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I am really rethinking the good vs. Bad sides

@ Daniel:

I agree with the grade...not enough answers, but certainly necessary to further the story.

reposted from the end of the last entry:

there was definitely an alice in wonderland/alice through the looking glass theme going on last night, which i thought was interesting—

jack tried to read alice to david in the beginning of the episode, the spare key at david's mom's house was under a statue of a white rabbit, and when jack was looking into the mirror at the lighthouse and saw his old house, it seemed like he was looking into the parallel world— through the looking glass.

of course, the first jack-centric episode in season 1 was called 'white rabbit,' and the season 3 finale was called 'through the looking glass'—that looking glass being the underwater station.

and young ben linus' white rabbit, which he followed onto the 'hostile' side of the island.

can this 'looking glass' idea be used to understand the parallel worlds of this season? can people pass in between?

After The Substitute it was hard for me to love this ep. Very. Very. Slow.

Havent we heard Jack leave that message before? (the one on the machine where he says "I just needed to hear your voice") We see now that it was left for his son but I feel like we've seen it in another epi and were left to believe it was for a woman... seems like he left it one time when he was drunk. I dont know, anybody remember?

I don't know what she stands for at this point, but it must be said that I LOVE crazy Claire.

@ Matt:

I agree...most episodes without Locke/Ben/Des kinda suck if you ask me...

Also, I found this on Lostpedia...

Inscribed above the lighthouse reflector: seus siyd dadru oyt ube cafru oyt on wohsi. Read backwards, it says "I show not your face but your daddy issues."

I agree a little frustrating to watch at times. Did anyone see the initial look Flocke gave when he saw Jin? I think Jacob is the good one, so far Jacob has yet to kill or physically hurt someone

C- ............ARE YOU KIDDING ME..........This was one of the better episodes in a long time. Daniel, I'm guessing your mind was on that date last night rather than watching Lost. Wake up Daniel, there are plenty of fish in the sea, wait until Lost is done before you start losing your attention span like that again. Maybe this girl in the bar was MIB trying to get you off your Lost game.

Sorry, I loved the show last night.

A strong B for me. By telling Hurley has ink on his forehead Jacob cannot be the bad guy!

This season is bummer-ville so far. I love the show and will follow it to the end, but it in no way feels like its hit final season mode. At least the sideways flash of Jack and his kid brings something new to the table and we get to see how a guy with big daddy issues treats his own kid. The temple is a snore.

when watching this episode, i realized that the prophecy about Aaron cannot be raised by Another was not about Aaron becoming evil, but if Claire does not have Aaron, she becomes evil or crazy.

should have listened and raised aaron, now claire has lost her marbles and joined the man in black

Whats up with the explanations running along the bottom of the screen...meant to be helpful but kinda irritating. happy to see yo are back Daniel! Thanks!

Still waiting for answers nuff said!!!

@ Sue:

Those are "enhanced" episodes. This week's ep will air next week one hour before the new ep with the "enhanced" notes along the bottom. They're supposed to provided a little more insight into certain scenes of LOST.

From previous post as we awaited Daniel:

I'm also really miffed that no one here has made mention that David's mum is a piece of work - she's not at his competition? Jack didn't know and was kept in the dark - but SHE knew... and she wasn't there. Which would lead me to think that Doc Jensen might have something that Juliet is she and she's off having a dutch-coffee-date.

I DO NOT LIKE THE TEMPLE SCENES! I just want all the previous episodes wrapped up to make sense. The Temple just brings in more confusion. Any one else?

@ Kruxoli

thanks for that...thought it was something along that line

One of the articles I read this am (cnn?) said that the "magic numbers" add up to 108. Interesting!
Good episode but I'll agree with the grade. Clearly just an episode designed to get us to the big conclusion.

here are a few thoughts I had on last nights episode... very incomplete thoughts but they are a work in progress...

1. Candidates- I am not sure I completely understand this concept as I don't know how much I fully trust Jacob or the MIB, I think they both have personal agendas and are using people to accomplish them. These "candidates" are to take over protecting the island, I believe, but I am not sure if this is a blessing or a curse. It just seems like a cycle that won't stop... just keeps going and going and going... I think MIB may have the right idea by trying to get out of there and out of the cycle.

2. Side-ways timeline - I don't quite understand how they are going to reconcile these two timelines at the end of the season, but I am quite enjoying seeing our familiar characters worked over a little bit. I love seeing Jack as a dad, but I am going to stand by what I said last night, I don't think David's mom is the same as the wife we met previously. Judging on his age, I would think he was born out of wedlock when Jack was young.

3. Interresting to see Claire like that, I am not quite sure how I feel about it yet.... hmmmm.... Kate v. Claire doesn't really peak my interest but then again I am not a guy.

i really think that what they were seeing in the magic mirrors was the flash side-ways... not the past. Too bad Jack smashed them.

This is becoming more and more Jacks to lose.

Why so harsh? Any episode where Hurley talks to dead or invisible people is great! Jack's always been a bit boring.
If Mr. Myagi is to be believed now that we "do" know that Claire is wacko, is Sayid really bad or is he talking about not-Locke?

@Cam - see my post regarding the 'other' Jack-wife... heheheh

4 = Locke
8 = Reyes
15 = Ford
16 = Jarrah
23 = Sheppard
42 = Kwon
_____________
108 = Wallace (Wiki = Charles Wallace built and place 108 Wallace Fountains over France and other countries)

As for "which" Kwon, Jacob touch BOTH of them at the same time.

I find it annoying how we are supposed to be getting "answers" and yet, I feel like a total episode was wasted with filler and not enough answers. I too love the Hurley moments. It's funny when he says certain things, because I immediately say, "Oh--that's going to be in Daniel's blog tomorrow"! I agree with your grade.

@Lindsay
I do remember Jack leaving that message before. I think he was leaving the message for Kate.

I also think it is a possibility that Kate is David's Mom.

When Hurley was pulling the chains moving the mirrors, Jack first saw the reflection of the Asian style building...I'm assuming he saw this as the dial was passing "KWON." Could this be where Sun and Jin's daughter is? Just a thought...

@Shauna - welcome to facts from season 2

this is my first post. t wish someone would talk about claire and who she really sees is it christian or where is soyer love some theries wendy

Veronica Hamil = Cher? Good God, she looks preserved...and not in a good way. When will old actresses grow old gracefully?

@fanolost - what post?

@ Lindsay - Thanks for the backwards message - I love the hidden humor.

@ Jim - Any idea of what the Temple dude actually said to Hurley?

@Kruxoli - My first thought when seeing the Asian style building was the Temple dude.

Sorry dude. When you are wrong, you are really wrong. Definitely an A. Lots of plot twists and turns and monkey wrenches to thwart the conclusions of many. Perfect.

@ Matt
I agree 100%. Last night was the first time since around season 2 or 3 where I found myself looking up a the clock to see what time it was while LOST was on. Very, very slow last night (minus the Hurley/Jacob scenes).
Is it just me or has Jack become very destructive lately? Blowing up stuff, busting mirrors, scuffling with the Others in Templeville... settle down brotha......

I think this was a good episode. I dont understand why everyone complains about not enough answers. What do you expect. Relax and enjoy the ride. These episodes are going to lead to excellent ones later on.

