present time is what matters. So if that is the case they are on the plane and then on the Island and then some of them were on the mainland, and then they were in 1977. So if they set off the bomb now, wouldn't they still have these memories when the plane lands in LA? If it actually follows the time line they should remember everything. Maybe it is wishful thinking.

Can't wait for next week.

Hi Daniel, I love Scrubs too, the finale was really sweet, I knew Cox would come around. I give the episode an A.

@fanolost - I like your idea of Jacob being in little Ben's body, it is certainly an option for this show!

"I'd erase her too" lol

Daniel, I've never scoffed at you, and appreciate your blog (even though you write your review and scram) but that was the snarkiest sh*t ever! Remember when you said the thing about the self-appointed leader (Locke) turning into a dick? Well....

MetsMom, your DVR sucks. Lost goes 2 or more minutes over every week and my DVR knows to tape the extra 2 min. I'd call your cable company and complain.

The look on Richard's face when Locke told him he wanted to see Jacob = $20

The look on Ben's face when he saw Locke 2 walking out of the jungle = $30

The look on Ben's face when Locke told him he was going to kill Jacob = PRICELESS

SO, who really is Jacob? If Locke is going to "kill Jacob" than it can't be Locke. I'm thinking Richard or Ben is really Jacob.....

Daniel,

Thank you so much for your blog each week. I enjoy it so much. I agree with you on the poorly animated sub. Holy crap...could they not do any better than that?

OH MY GOD I THINK I JUST FIGURED OUT HOW THEY ARE GOING TO GET THE BOMB. That was a lot of all caps, but bare with me -- "Imagine a box ...."

Daniel..what do you mean by that?

When Ellie and Widmore were talking and we couldn't hear, she kind of rubbed her stomach in the way someone who was pregnant would. I took this to mean she is pregnant w/Daniel now. Did anyone see that or am I simply making too much out of nothing?

@KateisGreat
so harsh....but i was thinking the same...oh well..i'll take what i can get from Daniel :(

@ambrosia
Yes I think so. This would tie into Saywer being the thinking and patient leader as opposed to Jack the irrational one and Locke the enlighted one (who is actually dead). Waiting 32 years until he could actually help.

I've got a fresh one: at this point, in 1977, and back in 1954 for that matter, there was no mention of Jacob as far as we know. So what if there's this whole concept(don't know how yet) of harnessing the power of the H-bomb into a Jacob sort of power (obviously, not a true being, which, in the mono- and polytheistic religions aren't usually considered anyway).

Locke made a powerful point last night to the group on the beach, which resembled a herd of sheep: you don't know who -- or what -- Jacob is, do you?

I'm an atheist, so I'm a "believer" (ha, ha) in the strong ability of convincing a group of people in a higher power that one must abide by that truly has no earthly presence, when really it's a ruse....

Thoughts?

@ KateisGreat | May 7, 2009 10:14 AM

Actually Locke mentioned Jacob in 1954 to Richard and Richard told Widmore that Jacob told him to heal little Ben in 1977...

@AC
Yes, I believe she was pregnant with Daniel when she killed Daniel. Anybody have a sneaking suspicion that there could be a paternity question as to the father of Daniel, though? Richard seemed to allude to a love triangle (in which he lost) last night...he seemed pissed when explaining to Jack who Widmore was, when he made the "love stinks" (basically) comment. Widmore did state "he's my son too" to Ellie in LA, but we've heard that before to, in LA.

@shell - I really think they do reuse bodies - especially after Amy freaked about the need to bury the others...

And when little ben is hurt and 'he won't be the same' - right, because someone else's soul will be there, and little Ben, weak, will go to the other body (which would likely be damaged and why the soul needs a new body)... makes sense Jacob is 'weak' and needs help. So the 'real' Ben is inside Jacob and Jacob resides in Ben's body - and that makes me think Jacob is an Other, so the Purge wasn't killing 'his own'

I'm getting confused... but I think that's right

@CAM: yesyesyes. right. thanks

This episode hurt my head. So much is going on and HOW ANNOYING WAS KATE!?!? I seriously wished I could walk out the bushes bitch slap her and then disappear with a flash of bright light! Ugh!!!

The sub was totally PC Logo fake looking I thought I was the only one who noticed. Can't wait for next week!

@CAM: wait -- are you sure that wasn't 1977? because that would make Ben more than 50 years old when the show begins in 2004. He's shot in 1977, I'm pretty positive.

So, my theory could still stand, because they buried the bomb in 1954...

@ no one in particular

It would be fantastic for me if this is Christian's show! There is no Jacob and it's Christian's island.......bitch!

.......he just had to get back to it via flight 815.

Go ahead rip my head off for not sticking to the facts of the show, see if I care! :)

Happy Thursday!

@katie
Hmmmmm, that does make some sense. Some people thought Ray might have been Sawyer. He did have a wild hair to run.

I'm going to have to go back and watch this season again, online, before the finale...I'm getting lost!

@Gizmo Have you ever seen the movie Deja Vu? Well, if the Losties set off the HBomb and change history, the end result will be something similar to that movie. Sure, the future Denzel Washington dies, but the present Denzel Washington lives -- as do all of the people previously killed on the blown-up boat. Thus, Denzel's character lives on but without the memories of the previous reality, only deja vu.

@ KateisGreat | May 7, 2009 10:20 AM

The Richard healing Ben thing was in 1977...
1954 was Locke saying something about Jacob to Richard. Richard had a weird look on his face like... "how do you know about Jacob?"

@CAM:
Not to play devil's advocate, but maybe Richard's look was "who the hell is Jacob?" !!! :)

@kateisgreat are you tom's? - non religion one.

kat - you know I've been in the Christian camp since day 1!!!!

for a minute i thought that hot blonde guy was going to be christian, but then he was shot and killed by sayid - oh well. but i know he's lurking around 1970's ellie & crew somewhere...

@ kat | May 7, 2009 10:21 AM

LOL... Seriously... my co-worker just looked at me weird!

@ KateisGreat | May 7, 2009 10:27 AM

That very well could be. You never know.

I noticed Elle rubbing her stomach also and was thinking the same thing, that she was pregnant with Miles....

The Losties came from the pop-culture driven 2000s, and have seen enough on this island by now, to be asking, "where's my freaking dad, on this island!" right? j/k...

Has there ever been a more annoying and useless character than Kate? All she's good for is getting herself captured and having guns held to her head.
On second thought, I can't decide if it's the character or the horrible acting.

@espenn | May 7, 2009 10:27 AM

I don't get it... Explain!

locke told ben he was going to kill jacob to test him.

Victoria, that could be true...he had just lied to Sun, why not Ben too, right?

so the woman couldn't keep the babies to full term because of the H bomb under them? didn't ben know it was there?
their wombs were like 80 year old women due to...?

Who are those mindless followers of Richard's - now followers of Locke??? Where did they come from?And why are they just hanging out in camps, with nothing to do?

yeah i didnt know Scrubs was over over.. i was watching the episode like "wtf is going"? durr.. it's O V. :"(

i'm really glad they showed the whole Richard taking the bullet out of Locke, i NEEDED to know how Richard would "know" although it totally ruined ALOT of his mystique.. it's starting to make more sense when random people (i dont have any specific examples) would just pop out of the jungle at these werid times, or we would see someone in the jungle when they weren't really there. (im still going with my parelle universe / different timelines theory) It seems now that Richard is not the one that knows everything. He looked genuinly surprised when Locke said himself would be coming out of the jungle... and Locke knowing that??? "wtf" is all i can say. "The island told me" is not a good excuse to me anymore!
I was waiting for a Richard flashback at the very end, like him waking up and being in the bowles of a creaking ship.. yeah didn't happen.

would it be some crazy spit if somehow present Locke, Richard, Ben and the Others end up flashing to the 70's when the "other" Locke moves the donkey wheel? It prob won't cause pre-dead Locke flashed before Richard, Dead Locke and Ben's eyes, and they didn't travel.. but I think that could set in montion the incident... 70's Ben, Richard and the Other's seeing themselves, knowing what they know, Dead Locke flashing to the 70s causing a ruckus? that would be sweet! Also leds me back to Locke and Boone in the jungle and Locke said it was about to rain in ,like 1 min.. and it did... Maybe dead Locke is going to be kind of "floating" through time, able to change where he is on the island, so the Locke we saw with Boone wasn't the "real" Locke.. like Christian being able to show up anywhere and everywhere... U know those movies or t.v. shows where in an episode someone's long lost twin comes into town quietly, and craziness insues cause everyone things the twin is the "regular" person? Maybe thats what will happen with Locke somehow... but im just postualing. i have no names for specific theories or any of that.

also, Kate reallyis looking mighty "Other-y" more and more. As Mr. Factual had given examples, and i had said before, it all started in teh first ep with Kate just non-chalontly meeting Jack in the jungle and sewing him up.. She could be an Other but doesn't know it. We know the Others went from the island to the "real" world, so its not that crazy that all the events in Kate's life were orchestrated by the Others to have her cause some spit on the island... althogugh if i was her,i would TOTALLY not be down with going back to 04 and going to jail.. her handcuffed to that marshall was a lot like sayid...

I got this from Tammy on facebook:

"What I have been wondering about is the whole present time thing. Will they really forget everything that happened if they set off the bomb. They have mentioned before that their present time is what matters. So if that is the case they are on the plane and then on the Island and then some of them were on the mainland, and then they were in 1977. So if they set off the bomb now, wouldn't they still have these memories when the plane lands in LA? If it actually follows the time line they should remember everything. Maybe it is wishful thinking."

This is what I am thinking which makes me think that Jack is an idiot and does not understand the whole "present time" thing.

the sub was fake looking but it was endearing like how watching dr who now is like oh man that was a little cheesy or land of the lost etc but then it was like...whoa man

Do we know for sure he lied to Sun? I think Locke enjoys keeping Ben in suspense much like he did to locke when he was the leader. I think it is Locke's way of revenge to the way Ben used or misled Locke all those times.

I think Ben is going to try to kill Locke again (despite Alex's warnings against that) and that will be the demise of Ben as far as the smoke monster is concerned.

also the black woman with the dreads in 1977 other camp is Klough

@mmn1927: Next week will be the 16th epidsode this season. Before they started season 4, they said there would be 3 seasons left with 16 epis in each.

Hurley was so great. His comedy is worth even a bad episode.

Doesn't Jack realize that Kate would be going to jail forever if none of this ever happened? Besides the fact that they never would've met, life is definitely better for Kate now than it would be in jail.

Why do you think Richard allowed Ben to lead all that time...he obviously wasn't 'born' to lead them or at least in my opinion. I still believe John in their destined leader but why won't Richard give up any goods on Jacob. But John has become high on power and is going overboard.

Was it just me or did everyone keep thinking that when Sawyer was getting his ass whooped. Rudinzsky is one bad ass motherfucker.

Then when Sayid shot the other that Sayid is one bad ass motherfucker.

Then Locke telling people what he is going to do and the others doing it, he is one bad ass motherfucker.

One of the best episodes of lost of the season. It shows that at any one moment you do not know who you can trust and who is really in charge.

If not to be the Leader, why would the island bring Locke back to life? Why him?

Here is what I was trying to reference with the box comment, from the episode "The Man From Tallahasse."

"Picture a box. You know something about boxes, don't you, John? What if I told you that somewhere on this island there is a very large box, and whatever you imagined, whatever you wanted to be in it -- when you opened that box, there it would be. What would you say about that John?"

For all the crazy talk about Radzinsky, did you see the look on his face when Phil slapped Juliet, heck even Radzinsky was like this dude is nuts!!

@CAM, I have a hard time seeing how anyone would remember any of this IF Jack is successful and blows up the H-bomb, thus stopping the Swan from ever being built. IF he is successful, then he breaks the WHH rule, which means none of this ever happens at all.

Are you under the impression their concious minds would jump into their 2004 bodies, with all these experiences still intact? The way I see it, if they can stop the Swan from being built, then they erase their timelines from 9.22.2004 on to the present.

Daniel, I totally take back my crappy, mean-ass comment! You're here, you commented, AND you came up with a damn smart and insightful idea. I lurve it!

Why do Richard and his Tribe alwas live in tents, they could have been living in The Darma houses which looked like they were deserted for years, or at any of the Darma stations.
Also didnt they hear the Ajira Air flight landing and go and investigate?
And when will they have the confrontation with the "What lies in the shadow of the statue?" tribe?

speaking of Radzinski, why in the world is he claiming that he is the leader now and people are just taking him for his word? How did that happen? Who made him boss?

where the heck is Jenn3?
Did she sleep in this morning? I would have expected like 30 posts from her already???

@CAM | May 7, 2009 10:59 AM
I am with you on the weak scene when Chang came into the security room and saw the beating. First, doesn't he RUN THE SHOW? Secondly, isn't Horace in charge other than that? It's not like they seemed afraid that he was a loose cannon (which he is); they just seemed to simply give over the ropes. A weak link in the story chain, I think.

I think Jenn3 said on the other thread she had meetings all afternoon

@CAM

I wondered about the little Radzinski power trip as well... it didn't jibe for me that he just yanked the title of leader from Horace and every1 just accepted it, especially with Chang... I was totally expecting him - Chang - to question Radzinski's authority.

@ Mr Factual | May 7, 2009 10:51 AM

My thinking on this is, they will remember everything up to this point, since this is their present. Even if they are successful in changing the future, they will remember what they did to get there... my very scientific reasoning on this is Back to the Future. Marty changed his future but he remembered how it used to be and the actions he took to change things.

So, when Richard said to Sun, about her friends, "I watched them all die," it was a creepy moment.

But do any of you think that maybe he meant that *everyone* dies (him, too) by the bomb detonation, and they all simply come back? Wouldn't be too crazy for the writers to throw in a twist like that...

no problem. CAM has picked up the slack. I have this wild theory that CAM, Jenn3 and Mr Factual all work in the same building and just dont know it yet.

Whoa! Did Daniel just make an appearance? Love Love Love that!!!

Widmore saw Faraday when Ellie shot him, so I wonder if future benefactor Widmore recognized Daniel when he invited him to join the freighter crew?

@ Maestro D | May 7, 2009 11:06 AM

That would be very weird since there are no other businesses in my building and there are only 7 people who work were I do.

The way Radzinsky was acting in the control room last night, I'm totally unsurprised that they were all like, okay dude you win. I mean, we're talking abotu the guy that faked hatch lockdowns and painted with laundry detergent and created the "brain stain" in the hatch. He's a bit of a loose cannon..

We at my house also had an issue with Radzinsky's powertrip over Horace. My response was bad writing, really bad writing. IDK?

@ CAM
I suppose that would be weird, But how well do you know the 7? Has anyone been there like a REALLY long time? (like richard alpert long???)

Also on the Radzinsky issue, why didn't they take Sawyer to the "he's our you" guy to get information? Why introduce a character if he's not going to be used for his skill set?

@ambrosia | May 7, 2009 11:12 AM
My thoughts, exactly. Then again, I still think there's something up with the sub arriving in land-locked Ann Arbor, MI....

@ Melissa | May 7, 2009 11:10 AM

Of course he recognized him but because he is his son.

Good call Ambrosia - they had no hesitation bring Sayid over to that dude for 'the truth'. I think the sub must come in via Lake Erie and they are then Dharma-vaned over to Ann Arbor.

[looks around at coworkers suspiciously...]

I don't see anyone else with their computers aimed at this blog, sorry Maestro D. :)

But I do live 1/2 hour away from Ann Arbor... hmmmmm

@ Maestro D | May 7, 2009 11:13 AM

Sorry to debunk your theory, but my co-workers make fun of me for LOST and for this blog.

Does anyone think that John might not be John? He sure doesn't act like hiself and why would the Island talk to him? - when it never talked to anyone before (Ben)

Make no mistake...Richard and Ben know exactly what is going on!! I don't believe for one second that Ben is this innocent bystander now. I think Locke is a self-appointed leader and just very intuitive. He has had a connection to the island since the begining. Remember the first season when he encountered the smoke monster in the jungle and they just sorta stopped and looked at each other. He said he had "looked into the eye" of the island. I think we will all find out that Ben is the ultimate leader and has control over or knows about everything. Another thing, we have already seen who lives in the cabin...the one where Jacob supposedly lives, and its Christian. Obviously Jacob is not human and cannot be killed. Locke has something else in mind when he said he was going to kill him.
And Daniel, I don't get the end of your blog either, about the box, what did you mean?

Don't know if this was stated yet: someone posted about Richard possibly being a part of the original Black Rock crew (cause of the whole ship in a bottle thing). Could the Black Rock crew have been the original Hostiles? Richard could have been contacted by Jacob, started time-travelling and hence not age.....

@reddog - jughead lives under the DI village. Why would the Indigenous want to live there?

And I wonder if the fencing isn't more to keep the DI from infecting the Indigenous - even though the DI think it's the other way around.

@cam and KateisGreat - the whole who's in charge is very up in the air - locke, richard, ben (not so much), radzinsky, chang, horace...

I confess, I loved this episode. It was more character-based than mytery-based, but its the characters that got me hooked in the first place.

I loved that Miles realized that everything he believed was a lie, that his father loved him. End Daddy issues for him; is he now toast? (Also first time it occurred to me that Widmore specifically selected 3 people who were born on the Island, or at least to Island denizens, as Freighter Tots. Why?) I'm also looking more closely at Mommy Dearest. Last week, I thought she was a stone Bee-yotch. Now, well, did Daniel already change everything? Is her killing Daniel a *new* thing -- just now remembered by Eloise -- designed by Daniel to force her to help Jack with the bomb, and thereby to change the whole timeline?

I liked Jack last night. He finally took charge again. Kate ... can they just put us out of her misery? If what Jack does works, then they DO forget everything. History changes from 1977 on, and what we know as current Jack et al dispappear as if they never happened.

@ BAinJax | May 7, 2009 11:28 AM

I agree about Locke: he is a self-appointed leader who is driving me crazy. But, I don't think Ben is the ultimate leader at all. I think Jacob is a real entity who can be killed, but I think Locke trying to kill him is a HUGE mistake.