I love Hurley and he does have the best lines. Obi Wan Kanobi...

Claire is just plain CREEPY!!

@Kruxoli
I think it was the place where Jin and Sun got married and he also saw the steeple of the church where Jacob first interacted with James/Sawyer.. Then we saw Jack's childhood home... I find that interesting b/c we know that Jacob interacted with the Kwon's at that building and James/Sawyer at that church but he came to Jack in the hospital, not his childhood home. "SHEPHARD" corresponds with Christian perhaps?

@CAM - sorry about that, that on another site, Dr. Jensen says it could be...

Juliet is the other Mrs. Jack.

So for me, the reason behind why she's so horrid in not being at her son's competition/tryout is because she's out on her dutch-coffee date with Sawyer/Ford.

Maybe Jack met Juliet at Med School

@ Jeff:

Hmmm...never thought of that...Jack did say that he hadn't been in that house since he was a little kid...

But if "SHEPARD" referes to Christian, why did Jacob need Jack to go to the Lighthouse...why not Christian...

We did find out that hurley is not the next leader of the island.

Does anyone else find the claire storyline really weird. At first she doesnt want the baby. Then She has the baby and is all about the baby. Then she gets knocked in the head.. meets christian...and gives up aaron. We're told "he's where he's suppose to be." Now she's back to being obsessed with her baby. Help me figure this out?

9:44 -- "I don't know." -- Jack to Dogen. That had to hurt.

I don't think it really hurt Jack but instead confused him. Why? Because way deep down Jack knows that he never actually had a son (in the Island universe).
Dogen was testing Jack just like Desmond was. Just listen to what Dogen was saying and watch his face.
So many things in the episode seemed like a test for Jack; the Island is trying to get him to remember who he really is (or rather who he's supposed to be).
Any six or seven year old would remember getting their appendix out.
His mother offering him a drink and then saying "good for you" when he declined?

This is just like Locke in The Substitute. When Locke fell on the ground and the sprinklers came on he was smiling because he was subconsiously remembering the rain storms on the Island.

I'm holding onto hope that this other universe is just a test and eventually they will go back to the Island and "merge" with their real selfs.

@fanolost - I like that theory! Juliet as the mom would be a great twist!

@ Good Omen:

Dodgen said something like "Good thing I have to protect you, or I would have cut off your head" to Hurley at the temple.

@Saffyreblue - Thanks!

Who is Wallace?
#108 seems like the place to be

@Gizmo If Kate was David's mom, I think Jack would probably have recognized Kate on the plane. lol.

Why did Claire appear to Kate and tell her to promise to never bring Aaron back to the island? And now Claire wants to kill her? And why did MIB and Christian tell Claire that the people at the temple took the baby???

I liked the epi too and I'm re-thinking who's good and who's bad. But didn't smokie kill Eko?? So if he's good, why did he kill?? I'm sure Lost will end in some way where everything isn't at all what we think it should be.

Is Hurley right? Are those skeletons two of the Losties that were killed when the island went back in time? Does that mean the island is once again going to go back in time so we can see who they are and what killed them?

@ Jacob. I totally agree. these events are tests for jack = his game to lose. I think its jack vs sawyer, and jack prevails

@CAM - that kinda works for me too. But it makes her a horrid mum... imo of course.

@jacob - my sense of the whole 'other' timeline is that who we know have been passed over for the next generation - hence, Jack/Dogen have kids because they must have them for the cycle to continue. Sawyer already has Clementine - we don't know about Sun/Jin but maybe they have kids... heck, for all we know, Kate does ...

I think in season 4 when Ben took Locke to see Jacob in the shack that that wasn't Jacob and it was Smoke/Locke. it seems Jacob can come and go and he lives in the statue. I would assume Smoke/Locke is limited to the island and thats why he told Locke "Help Me". I think Ben thought that was Jacob but it wasn't and thats why his name is now crossed off. I think Christian, Claire, Smoke/Locke and Sawyer will all be on one team. Since Kate isn't one of the Numbers I hope she dies soon!
Last thing Kate can't be Jack's sons mom. on the answering machine Jack left him a message saying he was in Australia. As far as we know they don't know each other yet, and if they did I would assume they would have talked to each other on the plane.

@ Fanolost:

Just because Sawyer had Clementine in the 1st timeline, doesn't mean he has her in the alt. timeline and Sun/Jin have a child in the real timeline, but I don't think they will in the alternate timeline. I don't think they are happy together in alt. universe. I also think alternate timeline is what their lives would have been like without the influence of Jacob.

I thought Claire died in the explosion back at Darhmaville. I think Claire is possessed or "infected" just like the Temple people think Sayid is "infected". Thats why they kidnapped and tortured Claire. She said they branded her at the temple. Just like they Branded Sayid with the hot poker.

Both Sayid and Claire were dead. They both have been infected. Claire is obviously more over the edge since it's been three years. Maybe Jacob was referring to Sayid when he said someone was already at the temple and bad things were going to happen.

@ Kruxoli
Yet another example as to why we watch LOST. Maybe it was to show Jack that he's needed to help fix everything, or that Jack needs to fight Christian (since he's presumably with MiB)... Jacob did say that sometimes you can directly tell people what they need to do or give them time to look out at the ocean. Jack is definitely important but for what.... that's to be determined I guess.

Kristy A - I thought the same thing about Veronica Hammil/Jack's Mother. She looked like Morticia Adams. The long, dyed black hair that doesn't hold up to being dyed so harshly like that kind of makes her look rough. But I like her as an actress.

Could kick Jack for smashing the mirrors. Couldnt he have at least checked out some other images for us before he wrecked the whole thing?

Also really like crazy Clair and her Rousseau reenactment. Must be a great role for an actor to play a grubby, demented, gun toting, trap setting, Others hating jungle survivor woman.

There is obviously some conflict between FLocke and the Temple (and it's people). Remeber, Richard sais that FLocke was "recruiting" and I think Claire is one of his recruits. FLocke wants to get into the Temple, what for, I have no idea, but he is trying to assemble people to go with him.

Also, last night we saw FLocke and Claire...where was Sawyer...? Last we saw him was with FLock @ the cave with the names...

I heard that that the comment in chinese was "Good think you are protected otherwise I would cut your head off".

@ Kruxoli exactly. Sayid is a recruit too. we just haven't seen it yet.

the others sure like to brand people, they also branded Juliet back in season 3.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Juliet's_mark

remember when the young jacob appreared to Flocke and said you can't kill him. "meaniang sawyer". Flocke can't infect people unless they are dead.

@Click
Thanks good point. Too many time lines. Not enough meds.

silly question....what's up with the mark on Jack's forehead?? It's the same shape and texture as Sayid and Claire's branding mark. Did I miss something???

Sayid and Miles are the only ones currently at the Temple. Something bad is going there. Probably Smokey/Locke and Claire. I wonder if this is the end of Miles. Will Sayid side with Smocke and Claire? How will Sawyer react?

Jacob put something in the pool at the Temple. Perhaps to clear it so that it will heal properly once again. He knows that the others and the candidates will need it once Smokey is done with them.

Juliet is David's mother. I'm just throwing that out there.

I realized last night that Jacob vs. MIB doesn't represent Good vs. Evil... it's even an older struggle... DESTINY vs. FREE WILL. Jacob represents Predestination--everything has a purpose, people's lives are guided to a fate/destiny, while MIB represents free will ("Don't tell me what I can't do!"). "Killing" Jacob is nothing more than an expression of that--exercising his own free will. Instead of being bound to the island (his "fate"), he wants to go home--again, another expression of his free will. It's a timeless struggle, and one of the central themes of Lost.

@ TeresaLynn:

So, Smokie needs dead bodies to "infect" but can't kill them himself...Makes sense...

yes, that is how he recruits.

Why does the Lockeness Monster need recruits anyway? Is it just to remove the ash so he can get inside the temple? He obviously doesn't need them to fight for him. Is the only way he can leave the island is if he finds a replacement? Jacob has "candidates" and MiB has "recruits".... there's always a yin/yang, good/evil, black/white sort of balance between them. Is this yet another rule in the game?

Jack said that David's mother was out of town. That's why she wasn't at his performance.

Shout out to Barney Stinson re: the crazy/hot scale!

So so episode. Island parts much more interesting as usual.
In mythology, mirrors symboize divine truth and wisdom of the universe, also clarity and self-knowledge. The "vision" would be shattered if a mirror is broken. Jacob not too bothered by Jack's breaking of the mirrors.

108 was the number of minutes between button pushing.

The heiroglyph that Hurley stopped by at the tunnel was the symbol for eternity. (a rope looped on itself in a circle)
Who knows what Dogan said to him?

Looking at Jack's tattoo on his shoulder.....does this look sort of like the dial in the lighthouse to anyone else?

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jack%27s_tattoos

Re 108, The Oceanic Six were on the island for 108 days - re:Daddy Issues - there was an episode in Season 1 called All the Best Cowboys Have Daddy Issues

Regarding Jack/Sawyer - while I think they're being set up to be adversaries (after Jack/Locke failed, Widmore/Ben), I do think - if they're gonna wrap up this show and not continue in movie form -

Then they'll need to stop the adversarial and end it.
And not some dreamy good/evil cuz frankly neither MIB nor Jacob is wholly one or the other.

Sawyer isn't stupid. He's not believing MIB - but obviously needs him. Will it appear he's on his side? Sure... but in the end - the real loophole will likely be that there is an END to the game - not with a triumph between our losties, but a triumph over the nonsense of the millenia... by siding with each other... imo of course

And one more thing, Jack's tattoo has a big 5 in the middle, Shepard's number on the dial was 23, 2+3 = 5! LOL

@eternally lost - Juliet being David's mum has already been posited - and is from Doc Jensen's blog.

@Rob - free will/destiny - this theory was going strong a couple of season's ago and I'm glad you've brought it back up - thanks.

Regarding Claire and Aaron being brought up by someone else (and those who want to post the audio/transcript, please do): wasn't it 'he can't be brought up by another?' or An Other?

I've always thought Aaron shouldn't/couldn't be brought up by the Others for whatever reason - not that he couldn't be raised by someone else. And now Claire is really freaking because MIB has told her he's being raised by them.

They kept saying Jack's son's name over and over. Are we supposed to know the name "David"? Did he look like Kate or was that just because he had on too much lipstick?

Would you kindly!

free will Vs. Predestination?

i never should have played bioshock after watching this episode.

Andrew Ryan would be proud
(he chose to die, Jack could not choose not to kill him) c'mon any other BioShock fans, and any other similarities we can find between it and lost)?

@ Jessica:

"DAVID" has biblical significance, just like AARON, CHRISTIAN, SHEPARD, JACOB...

Dunno what they're supposed to signify, just tossing that out there...

@fanolost - I would like to respectfully disagree with you. I don't think they are gonna wrap up the series like a nice little package, instead I think they will start a new cycle.... just to show us that this has been going on for centuries and we just saw a snippet of what it has been like...

a few of you have mentioned that Kate might be "David's" mother....I don't think so...she's too young, right? The oldest Kate could be is 27 or 28 ...that boy had to have been about 14 years old. The Lost writers are into biblical themes, but I don't think they're interested in making Kate pregnant at 14 years old ;)

What about Libby being David's mother? Didn't she appear at a hospital at one time or another?

i think the kid's mother is none other than Penny...and she was out of town shacking up with Desmond!

so I was left dumbfounded and wondering Does Claire not see John Locke, and see something else? Since she said That's my friend....

I would assume they've been friends since the cabin tea party with Christian and Locke, but Locke was Locke then.... I'm confused...

Also No Miles was not good, and I can't wait to see Sayid start going bat shit crazy.

And to Dan, I think you really dropped the ball, you should have said to the pretty girl at the bar "Actually I write the blogs at Thelostdiary.com, want to come watch lost at my house and be part of the phenomenon" haha, I'm sure you played it smooth though......

I'd give the episode a C+ too much jumping between stories and adding Kate for no reason to the plot was stupid, also where is Sawyer???

Smokie must only be able to 'infect' people that are on Jacob's list ... Since he killed Echo and others through the series and none of them have come back as evil...

This blog is better than last nights ep. I hate that they give us one good ep, then one bad one. Too slow I fell asleep and has to rewind the dvr. Damn.

@CAM - HA! Here at the office I'm with you! I think it's a cycle - but because folks here assume it will be wrapped up - not neatly, but enough not to have a movie (which writers said would not happen) - it could be that it ends with this group. Also because almost all the names are crossed out.

Doesn't mean they cannot get 'new names' but I sensed a finite group - and we're watching the end game.

But cyclical has always been my mantra...

Daniel..I really don't want to be critical, but the quality of these has gone down a lot since I discovered you years ago on TMZ. I think you need to make every effort to actually watch IN A GROUP like you used to. Today's Diary was basically you spouting lines back at us.

@ Fanolost: (transcript between psychic and Claire about Aaron :)

MALKIN: I can tell you, this is important.

CLAIRE: Okay.

MALKIN: It is crucial that you yourself raise this child.

CLAIRE: You mean with Thomas? Is he..

MALKIN: The father of this child will play no part in it's life, nor yours.

CLAIRE: So what exactly are you saying?

MALKIN: This child parented by anyone else, anyone other than you -- danger surrounds this baby. . .

CLAIRE: Danger?

MALKIN: Your nature, your spirit, your goodness, must be an influence in the development of this child.

CLAIRE: Look, if Thomas and I don't get back together I'm putting this baby up for adoption. I just wanted to find out what would give the baby the happiest life.

MALKIN: There is no happy life -- not for this child, not without you.

CLAIRE: I don't. . .

MALKIN: It can't be another. You mustn't allow another to raise your baby.

CLAIRE: Okay, great. Thanks for taking my 200.

MALKIN: Oh, no look, take it. Ms. Littleton, I am begging you just to consider...

CLAIRE: I can't raise this child by myself.

MALKIN: You have to listen to me.

CLAIRE: Okay, thanks for your time, and my money back.

MALKIN: Ms. Littleton, please. The baby needs your protection. Ms. Littleton, please.