I feel so silly - I definitely didn't notice the poor graphics of the sub last night! Shows how much I pay attention to special effects and stuff like that.

I get the feeling that Daniel keeps traveling back in time to the island (over and over again) trying to set something right, straight or how HE feels it should be. Kate is annoying, but that's her role. If she didn't screw something up - it wouldn't be Kate. Jack is annoying, too, but that's his role. And I didn't see the episode, yet, so I'll see how Locke is acting. Usually, I like Locke, but he's getting a little cocky, since he thinks he's the leader. I can tell that from his attitude. Anyway, I enjoyed reading everyone's observations and look forward to seeing the show tonight.

Ok, everyone take a deep breath and nobody yell at me, but I LOVE KATE!!!!
(and I'm a hetero woman). I think she's strong, a dynamic character, a great foil for every single man in the show, and dizzingly beautiful. When she's on screen, I practically drool.

That's it. I'll stop now. :)

Daniel-thanks for explaining the box thing. I had forgotten about that. Sorry you lost Scrubs. I was totally addicted to NYPD Blue and was so sad to see it go. I still miss Sipowicz and Simone. I haven't followed a show like that until Lost came around. Been watching it from day one.

I haven't been too bothered by Kate in the past but this episode was like... REALLY? Somebody points a gun at you and tells you to stop, you effing stop, unless you've got a really good plan. Then she goes and gets caught and thrown in the sub with Sawyer and Juliet. Jesus, woman. Between her and the way Daniel raided the Others' camp with guns-a-blazin', I'm wondering if the radiation has started to affect their brains already.

By the way, I'm a longtime reader but that was my first post here. Hi everyone!

I really didnt like how Richard was portrayed in this episode. He had no clue of anything. It also bummed me out to see that interaction with him and Locke allover again knowing that Richard was told to say what he did.-- Also- why did we see that again? I thought that had already happened in the time frame that Locke and Sun are in? Someone please set me straight.

OH- and did anyone else think "WTF" when they were about to shoot Kate as she was leaving and then shots rang out. For like half a second I thought for sure she was a goner. Well, I was hoping. Then it made up for it to see Sayid again-
I noticed someone asked how Sayid got a gun because they thought he had dropped his after he shot little Ben- didnt he knock out Jin and take his?

@LinJoe,
On Lost, anytime someone has a gun pointed at someone else (important characters at least) there is always someone else, offscreen with a gun, who will get the first shot, to shoot the shooter, and save the day. Whew! One of the cliches in Lost that's gotten a little tired IMO.

Hate Kate. Love Locke and Richard. Love the Locke and Ben comedy hour. Love that Sayid is back because Lord knows Jack needs guidance and technical skill to achieve his plan, and Sayid is just the man to provide it. Love Hurley's loyalty. Did I mention I hate Kate?

@LinJoe,
My husband was saying the same thing about Richard the whole time. "Why is he so clueless? Isn't he supposed to know what's going on? My whole perception of him is getting ruined!"

@V- I know- I just had a glimmer of hope there that the absolutely unpredictable would happen...I could care a less if Kate is on the show or not- just wanted to see something new.
I totally miss awesome, Richard. I also HATED Locke last night. Far too arrogant. It would be okay if he didnt seem like he was just making it up as he went along. One of my fave lines that Daniel didnt point out was "...are you afraid I'm going to stage a coup?"-- Ben. The delivery of that line was classic!
Regarding Ellie being pregnant- her and Widmore both touched her stomach the way a couple would that is execting a baby- you could also hear Widmore say something like "..are you sure...in your condition..." That to me meant they knew she's preggers.

I'm going to stage a coup -- against all of the Katers! :)

(though that might leave this blog with the sound of crickets....)

@KateisGreat- my apologies. I dont hate Kate. I just thought it would be really awesome if she actually did get shot because it would be one of those HUGE "WTF" moments that I miss so much.
Anyone else miss smart ass, messy haired Sawyer as much as I did?

Not Dickhead locke, Pet Sematary Locke! I mean that kinda seriously its another Stephen King novel and so apt.

anyone ever see the special with abrams et al talking about how if there were another season past the planned ending season it would be about zombies?

Jacob is kind of a shape shifter. He's comes in many forms. When you look at the Egyptian hyrogliphics in the walls of the "temple", you see the smoke monster in the same picture of Anubis. The smoke monster is Jacob but he can only really be seen if he takes physical human form. Everyone who has died on the island, their bodies act like a vessels for Jacob and appear to the living folks on the island to tell them what to do, give them a message,etc. Jacob was mainly inhabiting the body of Christian. I think he is now inhabiting the body of little Ben or Ben is inhabiting Jacob. I think Locke's mission of killing Jacob is to kill little Ben therefore releasing or "helping" Jacob and allowing him inhabit a new body (vessel) Locke. It's just a theory or a half - one at that. I'm still trying to wrap my brain around it all.

I just do not get any chemistry between Sawyer and Juliet whatsoever. They simply don't do it for me. She's always got an annoyingly angelic, ephemeral look on her face, at ALL times, no matter what. I know that's what her character is all about -- calm and poise -- but it's disconcerting. No one can be that unruffled all the time.

And it makes it all the more unlikely that she and Sawyer would hit it off.

Call me cynical (or, conversely, romantic), but I believe their relationship came about firmly as one of convenience. They were alone, ostensibly, in the DI, and came together as a matter of course.

The whole "you got my back" isn't too much of a statement of love to me.

I go either way with Kate's character. I can relate to her killing her mom's man cause I hated all of my mom's boyfriends. They were drunk awful people too (god I hope one doesn't turn out to be my real father). It is when she started falling for Sawyer that I began to have issues. I see Sawyer as one of those awful guys that abuses women (sorry Sawyer fans, he's a conman to me). And Kate falling for Sawyer was like her becoming her mother. So there lies my issue with Kate. She should pick the nice guy, not the womanizer. I'm very much ok with Sawyer and Juliet starting a life together, but for me Kate with Sawyer is not good.

Why did we see that scene with Locke and Richard again? Weren't we already past this in time? Mr. Factual, are you there? You always have an answer to my questions...

@LinJoe | May 7, 2009 12:07 PM
To be honest with you, I truly thought she was shot last night, and my heart skipped, because it really would have been an exciting thing to have occurred, so I'm with you!

I see Sawyer and Juliet working simply because I think they are both cons. I think Juliet is hiding a ton of information that could potentially be useful. She was an Other..she knows things.

I've always loved the Kate-Jack connection, so it really hit me hard when he said there was "more misery than good" in their past, and was worth erasing. Kate wore that pain on her face. She really did love him. Think of the scene when Jack proposed. They really were a family, and a good one.

Remember how much Kate loved Tom, and the cop (can't remember - her husband when she was Monica in Miami)? Kate has a big heart.

I agree with Ambrosia that staying away from Sawyer, even if he has best intentions is good -- she needs to NOT repeat her mother's past of dealing with dark men.

@ LinJoe | May 7, 2009 12:21 PM

The scene with Locke and Richard was from one of the island flashes right after Ben moved the island. This did already happen to Locke, but his present self was witnessing something that already happened to him.

@ambrosia- The point of the Locke/Richard time skipping scene was to show it from the point of view of 2007 ressurected Locke, Ben and Richard. When we originally saw that scene, we had no idea what year it was or how Richard knew to show up at exactly the right time.

1st time poster: has anyone discussed that perhaps Richard never ages because he too travels through time? What is his purpose?

It's not been discussed yet today, but I think the title of last night's show is worth going into. "Follow the Leader"

Which one? Locke leading Richard and Ben into the past scene at the plane? The final scene where Locke leads the Others toward Jacob?

Or Eloise leading Jack, Richard and Sayid to the bomb in 1977?

Rather, maybe, Jack leading ("he walks among us, but he is not one of us") Eloise and Richard toward the bomb to detonate it?

Maybe it was Eloise showing that it is she, in fact, who holds the leadership between her and Charles Widmore -- which is an interesting thing to plumb.

Anyone have any thoughts?

John Locke rules this show!

The original flash of Richard taking the bullet out of Locke - could it have been a flash to the future? That's why Richard doesn't remember it happening the first time?

@LinJoe, During the time skipping, time flashed backwards and forwards. Locke flashed AHEAD to that moment, when Richard came out of the jungle and helped him. Similar to like they all did when they saw the Ajira water bottles.

Well lastnight the current timeline for those on 316 who did NOT travel back, finally reached that point where Locke had travelled to in the future during the skip. Does that make sense?

*Looks like CAM beat me too it.. :)

@CAM- I get what you're saying about showing it from a different point of but since it had already happened, why were we seeing it again? They would've had to flashed back. I thought we were in the present? Why would they be witnessing that if they hadnt flashed to the time it happened. It was before Locke resurrected and came back...right? Sorry, Im just really confused and trying to figure it out.

@T, exactly, Richard had yet to perform the removal, which is why he didn't remember it.

So we're thinking that he flashed to the future when he got shot? But wasnt it Ethan that shot him?

I guess he may have flashed to the future right after he got shot. Hmm..I'm still confused on this one. Thanks for the help guys!

@LinJoe, When Locke flashed into Ethan's timeline, it was in the PAST (ie: sometime before 2004). And right when Ethan was getting ready to finish him off, the island skipped again, moving Locke in time.

A lot of flashing and it was hard to keep track of exactly where it stopped each time.

@ Mr. Factual- thank you. So, last night what we saw was present time showing Locke, Ben, and Richard? So there were two Locke's purely because he had flashed forward? We just didnt know it was a forward flash at the time? Am I getting closer?

@LinJoe, Exactly, it was dark and very hard to tell what "time" it was when Richard helped him. Left us wondering exactly, so I assume lastnight was meant to clear that up. Now we know it happened in 2007.

I am wondering if we will get to see the other scene, the one when Sawyer, Juliet, Locke, etc.. took the boat to visit the Orchid. Another boat followed them and started shooting, due to the Ajira water bottles we have a hunch it was Illana, Bram and there little group from 316.

It kind of takes the fun out of Richard now. I always thought he was all-knowing. That scene seemed so cool to me because Richard was just awesome. Bummer Locke is the one that made that happen.

Have we figured out why they take a sub? Why dont they take a boat or plane?

Long time reader, first time posting a comment.
I don't think Richard is travelling through time at all. Yeah, he doesn't age, but nothing else indicates the he would move trough time. He only visited Locke as a kid and to pull the bullet out because John told him to. John is the time traveler, even though it is inadvertent. I think Richard Alpert has been for a long time what Christian is now. My guess is that Richard was dead and his body arriving on the Island came back to life in sort of a permanant state. He may have been on the Black Rock. And this is what I think happened to Christian al well. I believe we will see Christian and Richard as opposing forces. Jack and Sawyer will be the new destiny vs. no destiny.
Still Widmore vs. Ben and now Locke vs. Jacob
I don't now.

One word to Sawyer when he buys Microsoft, please don't make Vista. Or debug it completely so it doesn't annoy me as much as it does. ;)

He's our U - they think he lost his touch when Sayid went about being from the future that's why they didn't use him. Radz has always been a hot head and is using confusion to be able to do what he wants.

@LinJoe, pure speculation on my part... I assume they take the sub due to the passage above water seemed quite dangerous. Remember the scene in the Constant, Frank tried like heck to keep that chopper on course but couldn't. One little degree off and Des went crazy.

Also, could be a little more undercover being in the sub, attract less attention from someone flying over head.

Just a thought, but what if Locke is going to kill Jacob because the others are not doing what the "island" wants?

At first I was, like many other posters, annoyed that Richard's mystique has been watered down, but now I'm liking the idea more and more. I enjoy how the show points out how visions of utopia are often quite myopic and that human morality is not so fixed. The Others: evil kidnappers or just a lost tribe trying to survive? The Dharma Initiative: scientists working for the greater good or fascists blinded by the Island's power potential? 815ers? Innocent victims of an accident outside their control or complicated humans fulfilling the destiny of tragedies created by their own hands?

Face it, each Island hopper has an agenda: each one is based on reasons we can later appreciate but ultimately is exclusive to the rights of others. Why should Richard be any different? He appears to be a calm, almost detached advisor whose main concern is for the harmony of the island. Reasonable, right? But like all the other characters, I'm sure he is flawed as well, and has his own selfish reason for keeping his "people" in the dark. While it will kill the mystique of this apparently immortal figure, getting his back story will be great.

One of the great things about this show is that it creates mystery, then gives you information, and then flips what you knew. It's a little painful, but so is all good storytelling.

@LinJoe, you're forgetting that Daniel was shot, and killed, just last week. Locke was also shot. Not everyone is rescued.

Whoever said Eloise was the leader, not Widmore, I agree. But I'd put Daniel at a lot older than the 30 years old he'd be if Eloise were pregnant with him in 1977 (with *present* being 2007).

@ @ Maestro D | May 7, 2009 11:13 AM

Sorry, but I live in a totally different state that CAM and Mr. Factual.

@Mr.Factual- good point. I just wasnt sure if it had ever been discussed on the show or not.

I threw this thought out earlier on the other stream, so let's see if there are any Harry Potter fans reading right now.

I've said this before, but I watch LOST with my 15-year old, crazy about all things Harry Potter, son. Last night, he said that he thinks this whole time travel thing is actually like the time turner mechanism that Hermione uses in one of the Harry Potter books. I'm not sure which book, but she uses it when she has way too many classes to take and it allows her to be in two places at the same time. My son thinks the compass is the key to it all; how Richard and Locke keep trading it back and forth. Anyway, just thought I'd throw that one out there.

@arra: I agree with your point.

Although I do not completely agree with everything said in this link, I love the parts about Locke, the Others and Hurley...

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2009/05/things-i-noticed-follow-leader-by.html

Maybe Richard doesn't age because Richard isn't alive. Its like seeing Christian, or Charlie. Come to think of it, doesn't it make total sense that Hurley can see Jacob, since he plays board games with Dead Charlie. Wonder if Jack can see him too. Miles ... well, Miles will have a field day with Jacob.

princealpertinanutshell | May 7, 2009 12:55 PM
Great points. I love it. Agendas all around.

And let's not forget one important *Richard* moment from the not-too-distant past: he is the one who gave Locke the file on Sawyer which perpetuated Locke's scheme to get Anthony Cooper killed.

Who masterminded THAT? Richard himself? Or Locke in a past flash?

The point is, the Richard we all became comfortable with is up in the air now, which is what makes this show great.

Ponder at will.... :)

My jaw dropped a few times last night. I was so confused by the scene with the bullet! Does that mean that Ajira isn't actually in 2007 but earlier?
FI still think that Richard is Faraday's dad. From last week-when Faraday was counting beats on the Metronome (I think that's what it's called) was 864 that equals 8x108! I also read that the WIRED magazine in Faraday's room was about superpowers and it was from AUGUST 2008 issue!
I have given up trying to figure out what's next! I'm a Kater from way back and was really annoyed that a. she didn't get shot and b. she got on the sub (Sawyer didn't look happy to see her) but I have a gut feeling that the sub is going to turn around.

I agree that Daniel is FAR OLDER than 30 years old.

How about this people:

ELOISE IS ALSO PENNY'S MOTHER?????

I was kind of surprised last night when Richard shook John's hand. To me Richard always seemed untouchable. Then again, maybe Locke has taken on the same form as Richard.

My jaw dropped a few times last night. I was so confused by the scene with the bullet! Does that mean that Ajira isn't actually in 2007 but earlier?
FI still think that Richard is Faraday's dad. From last week-when Faraday was counting beats on the Metronome (I think that's what it's called) was 864 that equals 8x108! I also read that the WIRED magazine in Faraday's room was about superpowers and it was from AUGUST 2008 issue!
I have given up trying to figure out what's next! I'm a Kater from way back and was really annoyed that a. she didn't get shot and b. she got on the sub (Sawyer didn't look happy to see her) but I have a gut feeling that the sub is going to turn around.

@ KateisGreat - interesting and they each raised one? I have to say though, Penny does look older than Daniel.

Everyone's commenting on Eloise rubbing her belly and Charles talking about "in your condition?" -- couldn't she be pregnant with PENNY?

And Daniel's already off the island?

@KateisGreat - yes, so Penny would be the daughter of Widmore/Eloise, but Faraday would be the daughter of Richard/Eloise. I like that.

But if Penny were older than Daniel, that means she had have to have been born before, and while Charles was on the island, and mothered by whom?

I think this only makes sense!

@ Kateisgreat- I'm proud of myself for catching that about Widmore speaking of her condition while rubbing her belly. I'm far more excited now with it since you have proposed it could be Penny...very exciting!!!

As far as Richard being a baby daddy..I hope so. He needs some lovins.

Oh, I'm not sold on the Richard being Daniel's dad theory. Remember, last week Elioise said to Charles: "he's your son!" referring to Daniel.....

They already told us that Widmore had an affair off island that produced a child, ergo Penny and that was why he was banished.

So let's pretend that Eloise is the mom of both Faraday and Penny; why would that be significant?

Something I don't get. Sometimes Richard seems to be riding shotgun, after Jacob. In 1954, 1974, and 2004-ish. But then, he's Mr. Backseat, to Widmore-Hawking in '77, to Ben post-Purge '91, and Locke in 2007. I really want to understand his role an his origin.

Ya'lls be loving some Richard! :)

That affair could have wrought ANY child -- someone we haven't even met (Charlie Pace, even!) so I'm still not going to kill my idea that Eloise is mom to both Penny and Daniel.

It also makes little Charlie Hume a much more interesting infant...

@Daniel

Thank you very much for answering my question about the "box" comment. I totally forgot about that conversation with Locke about boxes. Sounds like you could be onto something. Thanks again for the blog.

Hey -- Charle's Widmore's illegitimate child is likely NAOMI -- given that he was so prone to having all of the islanders return on the freighter, and she was from Liverpool.

Anyone?

I think it's quite clear that Faraday is the offspring of Widmore-Hawking, hence the belly rubbing. It's an ironic moment. Duh!

Secondly, whether or not Penny was born off-island before or after Faraday isn't clear, but I'm willing to accept that she has a different mother. Maybe Ben just figured out where Widmore was heading in the sub. Perhaps the acknowledgement by Hawking that she will kill her son plants some discord between her and Widmore.