David was the first husband of Libbys ex husband, it was his boat that Libby gave to Desmond

I didn't quite see all of the names and numbers at the lighthouse. Was Kate's name there? Was it with a number and was it crossed out? Also, I did notice Locke was not crossed out, but he's dead, right?

Christian might be a recruit as well. He is guilty by association.

HA! Going with my above theory of Libby as David's mother! LOL

ha that did not read right!

@saffreblue - thank you!!!! And yes the key is 'another' or An other...

So I'm sticking with that.

RE: Claire not seeing Locke, but her "friend" made me think of when FLocke returned to Sawyer afer chasing the kid. Sawyer asked "did you find the kid?" and Flock said "what kid?" Maybe the "kid" is a form that is seen by certain people, like Sawyer, but FLocke sees something else, just as Jin and others see Locke, but Claire sees her "friend".

Does anybody remember Kate being involved in a bank robbery? I think her boyfriend was killed during and all she was doing was breaking in to get a toy airplane that belonged to her son. Was that on Lost or am I thinking of something else?

@ Jessica:

Yes, it was on Lost.
Episode 1x12, "Whatever the Case May Be". Kate engineers a robbery of a bank to access its safety deposit box #815, containing her toy airplane.

the toy airplane belonged to her childhood sweetheart Tom. He is killed trying to help her escape from the hospital that her mother is in

@jessica - that airplane is not her son's ... it's Tom Brennan's...

John Locke-- Libertarianism, Philosophy, Inalienable Rights

Jack (Shepard)- Biblical, Jack nickname for John maybe meaning something about baptism, rebirth, or enlightenment

Kwon- means Foot in Korean could refer to the statue

Hugo Reyes- homage to Neruda Reyes wrote much about ancient cultures (Macha Pichu specifically). Hurley said he was interested in Indiana Jones, and Temples.

Ford- Possible reference to Gerald Ford taking assuming office after Nixon resigned, as a candidate one of them will assume the leadership role.
Or could refer to Ford, as in shallow water that can be waded in to cross to the other side.

Littleton- could refer to Lyttleton, New Zealand Shackleton's journey to Antarctica left from there as well as the first telegraph sent from NZ came from there. Was also the location in the movie The Frighteners where the main character becomes psychic and can communicate with ghosts...

Linus- Son of Apollo or Catholic Pope (think reference Ben made in the church to Jack about St. Thomas)

Hawking- Theoretical physics

Farraday- Physics

Kate's bank robbery and the toy airplane - it belonged to the man she loved and killed.

ROBBER #2: I told you not to trust her.

KATE: [to Hutton] I need the key to safety deposit box 815, now.

HUTTON: Who are you?

KATE: The key to the box, now.

HUTTON: You need 2 keys. The bank's, and. . . [Kate holds up a key]. If you had the customer key, why would you need. . .

KATE: I'm not on the signatory card.

JASON: You put me up to this to get into a safe deposit box? I swear to god, you better kill me, Maggie. Because if you don't. . .

KATE: My name's not Maggie. [to Hutton] Now, go.

[Kate opens the box which reveals an envelope inside.]

[Shot of Jack with the case.]

JACK: Anything you want to tell me? [Kate doesn't respond.] Alright then. [Jack opens the box and pulls out money, guns, ammo, and finally an envelope marked Personal Effects. Jack opens it and hands Kate a smaller envelope.]

JACK: Is this it? Is this what you wanted?

[Kate opens the envelope and pulls out a small "toy" airplane.]

JACK: What is it?

KATE: It's nothing.

JACK: What is it, Kate?

KATE: You wouldn't understand.

JACK: I want the truth, just this once. What is it?

KATE: It belonged to the man I loved.

JACK: The truth.

KATE: It belonged to the man I loved.

JACK: Stop lying and tell me the truth.

KATE: I'm not. It belonged to the man I killed.

[Kate sits down and starts crying. Jack looks nonplussed, he closes up the case and walks away.]

I vote for CYCLE ENDS! by the time the series ends. In the game between Jacob and MiB I don't think it has ever gone as far in the past as it has gone now. There very well may be no more potential 'candidates' drawn to the Island and those remaining are dwindling. No candidate - no special Island - maybe it goes to the bottom of the ocean or maybe it just becomes ordinary.

I miss Desmond!

@Jessica - Tom plays with the plane during Kate's attempted lunchbox stealing (when she meets Jacob).

She and Tom bury the plane in a time capsule - and then dig it up as she's waiting on her dying mother.

E Mars takes it from her and locks it away in a safe deposit box and that's where she retrieves it.

the airplane belonged to a boyfriend, that she blames herself for killing, can't think of his name,

Kate is not David's mom because she and Jack would've noticed each other at the airport/on the plane. It could be Sarah. (his x-wife and also on Modern Family now. Was halfway expecting the whole modern family cast to come out of the house when Jack opened the door.)Someone said that she was a bad mom above but Jack said that she had gone out of town. I think they just wanted us to know there was a mom in the picture that the son stays with when hes not with Jack but shes not important.

Also, in the new timeline, everybody's whole life is different. Jack got his appendix out when he was seven? Except we know that Juliet took it out on the island. Or maybe events that happened on the island are just randomly inserted into their own lives now since he couldnt get his appendix out because the island was under water.

I wonder whats going to happen at the temple? They said that someone bad is coming which is probably Claire cuz I dont think that MIB can go in. It's also convenient that all of the main lost people are away from the temple so they'll be safe.

@T - Locke has not been crossed out at the Lighthouse because there hasn't been an opportunity to do so. Unlocke was the one who crossed Locke's name out in the cliff cave. So, Jacob would not have had a chance to do so prior to his death.

@Michael(not Dawson) - I'm the one who said David's mum isn't great...

She leaves town when her son has that kind of audition? Really? Especially knowing the DAD knows nothing? Really?

She just leaves the kid to fend for himself? She leaves him with the MAN WHO KNOWS NOTHING... but expects the kid to just disappear for a couple of hours without saying a thing to his dad?

Crummy. Lousy. Horrid.

The other timeline is 'all different' - Jack's a surgeon, Locke is wheelchair bound, Kate is a fugitive, Claire is pregnant, Hugo won the lottery, Sawyer is a con man... what seems important is the same - the periphery is not - but may be important to how they will dovetail/melt into who we know in later epis.

Does anyone think lawnmower man/Fahey ISN'T important? Is he expendable? I hope not.

sorry, that would be 'The other timeline is NOT all different...

sheesh

@ Fanolost re: LawnMower Man:

I hope he's important enough to stick around for a few more episodes...he's got some great lines (so do Hurley and Miles, for that matter).

I think that the alternate lives we see the losties living is their lives without Jacob's influence. While I think Jacob is the good guy and FLocke is bad (although I like the predestination vs. free will theory a lot!), he is paving hell's highway.

Gettin' it out there first: my idea for the last Lost ep. begins with the Adam and Eve bones in the cave; it ends with the two people who die there. Are they Jacob & FLocke? Rose & hubby (can't remember his name, it will come to me as soon as I click post)? Kate and Sawyer? Jin and Sun?

Also as a parent it bothers me that none of these people miss their kids at home! Kate spends 3 years raising Aaron, and walks away without another thought. Was Michael only worried about Walt because he was there? Sun leaves her baby for another plane crash!

The mother of Jack's baby? How about his ex-wife (she was off filming Modern Family, that's why she missed the audition!)?

@fanolost - it wasn't a competition, it was audition for admission and it was scheduled at a certain time with little leadtime (based on answering machine message) and she is probably working and just had to be out of town on business

I saw it somewhere, but the sideways timeline seems to be what happens when Jacob doesn't interfere with anyone's lives.

I agree with sammi @10:24 that it was MIB that said help me to Locke in the cabin not Jacob because somehow MIB is trapped.
I think Flock and Clair and the rest of those he recuits go back to the temple for the war that Widmore told Locke about and this ends the cycle. Jack has to go back to the temple and fight for Jacobs side, still going with the good v evil thing.
I hope Jin does not go to the dark side or Sawyer. It will be Flocke v Jack IMHO

The enhanced ep's say that the sideways world shows "what would have happened if Oceanic Flight 815 had not crashed."

But Jack's son would have been born before the plane crashed! How can the sideways world be the one without the plane crash? Locke is still in touch with his father! Ethan was the hospital doctor, he would have been on the island before the plane crash. How can the writers say that in the enhanced ep??? They write a complicated show and then treat us like we're stupid? Too frustrating!

@berky - those enhanced episodes are nice but I don't think they will give us all the answers, yes the sideways world shows us what happens when it doesn't crash, but it also shows us that their lives are completely different in that reality. It is my belief that the main difference is, Jacob was not around to manipulate things.

@CAM - You're right - plus they don't even have much room to write stuff. There certainly is more to it, in many cases, but I think at a minimum - what the captions say is at least partially true.

@suede66 - I know it is to get into the school but it is a competition -

And she should not have been out of town - when she knows the father knows nothing about this event or even the kid started playing again.

I also think that since Jack is a candidate, he could end up being the next Jacob. He won't manipulate people as much (hence, smashing the mirror was okay with Jacob). Ooh! Maybe Sawyer will take FLocke's place!!! Anyone? Anyone?

Last night's episode was much better than the blog today. Seems to be a little hostility going on. I thought the show was pretty good and I know it's been said before but I'll reiterate that everything we see is for a reason. The fun for me is trying to figure out how it all fits. I don't see any point in getting upset because NOT ALL THE DAMN QUESTIONS WERE ANSWERED IN ONE EPISODE. I'm done.

@ Good Omen:

I checked with my friend. Apparently Dogen said to Hurley in the hallway..."He who fart in church, sit in his own pew." Again...I don't know if it's critical to the story or not.

@des-is-my-constant:

You can't think of the timelines as in the plane did not crash so this happened...

If the plane did not crash, why not? What is the INCIDENT that changes this? Is it jughead going off? Is it some time shift?

If it has anything to do with the island's past - then you need to think outside of the linear ensuing years - so that what happened in 1970s has altered things to where - Jacob did not touch anyone...

Or Jacob skipped the generation and will now 'touch' Dogen's/Jack's etc. kids... that were born because the events from 1970s have altered lives.

@Des-is-my-constant...I honestly think that the enhanced EP's are mainly used to recruit new Lost fans by catching them up to the current season. The writers realize that we have figured out alot and therefore are simply confirming what we already knew. Even though they say "this is what would have happened had the plane not crashed"...I think it goes deeper than that. I think they really mean, if Jacob had not touched them at any point in their lives. Then again, if that were the case, alot would still not make sense. It's kind of sad how we can't seem to come up with some kind of connection after looking at several different scenarios.

I'm starting to get mildly irritated by the previews at the end of each show and the whole "The time for questions is over!"....they need to play that promo near the end of the season, when it actually makes sense to do so!

I agree with CAM on the sideways timeline...If it's supposed to show us "what would have happened had Oceanic 815 not crashed," Hurley would still have bad luck (bad stuff happened before the Oceanic flight), Locke and his dad would certainly not be in touch, Jack wouldn't have a son, etc. It doesn't make sense...I understand that's what appeared on the enhanced episode, but there's got to be more to it than just the plane not crashing...

@des - further... I guess you cannot look at it as there is a fork in the timeline and now we have two that started from x date. It started from x event. But the event was in a different decade so what happened going from that point on could be different.

I hope this makes a little sense.

Am I the only one that thinks it's odd that Claire seemed taken aback when Jin told her that Aaron was three years old? MiB had his eyes on Claire from the start...he did something to cause her to leave her own child behind and eventually turned her to the dark side. You would think she remembered that she abandoned her own baby instead of vowing to kill Kate for taking care of him. This will be very intriguing to follow indeed.

@CAM, I agree that the sideways timeline seems to be what would happen if Jacob had never come to their lives. There's just something that makes it seem that way.

What I can't figure out is that stuff happened to the erstwhile losties PRIOR to the plane crashing on the Island - stuff that is different from what we have seen. The enhanced eps say "This is different" but don't explain why. Examples - when Jack had his appendix out, how Locke got into a wheelchair.

I guess that if we go all the way back to the bomb going off and that being a trigger to changing everyone's lives, OK Fan-o! But the plane landing safely can't be the trigger to the changes in their lives, it goes back further. And Jacob wasn't killed until after they came back to their island.

I agree with you, too, Betheaux, this season is fantastic, but is raising some late-game questions!

Do you guys think that Ben was really working for Jacob, EVER? Or has he been manipulated by smokey all along? He does seem too evil to be someone selected by Jacob!

@ Betheaux:

I think what happened was that Claire actually died in the explosion in Dharmaville, allowing FLocke/Smokie to "infect" her the same way Sayid is "infected." I may be wrong here, but that's my take...

@fanolost...That does help alot actually. Resetting things from the 70's on could be a possibility.

@Des - it does go back further. If jughead is the causal item - that goes off in the 1970s - so anything after that - Oceanic not crashing - that's where we start - but everything leading up to that - Jacob touching folks - is voided. Ben is not killed by Sayid - the Dharma kids are sent off island before Chang and co. find the magnetic center... For all we know Widmore dies on island.

YOu have to go back decades, not try to take 2004 as the start - it's only the start for where we began 5 years ago... but the ramifications for what has happened... and we don't yet know really what happened... alters entire lives.

I'm beginning to see the dead body-not buried/infection theory. But I'm still searching around...

@ Anonymous... I'm glad that helps someone - I'm typing it trying to wrap my head around it...

@fanolost...That does help alot actually. Resetting things from the 70's on could be a possibility.

Posted by: Anonymous | February 24, 2010 12:14 PM

That was me, whoops.

@Kruxoli...I could reasonably get on board with Claire being dead and subsequently claimed. Unlike Sayid and Ben...she was not taken to the spring that we know of, as Sawyer found her alive after the explosion. The timing of her beginning to spiral down the crazy train after seeing Christian though makes you wonder.

What if the alternate timeline has been created because Ben "killed" Jacob? We all thought it was because of Jughead, but at the same time, Jacob was being killed. Then the next episode, we are being shown the flash sideways..

@ Betheaux:

I'm not sure how much I "buy" that she died in the explosion, but I have no other reason as to how she became infected, unless, of course, something happened to her after we saw her last.