One thing I want to know is why Widmore wanted baby Alex dead in the first place. Somehow related to his own losses? I have no idea.

I'm with Daniel, I have no idea what is going on. But, I must add, I'm so confused. All bets are off!

Did anyone else notice the look on Richard's face when he saw Locke? I think he was surprised to see him alive. And Ben and Richard are in on something that Locke is not. Then again, Locke looks like the cat that swallowed the canary.

I love Sayid, he such a bad-ass and shows up at just the right time!

Excellent episode!

I'm a little confused about the chronology of ownership of the compass. Can someone break it down for me?

But Scrubs is wicked corny. It was funny for about a year.

Locke's been through some real tough crap. I really like Lazarus Locke, the"cat who swallowed the canary". Awesome. Ben and Richard deserve to squirm a little.

If you think about it, Jack and Locke are again two sides of the same coin. Locke wants to fulfill the future and Jack wants to completely alter the past. I mean, Locke essentially told himself he had to die. He's accepted it and his role in the act taking place. Whereas Jack is trying to wipe the board clean. Jack's "destiny" is to change the past, which establishes his destiny! And Locke, who believes in the grand design, plays an active role in its function. They are two recursive loops, trying to separate from one another like a magician's rings. Who will win?

i read through half the comments but if I don't do it now, I never will.

When Richard tells Locke he "looks different" and Locke responds "I have a purpose now" there seems to be a double meaning. Richard looke slightly afraid and unsure. Could Locke be "possessed" (for lack of a better word) but another person?

It just seemed like Richard was almost ghost white when he said that and I think Richard was noticing more than just a man with purpose. Not sure what that is though...

oh, and for the record, I was happy with Jack's resonse to Kate. Something like "it wasn't all misery" and he said "enough of it was". If she loved him she would've said something more, but obviously she got pissed and left.

I used to really, really like Kate. But she could've been more convincing/considerate of Jack and now I am annoyed by her like the rest of you. it's sad, I was hoping her character would take a turn for the better once they got back to the island.

Isn't it strange that Locke wanted so desperately for Jack to go back and to believe and now Jack's goal, after having fulfilled Locke's wishes, is to completely undermine Undead Locke's current mission? Hello irony!

I was always more of a Kate fan than Juliet, but now I kind of dislike all of the female leads. I don't really know what I think of Sun anymore, though I understand her desire to find Jin. Whereas, like Kate, I wouldn't want to send off an H-bomb, nor go back to being a fugitive after being a proxy mom and all that, her general underappreciation of Jack really bugs. Sure, he hit a downward spiral, but after all the crap she has done in her life and all the bad-boy pining she has done in the past, you'd think she'd be more forgiving of a guy who essentially followed his moral compass and consistently fought for the well-being of others. Maybe they're just trying to build a more interesting storyline for her, but for now I'm not sure if I would miss her if she was bounced off the island.

Anyone notice in the preview of next week's finale that Kate is back on the island talking to Jack? Maybe it's a flashback but I think the sub turns around.

I don't understand how blowing up the H Bomb changes things and doesn't kill our losties. I mean, this is the present for the losties, so won't they die? It may change things for everyone who is supposed to be in 1977, but I don't get how the losties won't die in the explosion.

@alwayslost
That is true about Radzinsky. He didn't like Horace very much and wanted a go at Sayid. So, he would not take the same actions that Horace would, like going to see the he's our you guy.

To debunk my theory that detonation of the bomb would kill everyone on the island, Lostpedia has this in the first paragraph re: Richard. It implies that the soldiers in 1954 were there to test Jughead, and therefore would not have died had the bomb been set off. So must just be a matter of getting far enough away at the time of detonation?

During this time period, the US government sent military personnel to the Island and other Pacific islands to test hydrogen bombs. One such bomb, Jughead, was brought to the Island, but the Others attacked the soldiers before Jughead could be detonated.

hey "i need a compass", this is from Lostpedia:

"Richard Alpert gave Locke a compass, instructing him to give it back to him the next time Locke saw him. ("Because You Left") When Locke time traveled to 1954, he gave the compass to Richard in order to prove he was from the future. ("Jughead")

This scenario might appear to present a paradox involving an endless loop of the compass through time. However, the mechanics of the compass's time travel can work like that of the characters' in the show, following a non-recursive path through time: The "younger" version of the compass is given to Locke in 2005. Richard either holds on to the time-traveled compass in 1954 (and two versions of it exist at the same time), or it gets destroyed; either way, the "younger" version will always be given to Locke."

Blowing up the H-bomb will stop the DI from messing with the power source that would have to be kept in check by Desmond's button pushing. 815 crashed because Des missed a button push. The bomb would kill the present 815ers and everyone else on Island '77 but the idea is that course correction would reset them to a time period where they don't crash but simply land in LA. With this plan, I fully expect Jack to fail, because Island course correction is bigger than Jack's wishes and because wiping the slate clean without any adverse consequences would be the lamest end to a series ever. If this is where the show goes with Jack, I think it will be difficult to redeem his character, because it will seem like he hasn't learned anything from the pain he's experienced over the last three years, including his daddy issues. It will seem like a cop out to life's challenges. I think he will eventually have a confrontation/interaction with Christian or something like it that will change his direction.

OK...first of all, just wanted to say that I bawled my effing eyes on on Scrubs! Its the end of an era. Anyway...on to Lost...I rely on this diary to help me understand the show. I usually don't catch things while watching it on TV, I have to come here to help me digest what I've just seen. This week I am utterly confused about how John and Miles can be both "in the past" and "in the present." How can they see themselves at a different point in time?!?! There have got to be ramifications from that.

i'm still a little confused, dave, but less so now. thanks.

This was brought up in an earlier post but, the one thing that makes me believe that Locke is not Locke, that he is actually possessed by Jacob, is that in last night's episode, Ben is shocked when Locke tells Ben that he knows that Ben has never seen Jacob. Just a thought.

I was also annoyed by Radzinsky BIG TIME. Anyone think they sent him to the hatch because he was annoying as all hell?

2nd question, how did Radzinsky escape the purge? Could he be another candidate for being an undercover other? i dont' think he is, but I can't figure out why he survived. Do we know of anyone else with Dharma who survived the purge (besides Ben and Ethan?)

When Locke said that he was going to kill Jacob, I think he may have meant it figuratively, but I feel like I'm on thin ice with this theory.

Seeing what a psychotic ass Radz is I no longer feel bad about him getting trapped in the hatch whatsoever.

I see him ending up there as a result of his own self-preservation. There is some fight over the H-bomb and Raz is convinced it goes off when it doesn't.

man did Radzinsky have that "Absolute Power corrupts" look.. there was a werid light in his eyes...

i like to think Sayid was still trippin balls when he saves Kate... but it wears off....

i have a feeling jack does detonate the h-bomb but something to do with the island's natural electromagnetism chanel's the blast away from the island killing off some but not all of the islands inhabitants. since the bomb is underground maybe it opened a gap in the island's crust where the electromagnetic power could grandually build up over time...making the hatch necessary. all i could think of last night is thats why kelvin and des were instructed to wear haz-mat suits, but no one told them the air was clear yet. so if this is correct then the h-bomb detonating could be part of WHH.

thinking along these lines i did a quick search using both hydrogen bomb and electromagnetism and came up with this article...can one of you smarties check out the part under "The Nuclear EMP Threat" & let me know what you think?

http://science.howstuffworks.com/e-bomb.htm/printable

If two versions of Locke and Miles can exist in the same time period, so can the compasses. I don't see Richard carrying two compasses, and I don't understand who owned the compass to begin with.

I started laughing hysterically when it seemed Kate got shot! Why did Sayid have to save Kate?

@Melissa... are u the down Melissa??.. if so.. youll know what i mean... b-day soon....

Some have indicated that detonating a hydrogen bomb would kill everyone on the island. Maybe not...How large is the island...check out the diagram on this link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Abombdamage1945.svg

'54 - Locke gives Richard the compass
'60's - Richard tests young Locke, but Locke picks the knife

2007- Locke gives Richard a compass. Richard gives injured Locke a different compass?

huh?

haha was ALSO hoping KAte was down for the count since she wasn't going to make a difference for Daniel (or so it appears) lol
LOVE LOVE LOVE Richard!
Chang really got Hurley that was too funny!
Submarine made us all LOAO. SO BAD! Felt like I was watching Poseidon Adventure circa 1970's.
Pet Semetary Locke! HAHA
He really was starting to creep me out. I don't like the new Locke.

My husband called out on Miles and Locke both being in the same place at the same time - thought it wasn't possible. Of course Sawyer saw himself too.
I also thought that Eloise was pregnant and wondered about the paternity... " Loved Richard's "guy" type answer that love is complicated.

I check out a few websites all about "Lost" and I found this post by "TheUnknownMan" on DharmaSecrets:

"Jacob is some person hooked up to tons of machinary keeping him alive. He is a super psychic of some sort and he uses his mind to control things on the island. His mind energy is kept in the shack area, quarantined in the salt ring. His body is somewhere in a lab or hospital facility on island. That is why he hates technology. Because he is imprisoned in his life at the lab. John must find "the man behind the curtain", the real Jacob, and kill his physical body to release him.

Just a thought."

This could explain a lot of strange things, such as Locke saying the island told him when to be at the Beechcraft at the right time, etc.

Again, from Dharma Secrets: "TV Guide has a new report about the LOST Season 5 Finale that confirms we will see some "dead" characters return.

The dead will walk again in Lost's two-hour season finale on May 13. Michael Emerson, who plays Ben Linus, tells me, “We see some people from the past. It keeps us speculating why certain people seem to be holding on and revisiting the living in some interesting ways.”

Terry O’Quinn--whose John Locke is one of the undead, says the finale will help explain why John, as well as Jack’s father, Christian, came back to life on the island. “Someone thought they’d be useful,” teases O’Quinn. “Someone is using Locke to their ends.”"

as for radzinsky taking the leadership role, maybe the DI heirarchy has different heads and radzinsky is in charge when there are security threats.

the leadership role, maybe the DI heirarchy has different heads and radzinsky is in charge when there are security threats.

Could Locke actually be the Island? maybe the island inhabited locke's body and is gettin some revenge on jacob?

hmmmm

@Dave 3:29 hey that plays in with my theory that daniel is brought back by the island but has to be hooked up to the elctromagnetism like a pacemaker! man it would be cool if one of my outlandish theories were true

was kelvin who found Des a DI or an other?

Anyone else a fan of "Fringe"? I notice some cross-pollination between the two shows, such as Oceanic Air. I know JJ Abrams is the Executive Producer of that show, too, but I can't help but wonder if these two shows will merge someday.

Long time reader first time poster.
when Eloise and Charles were standing over Daniels body talking about making the trip to take Jack and Kate to the bomb it looked like Charles was touching her stomach and saying something.
I think she shot Daniel while she was pregnant with Daniel. Or am I just crazy and I've been prego myself a few too many times.

what's the episode where we learn about radzinsky and the hatch?

as for kate she should have just told jack the truth about helping sawyer's kid out. but apparently all that lying caused a lot of problems.

I felt for kate, but kate is only thinking of her love life not of all the people who died and NOT about claire who she supposedly went back to rescue.

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In the hatch, Des asks Kelvin what happened to
Radzinsky and Kelvin points
to a blood stain on the ceiling.

Also, I'm sure you've all heard they cast a "Jacob" a few weeks ago for his back story...CAN'T WAIT

And it was sad to see Scrubs go last night

@hydrogen girl

rememember when sun and lapidus used the boat to get to the main island and everything looked really creepy and run down? maybe the bomb did go off and what we are seeing of 2007 (locke and richard) are what happens AFTER the bomb exploded 30 years earlier. maybe richard saw the losties die in that blast (or thinks he did?)

that might be why the losties were sent to different time periods - jack kate and hurley to accomplish act I and locke to accomplish act II of the same play

IMO: Richard = first mate and Jacob = ghost captain of Black Rock. Now, are Smoky and Jacob the same thing? Although Smoky can conjure the dead, I think that they are not the same entity.

Who's been manipulating whom? We saw Smoky behind Christian in cracked out Dharmaville. Christian got bone-protruding Locke to turn the FDW. Locke already had the knowledge from Richard that he had to die to bring people back. Undead Locke told Richard to tell pre-dead Locke this. All so dead Locke could rise to supposedly kill Jacob.

So...either this is A) Smoky's convoluted way of killing Jacob. Or, B) Locke isn't really going to kill Jacob but is really playing Ben and Richard for something we don't understand.

Hard to say because pre-dead Locke has seen both Smoky and Jacob, and has seemingly been accepted by both. Whereas Ben has only faced Smoky but has somehow worked for both.

@glee

Sounds interesting and possible. It gives me a headache trying to figure this out. I just hope when it is said and done, I understand it all.

This blog entry sucked. You act like you didn't like the episode and gave us no insight and then you gave it a B+? I enjoyed these insightful diaries in the past but now they're not even worth the time.

T = lame. Go somewhere else. Start your own blog then.

So...if Locke is merely a vessel for the Island now, why did Sun have to go to the mini-island to get information from smoke-filled Christian? Why wouldn't New Locke just fill her in?

one of the first things that came to my mind when i saw last night's episode was, if Sawyer and Kate really do make it back to the U.S. in 1977, they may be able to make some major changes in their lives. For example, how old was Sawyer in 77? Would it be possible for him to kill Anthony Cooper before his mother was conned? This would change the course of his entire life, and would also prevent Locke from having to meet his father and lose his kidney. Or, if the con has already been carried out, he could find his young self, tell him that he is "Mister Sawyer" and apologize, or give some type of closure so that he wouldn't end up going on a killing spree when he grew up. Similarly, Kate could get Wayne out of the picture so that she would never have to kill him, never have to go on the run. Thoughts?

ssarah badara - LOL! You're 'hunk o burnin Christian Love'!! I thought of you when I wrote that! :)

so if Sawyer, Juliet, and Kate make it back to the U.S. wont there be 2 of them then since they all already exist in 1977?

Will someone please help me out with what appears to me to be an error in timeline?

Last ep when Farraday was shot by Ellie he accuses her of always knowing that she would shoot him/he would die, but I'm not understanding how that's possible. When he is shot it's in his present and her past, I get that. BUT, when she sent him away earlier in the year to go on the freighter, he was still alive in HIS present. Not until he was shot would she realize in her present that Daniel had died in her past because she shot him. (Just like how Desmond didn't have the present-day "memory" of the past convo with Farraday until it occurred in Farraday's present/Desmond's past.

So how could she have known she would have killed him when she sent him to the freighter if it hadn't occurred in Farraday's past yet??

First, I'd like to respond to "Austin Wendy", who's son is a Harry Potter fan and talked about the time- shifter thingy. I got the same Harry Potter vibe when everyone was talking about various dead souls "inhabiting" Jacob's body, as if he needed them to stay alive. VERY reminiscent of Lord Voldemort in Harry Potter....
Second, I used to like Kate's character, but it seems that since she left Aaron at home she's just gone dopey and useless. There is no trace of the strong Kate we used to love.
I also have to agree with those who said there's NO chemistry between Sawyer and Juliet...and I still believe she is hiding something, or is very significant to the story in some way...
And finally, you just have to love the line spoken by Ben to Locke in the jungle while witnessing Richard taking the bullet out of Locke's leg: "This must be a very out-of-body experience for you John!"

i just wanted to point something out that a friend of mine mentioned to me today. it might have been covered b4, but here goes.

We were musing about all the ancient egyptian-esc stuff throughout the show. the hyroglyphs in the swan station counter, the hyroglyphs in the temple, and she mentioned richards use of eye-liner. and then she hit me with a biggie. Richard's initials are R & A. Ra, the sun god. Thought that was pretty cool. Could be nothing, but you never know.

The map that Sawyer draws is used later when John searches for it throught the dead people in the pit.

Where are the other people that that landed on the 2nd plane crash w/Kate, etc?

Jacob asked John to help me so I think John is on that mission.

Has everyone just forgot that the island both healed Locke's paralysis and brought him back from the dead? He's clearly important to the island, whether or not he's the "true" leader of The Others.

And he didn't "self appoint" himself as the leader, the genius thing is because of the time travel no one did.

Locke told Richard in 1954 that he was the leader because Richard told Locke in the present day he was the leader because Locke told Richard in 1954 he was the leader...etc. ad infinitum.

That's what we call a "causal loop" folks. And if you really want to hurt your brain, try to figure out who "made" the compass. Psst.....nobody.

Locke gave it to Richard who gave it to Locke who gave it to Richard...etc. again endlessly repeatable.

That's why Jack is either going to fail in stopping "The Incident" or be the cause of it. Not just because these "causal loops" must stay intact to maintain the integrity of the space time continuum on the show, but because the writers will be unleashing the ultimate can of worms on themselves if they start creating "tangent" timelines, also known as alternate realities, from divergent choices made by the characters. Once you do that you effectively eliminate "cause and effect" on the show because every alternate choice creates another divergence from the timeline, creating not one destined fate for the characters but a literal infinity of possible ones, ultimately rendering the finale of the show pointless.

Thank you I'm here all week.

peace.

Plus, Locke is not a "dick", he is merely in the position that Ben and Richard had occupied up until this point. That is to say he is now "The character who knows the most" on the show.

I mean after the "magnificent bastard" Ben has been since his debut in the second season, don't you think he deserves to have the tables turned on him? Don't you realize how much Locke has suffered to get to this point? The man was paralyzed and he DIED! Give the guy a break! Jesus.

Ok - so I haven't seen any comments on this - doesn't anyone question the whole idea of the 'tunnels'? They seem extremely extensive and really this is the first that we have seen them in use. Is there a map of them online? It seems that this helps explain how the hostiles/others could easily move around unnoticed by the DI and the O815 group. Richard seemed the most familiar with them - maybe he was around when they were built? and how did they know where to build them and not accidentally drill somewhere like the Swan or Orchid and release a pocket of energy?

Regarding the tunnels, when Ben needed to 'wake up' the monster, he went into a tunnel form his house. How was it that his particular house was built in that exact location? The bomb is also in the same location that Ben visited the monster a few episodes back.

Not sure if anyone has brought this up yet..... but all this time travel stuff.. it finally occurred to me... We might finally learn who those bodies were from the first season in the cave that they got their water from.
You know they found those 2 skeletons?
You think maybe it's the bodies of our losties?

Good point - and the place they were last night in the tunnels when they came out of the water looked a lot like where Ben was when he saw the smoke monster/Alex a few weeks back...

@LisaL - I thought the theory was that they were Rose and Bernard. We havent seen them in a long time - since before the flashes

the actress that plays rose is on the new southland show as well as Phil who slapped juliet
the tunnels are referenced on the blast door map - CV (cerebus vents) is how they are referenced

Kate came on the island in handcuffs and is now leaving on the sub in handcuffs. Hmmm somethings never change.

Ahhh...Rose is alive! She's on Southland talking about taking a leap of faith!

I enjoyed the Lost episode last night and am pumped for the finale next week, but i want to take this time to recall what you mentioned at the beginning of the episode review and that was Scrubs. One of my favorite shows on TV and if you ask me, one of the best finales ever. The way J.D. walked down the hall with all the characters he's encountered through his time at Sacred Heart and then the "future" movie that played on his "Goodbye J.D." sign reminded me of why I will miss this show so much. Its the most off the wall comedy I can remember but it also has the ability to truly tug at the heart strings. Its the perfect way to end the series and I really hope ABC does the right thing and let's it ride into the sunset the way it did

scrubs was corny corny corny. good riddance

Long time lurker, first time commenter. I love Daniel's summary of the episode, and even more, I love all the comments I read here which always point out things I hadn't necessarily thought of.

Anyway my one current theory is that Richard was an ancient Egyptian mummy/dead pharaoh - whose body was on board the Black Rock, maybe looted from a museum or something. Every one of the vehicles that have crashed/crash-landed at the island had at least one dead body on board (Christian, Locke). Why not the Black Rock. Many people assume that the island/Jacob uses dead bodies as vessels and I think Richard might have been one of, if not THE, first. We know he doesn't age, we know he's been an 'advisor' for a really, really long time, and it would make sense with the Egyptian/eyeliner theories floating about.

The fact that the 'exit' in Tunisia also makes me think that there is much to be said of the Ancient Egypt theory. What exactly that may be remains to be seen...

I'm already so sad for the end of the season next week but at the same time, I'm very excited for (what I hope to be) a double-length episode.

YES OF COURSE RICHARD WAS ON THE BLACK ROCK THATS WHY WIDMORE WANTED THE FIRST MATES LOG SO BADLY

There is obviously some bad blood between Widmore and Richard, pretty much since at least the 70s (possible love triangle?) and they HAVE known each other since the 50s. Widmore would know Richard is 'special' as he never ages. The log book would certainly give Widmore some confirmation of who and what was on that boat... but if Richard was dead, his name probably wouldn't be in the log as a first mate.

I'm also thinking that the men in Jack's family have all inhabited the body of, or BEEN, Jacob. There's obviously some sort of repetitive cycle going on and Christian and even Ray know too much to be secondary characters. Also the fact that Claire has been taken in by Christian. Not only because she is his daughter, but the Shepherd bloodline has always been involved with the island in one way or another. Just a theory, though. I have a lot of them! ;-)

locke was awesome in this episode. he finally not taking orders from anyone. i dont think it's arrogance like others suggested. he's their leader yet alpert calls the shots..hell no! and the 3 asians and a fat man scene was great. hurley is hilarious and miles/father was a tearjerker lol. i'm glad lost uses asian actors cuz i don't think i ever seen 3 asians on a tv show acting together..ever. can't wait for next week.

and please pardon my grammatical errors. lol i'm typing in a awkward position. great point on the widmore/hawkin belly rub. didn't notice that.

2nd question, how did Radzinsky escape the purge? Could he be another candidate for being an undercover other? i dont' think he is, but I can't figure out why he survived. Do we know of anyone else with Dharma who survived the purge (besides Ben and Ethan?)

Posted by: SamIAm | May 7, 2009 02:43 PM

@SamIAm, Radzinsky survived because he was in the hatch during the Purge (12.19.1992). The Others did not know the location of the Swan. Yes they knew of it, thru the video feeds at the Pearl, but not its location.

Radzisnky and Kelvin both survived the Purge, it was Kelvin who found Desmond and brought him into the hatch.

@Dave - really? Mind separated from body? That's so, well, STAR TREK... from the 1960s.

I'd be very disappointed if that's all Jacob is. Not original, not clever...

@ tg @ 11:58 AM:

I totally agree! I felt that Daniel had been going over things repeatedly, that is until they killed him!? Now I'm confused!

In the first part of "The Variable" I felt like Daniel was using his journal as a guide. For ex, when he went to see Chang he looked through his journal, and then said something like "he'll be here any minute".

@Mr. Factual. I thought Kelvin came to the island post-purge, but I guess it could have right before the purge. in 90-91, Kelvin was teaching Sayid how to torture.

@Miss Smith,
Ignore Desmond / Faraday connection for a second. If something happened to you on Day X, then you can remember it every day Y > X. Eloise kills a guy in 1977 that she learns is her son. From 1977 on, in her linear time stream, she knows she killed her son. It's that simple.

The question is how did the Faraday - Desmond connection work. The best I can think (granted the writers didn't just work themselves into a corner and need a quick out) is that Desmond did previously know that he met Faraday, but he had forgotten. The island helped him remember. Note that this did not occur in parallel linear time. To Faraday, it was like 1-2 days after the island was moved, to Desmond, it was 3 years later.

@ compass - I don't know if you are still confused or if this helps, but.....

2007 Locke gives Richard the compass and tells him to give it to time traveling Locke

2007 - we see Richard give the compass to time traveling Locke

1954 - time traveling Locke gives Richard the compass

1956 - Richard sees Locke as a baby

196??? - Richard visits Locke as a young boy and asks him to pick 3 things that are his...one being the compass

Good morning everyone.

So that just got me thinking... Are any of the flashbacks really flashbacks? Or just the show out of sequence. Someone mentioned this the other day and I'm sorry I can't remember who so I can give you credit, but in one of the presumed flashbacks, Kate has to get to the security deposit box to get the toy plane. that person thought maybe the plane was her constant and I'm wondering if they are on to something...or at least it represents the timetravel and island/815 experience and serves as a reminder?

Does anyone remember the name of the science camp that Richard tried to get Locke to go to in highschool?

Radzinsky is apparently taking over for Horace at this point. The Hatch is not built yet, so we know DI gets their act together at least long enough to built it. The Others might not have known the location of The Swan, but wouldn't Ben have known about it?

Do we know how long Radzinsky was dead b4 Des showed up? Have we seen Kelvin w/Radzinsky yet?

@Jenn3 - Lostpedia only says that Locke is invited to Mittelos Labratories' special summer camp.

by the way, good morning. Missed you yesterday!

Wow! Kinda glad I wasn't on last night, some snippy people.

@ cara - I don't think Ben would have known about it. I think only the "circle of trust" knew its location, Radzinsky was real uptight about any other random people knowing.

We don't know for sure if the Swan gets built. Radzinsky while beating up Sawyer said they were supposed to break ground in 20 hours. But then again, they only shuttled off the women and children so I guess its possible it would still get built.

Ok - I watched the episode and I liked it. First, it's about time Locke stood up for himself. I liked him telling them what to do because they've been stringing him along for the last 4 seasons. And as he said, if I'm leader - then let me lead. I loved it when they played their signature music - while all the others followed Locke down the beach.

Richard never ages. Maybe he was the "first" Christian/Locke, he died and the island brought him back to life.

@ Jenn3

Maybe I'm confusing my names of stations. Isn't The Swan the hatch?

I'm wondering if Eloise made Daniel study all those physics, etc. so she could perhaps CHANGE the outcome of her killing him or ensure that her son grows up with the knowledge that was intended for him – to alter time travel, etc. Maybe, that’s why Daniel said “You Knew”, meaning at her older age – she knew what was going to happen through Daniels book that she obtained while she was younger. She could of have just given him a brand new one to start his writings from a beginning, AGAIN. To see what happens this time around. It's complicated - but what I'm saying is that if she was pregnant when she murdered her future son, and in doing so obtained his book from the future with the knowledge of time travel, etc., then she knew she had to bring up the son in her stomach to have that same knowledge. That’s why she deprived him of fun, girls, etc. because she knew he had a greater destiny install. It’s like she knows what’s going to happen in the future because it’s ALL in Daniels book that she obtained in HER past from the future Daniel before he is even born. Now she knows what the future will be to a certain point – the point where she said – “I don’t know what happens after this point”. The point where Daniel is on the island and didn’t get a chance to write what happened because he’s experiencing it right now.

Thanks CAM...I saw that apparently you and Mr. Factual work with me! LOL

So, that got me thinking that Mittleos Laboratories existed in the 60's early 70's, which is before or right around when DI went to the island. I'm not sure where I am going with this, but something is bothering me about it.....

@ cara - yes, the Losties called it the Hatch, but DI named it the Swan, but they are the same structure.

tg, interesting! I can follow that.

However, I did still get the feeling that even Daniel was using his journal as a guide to what was going to happen next b/4 he was killed.

As to Penny's paternity. I have thought for a long time that Eloise was her mum, but I can't quite wrap my mind around the time line. I'm stuck on how/when Eloise leaves the island. We know Widmore is on-islad until Ben is an adult, and that he is banned b/c of his relationship w/someone off-island. Maybe Eloise is sent away b/c of "the incident" since she is preggers w/Daniel?

As for people leaving the island, do we know how Richard comes and goes? The only way we've seen people leave the island are through the portal (by turning the wheel) and the sub. If the Hostiles haven't taken over Darmaville yet then they don't have use of the sub. So how did Richard go visit John as a kid? And if Eloise is taken off-island, how does she leave?

Man oh man, I watched this episode again and now have some crazy thoughts running around inside my head.

So LOST started with flashbacks, giving us depth on a lot of the characters. Then they snuck in flashforwards on us, quite the reveal. Then we get some time travel to the past and a bunch of it. Then they sneak in a bit of time travel to the future on us. But I haven't seen or read many posts here or elsewhere that are going nuts about this new developement.

There is something big hidden in this future travel, but I cant quite put my finger on it. Currently driving me nuts trying to figure it out...

Anyone else get the vibe there is something huge about future time travel?

@ Mr. Factual - I'm with ya! (just not at work) Earlier this morning I posted that I was wondering if they were really flahbacks and flashforwards or is is more like the Godfather, where they show the sequence of events out of order and then some brilliant person combined Godfather 1 & 2 and you see it all in sequence.....

@Mr Factual -- Are you talking future as in beyond 2007?

@jaytch, I am thinking back to when Locke was in 2004 and skipping, right before he turned the wheel. At that moment, we were in his present time of 2004, but we saw him flash to the FUTURE, as it was revealed in this episode, Richard helped him in 2007.

@Jenn3, I think I am headed to a Faraday type mental breakdown trying to figure this out. :)

Ok, here it goes, Free Willers please chime in... Is the FUTURE predetermined? Whatever happens, will happen... I am not ready to call this a theory, just a thought..

Rewind it back to when Locke & Co were skipping around in time, before Locke turned the wheel. At this point, 2004, we are in Locke's present. He goes backwards and gets shot by Ethan, he then gets flashed forward in time, to what we now know is 2007. Richard comes out of nowhere precisely at the right time to help him. Locke says something to the effect of, how did you know I was shot? Which Richard says, you told me. Locke says he didn't, Richard says you will...

How does future (2007) Locke know to send Richard to help present (2004) Locke? Does this imply that Locke's entire timeline is known, that everything he does is already laid out? Or is this some reverse Causal Loop?

@ Mr Factual |

Interesting thoughts, this time skip was the same one that Sawyer & Co. stumbled upon the Ajira boat and water bottles and were shot at, right? Hmmm... Locke said that the island told him when to be there... the island could be omnipresent and know past, present and future. Just because the island knows the choices you are going to make, doesn't mean you don't have the free will to make those choices.

This would explain why Widmore said to John...I don't know why Richard would tell you you have to die to get them back, that conversation between Locke and Richard hadn't happened yet. Essentially, Locke told Locke he had to die.

@ CAM, I'm not sure if it was the same time. I mean it was obviously 2007, but there were a few skips before they found the outriggers and they were the outriggers that Sun and Lapidus found, so, it was definitely after Ajira crashed

@CAM, thanks and funny you should mention that scene with Sawyer and the boat.

That is another scene that is YET to take place, so it is 2007 or later when that happens. Locke, Sawyer, Faraday, Charlotte, Juliet and Miles take the boat to shorten their journey to the Orchid, so Locke can turn the FDW.

Well those two boats with the Ajira airline water bottles, were on the MAIN island beach. We know 316 crashed on the other island, the Hydra island. As of yet, 316 folk (or Shadow group) has yet to venture over to the main island. So this scene will come into play some time soon, I believe...

whoops - meant the outriggers that Sun and Lapidus took to the main island. sorry

@ Mr Factual |

Ahhhh yes... hmmmm so maybe we will see the other side of that in the finale?

Where do the flying flaming Frogurt killing arrows come into play? Future or past?

@ CAM and MR. Factual - do you think this means that time traveling Sawyer always watched Kate deliver Aaron? What other scenes have we seen the other side of, i.e. time traveler side and real time side sorry for the crappy distinction...

1. Kate deliver Aaron
2. Locke and Richard
3. Time traveling Losties getting shot at (I know we haven't seen this yet, but probably will)

Or maybe another list is what scene would you like to see from the other side?

@CAM, that is what I am thinking, and we will probably see all of them in the boat again, similar to Locke seeing other Locke walk out of the jungle.

*** Wild, crazy, probably wrong but what the heck theory #1 ***

How ironic would it be if Juliet actually shoots and kills herself? She was on the outrigger, shooting back at unknown people who were shooting at them.

Now let's say somehow the people from 1977 get back to 2007, somehow the Incident or something else ripples time and puts them back in 2007. Kate, Sawyer, Juliet, and possibly Hurley, Jin and Miles end up on the beach and take the other boat. Maybe Jin fires a few shots not knowing who is in the lead boat, then fire is returned and kills someone on the boat, Juliet kills Juliet...

Crazy, yes, I told you I was losing my mind... Wait til you see theory #2 reagrding Locke...:)

mlm - it was 1954 because when they caught Widmore he said all of the Losties were probably dead because Sawyer yelled out to meet at the creek during the flaming arrows.

*** Wild, crazy, probably wrong but what the heck theory #1 ***
Posted by: Mr Factual | May 8, 2009 07:27 AM

You are only at #1?? haha, I think I am on #567

@CAM, most mine fall under *wild crazy arse theory #?" and I am up to 2,342 of those.:)

This is my new group, the ones even I don't know if I believe...

yeah, I will say that theory is pretty crazy. But I do want to see the 2 time groups come back together, I mean Jin and Sun are boring looking for each other... I like them together.

@Jenn3, oops sorry I missed your above question while trying to remove my straightjacket.

In my opinion, yes Sawyer always was there watching Kate help deliver Aaron with Claire. How frickin' cool would it be if we went back and watched that episode in season 1 and actually saw Sawyer hidden in some cover? I am guessing it doesn't exist, as LOST fans have some killer eye sight, but man that would be incredible.

As far as I can tell, the only scene/time from the skipping left to be revealed is the outriggers scene. At least from the current 2007 timeline Locke is in...

Remember when Juliet taser'd Saywer?
aw good times.

P.S.

don't watch LOST and Red Dwarf (back to Earth) on the same day, it does funny things to yur mind!

OK, So I have a theory on what exactly we are viewing on the show.... I am going to try and get this out the best I can, but I am not sure how to say this clearly. I think that what we as viewers are watching is events unfolding as they did AFTER the time travel happened, even when we were watching season 1. I think everything that happened with the Losties is what happened as a result of their time travel and everything we are watching now. This is slightly different from whatever happened happened, because I don't think these characters ALWAYS were in 1954, 1974, 1988, etc. but I think what we are viewing is a result of this happening. In other words, we have never seen what happened when they didn't time travel so we don't know any other way it can be, even though it could have been different.

I hope that makes sense to someone.

I think that Jacob is living inside of John.

@ CAM - That was kinda what I was trying to say before....we are just seeing it all out of sequence like the Godfather

@ Jenn3 | May 8, 2009 06:26 AM

I am curious about Mittelos as well. Richard seems to be able to come and go as he pleases. The Hostiles/Others seem to lead a simple existence however, it seems that they have elaborate scemes off the island. Since Dharma is not on the island anymore when Juliet is recruited by Richard and Ethan, who exactly are they working for? They bring her to the island originally much like we see new recruits coming to the island with Dharma, being drugged and taken on the sub. hmmmm... I have no theory, but this is not adding up.

@ Jenn3 | May 8, 2009 07:52 AM

Yes! Except in the godfather I don't think there was the added element of time travel but I think you are picking up what I am putting down.

I laughed so hard - when Kate ended up on the sub with Juliet and Sawyer. That was a classic move on Lost' part. I guess we know that doesn't last from next week's scenes, but I got to give it to them on that one. And Hurley was great, as always. He's a gentle giant.

Okay so DI was created in 1970 and somewhere between 1970 and 1972 the DI gets to the island. (according to the lostpedia timeline, Ben and Roger arrive on island in 1972)

Then it says this:

1972/73"Cabin Fever" Spring

16-years-old and in high school, John Locke is beat up and stuffed in a locker. While counseling him, his teacher, Mr. Gellert informs John that Mittelos Bioscience has offered him an opportunity to go to science camp in Portland. John staunchly refuses to go to science camp and storms out on Gellert.

So I guess we don't know if it was Richard when Locke was in highschool. We assumed because Mittelos was the same company that recruited Juliet.

It seems weird that Richard would have been recruiting people in the 70's when they were pissed off that outsiders were on island, but maybe it was a cover....and they just wanted Locke or maybe it wasn't Locke at all. I mean why all the smoke and mirrors (pun intended) by Richard to get Locke to the science camp, when before he just showed up in person? Maybe I am imagining this, or going down a rabbit hole here, but something doesn't add up.