@Kruxoli...That's how I feel too, and seeing as how there will be no more flashbacks, we won't be able to 'witness' what happened to Claire after she disappeared. It will have to be explained via dialogue I suppose...perhaps by Flocke, in his own vapid ways?

I'm thinking back to that dream Claire had in Season 1, where John Locke had one black eye and one white eye, and told her that because she gave "him" away even though he was her responsibility, everyone had to pay the price now... wondering if that's still important, and if "him" refers to Aaron (I assume it does, but you never know...)

@ SaffyreBlue:

Nice, but, had Jacob's "death" been the incident, his death would've had to occur in the past, no...?

Is anyone going to make mention about how Jack needs to do some sit ups?

@Carrie...He needs to find Desmond and run up and down some steps Brutha'!

@ Kruxoli:

I'm not sure yet. But more and more I am beginning to think that Jacob's death is what gave us alternate timeline, because the bomb went off, but our Losties are still on the island. Juliet said it worked, but what did it do? I just think it's more than coincidence that we were shown this other timeline right after Jacob was killed, I think the bomb was a "red herring".

@ Carrie....from a guy who's shaped more like Hurley than Sawyer...leaves Jack's abs alone!!!

these infected people were dead, but they can still be killed again?

Rouseau's men were "sick" but then she killed them.

Can Claire and Sayid be killed? How about Christian?

@ Suzie S:

I think Sayid can still be killed because Dogen was trying to give him that poison capsule that Jack swallowed instead.

@lovesteamykeamy...That was a great catch. I went to lostpedia and read that section over in the episode. Very prophetic indeed!

@ Saffyreblue:

But how could Ben killing Jacob in 2004 or 2007 affect what Jacob did before his death? He died AFTER he brought people to the island...I'm not sure how his dying AFTER that can cause those events to "never happen..." Am I making sense here...? Sometimes things work out differently in my head than on the screen...know what I mean?

@Saffyreblue: What if the bomb went off in 1977 (the year it was when Juliet hit it) and that sunk the island, which means Jacob couldn't have visited our losties off island because the bomb killed him in 1977?

@Saffyreblue - I think we have to give the writers some credibility. If the enhanced eps say that the other world shows what would have happened if the plane didn't crash, it is also true that the hydrogen bomb went off in 1977 - that's what I mean by the captions being at least partially true. I don't think the writers would outright lie to us?

The thing is, the bomb going off in 1977 is supposedly affecting thins that occurred prior to 1977. I don't buy that. I think the bomb is a red herring (sp?). The only thing I think the bomb did was get our Losties back to 2007.

@ CAM:

I agree with your 12:40 post 100%

@Jim - can you give examples as to what things prior to 1977 are being affected?

@ everyone! LOL

WOW! Love everyone's rebuttal. I am just thinking, I never said the bomb didn't go off. I believe it did. But it didn't do what we all thought it would, which was make them landing on the island never happen. The flash sideways shows what would have happened if they never would have crashed, but I still think Jacob being "killed" has something to do with the alt. timeline. Maybe if they hadn't killed Jacob and blew up the bomb in the same episode, I wouldn't think this way, but right now, I do.......reserve the right to change my mind next week, or even tomorrow! LOL

@Jim...Are you referring to the Lostie's childhoods being affected pre-1977? Do we know how old Jack is? He's the only one that has had a difference in the alt. timeline that happened during childhood (appendectomy at 7).

@ Jim:

What did it affect pre-1977?

@ SaffyreBlue:

Sooner or later all of us says something that a million people rebut...It's all good, we're all friends here!

haha! I have for sure had some real interresting theories that have been butchered... it's all good. You throw things out for feedback! I love it!

@ Kruxoli:

:)

Posted on The Substitute thread at the end of last week. Thought I'd throw it out there again...

I have a different perspective on the parallel universe. What if everyone on the island was drawn there by a dark/evil force? Think about it, bad/dark things happened to draw everyone to the island: jack; dad dies, Kate; kills daddy & captured; Hurley, cursed; john, no outback adventure; walt & ben, mom dies, etc.

What if the dark force that drew them to the island was the cause of the bad things that happened to them?

that said, the parallel universe is showing us what their lives would be like if the dark force never was involved in their lives. Some things are destiny; john still paralyzed, but others are changed; hurley has good luck. Ben may not have ever been to the island b/c his mom would not have died.

I still think the sideways flashes are their lives without Jacob's "pushes" we see that from Dugan saying that "isn't hard to watch them and not....." time will tell if not having Jacob in their life is good or bad (or is Jacob for that matter)
Also I think the lighthouse is how the island chooses the canidates and how it tells Jacob who they are, he sees people at different times of their lives and follows them to see if they are worthy by process of elimination.

It would be great if the writters would make Bai Ling Jack's baby momma just as a nod to the people just as long as we don't see her on camera again

@Cara...Nice theory, especially with Ben never going to the island because his mom lived.

If we are correct in assuming that the alternate timeline shows what the Losties' lives would have been like without Jacob's interference, then Jacob must have either visited Jack when he was very young or interacted with Christian in some way that affected Jack, because the differences in Jack's life go all the way back to when he was 7-8 years old and had his appendix out, although we only know of one meeting between Jack and Jacob that happened when Jack was much, much older.

I wish it could be as simple as "Aaron was immaculately conceived by Jacob and Claire"...in the bible, Aaron was a descendant of Jacob and was companion to Moses as leader of the Israelites.

Des. Yes i think Ben did see and talk with Jacob jusr like Hurley is doing now. Jacob told Hurley that Jack couldn't see or hear him. Doesn't that sound familiar

Don't know how this epi could get the grade you gave it, Daniel. It's the first episode in a long time that kept me awake all night. I thought it was slow, but clever. And how can you not love crazy Claire? I just wanted to give her a bath! The grunge was so beliveable!

What I liked most about this episode was Hurley. Is it me or does Hurley seem to be taking on more and more characteristics of someone who could potentially be a leader?

I really hope the writers wrap up some of the loose ends. I know we aren't going to exactly get a Nikki and Paulo backstory (we've sorta already had one, and it sucked...)Anywho, what I'm saying is...please don't leave us hanging on things like why Libby went bonkers and endedup in Santa Clara, what happened to Walt, Widmore & Mrs. Hawking, Apollo Bars, Polar Bears, The Black Rock, Alvar Hanso, Dharma.... I need to know if Driveshaft is a multi-platinum, multi- Grammy winning rock band in flashsideways!! LOL!

I didn't like the fact that Jack has a son, it just seemed wierd that anyone who has as many daddy issues as Jack would even opt to have children.

I guess that's just about as believable as Kate raising Aaron. (I knew runaway Kate would never hang around long enough to raise a child. Her intentions are good, I guess.)

What if it was Rousseau that was infected and not the other people that were with her? I know they were affected somehow by the Smoke Monster, but Rousseau acted exactly like Claire is acting now, and we have been told that Claire is infected. Does anyone else think that Rousseau may have been infected also?