Also, remember how Juliet wished her ex would be hit by a bus and he was.....

@ CAM - yes, minus the time traveling. I don't think Vito ever turned the FDW

This is what I said earlier....@ Mr. Factual - I'm with ya! (just not at work) Earlier this morning I posted that I was wondering if they were really flahbacks and flashforwards or is is more like the Godfather, where they show the sequence of events out of order and then some brilliant person combined Godfather 1 & 2 and you see it all in sequence.....

Posted by: Jenn3 | May 8, 2009 06:40 AM

To anyone who is interested....lostpedia has a timeshift timeline

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline:Time_shifts

I think Jack and others are going to cause the catastrophe instead of stopping it because that is their MO. They screw things up – always.

From Lostpedia:

"When John was sixteen, he received an offer from Mittelos Laboratories to come to their "summer camp," but Locke refused as his love of science had made him the subject of bullying and teasing. His teacher, Gellert, mentioned speaking to a Dr. Alpert about the opportunity, but Locke said he was more interested in sports and recreational activities, to which Gellert said Locke could not do those things. Locke responded with "Don't tell me what I can't do." ("Cabin Fever")"

So it was Richard who tried to recruit John.

I guess I didn't read that very well.. Please disregard the first half of my last post. Sorry for being so brain dead.

So now it really doesn't sit right with me.

@Jenn3 - I am right there with you. I don't understand Richard at all. And now I don't understand Mittelos or the Others.

AHHH!!!! Now I'm even more confused than I was when I finished watching the show on Wednesday!

Jenn3 and CAM, good catch on the science camp. I hadn't noticed that before. Why is Richard recruiting in 1972? Ben hasn't defected form the DI yet, so that means Richard had contact w/Locke b4 he had contact w/Ben? Or was it really after b/c of the time travel changes?

Forget selling LOST T-shirts, I think it is time to roll out a line of straightjackets.

from lostpedia on the Mittelos Bioscience page:

'Mittelos' anagrams: The producers confirmed in the 02/12/07 Podcast the anagram they had hinted at is indeed Mittelos / "Lost Time". On the season 3 blu-ray the producers claimed we will learn how this relates to the Others time off the island.

@ Jenn3 | May 8, 2009 08:12 AM

Thanks for the link, that really helps.

@ Mr Factual | May 8, 2009 08:33 AM

Yeah and we will all end up at Santa Rosa!

you mean you guys don't already have one? I ran out and bought during the first season when I thought they were on a random island with dinosaurs and polar bears.

Has everyone just forgot that the island both healed Locke's paralysis and brought him back from the dead? He's clearly important to the island, whether or not he's the "true" leader of The Others.
Posted by: Xibok | May 7, 2009 07:09 PM

Sorry, catching up from yesterday - if the only reasoning for Locke being special and deserving of being the "leader" is that the island healed him, then Rose is just as deserving of being a leader since the island healed her as well.

Oh yeah and Locke is back from the dead but so is Christian. And numerous others were saved from certain death. I am not convinced that Locke is an island-appointed leader. Self-made leader in my book (and a bad one at that)

I have to agree, at least in part, with you CAM re: Locke nominated and appointed himself...but wait a minute.....oh no, I feel a nose hemorage coming on....

Richard seems kinda clueless about time travel...at least he did in this episode. He knew Ben turned the wheel, but didn't understand the flash or where Locke went to. Seemed like he didn't know what the FDW would do. So, that would have to mean that he doesn't remember or know about Locke's 1954 conversation with him. So therefore....did Locke appoint himself leader? Do you see what I'm saying?

Before I totally felt like Locke told Richard he would be leader so Richard believed he would be the leader. But it seems like Richard has no recollection of that in 2007.

I know Mr. Factual will probably disagree...and maybe everyone else will too, but its like there are 2 separate timelines....the clueless timeline and the other timeline. I mean even if Locke didn't remember seeing Richard when he was a young boy, wouldn't he have remembered the compass?

@Jenn3, am I that transparent? lol!!

I wonder if Richard is simply playing dumb about it. Eloise recalled in exact detail her run in with Faraday in 1954, so why wouldn't Richard recall his conversation with Locke? But then he does recall it when Sawyer walks out to meet him at Dharma camp in 1974.

I kind of get the feeling Richard knows something is different with Locke and is being really careful at what he says. Almost like he is testing Locke in a way, to see if his memories are the same.

Just opinion of course, as I too am a little confused with Richard and his actions.

I have seen on here a few times where "Locke told Richard to visit him as a baby" or something like that. I don't remember that...can someone refresh me as to when Locke told him to visit? Thanks.
V

I can see Richard being devious enough to pretend he's following along with Locke. I don't think Richard has been around this long b/c he jumps on-board with any plan someone comes up with. Especially someone he knows so little as John. I think he's just playing along at this point. Maybe he'll lead John into a trap when he is supposedly taking him to Jacob.

Another thought I had about John, it the island is telling him what to do now, why doesn't he KNOW where Jacob is?

@V, when Locke was skipping in time (like Sawyer, Juliet, Miles, etc.) they captured young Widmore. After letting him escape, Locke tracked him back to the Others camp. Locke walked up to Richard in 1954 and told him Richard sent him, to be the leader of the Others.

After asking Richard what year it was, 1954, he said he (Locke) would be born in 2 years and for Richard to come visit him.

Ah..thanks Mr F! Figures that it was this season...it's been the hardest season for me to keep everything straight!

Mr. F, love your theory about FUTURE TIME; my only question is, where does Eloise's statement to Penny in the hospital fit in, when she says something along the lines of, "this is the first time in a long time that i don't know what will happen next..."

the island is definitely connected to locke somehow for him to have done all he has done so far. jacob asked for him to help him. saved his life by sending a vision of walt to not kill himself but get up and keep going... i don't think christian would be aiding someone that didn't have the best interest of the island and people in mind. i dunno JMO

he was a bit sassy but come on the dude was about to kill himself for the cause then killed by ben...he is allowed to have some attitude for all his sacrifice...

i loved ben's comment about how the island didn't tell him where jacob was. like two kids fighting over their parents attention. too cute.

miles gets to find out his daddy does love him but had no other choice but to save him. what happens to chang? we know he loses his arm but does he go in the purge?

why would kate leave the island on the sub if she wants to find claire. that doesn't make any sense. i understand she doesn't want the past erased but she seems to be giving up too easily.

sawyer's comment - good riddance you can tell was forced. he sighed right afterward knowing that he won't be able to remain off island as a good guy. it isn't his nature - even after killing cooper and having revenge. he won't be able to forget and it will haunt him like it did everyone else that left.

i love ben and richard discussing ole locke being too big for his britches. he is definitely testing ben about killing jacob. he is trying to find out something.

gosh i love this show!

i absotootly loved hurley getting tripped up by the chang questions. so simple but yet doing backwards math that quick is tricky. and the president. awesome - hurley should have paid attention in history class.
loves it

as for eloise maybe because now that they have gone back things will change and she doesn't know how them going back will affect things even though she lived what happened? huh

and so is john going to euthanize jacob? is he crying for help to be let go. alas jacob's ladder being caught somehow and something...
is ben going to have to do it? ben is holding a knife and locke is asking him if he can do this? what the?

and is richard hitting the wall where the magnetic activity is and detonating the bomb at the same time? uh seems like faraday would come in handy now

@Fanolost- your changing body explanations are very creative, but rather convoluted. I wish I understood them better. But they seem a bit like David's "mine separated from body".
I am no fan of Cartesian thought. I don't buy that a mind is at all separated from the senses or the body.

@V, you are welcome.

@AZWildcat, I haven't really looked into Eloise and her comment yet. And you did read my disclaimer right? LOL!:)

It is something about the future leaps which is just eating at me, but I cant put my finger on it. I need to digest it some more this weekend.

@Fanolost- your changing body explanations are very creative, but rather convoluted. I wish I understood them better. But they seem a bit like David's "mine separated from body".
I am no fan of Cartesian thought. I don't buy that a mind is at all separated from the senses or the body.

and is richard hitting the wall where the magnetic activity is and detonating the bomb at the same time? uh seems like faraday would come in handy now
i love sawyer telling jack he doesn't speak "destiny" like it is klingon or something (which didn't juliet reference?)

It's just too easy of an out.

so the future is written
by the survivors

???
frank asks what is in the box?
juliet knew once sawyer used the name freckles with kate it was game over

Richard yelling "there can be only one leader on the island" who is he yelling to?

jack asks kate if she is with him. she said in past always with him, but now???

I've been pondering the importance of Locke having to have Richard remove the bullet, and give him the "dying to save the everyone" instructions. If Richard doesn't make it in time, before John flashed, what would have been the effect. Present Locke would have disappeared, because the events from that point and after would have been altered? I can see where going BACK to the past and changing events, would effect everything after that...but this was an event that occurred in 2007, after the return to LA, and re-gathering of Oceanic 6, etc. etc. Now they've just opened the door, to where changing future events, changes the present, and the new future...wow

Just wanted to throw this out there about the idea that maybe Daniel and Penny are full siblings: No one has considered that maybe Daniel and Penny are fraternal twins, and Whidmore kept Penny and Eloise kept Daniel when they split up.

richard is a timeless just like highlander
he just rolls with it and does what he can to influence the outcome ...
he tried to get locke to go to the tent.
locke was hell bent on letting everyone know he was going to go to jacob and wanted everyone else to go with him.
i think locke is being as straight up as he can be.

he didn't lie to sun per se...
locke told her absolutely to her question.

so we know that the DI women and children must come back because they died in the PUrge...or is that in the other time line?

@ Mr. Factual - you are not transparent, just devoted to your opinion, which is a great thing...IMO. your opinion is probably more likely, but my only issue is that I never saw Richard to be like Ben, but I guess Ben learned it from someone.

@ Jenn3 |

Actually, I don't think they came back to die in the purge. If I am remembering correctly, there weren't too many women and children around for the purge.

azwild - I think Eloise doesn't know at this point what's going to happen because Daniel didn't write in his book anymore. I think she knew everything that was going to happen from the book she got from Daniel, when she shot the future him and he had all his notes with him from the past and present.

@ CAM - true, but wouldn't Horace have sent AMy and Ethan off the island with everyone else in this episode? But we know Ethan grew up on the island and paled around with Ben. I can't imagine Horace would have let them stay especially when Chang was shoving his wife and child into the sub. And wasn't Harper listed as DI? It makes me think they came back.

For Some reason "Victoria" I think Richard can watch and participate, but can't influence what's going to happen. He never really interferes with anything - he just goes with the flow. Even when he doesn't agree - he still goes with the flow - like he can't influence the outcome, but he can take part, watch and TRY to influence.

@ Jenn3 - maybe the others kidnapped ethan like they kidnapped alex? or amy is really an other?

@ CAM - are you seriously saying those options are more plausible than 2 separate timelines? LOL yeah, those sound more realistic...... **pop** bubble is burst :(

Mr Factual - I like your comment about the line of straightjackets instead of T-shirts. The more we try to figure something out - the more I get confused. Even when I type something -by the time I'm finished, I'm confused, myself. LOL

@Jenn3 - sorry I hate bursting bubbles! Mainly because I have had mine burst way too many times!

no problem CAM!

i don't think penny was eloise's daughter for the interaction would have been different at the hospital. penny has to be the daughter that widmore had off the island that ben referenced when he put widmore on the sub to be exiled.

Let me start off by saying that I apologize if this has already been posted.

Secondly, I think that everything that happened in last nights episode had already happened. My only proof is that Miles was watching his father yell at him and his mom to leave/evacuate. When we saw his mom on her death bed she told a similar story of him 'kicking them out.'
So...if they never had to evacuate (because Daniel never told them to before he went back) then why would Dr. Candle have done that originally? Does that make sense?!

Meaning...that although Daniel was trying to change the future, what he did is exactly what he had already done.

@ Jen - yeah, it makes sense, but playing devil's advocate...If the incident is when they break ground for the Swan, then maybe originally thats when they got sent off, but then again Chang wouldn't have had to force/yell at his wife to leave, so I guess I'm back thinking you could be right. ...which kinda brings me back to what CAM and I were talking about earlier are we have seen everything out of order...kinda like the Godfather movies and some day someone brilliant will put them all back in sequence. Miles (the one with his mom on her death bed) wouldn't know the real reason because he was baby Miles while time traveling Miles watched it happen.

I fear I may have demolished your original thought...sorry, I didn't mean to..basically I've just confused myself again.

LOL, I completely agree that everything is out of order and I am hoping that we'll actually see it play out correctly at some point.

Chang had no intention of leaving until Daniel came around so that would be why he yelled at them. And, since that happened in the '70's his mom would have remembered it that way on her death bed.

I guess the only real thing I know is that Daniel saved Miles' life. LOL

all the time stuff hurts my head to think about too much so i just focus on behavioral clues. oh my goodness what about that richard at the end coming around the corner in the tunnel with the torch. oh my what hotness -picked a good time in his life to stay at fer sure!

@tg, thanks and glad I am not the only one confusing themselves. I too wonder how the heck I am going to type all of what is in my head and have it make sense to anyone, confuse myself. :)

@Jenn3, thanks! I will ditch a bad opinion the minute I believe it is wrong, far from married to any of them.

As for Richard, I get the feeling for the first time in a long time he isn't in complete control or have excellent idea of what is going on. Maybe similar to Eloise, maybe there is a point for them where the future is unknown.

Richard, Eloise and even Widmore have been waiting 27-30 years, in their timeline, for this event to take place and send people back to the 70's. Watching them grow up, getting people where they are supposed to be, all in hopes of fulfilling this destiny. Maybe it is finally to the point where it is unknown to them?

Someone mentioned earlier that they think Richard may be involved with the Black Rock and I just LOVE that idea.

another interesting thing i noticed was when locke walked back to camp that he and richard had torches and ben didn't like it was symbolic or something...

Someone asked about the science camp for Locke and then someone responded it was Mittleos Laboratories. Can't help but when you unscramble "Mittleos" you get "lost time" or "time lost". Interesting, maybe?

jeanne - yes, the producers/writers have confirmed on one of the DVDs I think that this is the anagram they had in mind when coming up with the name Mittelos.

@Victoria

Loved Highlander...the TV series, not the movie. Thanks for that reference.

I am still on the thought that we will see Claire in the season finale. Locke has decided to go "kill" Jacob and where might Claire be? Oh yes, Jacob's cabin!!

Maybe Richard doesn't age b/c he was enbalmed when came to the island...

Does everyone agree that Jacob and the Smoke Monster are related to the same cause....if not part of the same entity? I bring this up, because of the discussion regarding Locke and his being a real "leader" of the Ohters. When Christians body crashed on the island, he came back to life, but in a really weird way. He didn't run to Jack and join the Losties on the beach and try to lead people. He made random, weird appearances, basically welcomed Claire to Life after Death and has a ghostly appearance.

Lockes dead body has seemed to come back with a purpose, as stated by Locke himself. But I also think that he is kind of changed. All the talk about bringing everyone to Jacob to oonfron him may be a ruse, just to gather everyone to a certain point. I'm not sure what is in store for all of them, but I don't think Locke is necessarily out for the good of everyone. I think he may be possessed by the same "Jacob demond" that possessed Christian.

I'm still digesting everyones comments. Great stuff guys...you all rock!

I remember reading someone's post talking about some kind of clash between Richard and Christian...this got me thinking. It's been a long time since we discussed "black and white" in relation to LOST. Richard has the jet black hair, plus the eyeliner...Christian's hair is white-ish grey-ish... Just thinking out loud, so to speak.

Do we know if Richard is aware of the Smoke Monster? Have they ever been seen together? What about Christian and Richard? Have they ever encountered each other?

I agree w/the people who say that Richard lost some of his mystique this past episode...I had him pegged as the "all-knowing" guide for the Others' leader. I guess he's not all that. I mean, he's not even aware of what happens to those who leave the island...I think Richard's role is more of custodian/caretaker and not that of a leader. Some time back a blogger described his as a kind of "priest." I agree. His power is more spiritual. I feel like he's the holder of spiritual island knowledge...Has anyone read The Giver? Mt girl suggessted that Richard is more or less the Giver...he's not the leader, but he holds a certain power and is necessary for the maintenance of the Others' existence... Any thoughts?

I remember reading someone's post talking about some kind of clash between Richard and Christian...this got me thinking. It's been a long time since we discussed "black and white" in relation to LOST. Richard has the jet black hair, plus the eyeliner...Christian's hair is white-ish grey-ish... Just thinking out loud, so to speak.

Do we know if Richard is aware of the Smoke Monster? Have they ever been seen together? What about Christian and Richard? Have they ever encountered each other?

I agree w/the people who say that Richard lost some of his mystique this past episode...I had him pegged as the "all-knowing" guide for the Others' leader. I guess he's not all that. I mean, he's not even aware of what happens to those who leave the island...I think Richard's role is more of custodian/caretaker and not that of a leader. Some time back a blogger described his as a kind of "priest." I agree. His power is more spiritual. I feel like he's the holder of spiritual island knowledge...Has anyone read The Giver? My girl suggessted that Richard is more or less the Giver...he's not the leader, but he holds a certain power and is necessary for the maintenance of the Others' existence... Any thoughts?

omg.. embalmed.. sheesh i need a drink!

Woah...sorry for the double post...

Almost forgot...Props to Daniel..."The Wire" was THE BEST show ever made...

Kruxoli, love the return of the importance of black and white...Do you think there is any significance to the Black Rock being black? Is there somewhere on the island that might be the "white" half of that equation?

i don't think Richard was ever on the Black Rock. i've always assumed that Richard was on the island already when the Black Rock got there, but that many of the "Others" (for example, Charles, Ellie, and all of the other people that were at Richard's camp back in 1954) were the descendants of the ship's crew.

Did I miss something or was Alpert in two places at once? With Locke and Jack - seperately? Or were they two different "times"? I skimmed the comments but didn't notice anyone else wondering about this.... so it's probably me.

@nen, two different times. In 1977 with Jack, Sayid and Eloise and in 2007 with Ben, Locke and Sun.

@cj, I am with you on Richard being on the island before the Black Rock. Not so sure about the Others being descendents of the Black Rock crew, but also not against it.

I was just thinking.. who determined that Widmore had to leave the island due to his illegitimate child? Was it Richard, ben or jacob? if it's Richard, i am willing to bet there is some love triangle going on and Richard just used that as an excuse to make Widmore leave so he coul dhave Ellie.

Has the older Mrs. Hawking mentioned Richard? I can't remember

@ AZ Wildcat:

Unfortunately, I got nothing...

I don't think Richard was from the Black Rock. I think Richard is MUCH older...like Egyptian older. I think Richard is the island's "custodian." I don't know where this puts Jacob, or what capacity he serves, but hopefully we'll find out next week.

Does anybody else think Jack is nuts? I mean, let's be honest here. If they detonate the H-Bomb, they're all gonna die. Why would Jack think that detonating the bomb will "flash" them back to '07? He's just gonna be a dead body in 1977. Yes, I realize that if Jack sets the bomb off, the possibility exists that the original Oceanic flight lands safe and sound...just without Jack on it...his carcass would be on the island...how illogical. Or am I off base here?

What if the H-bomb explosion blasts certain 815ers back to the future and that's why Richard thinks their dead? This would place Jack et al back to a "proper time". Jack and Christian have to reunite at some point. It's inevitable.

meanwhile nothing has changed, Jack has blasted them back, but they still crashed in '04

@ whatif:

Hmmm...I suppose the explosion could release an enourmous amount of energy causing them to flash...I don't really know if I like that, but it could happen...Good call.

Scrubs = lame; Wire = awesome

@ whatif:

And then Jack et al would be in a time loop...

what if they get blasted to 2007, therefore avoiding a loop, but the blast didn't change the past as Jack planned but merely fulfilled it? and then Lazarus Locke says to Jack, "ha, I told you so!"

@Kruxoli
no i agree. maybe a scientist under certain conditions could set up the situation to counter one another but how are they going to do it...richard banging the hell out of the wall and shooting at the H bomb? i am just having a difficult time with visualizing it.

thanks to Jenn3(?) for the compass chronology. the thing is, though, the origin of the compass isn't clear. i think if you follow it, it really starts with Locke in '07, but why does he have it? he was brought in the plane on a coffin, so where did he get it?

The compass goes from '07 Locke to '07 RA to injured Locke to '54 RA who holds onto it until present day...so does Locke tell Richard to give up his own compass or does Locke introduce a new compass? The first belongs to one serious time loop; the latter comes out of nowhere.

This is really driving me crazy.

Someone mentioned up there that Richard is like the Highlander. What if he is the Highlander? LOL!

And hey! The guy who played The Kurgan (Clancy Brown) played Kelvin Inman on Lost! I'm sensing a pattern here...

Next Episode: Richard, Ben and Locke draw swords (try not to think dirty people) at the temple. Richard -- "There can only be one."

Richard is the first mate of the Black Rock. Totally explains his role in relation to the Others hierarchy. And the fact that he was building an old timey ship in a bottle...C'mon!

Also, what if Richard is neither ghost nor immortal but simply is aging incredibly slowly due to the properties of the Island.

@ Victoria:

I agree. Jack's a doctor, but it's quite a stretch to think he's capable of detonating the bomb properly.

@ arrgh:

I feel like I agree w/you in re: Richard's aging, but how is he able to harness/employ those properties of which you speak, but no one else can? I think Richard, Christian, and Locke are all the same...Dead, but not really because the island brought them back. Only thing is, we've seen Richard off the island. We haven't seen Locke or Christian off the island since their "revival," so to speak.

@ CAM & Jenn3:

On the topic of the women and children, I don't think the sub makes it very far. They probably turn around. Plus, it's 1977...I KNOW someone's already done a timeline for these things. When was The Purge? When was The Incident?

To whoever poster about Daniel convincing Dr. Chang/Candle/Halliwax to evacuate. I posted on last week's entry about how no matter what actions the LOSTies take, the ends remain the same. Maybe Dr. Chang/Candle/HalliwaxALWAYS evacuated the island, due to one impetus or another. This time, Faraday made it happen...maybe in the "original" timeline Dr. Chang/Candle/Halliwaxordered an evacutation under different pretenses...or maybe the way we saw it happen is the way it always happened.

all -- have any of you seen the TV Guide for next week? V E R Y interesting quotes from O'Quinn and Emerson regarding finale!

It's obvious that Richard is from the Egyptian times with his eye liner. He is one of the Island's original people. I can't wait for a flash back of Richard and all the Egyptian influences on the Island. Also, I think Little Ben did die, and the Island did what it did and made him "different", just like Locke died and is now in Richard's words "different". Christian also died and is now running around the Island as well. Of Course Richard is dead and holding at the age he met his demize. Dead is Dead, except when it comes to Christian, Richard, Locke and Ben. They stay the same and will not age just as Richard does not age.

@Love Sawyer -- If when the Island saves you (and you're undead), you stop aging, then in present time Ben would still be a boy.

@Jaytch - Your right! Thought I had something there for a minute. Ben could have died. but, just not in the same way as Richard did. Something ties Ben,Richard,Locke and Christian together.

In true Star Wars fashion I think Faraday and Penny are twins separated at birth to keep them "safe". I bet on that Kate and Juliet are real power players to the island's mysteries and their rivalry has been going on for a looongg time. Every time one thinks they've outdone the other, they pop in to say "not so fast girlfriend" (kate walking onto sub this episode) and am pretty sure both Kate and Juliet know the answer to "What lies beneath the shadow" question.

This may have already been said but Locke has been to the "other side". (Died and then resurrected) Maybe he Does know what needs to be done to set the island right.

I think this was a very informational episode. If we look at each piece of info we can expand our thoughts on each character plot, for example, the scene with Locke, Ben and Richard, when Locke told Richard to go help "Locke", played out alot different then when we witnessed that scene in the epi- Because You Left. "After another flash, Richard Alpert arrives to help Locke and gives him a compass, saying that the next time they meet, he won't recognize Locke."
This shows that the actions they take does have an influence in their flashing past/future(?). So how does this knowledge help or hinder the many theories floating around? Are they making changes in their "real" life histories and futures and if so, enough to actually change the big picture or is there course correction and no matter the small changes they make the end result is the same? My mind keeps going back to the writers saying that you need to think of a record, (I think there are some of us here that bought and played actual 78's/45's/LP's), the flashing is like a needle hopping to different grooves of the record (forward or backward) and living in, let's say Dharmaville for 3 years, is where the needle is stuck in one groove (donkey wheel stuck), with course correction being a flick of a thumb on the needle to try to put it in the groove. When I think of it that way then the little skips and flashes (scratches) doesn't really change the song, just a knick here or there, but the music and lyrics have already been layed down on the vinyl. What ever happened, did happen, may have gotten there in a different way but the end result happens. Not sure if I made any sense with that, thinking and typing at same time doesn't always work out. Now that is just one piece of the puzzle, lots more pieces to think about. ie... Richard, Jacob, Locke, Smokie, Island, and have our losties(all of them or just some of them) always been the ones to "play this song".

@ Bad A** MF--i concur. This was a really, really, really good episode. I can't wait until next week. (and have no idea what the hell I'm going to watch during the summer b/c everything I loved is either over or on hiatus til next season.-- BTW Daniel, I too had no idea Scrubs was ending, I thought maybe just Zach Braff was leaving-at least that's what I was hoping.)

Back to Lost---
Is Kate the most annoying character on television or what?
I remember Richard telling Locke that the next time he saw him he wouldn't remember him, but it seems Richard doesn't remember anything...I'm not buying it. Surely RIchard remembers visiting young Locke and giving him the "which of these is yours" challenge. Something is just not right--Richard I believe, remembers more than he lets on. And even after all this time I'm still not sure how Christian fits in to all this, but I have a feeling that we may see a young Dr. Christian Shepard on the island next season.

Kruxoli - we have seen Christian off the island, when he appeared to Jack in the hospital and ( I think ) the smoke alarm is going off.

PS I read on the Facebook event they set up for the season finale that someone said Kate should be killed by the smoke monster. I second that motion. After her getting in that sub last week...ugh. And she always seems to be on her OMFG (own mother f.ing program). I think she THINKS she cares about what happens to the other peeps, but she just doesn't want to go back to "what's supposed to happen" cause she would be going to prison. Ugh, Kate sucks.

I_heart_Sayid - I have been waiting to see a young Christian FOREVER!! LOL. Creepy old man obsession.

I still have my weird Bible theory going on, but I'm still stuck on Ray. Did we meet him just to meet him and get Christian's shoes? Or is there something more we haven't gotten yet? I also hope we see Claire, if not for the last 5 minutes or so. It's weird, I didn't even think of her not being there until I saw Christian and I was like WTF is Claire. And is she dead like Christian and Locke dead?

Ugh, so many questions about that crazy family. I just really hope I was semi-right about Christian being more important than everyone thought. I liked him for that from the first moment we met him, and if I'm wrong - which I'll be cool with - I'll just look like I really like dead-ish old guys.

@ ssara badera:

I remember that scene where Christian comes to see Jack. Only thing is, Richard and Locke "are all there," so to speak. By this, I mean they behave and interact w/other people the same way any other person would. Christian, on the other hand, doesn't. For some reason or another, I don't think Christian can interact physically w/other people. He can hold things, like torches (when he sees Locke in the well shaft) or pictures (I think when he first meets Sun he shows her the old Dharma pic). When Locke asks for help after falling down the well shaft, Christian says something along the lines of "Sorry, I'm afraid I can't." I took this as "sorry, I physically can't." Maybe I'm wrong here, or maybe Christian and Richard are kinda the same, in the sense that they can't get involved in what the LOSTies decide to do. They can try and influence their actions, but they can't get directly involved. I don't know if I'm really going anywhere with this...just throwing it out there.

@ ssara badera:

I remember that scene where Christian comes to see Jack. Only thing is, Richard and Locke "are all there," so to speak. By this, I mean they behave and interact w/other people the same way any other person would. Christian, on the other hand, doesn't. For some reason or another, I don't think Christian can interact physically w/other people. He can hold things, like torches (when he sees Locke in the well shaft) or pictures (I think when he first meets Sun he shows her the old Dharma pic). When Locke asks for help after falling down the well shaft, Christian says something along the lines of "Sorry, I'm afraid I can't." I took this as "sorry, I physically can't." Maybe I'm wrong here, or maybe Christian and Richard are kinda the same, in the sense that they can't get involved in what the LOSTies decide to do. They can try and influence their actions, but they can't get directly involved. I don't know if I'm really going anywhere with this...just throwing it out there.

@LinJoe | May 7, 2009 05:35 PM
Hey there! Just getting back to this, and jumping down to respond, so if it's been answered, sorry. But I know that Kate is supposedly only 26 when she lands on the island (in 2004), so she wasn't even born in 1977!!

@LinJoe | May 7, 2009 05:35 PM
Hey there! Just getting back to this, and jumping down to respond, so if it's been answered, sorry. But I know that Kate is supposedly only 26 when she lands on the island (in 2004), so she wasn't even born in 1977!!

Richard didn't recognize Locke in '54, because for RA alone, that was their first meeting. By the 60's, he must have figured out his importance because of the home visit/ Island IQ test he administered to young Locke.

Also, who's to say pirates don't wear guyliner. Just look at Jack Sparrow.

@KateisGreat

So then maybe there is still time to prevent Kate from being born. Used to love her, but man, that honeymoon is over.

Ex-ing Kate out sounds great to me. She's useless, annoying, stupid...I can do this all day. The writers should try and figure out some way of killing Kate AND Juliet...that would be GREAT.

@Kruxoli

What we need is new hot female lead. Or more of Penny. I love that gal.

No more Kate hating! She is an interesting, dynamic character. And she *is* hot.

Anyway, she's way too intertwined in each of the main characters to kill off.

@ssarah

I'm kind of torn about Claire. I find her annoying but I need some closure about her situation. I totally believe she is dead, but I need to know what her role is. I think the actress is only contracted to show up next season, but it would be good to see her in the finale, just so as to get more info about the Christian dynamic.

A meeting between Jack and Christian is inevitable in my opinion, which forces me to believe that Jumping Jack will time shift out of the 70's at some point or meet young Christian. I also think his plan is to work the H-bomb is flawed and doomed to fail, but also part of the grand plan of events.

Miles found some closure with his daddy issues. So did Hurley. So did Locke and Sawyer in their very twisted way. So did Sun. And Claire. I think the same will happen for Jack; we just might have to wait a little longer.

@KateisGreat

I'm just saying that not all of the time with Kate has been bad, just that enough of it has. I appreciate her complexity, but I also don't care anymore.

I want to like Juliet, but her Joker Poker face drives me a little batty. I'm divided about Juliet and Sawyer just looking out for themselves at this point. I understand it, and empathize, but I'm not sure if I respect it.

Everyone's got their own agendas, and is a bit selfish in their own way, but I feel like the only people at this point who consistently care about the welfare of others is Hurley, sinner Sayid, poor Daniel, and a sober Jack. They are the ones I really root for nowadays. Plus Jin, cuz he is just cool, and Miles because he is complex.

(How great was it that Hurley was rolling with his Asian posse, by the way?)

I am also fascinated by Locke and Ben, of course. Even when they are being crazy manipulative, they are at least really, really interesting.

anonymoose | May 9, 2009 07:52 AM
I hear ya. And you cracked me up with "Joker Poker face" re: Juliet. Way earlier I posted that she's always got this crazy, constant angelic, ephemeral look, no matter what's going on. (Horse tranquilizers, anyone?) It's a little too much. I completely get it that that's part of her character, but they've taken to the point where she's entirely one-dimensional.

Hurley and his Asian posse! He's bring together the gangs of S.E. L.A.!

I do think that Jack is concerned only for the best interest of others, I do not think Locke cares for others (only the island, which means, in essence, he has become the same as Ben!) Jack is a doctor; caring for others is in his blood. Sayid is the same, but his motive is redemption(?). I think Kate's the same. But both Sayid and Kate have huge, genuine hearts, I believe.

Juliet and Sawyer both are selfish, I think, especially as evidenced by the fact that they were willing to get on the sub, leave, and leave everyone behind to an known fate.

so then does miles' ability come from the fact that he was born on the island or something else? and if so why aren't all the kiddos born on the island special in some way?

I think that the casting of Alan Dale as Widmore is brilliant. That voice. Did you know that Damon Lindelof descibes Widmore as "the big bad" of the show in the DVD commentary for The Constant. With that in mind, I think that Widmore is the Grand Daddy of all Fathers. He is trying to take the island by any means necessary. The Brit who has been expatriated from the island sure has some strong connections. He has the Black Rock ledger bought at auction. He has the Black Rock Storm painting in his office. He has also been a master manipulator of Des, Sun, Locke, Ben, Eloise. It is all smoke and mirrors in this Gentleman's Game.

Could Widmore be one of the original crew of the Black Rock... like the captain. Pirates... aaarrr.

oops that was me asking about miles

so is the war widmore referred to like ...

+++++TIME WARS++++++

going to go back in time to change past events in their favor???

@Victoria:
TIME WARS...sweet. So true.

@sk: I think casting for the middle-age Widmore is pretty spot on, too. He's rugged, as he ought to be, the voice is right, and although the face is quite different, you can see the same haughty intensity in those eyes.

Sad sack Locke has shed this mortal coil in my opinion, and I think the Island is using him by replacing him with Vampire Locke. Or he's kind of Dr. Manhattan-esque in that his supernatural knowledge at this point precludes him from having any real concern for other people. It's possible that he wants to kill Jacob, but I also get the sense that maybe he is distributing some Island justice by deliberately misleading Ben with this "mission". Along those lines, Smoky Alex is just another tool to work Ben over.

@Anony: I think Char's special ability was speaking Korean. Holla!

strange that wid and hawking seem to be at odds with one another yet both did their part to send daniel to the island. what's up with that?

@jenn3 my bf is on board with you about how we are not necessarily seeing flashback and forwards... just pieces of one timeline... era.. wait, i think i got that right. im sorry i cant find ya post nemore

@isadora's bf and @jenn3

I'm not sure i get what you mean. i think when we see place cards for scenes that say "1977" or "30 years later", that's what we are seeing. can you list some specific scenes where you think the writers are playing with us on this ?

it seems to me that everyone is rather satisfied with the origins of the compass, with what we've been shown. i'm really not. they've either created a paradox or we're missing an explanatory scene. am i alone on this?

Watching TMZ last night and they showed a clip from JFK, with Joe Pesci as crazy David Ferrie. He explains the Kennedy assassination as " a mystery wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma ". Sounds just like Lost, don't you think.

anyone remember The Ben Stiller show from the 90's? One skit had an Oliver Stone or JFK theme park and they had this robot repeating that line ad nauseum. it was funnier than i'm explaining.

the skit of stiller as tom cruise doing a one-man show was really good.

thought about the box - could this be the box leonard referred to in santa rosa when hurley told him he used the numbers to win? probably a too literal interpretation but i just re-watched that episode

@sk- I like Oliver Stone's movies, and even though JFK seems to drift away from reality (so did "W", but afterall, Stone writes and directs most of his films high on peyote, LSD, hash, alcohol and anything else he cares to ingest. He's a modern Hunter S. Thompson.)

Anyway, I thought you might like a little triva from a former history major. That phrase a "mystery wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma" was stolen from a Winston Churchill speech. In 1939, he used it to try to describe Russia's stance and eventual entry into WWII. Its been used alot over the years, so much so that I don't think Stone felt the least bit shy about having one of his characters repeat it like it was an original thought in JFK. Its a really cool use of words.

"who's hugo reyes?"
"he's the fat guy"

cut to hurley packing food for his getaway.

hilarious!

how does faraday know about the incident at the swan if he dies before and is born after it happens. it's not like he's been to the island before so how would he have written it down?

TINY SPOILER FOR STAR TREK MOVIE..............