I guess we don't have specific references for pre 1977 effects yet, but (1) Ben was "killed" prior to the bomb (we haven't seen to much of Ben as Teacher, but he definately does appear to be different) (2) John Locke appears to have a good relationship with his father (3) Jack's appendix being removed (if that wasn't before 1977, then Jack was also Doogie Houser). I'm trying to think of some more, but I believe several have been referenced throughout the last several weeks.

@Cara
it seems as though we have the same thoery but that would mean Jacob is the bad force

WOW! I thought your review was so late because you were so blowen away by it you didn't know how to put it in words! A+ show! The best in at least 2 years! Every week we almost shut off the TV and give up. Last night rocked!

@ Jim:

Why would Jack's appendix have to be removed before 1977. I don't think Jack is in his 40's. I think he is early 30's, which means he may even have been born after 1977, and his appendix being removed when he was 7 or 8 could have been 1986ish. Right?

Okay, I guess everyone has daddy issues...Jack's being most prominent. After all, it's apparent that he's supposed to be "the Good Shepard".

@Gizmo, yeah, I've been saying that too since we saw Claire return on the Island a while back. She acts just like her, has the shifty eyes just like her, and even keeps crates of explosives. I think Rousseau was lying about who was infected.

Shifty eyes..lol Claire's camp looks very similar to Rousseau's too. And the whole, they took my baby thing, way too much like Rousseau to be a coincidence.

@Gizmo & lovesteamykeamy...I also agree with that theory. Rousseau was and Claire is paranoid beyond a doubt. The episode where we saw Rousseau shoot her boyfriend made us think he was sick because he tried to shoot her first, but maybe that's because SHE was the crazy dangerous one. Justin deemed Claire dangerous enough to want to snap her neck and kill her.

Maybe Rousseau's "friend" told her everyone else was infected. Just like Claire's "friend" told her that the Others took her baby.

Teresalyn: Didn't Ben say late last season that he had never met Jacob? I'm pretty sure that the only time Ben met Jacob, he killed him.

@Gizmo
I am not sure about Claire and Rousseau althiugh they are both jungle woman Claire is just bonkers talking about her friends, Rousseau just seemed lonly and if she was really claimed by smokey I think the others would be trying to get her but they just left her alone.

In 2001, Jack operated on Sarah after the car accident as a surgeon (not as a resident as I believe another doctor would have been in the room like when he nicked the "sac" of the one patient and his dad took over). If he were born in 1977, he would have been 24 at that time. According to Wiki:

Spine surgery is performed by doctors who have completed training in either neurosurgery or orthopedic surgery. To become a spine surgeon you must have a medical degree (8 years after high school); then complete a residency in either orthopedic surgery (5 years) or neurosurgery (6-7 years). Orthopedic surgeons who wish to specialize in spine surgery usually complete a spine fellowship following their residency, which is an additional 1 to 2 years of training. Neurosurgery residency provides adequate exposure to spine surgery, but some neurosurgeons choose to spend an additional year in spine fellowship.

So, including college, medical school, residency and fellowship it takes between 14 and 16 years of post high school education to become a spine surgeon.

So again, unless Jack is also Doogie Houser (which, who knows with Jacob...anything is possible) we are seeing effects in the Losties prior to 1977.

just a random question- when Jack asked David what music he was listening to, did anyone else think he was gonna say "Driveshaft"? and then he said "you haven't heard of them", and wasn't Jack the one who said he had never heard of Driveshaft in season 1?

Shoot, I was practically waiting for Claire to start speaking with a really bad French accent last night. ;)

There's a picture of Claire from her reappearance on the Island that is on Lostpedia (so take it with a grain of salt.) that is titled ClaiRousseau.

Just joining and haven't read all the posts. I thought the episode was a solid b. It seems like folks are forgetting the theory that perhaps the smoke wasn't always controlled by NotLocke. Cam, I am still with you on your theories Also totally thought Davids mom was Juliet (ick,,.) Scenes from next week suck.

the 1st "LOSTINAZ"

Well Ben and Ethan did come to kill Rousseau in season 5... it didn't happen, but that was their mission.

@ Jim - That's awesome. I like Dogen more with the translations.

@Anonymous
Ben told Rousseau to run the other way every time she heard the whispers. So she definitely avoided them. The others are not trying to get Claire, I don't think they want the ones that are claimed. I know they wanted to kill Sayid, but maybe that is because he is in the temple already.

The only reason I say this is agreeing with I think it was Saffyreblue. I think the bomb is a Red Herring. The bomb was probably just another WHH/the incident. Also, it brought the Losties Back to the Future (sans a Delorean of course).

@ Jim:

If a Delorean was involved that would be the greatest thing ever!

I'm glad you enjoy them Good Omen. I'll be sure to check with my friend each week.

@ Jim:

LOL! Doc Martin was one crazy dude! Roads? Where we're going we don't need Roads!

Ooops....I meant Doc Brown. Where the heck did Doc Martin come from???? LOL

@Gizmo
Sorry that anonymous was me I just think that Claire seems way more haunted and confused than Rousseau who just seemed broken to me... I could be wrong `1 Rousseau did try to do the same type of electric stuff to Sayid that Dogan did to diagnose him (which they probally did to her at some point)so here I am just proving myself wrong

@kt...That's true...I can't remember if Rousseau was branded, but we saw last night that Claire had been in the temple and "tested". It's no surprise that Christian and Flocke are filling her head with stories about the Others having Aaron...she already has a reason to be upset with them.

Isn't that scar on Jack in the same place that Kate stitched him up in the very first episode?

If Claire pulls out the wire, Jin better run.
I think that Claire is just in the earlier stages and Rousseau had been that infected longer so she was more...adjusted?

-I just finished re-watching season 1 of Lost and it seems like The Black Smoke Monster/Man in black had an interest in Locke and has been manipulating him since the beginning.

-The man in black can't leave the island and he can't kill Jacob himself because of the rules. I remember when Ben's daughter was killed, Ben went to Widmore's home and told him he wasn't supposed to kill Alex because of the rules and he isn't allowed back on the island. So I'm thinking the man in black and Widmore's have to be kept apart?

- If Ben was on Team Jacob how come he could summon the black smoke monster from his basement cave sink thing? Is he playing both sides?

-I'm thinking Kwon means Jin and Sun's baby since Jacob touched them both.

@Kruxoli Your comment about Claire dying made me think of what I thought when that episode aired. When Claire came down the hall after taking a shower she was like a different person. Maybe the water in that Dahrmaville house came from the fountain.... I mean the water comes out the shower head then drains somehow into Ben's little secret portolet in his basement....I too always thought Claire died and the fact she came back all fine was too fishy for me to take it at for what it seemed.

Do we know for sure that the church in the mirror was the church where Jacob saw Sawyer? If so, does anyone have screen shots? I saw a screen shot of where Jin and Sun got married, and that was definately the other image in the mirror.

Still no comments about David's pink lipstick???

@ Lost Again:

Kate sewed Jack up on his side....was this the same place they showed his scar last night?

What do you think the electric shock treatments do to someone infected that they don't do to a normal person? ditto the brand. Seriously? Blowing smoke over him made more sense to me.

anyone else worried about our friend Ssahrabadara or whatever her handle is she hasn't been on here this season maybe smokey got her...