Saw Star Trek today. It also deals with time travel. Apparently in the movie there are alternate realities and destinies CAN be changed.....Damon Lindelof and JJ Abrams are involved in both....hmmmm

END OF SPOILER...........

by both, I mean Lost and the Star Trek movie

To all:

Someone, either in this week's thread, or maybe last week's, suggested someone do a "Daniel-esque" type recap on Twitter - allowing people to follow in real time, not the next day. This idea intrigued me some. I'm not really sure what Twitter is, but I joined it. I'm not really sure how it works, but I think I'd like to take on the task. This Tuesday, I'm (humbly) going to attempt to recap "Fringe" in real time on Twitter. I use the same name I use on here: Kruxoli.

I'd like to say this will be my first foray into the world of blogging. Honestly, The Lost Diary is the first (and ONLY) blog I've ever participated in. I love it. Daniel's my inspiration for doing this. Now that I think about it, I hope I'm not committing some faux pas here. by that I mean advertising on Daniel's blog. If so, I apologize for it. I mean no harm or am I in any way criticizing you. I said it above, I love this blog, and I will continue to read and participate in it. I hope that some of you will "come out" and show support. If I suck, let me know. I'd appreciate any kind of advice, tips, suggestions, guidance - whatever. Like I said, I'm really new to this. So on Tuesday, @ 9:00 PM Eastern Time (I'm in Queens, NYC) I will begin my recap of "Fringe" in real time - with limited commentary (Twitter limits posts to 140 characters). My user name is Kruxoli. I hope some people will show some support!

Whew, sorry for taking up so much room. Thanks again, and if anyone would like to provide me with any tips or anything whatsoever, please email me at kruxoli@gmail.com Thanks again and if I'm doing something wrong here, please, somebody let me know. I don't want/mean to insult anyone.

1st time to post How about Daniel and Penny being twins? Each parent takesa baby kind of thing?

i keep thinking about this twins things ala star wars but i just can't get into it. it just doesn't make sense to me. they aren't the same age (or don't look it) and i go back to the interaction between penny and eloise in the hospital where she tells penny that des knows her. i don't see them as mother/daughter. i also think she would have thrown that back in widmore's face during the sacrifice talk dontcha think? she would have had to sacrifice twice. no i think penny is the product of widmore's relationship off the island hence his being exiled. i may be wrong but so far i haven't seen anything to prove otherwise. tho i though widmore and ellie were bro/sis so i can admit when i am wrong.

@Kruxoli

Good luck to you. Sounds like you are going to do just fine. I am not on Twitter, but may check into it.

@ Silly:

Thanks for the kind words. I'm not really sure how it'll work out, but you'll never know unless you try right? Thanks again.

@Kruxoli:
I hope it works too! I don't watch Fringe, but if this works for you, you definitely might be on to doing it for LOST for next season! Or you could try it out this summer, watching old season shows over again and doing it, getting ready for season 6. You could let us all know when you're going to get started, and we could watch with you (would that work? maybe when the shows show on EST [I'm in Boston] on the networks here?).

Anyway, intriguing idea. I always thought it would be cool to see Daniel do it real time.

Re: Richard losing his cool this episode.

There's been lots of talk about how Richard wasn't up to his usual snuff this week, and how people were dissapointed to see that he was led by the nose (when John told *him* to go remove the bullet, rather than the other way around). Most seem to have come to see Richard as the all-knowing, spiritual guide.

But let's remember back when Richard went to test John @ 5 years old. When Locke failed the test, Richard went off in a huff, annoyed and disgusted that he failed.

Clearly Richard didn't see that coming, and he didn't handle the result with what we've come to see as characteristic serentity.

It begs the question: couldn't Richard be the one who (as I've suggested before) is being sent off on these wayward missions through time, only to be made feel the fool?

Okay, Now Elloise is willing to help Jack blow up the Island, so she won't have killed Daniel, with whom she is currently pregnant, apparently by some love triangle with Charles Widmore and Richard, because if the Island is blown up, none of this will ever happen, right?

The only flaw with this logic is as follows. This is taking place in the 70's, so the explosion will only prevent anything from that point on from happening, which means everything will be hunky dorry for Jack , Kate & company, but for Ellie and Widmore, their lives end. Thus, no Daniel, no feud with Ben. No series.

So, if Jack is successful in blowing up this bomb, will we, the viewers and faithful fans of this show, have any memory of ever having watched it?

Okay, Now Elloise is willing to help Jack blow up the Island, so she won't have killed Daniel, with whom she is currently pregnant, apparently by some love triangle with Charles Widmore and Richard, because if the Island is blown up, none of this will ever happen, right?

The only flaw with this logic is as follows. This is taking place in the 70's, so the explosion will only prevent anything from that point on from happening, which means everything will be hunky dorry for Jack , Kate & company, but for Ellie and Widmore, their lives end. Thus, no Daniel, no feud with Ben. No series.

So, if Jack is successful in blowing up this bomb, will we, the viewers and faithful fans of this show, have any memory of ever having watched it?

Happy Mothers Day to all the moms out there, and to all the other beautiful women in our lives!

@ KateIsGreat:

"Fringe" is a great show. It's a little bit of "X-Files" meets cop show but defintely original. Plus, one of the producers/creators (not sure which - sorry!) is behind "Fringe." Definitely something worth getting into.

I felt like doing LOST would be a little sacreligious, but I think I'll give it a go on Wednesday. I certainly don't think I'll be anywhere near Daniel's level, but I'm not averse to giving it the old "college try." If people want to follow along, I'll start when LOSt starts (for all us east coasters), under the same name I use here: Kruxoli.

As far as doing previous seasons, I'll definitely look into it. Once I find out the schedule for the previous seasons, I can let those interested know. Thanks for the suggestions and suppport, they're greatly appreciated!

Sorry for my double post just now. Didn't mean to give you Deja Vu. It's not like that ever happens on LOST.

The screen went blank and I wasn't sure it worked.

Re: Richard losing his cool this episode.

There's been lots of talk about how Richard wasn't up to his usual snuff this week, and how people were dissapointed to see that he was led by the nose (when John told *him* to go remove the bullet, rather than the other way around). Most seem to have come to see Richard as the all-knowing, spiritual guide.

But let's remember back when Richard went to test John @ 5 years old. When Locke failed the test, Richard went off in a huff, annoyed and disgusted that he failed.

Clearly Richard didn't see that coming, and he didn't handle the result with what we've come to see as characteristic serentity.

It begs the question: couldn't Richard be the one who (as I've suggested before) is being sent off on these wayward missions through time, only to be made feel the fool?

@ KateIsGreat:

Obviously the anonymous post from 9:37 AM was me...

I think our perception of Richard as this "all-knowing" being is inaccurate. I think Richard is the keeper of the island's history, as well as the link to the island "spiritual" side so to speak. It felt a little weird to see Richard in a "subservient" position, but hasn't he been in that position all along? He's an important character, but in the hierarchy of the Others, he certainly not the Prime Minister/President. Unless, Richard really is the man, he just makes it look like other people are in charge. I dunno, I think what's really needed is a flashback dealing with Richard, or anything that will shed some light on the Others, who they really are, and what they're purpose is.

I can't stand Radzinsky. I hope he and snot-nosed Phil meet their demise in the finale. But I think that's how we're supposed to feel.

HELP!
My boyfriend wants to catch up on Lost before the season finale next week - he's only on This Place is Death. But ABC only has the last 4 episodes online.
Where can he go to watch the past episodes for free?

Hey guys, I haven’t had a chance to read the Diary yet w/work and all, and the weekend went by so fast no time to catch up :(

Just wondering if any of you guys thought of this (which I’m sure someone did), but do you think Daniel’s journal is waterproof?
I mean they all swam thru the water to get to the underground tunnel where Jughead is, and then Ellie says,”Now What?”
did they read the whole friccking journal first, or are they just going to wing it????
Not to mention God only knows how long and under what conditions the journal has gone thru??

Just thought it was funny ))) Hope to catch up with you guys on Thursday; will try to read @ work tomorrow, if I get a chance!

@ LostFan:

Go to www.ninjavideo.net
Click on TV SHOWS and scroll down to find LOST.

@ Tootsie:

Good observation... Usually those kind of things (journals) aren't waterproof. Did Eloise have a pack? In the military they teach how to pack your gear into your pack and make sure it's waterproof. I didn't notice.

I feel like this most recent episode revealed like almost everything, yet we just didn't get it. And it's not our fault, there's something from the puzzle that is still yet to be clarified.

Does anyone else think this too? I mean, we were exposed to a lot, and I feel like the answer has been with us all along...

Like Dorothy who always had the power to click her heels and go home... Just didn't know it until she reached OZ.

TINY SPOILER FOR STAR TREK MOVIE..............

Saw the Star Trek movie today. It also deals with TIME TRAVEL. Apparently in the movie there are ALTERNATE REALITIES and DESTINIES CAN be changed.....Damon Lindelof and JJ Abrams are involved in both Star Trek and Lost........hmmmm

END OF SPOILER...........

Hope all the mom's had a nice day yesterday

@ compassboy " the thing is, though, the origin of the compass isn't clear. i think if you follow it, it really starts with Locke in '07, but why does he have it? he was brought in the plane on a coffin, so where did he get it?

The compass goes from '07 Locke to '07 RA to injured Locke to '54 RA who holds onto it until present day...so does Locke tell Richard to give up his own compass or does Locke introduce a new compass? The first belongs to one serious time loop; the latter comes out of nowhere.

This is really driving me crazy.

you are right we don't know where the compass came from, Maybe Locke had it with him when he crashed in 2004. As far as last weeks episode 2007 Undead Locke asked Richard if he still had the compass he gave him (in 1954), Richard gave it to Locke then Locke told Richard to give it to his time traveling self.

@ Anonymous | May 9, 2009 09:09 AM

What I was saying on Friday was that we assumed in the earlier episodes that we were seeing flash back and flash forward (not just referring to last weeks episode), as if the character was thinking back about something and we saw their memory, but what if its more like the Godfather movies, where one timeline was shown out of order....I don't know if that helps

@ silly (I think) I saw Star Trek last night and I agree between the Fringe episode and the movie, I feel like JJ Abrams has spoken to me and explained!

@Jenn3

LOL...I was starting to think he was sending me messages though other movies and shows. I think I am losing my mind.

@ silly - I leaned over to my bf and said, he just explained LOST!!!! I get it! And he just looked at me like I was nuts. LOL I couldn't wait to get here today and see if anyone else saw it this weekend.

@Jenn3

I was with my husband and son (non-losties). I felt so alone. There was no one to share my revelation with.

Posted by: Jenn3 | May 11, 2009 05:09 AM

I read what you said on Friday about the "out of order" timeline and was intrigued. So this weekend I went to Lostpedia and read the entire timeline start to finish (it takes each episode and irons out by actual date when each small action in the entire series occurred).

I have a feeling you've done this already (I can tell you're diehard or savvy enough to have your own timeline!:) but if you haven't, and anyone else out there interested in your theory should definitely read the timeline.

I also saw Star Trek this weekend and thought it was really funny when they started talking about time travel and destiny. My friends had to tell me to shut up because I kept saying "Oh, my god, this is like Lost!"

Thanks KateisGreat! You are right I go to the timeline often. They also added a new Time Shift Timeline which I found to be really helpful.

***********STAR TREK DISCUSSION BUT NOTHING MAJOR *****************
@ blue eyes - LOL! I got the eye roll from the bf during Fringe and in the movie theater. He looked at me like Iwas speaking a foreign language. I sat right up in the movie theater and then started laughing at how it was all explained in one little paragraph

***********END OF STAR TREK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@Jenn3 and blue eyes I was so intrigued by the information I was hearing in the Star Trek movie that I actually took out my cell phone and took a couple of notes..LOL....I have serious issues.

@ silly - LOL you win as the most obsessed!

@Jenn3,
mine was a gasp and OH MY GOD. From the looks I got from the people around me, I was a little loud.

@silly,
that was smart, with so much other things happening in the movie, I can't quite remember the whole explaination.

@ blue eyes - I best every LOST fan that saw it had some reaction! too funny.

@Jenn3 LOL.... but not sure if that is a good thing.

@ silly - IDK either, but I hear it comes with a crown, eye liner, a smoke machine, hot pockets and a golden pass to fly anywhere, anytime on Oceanic!

So I saw Star Trek last night and it was awesome. I'm a fan of all the Star Trek incarnations/movies (except Enterprise, haven't watched it yet). But I think the tiny spoiler alert was a straight up spoiler, seeing as that was the whole reason they were going thru what they were. I did read it but I forgot about it when I was at the movie, so no worries.

Also, I thought whoa, this is like LOST, especially when Spock explained destiny, but I don't think just because JJ Abrams made Star Trek and the first season of LOST that we should take what happened in the movie and apply it as our time travel theory in the show. Not trying to offend anyone, just wanted to provide my two cents :)

That being said, Zachary Quinto is one hot Vulcan.

I can't believe the season finale is in two days!! I am flying home on Wednesday and I won't have anyone to watch LOST with! I can't wait to meet you know who, and see Christian, and I have a sneaking suspicion Claire will show up in the last 15 minutes or so...

PS Finals were done on Saturday, thanks for the good lucks from everyone :)

Is it possible/rational for us to start a petition now for ABC and Cuse&Lindoff to tack an 8th season on????!!!

I'm not ready for it to end, and I just don't think they can wrap it all up in one more season appreciably!

And please don't tell me it will lead to LOST movies.

arrgghh!!!!

side note:
saw star trek over the weekend. GREAT MOVIE. I took my sis who doesn't know anything about star trek and she liked it a bunch too. Saw it on the IMAX. Definitely worth seeing!!

@ ssarah - No offense taken, but I do find it interesting that there was also a related discussion on Fringe - albeit some believe the Fringe convo did not relate to time travel - but anyway, my point is I think that it is a plausible explanation when applied to LOST. I know many will disagree, but thats what makes life interesting.
On another note - glad your finals are over!

@Jenn3, I wasn't surprised this weekend when reading this BLOG that that you, CAM and Mr Factual all work together at Mittelos Labs. I was shocked, however, to learn, when I "googled" you three, that you all first met years ago at SCIENCE CAMP! LOL

Flashest Monk: I was shocked to learn that, too. But imagine how freaked out I was to learn that all three (sadly) grew up in FOSTER HOMES.

Oh, the horror!!!

@ flashest and KateisGreat - LOL, yeah, I guess CAM and Mr. Factual are out recruiting onthe sub today.

son of a b*%^ch that Anon was me.

All kidding aside, I was intrigued by that notion. If you have ever done any networking, its very interesting the limited degrees of separation between people. There are no doubt relatives, friends, maybe even former spouses contributing to this blog and not knowing the connection because of the pseudonyms that are used. Its pretty interesting idea that all three of you could be in the same building. (KateisGreat- good one on the Foster Homes thing. I bet Jenn3 picked the Book of Laws instead of the knife?)

@ flashest - that's why I'm Richard's favorite :) All kidding aside, I work with 4 other people and no one else is in our building, but you are right, it is likely that I have spoken to or there are 6 degrees of LOST separation between some of the posters.

@Jenn3- I personally know Kevin Bacon, so you are only two degrees removed from him!

Tootsie had an interesting post last night about Daniels notebook, and I was thinking similar stuff this morning. That manual has alot of info that could be used by people living in 1977 forward to change the future.

Do we know who is in possession of it? (I think we are assuming Eloise, but maybe Jack and Eloise co-own it at the moment.)

Did they take it to the cave (wouldn't it be wet? This was Tootsie post.)

What role will the Daniels logbook play in future episodes?

***********STAR TREK DISCUSSION *****************

@silly -
I came to a different conclusion about changing destinies from the Star Trek movie. Although sigificant events in their lives were different, the characters all still ended up where they were supposed to be (i.e. where they were in the original timeline). To me the movie showed that destiny cannot be changed!

***********END OF STAR TREK DISCUSSION

@ flashest - funny you should say that I just saw the Will & Grace episode this weekend where Will was doing the Footloose dance with Kevin Bacon.

@ Tootsie and flashest - for some reason I keep thinking that she had wrapped the journal in plastic or something to keep it from getting wet. But I may be inventing that? I'm not sure.

@ssarah

sorry, never intended to offend.

@Jenn3- suppose we will learn where the log book is on Wednesday.

Regarding degrees of separation. If you were on the island together, you could bet that you, CAM and Mr Factual were either half-siblings, went to Science Camp together, or were being treated by the same Eye, Ear, Nose and Throat specialist for continual nose bleeds. :)

wow, gone for a weekend and I am working at Mittelos, or was that I worked at the science camp as a counselor? hmm....

And this one time at Science camp...

I thought recruiting for a sub trip to Dharmaville would be easier in this economy, but still having a tough time roping people in to be janitors.

Happy Monday all!

I only mentioned the journal getting wet cause I figured the "others" did'nt have a lot of zip-lock bags & plastic stuff lying around-LOL!

I thought Jack had it in last weeks previews in the cave/tunnel? We will find out!

I am so jealous of those of you who got to go to the new Star Trek movie this weekend. I sooooo wanted to go :(

@Jenn3, does their explanation of time travel/destiny support WHH or WH(maybe did'nt)H? LOL! can't wait to see it for myself, or for Wednesday!!

@CAM & Mr Factual- Don't think its "lost" on any of us that you two replied 7 minutes apart. (Like the sub docked, you fired up your blackberries and were able to get Internet connection. CAM went right to the BLOG while Mr Factual checked his emails first.)

***************STAR TREK DISCUSSION IN CONTEXT OF TOOTSIE'S QUESTION*****************************

kind of neither...more of made a new line.....trying to be vague so that I don't upset anyone

b/c they went back in time there is a new timeline ....see Posted by: silly | May 11, 2009 04:48 AM post from this morning

Did that help or make it more confusing......

*****************END OF DISCUSSION ***************************

@ Tootsie - you are posting during the day, does that mean some of the hectic work has been relieved or maybe you were just on lunch?

I read someones note from earlier regarding Christian being the ring leader. What if he didnt die the way they said he did? It wouldnt be off to say that Widmore or Eloise had a hand in him dying and Jack coming to get him to put him on the flight. Or if Jacob killed Christian so he could come to the island. Just a thought...can't wait to see who Jacob is!

Just on my lunch break-the boss went out. Thanks for your answer, I'll have to find out for myself, regarding the movie :) Back to work-have fun guys!!!

@flashest, dang it, we have been discovered, hurry turn the FDW !!! :)

man, a little slap happy this monday afternoon.

I too wanted to see Star Trek this weekend and wasn't able to. Someone asked me to see it wednesday night at the imax theater and I had to respectfully decline. I have to watch the LOST finale, duh!

sidenote: did anyone watch "Ace of Cakes" this weekend when they made the cake for the 100th episode? It was really good!

angela | May 11, 2009 09:34 AM

I agree with your idea that perhaps Christian didn't die the way it was said he did. An "alcohol-related heart attack"? Suspect.

Frankly, I've seen a few alcoholics in my day, and Christian looked pretty healthy at death.

We never saw him die, met who found him, etc.

Like Locke/Bentham, there could be a backstory to the death.

So I'm not the only one turing down offers to do things this Wednesday night due to the Lost finale. I turned down a pair of tickets to a baseball game (Yankees at Blue Jays) and they were great seats.

Anyone see the movie sliding doors (1998) with Gwyneth Paltrow?

It doesn't deal with time travel, but it deals with two parallel lifelines that are created based off of one specific happening (Gwyneth Paltrow missing a train vs. making that train) The two stories reach a similar climax but with different results - it's just something that reminded me of Lost. (I think there was also a Frasier episode based on this concept)

jb | May 11, 2009 10:22 AM

Interesting. Liked that movie. Goes with the whole "course correction" concept. Now, you brought it up -- flesh it out some more! Run with it!! :)

so is anyone else sad that we won't hear the backstory for libby since cynthia watros is unavailable? I was so looking forward to some scenes of her and hurley back at santa rosa...sigh
maybe we should all petition her to have mercy on lost fans to come back and assist with the final season?

@CAM -- Yes! I saw Ace of Cakes and the last 30 minutes with the cast was great. It was interesting seeing them as everyday people...not playing their character.

@ Kruxoli.. Yes, The Giver is one of the best books ever. I read it when i was 9 and seriously made me think of some crazy stuff. Love reading!!! Knowledge is power fo sho!

also i wonder if we will ever find out more from ben about henry gale and the balloon that had widmore industries written on the basket. one must surmise that widmore sent him to find the island...but what happened???

@Victoria

There are SO MANY loose ends to tie up. I am not sure they all will be addressed, but I certainly hope so.

jb -- argh! anonymous is me...

where is everyone....no offense to anyone hear, its just that we won't have much longer to post on here and I am still fighting with every part of my being joing facebook.......

Christian "died" of a massive heart attack brought on by a ridiculously high amount of alcohol in his system. Don't forget he was sober until Jack followed him into the meeting and accused him of sleeping with Sarah. I'm not sure of the timeline, but I feel confident in saying he goes to Sydney to see Claire and starts drinking soon after this. If someone has been sober for however long, if they indulge themselves in a large amount of alcohol, it could have a greater effect than if they had just been drinking all along. It's kinda like in boot camp we couldn't smoke and when I got back home I had a cigarette and it affected me horribly (have quit since then, thank goodness).

Anywhos, I think that really is how he died, because if he look at Locke, he didn't know he was going to die via Ben's hands. Christian didn't know he was going to die by drinking so much. And they were resurrected. I think if Locke had actually killed himself, none of this would have worked because he wouldn't have told Ben they need to go to Mrs. Hawking and set the course they are on now, if that makes sense. I hope Hawking/Widmore/Richard didn't have anything to do with his death. If anyone had anything to do with it, it would be Jacob (his grandfather perhaps??)

If we, not he, looks @ Locke. My bad.

I posted last week when we were discussing the Variable about all the information coming from Charlotte's mouth during her final moments in "This Place is Death" I rewatched that episode this morning and one thing I missed last week hit me today. There was a scene were Locke, Sawyer, Juliet, Miles and Jin were going to leave Charlotte and Daniel to go to the Orchid. They were flashing non-stop, Charlotte was virtually delirious and someone commented about how could they find the Orchid if they flashed before (or after) it existed. Charlotte perked up and said "look for the Well".

I thought this was pretty significant since Charlotte was so young when she left the island. You may remember that it was from the Well (near the Orchid and the temple) that Locke and company saw the Statue. Since Charlotte is a Dharma Kid (like Bram and Iliana), my guess is that the Well is what lies in the Shadow of the Statue. I think its significant that someone so young would have remembered that. Like it was maybe drilled into her as a child.

Loved Ace of Cakes!!

I can not believe it all ends (for a few moths anyway) on Wednesday...I still have them all on my DVR...I don't delete LOST!

Ok so They are standing next to the leaking H-Bomb and no on is concerned??
Kinda like in 1954 when Faraday touched the leaking substance.

I think Jack coming around the corner on Fate is stupid.

So My only prediction for next week is we find out about Romeo and Juliet
and I have thought for a long time that it is Rose and Bernard, But it may be Sawyer and Juliet who knows...

I think the last episode of this season should (lets hope they can tie it all in) include
Claire, Charlie, Desmond, "Brilliant man who made the lampost"-reveal who, Jack meets Christian on the island.

And Finally I hope next week tells us how everyone in Lost will be teleported to the USS Enterprise to help Kirk fight Kahn in the next star trek Movie...

@ssarah- actually we have two really solid eye witness reports of Christian drinking himself to death in Sydney- Ana Lucia and Sawyer. This following is from Lostpedia on Christian drinking himself to death:

Ana Lucia is shown working as an airport security officer. In the bar, she meets Christian Shephard, Jack's father. The two commiserate, and the older man offers her work as his bodyguard in Sydney. The two decide to adopt false names for their relationship. Ana Lucia calls Christian "Tom," while Christian calls her "Sarah" -- the name of Jack's wife. In Sydney, they spend four days drinking, until Christian works up the nerve to visit a blonde woman in the suburbs, bringing Ana Lucia with him, in the middle of the night. A shouting match ensues between that blonde woman and Christian; he tells the woman that he paid the mortgage on her house and has a right to see his daughter. Ana Lucia drags Christian away and they leave. Later, the two discuss what they are each running away from; Ana Lucia tries to encourage her friend to return to the States, but he refuses and heads for a bar instead, bumping into Sawyer in the process.

@Flashest two words- High Larious

@Mr Factual you're a boob

@Thomas, really? Interesting theory but also incorrect.

I just checked and the Food Channel is rerunning the LOST cake episode again on the 15th and 16th so those of us that missed it can see it. I think the title is "LOST in Hawaii"

Sorry, forgot, its Ace of Cakes, and the episode is "LOST in Hawaii"... Duh.

@ flashest - Thanks! I will have to put in a request at Mittelos for the day off to watch.

The Ace of Cakes episode is good but surreal. I love Jorge Garcia's blog so it wasn't as weird to see him out of character, but it was hilarious what he tells the bakery staff about "Sawyer" so they modify the cake.

to follow up on flashest's last post - it will be on at 10 pm on the 15th.

Ok, another what if theory... Ben turns the wheel, which leads to everyone time jumping and that leads to the island being blown up by Jack which is why it disappeared to those outside the anomaly. So the reason the island disappears is because it set in motion the destruction of the island. And all the conflict is trying to undo the actions that led to that. And perhaps Daniel is the one who turned the island into a time traveling living experiment and caused the whole thing before he knew better. Besides who says the Daniel that came back is the episode he got killed is from the timeline Miles and the rest are from. He could be from one of his own experiments (remember they kept asking what was he doing back). Feel free to poke holes in these thoughts.
One other thing - who the heck did Sayid kill for Ben? Any ideas who all those peeps where?

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Quote from Lindelof regarding erasing the events that got the losties to the island: "It's a very divisive issue and one that the audience is feeling too. It would be a big cheat, erasing the last five years of the show, and making it so that we never came to this island in the first place"
Jack, however, has already expressed interest in Faraday's mission, while Kate is clear she wants to stick with the life she has. Regardless of what Jack and crew decide, next season will find the show's core characters all back on the island resolving why they landed on the island in the first place.

In the finale, more will be revealed about such mysterious symbols as the four-toed statue and the Egyptian hieroglyphics, says Lindelof.

The show has been a wild and often confusing ride, but Lindelof and Executive Producer Carlton Cuse say they know exactly where it's all headed.

"That was a conversation that started back between seasons one and two of the show," says Lindelof. "We are following the plan pretty much to the letter, although there is room for improvisation." Lindelof says next season - which will be the Emmy- and Peabody Award-winning series' last - will bring things full circle.

"Season six will feel a lot like season one," says Lindelof. "The focus comes back to the characters with whom we began. We've been winnowing away everyone else who came along. The Tailies are gone, only Miles [Ken Leung] is left of the Freighter Folk and only Juliet [Elizabeth Mitchell] is left of The Others. We're getting down to the end now."

"The metaphor we like to use is that this is a road trip. We know we intend to end up in New York City, but maybe we'll pick up a hitchhiker or stop at a bar and get drunk along the way," says Cuse.

"And then linger there for six episodes," jokes Lindelof.

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ssarah badara | May 11, 2009 11:34 AM
Well, he was only sober for 50 days, and not to be contrary, but a good alcoholic could probably withstand a few days of even round-the-clock drinking. But again, that's my "from the trenches" POV.....

But you just might be making my point. If Christian dies of natural causes, wouldn't that throw everything off? In the same way that Locke killing himself would? Mightn't be necessary for him to have to have been "killed" to return?

Just saying. :)

*******TOTALLY OFF TOPIC****

Since it’s a slow day, anyone see Justin Timberlake on SNL? He and Andy Samberg did a follow up digital short to last year's Emmy winner (D*ck in a Box- won last year for Outstanding Original Music and Lyrics). This one is called Mother Lover- somewhat tongue in cheek Mother's Day song. Susan Saradon and Patricia Clarkson did a cameo as their respective mother/lovers. Production values are excellent, if somewhat vulgar. View at your own risk (it was on network tv- so its vulgar but evidently passes some kind of censors standards? music is well done.) See link below:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/72434/saturday-night-live-motherlover#s-p1-st-i1

@ flashest monk | May 11, 2009 01:00 PM

Should a Monk be promoting such vulgar material? I would, but I am not a monk :)

flashest monk | May 11, 2009 01:00 PM

I LAUGHED MY ASS OFF, even at nearly 1am. Funniest thing ever!

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@CAM- Thanks for sharing, if I read between the lines there, it doesn't look good for the Benwagon... (Juliet was mentioned as the remaining Other. Wouldn't that be a shocker?!?!?!)

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@CAM- to quote Oscar Wilde:

“Vulgarity is the conduct of other people, just as falsehoods are the truths of other people”

To further quote Oscar Wilde (on his deathbed)
"Either these curtains go or I do."

-or- like you guys didn't hear worse things at SCIENCE CAMP?

hahahaha! thith one time at thienthe camp....

(that is supposed to be in a lisp)

@CAM- hey, while we are questioning ethics, I wanted to ask you. This policy you have at Mittlelos about being knocked out for the Sub ride. That's just a cheap excuse to get high during working hours, right? I mean, I have heard of people sneaking an Ambien during a business flight, but you Others must have a wishywashy HR department?

(Yeah, I picked up on it before that you were trying to do a riff on Band Camp from American Pie. Love that character.)

:)

@ flashest monk | May 11, 2009 01:21 PM

Drugs are at the coreof what we do. Why do you think our "Sayid" uses LSD? I prefer a light dose of shrooms while contemplating life with my fellow mittelos friends.... :)

Holy crap I can't wait for the season finale :)

Is it confirmed to be a jack-centric episode? It's weird with this season...some episodes are character centric..others are all over the place with who its about.

It is not confirmed to be a Jack-centric episode, from what I have read it sounds like it won't really be main character centric.

i'm going to start this off by saying i havent seen the new star trek yet but i'm doubting that the writers of star trek would really put all of the answers to lost in their movie...especially since lost is still going...why would they want to give the ending away?? i have a feeling they are telling a different story with a different set of rules and they're just trying to confuse us more. come on...doesnt that sound more like the writers MO then just giving the ending away???

@buttercup
Fringe and Lost have been plugging star trek for about a month, i wouldn't doubt that for the season finales of the shows they throw in a little Lost, and Fringe related comment,

Sadly I have not seen star trek yet

@buttercup- I couldn't agree more about JJ Abrams and Star Trek. In approaching Star Trek, he had the challenge of being true to the original concept but also putting a fresh spin on the story, so he did that by doing something unique (I'm being vague here on purpose.)

Whereas, with LOST, we are almost thru with 5 seasons and so far there is no hint he is going in that direction.

I wouldn't read anything into the LOST reality from the Star Trek movie.

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The Featured characters for the season finale are listed as Kate, Sawyer and Juliet (so, KateIsGreat get set to spend your whole Thursday defending Kate.)

The narrator for the one hour feature before the finale is Naveen
Andrews. Wonder if he will do it as Sayid or just plain Naveen. Naveen is alot more British and alot less Iraqi when he does movie roles.

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I had vertigo last week from an inner ear virus. I thought my nose was going to start bleeding! Snl was too much! Best show in a long time. Loved mediocre face too. I believe christian had alcohol induced heart attack,I know someone who that happened to and he didn't look terrible though he was younger.

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FRINGE FANS

This Just in Leonard Nemoy to Play William Bell in the series, Yet another plug for Star Trek

So is Leonard Nimoy hard up for cash these days or what?

hhhmmm, Kateisgreat, I wasn't sure of the days. Thanks for that, and yah, I personally don't have any experience with being alcoholic/sober - myself or friends included, and I guess it doesn't really compare to nicotine, or maybe it does, I dunno.

But I see where you are coming from, Locke was killed and brought back, if Christian just dies of "natural causes" it kind of seems to even break a cycle perhaps? So yes, it was reported as massive heart attack brought on by extremely high level of alcohol content, but like you (or was it someone else, I can't remember), we don't know who found him and how, besides being found in an alley behind the bar...

But no matter what I still love my dead-ish old guy. Haha!

...trying...to...resist...Facebook...
I think when one finally decides to sign up for FB, it is not unlike the bright flash of light that accompanies the turning of the FDW. Does anyone have any plans to watch the first 4 seasons of Lost this summer to prepare for season 6, and then blog about it? I imagine this comments section would become hard to sift through if we used it for that purpose. Any thoughts?

Does it strike anyone else odd that Eloise raised Daniel, yet she has an accent and Daniel does not..

While Widmore raised Penny.. And Penny has an accent, but Widmore does not.

I just think it's truly odd, because... children usually learn to speak like the persons who are around when they are acquiring the skill.
Hmmm...

@ AZ Wildcat:

I've been thinking about doing that, I'm just not sure of the format. Tomorrow, and Wednesday, I'll be on Twitter commenting on "Fringe" and "Lost" respectively in real time (for us on the East Coast). I don't know how feasible/friendly it is to comment on Twitter, as I am quite new to it as well. I don't really know how it'll work, but you never know unless you try. If you're interested, my user name is Kruxoli and I'll start when "Fringe" starts on Tuesday (9:00 PM EST).

I am really interested in doing the past seasons as well, but, like I said above, I don't really know how commenting will work on Twitter. If anybody's got any relevant info, please pass it my way. Thanks!

ashley -

I think it depends on where they are raised. It's true children acquire language similar to their surroundings, but this includes school and their environment in addition to their parents. 1st generation americans tend to speak American English without a non-English accent, even if their parents still have one (I can think of many of friends in which this is the case) So maybe Eloise was British but Daniel spent a large part of his childhood int he states - maybe Widmore was American but lived in Britain to raise Penny.

I'm so psyched for Wednesday...but sad too...no more new episodes. I really want to rewatch all the episodes this summer begining with season 1. There is a Pens game Wednesday so some in my household will not like me watching LOST...oh well lol. Anybody have a LOST viewing party...or making special food for finale?

Jenn3,
@ your post where you said something about "we won't have much longer to post on here."
We posted on this site all through all of the breaks for the last couple years.
Last summer we posted on it for a long time until it had some technical glitch.
Daniel hasn't (in the past) turned it off just cause LOST is off.
We just run out of stuff to talk about after a while. :D

Amanda,
Someone (I forget who) had a LOST party last year and asked us all for suggestions on decorations and refreshments and stuff.
It was really fun thinking of things for her party.

I think she had wine in a box, and Dharma peanut butter & crackers and everybody sat around on old suitcases or somethingand played drinking games like "I Never".

So I'm watching Yes Man and Ms. Hawking is in it and let's just say she's not playing a very Ms. Hawking role. At all. OMG

PS That's me watching Yes Man. We rented Benjamin Button and this and after crying for 45 minutes I need mindless humor. LOL.

i was raised by a british mom and american dad here in the states and i don't have an accent. my mom still has hers. i do use british words and spelling occasionally.

so i am still confused about the scene where sayid shoots erik? did kate not get shot because it looks like she did but she just ducked? that must have pissed off all the katehaters. so close but yet so far.

@ suzie - yeah, I know about the posting during the hiatus, its just last year it got bogged down with he who shall not be named andthen the site had a major glitch, so I just meant its not a given we will be able to post on here.

Also, re: Star Trek - I don't think anyone, well at least I didn't think that they put the answer to LOST in the movie or in Fringe, I just meant that the explanation in both could fit in LOST and kinda supported those who were not on the WHH train.

That being said...Good morning every body!

@ssarah - I saw a flash of Family Man - with Nic Cage - and who do you think was the guy behind the convenience store counter - giving DCheadle a hard time? None other than MILES... doing a bad Korean accent...

@suzie and jenn3 - yeah, last summer was fun til the glitch... I'm hoping we can still comment as we gather intel from previous seasons.

I'm so looking forward to tomorrow - and thankfully my hockey game is tonight...

Then by Friday I'll be crying knowing there's no more new Lost for a while...

@ fanolost - its like christmas, the let down after its over is awful!

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For all of those who wondered how a doctor (Jack) would know how to detonate a hydrogen bomb....well Matthew Fox was just on Ellen and they show a clip of tomorrow's show and there is some information about that.

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