LOVE that Kwon means foot

So what's going to happen when Claire sees Kate in the jungle?

@ Thomas:

I know it was a while ago, but I remember us (not you and me, but "us" as in people who post here) going back and forth about how unrealistic it was that Claire was just fine and dandy after the explosion. I may need to go back and rewatch that ep though because I don't remember her showering... (nothing perverted, I just don't remember that part).

I don't remember Claire dying, either. She asked Kate to take Aaron (maybe the darkness hadn't reached her heart yet) and she wandered off with Christian. Did she die before that? And I've seen every ep. Hmmm, I may need to get last season from netflix.

@des-is....
Sorry your name is too long lol.
The only thing I could pick up when Sayid was being diagnosed is that he was so weak compared to the reagular Sayid, maybe once you are infected you become a wuss for the first 24 hours or something like that?

LOL, kt! Of course if you were shot, that would also make you a wus for a while, huh?

I think Locke or Sawyer carried Claire out of the house that was bombed and she did not look or feel well after, then for some reason I remember a shower (not as a scene) maybe she had wet hair or something.. But now my mind is going crazy thinking about fountain water...

I don't remember her showering either but I do remember thinking it was weird that she was so ok after the blast- totally healed. So the fountain heals you but ALSO infects you? Don't get it.

@Jim

Here are some screenshots of the mirror images in the Lighthouse.

http://lost.cubit.net/archives/2010/02/images-from-6x05-the-lighthous.php#more

@ Des-Is-My-Constant:

Claire may or may not have died in a previous episode. She was in Dharmaville with Kate and Claire was in a house that exploded. Sawyer found her, and she seemed fine. Later, she abandoned Aaron in the middle of the night. When the Losties were reunited, I believe Sawyer said that she walked off into the jungle in the middle of the night. The next time we saw her she was in the cabin with Christian...

I looked at the screencaps of Jack's apartment. From this pic, it doesn't look like Jack and Christian had that bad of a relationship in the alt. timeline, but didn't he tell David that his dad told him he didn't have what it takes and he carried it around with him for his whole life?
http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/2372339073a145572888c9cc242f0cd3

I'm thinking that Claire died in the explosion and was "infected" by FLocke/Smokie/Christian so that Aaron would be separated from her...That goes back to an earlier post today about a dream Claire had about Locke...

Okay, Krux, it's coming back to me now. Does any one else remember if Ben ever met Jacob before he killed him. I think not, and that he may be a plant by Smokie/Flocke.

There are a lot of pictures of Jack and his dad scattered throughout Jack's apartment. Could just be them posing as happy family, for all we know. Lord knows my family has those pictures still. ;)

HURLEY- "what if these skeleetons r us"
I totally thought that back in the day.
And I think the losties will vs each other in
Wich "sideway" to live.
What was up with that promo pic ala last supper stlye & the eye colour?
Or am I tripping? I dunno how they wrapped all that up in this last season. Can't wait to find out.
Love lost & all ya'll

Haha daniel 2 if there a guy who's into LOST I'm kinda in to him. Lol

@Des
No, Ben even admitted that he had never met Jacob before that night he killed him.

I don't believe Ben ever met Jacob. Here's what Ben said to him on last seasons finale:

BEN: Oh... so now, after all this time, you've decided to stop ignoring me. Thirty-five years I lived on this island, and all I ever heard was your name over and over. Richard would bring me your instructions--all those slips of paper, all those lists--and I never questioned anything. I did as I was told. But when I dared to ask to see you myself, I was told, "You have to wait. You have to be patient." But when he asked to see you? He gets marched straight up here as if was Moses. So... why him? Hmm? What was it that was so wrong with me? What about me?!

Kind of sounds like he never had seen Jacob before from that.

what I want is a richard centric episode, I want to see his back story, please tell me that we get one of these this final season!

@ LSK:

I agree, I don't think Ben and Jacob ever met/physically interacted before Ben shanked him...

Does anyone have a number associated with them that isn't crossed off other than Kate (I think she's 51). Here's what I'm thinking...and you Kate haters will hate this as well...but I think Kate might be the variable and the most important character. As I recall, the numbers are Valenzetti's equation, trying to predict the end of days. We have accounted for all of them with Locke, Sawyer, Reyes, Shepherd, Sayid and Kwon (don't know which as of yet). Kate is 51 AND NOT CROSSED OFF AS OF YET. Also, Dharma was there in essence performing experiments trying to change the equation thereby changing the end of time. Maybe Jacob is essentially a metaphysical Dharma in that he is attempting to "change" the equation. That's why each time people come it's not the same (according to MIB) but rather progress...we are getting closer to changing the equation with Kate being the variable. Ironically enough, it appears as of now that she is going to wander off into the wilderness on her own (easy for us to forget about her). Also, Jack has feelings for her as well as MIB's main hunchman (Sawyer...don't even tell me that he feels nothing for her...she just needs to take him back to the Polar Bear cage and the animal instincts will resurrect). Thus she could be the perfect person to unite the two factions.

Regarding the pictures in the mirror- I think that the church that appeared before Jack's house must have been the one that Sawyer was at for his parent's funeral (not the one where Sun and Jin were married). Remember, Hurley was working his way up to the number 108, and the church appeared BEFORE number 23 (Shephard). Kwon is number 42. But Ford is 15 and so that would make sense.

@LSK - thank you for the Ben/Jacob lines.

Doesn't Ben sound like he's talking to his dad? or a dad? In Ben fashion, of course

@lovesteamykeamy....I think you will be very happy next week!!!!! ;-)

I knew it!!! I remember Ben ranting and raving at Jacob! Some one else posted that they had met, but I was so sure! Thanks, Losties!

reading the Claire is dead on the Theories page of Lostpedia very interesting ideas..

@ Thomas:

Care to elaborate/share any jucy tidbits...?

As I recall, there were 2 images prior to Jack's house. One was a Japanese looking structure. I saw (It might have been under last weeks post at the end awaiting this weeks opening up) a screen shot of Jin and Sun on their wedding day. The building there is definately the building in the mirror image. That's also the day Jacob touched them.

a couple of thoughts...

David and Daniel play the piano, think that is important at all?

UnLocke and Jacob have both used Christian to manipulate Jack. UnLocke took over Christian's Being (we're assuming), and Jacob used the "didn't have what it takes" line to get Jack to go w/ Hurley.

I got the ultimate theory, Claire's mother will bring Aaron to Charles Widmore and try to talk with him about all she has learned... Widmore will be like whooaaa theres my meal ticket, and the person coming to the Island that Jacob talked about is Aaron, but Widmore will bring him there hopefully with help from Desmond! and the Final showdown will begin......

She will find out about Widmore via something she traces through Christian somehow... It's a little loose but at the least it gets some good characters back in the mix

anonymous was me....

@ Cara:

Daniel? Are you referring to the Daniel who runs the blog? Is there an Daniel on LOST that I am unaware of...

kruxoli get your mind right haha
Daniel Farraday

@ Thomas:

I like where you're going with that...

@ Thomas:

Friggin Faraday...figures, I never refer to him as "DANIEL" only Faraday...

Thanks!

If Ben never met or communicated with Jacob directly, then how did he find the shack with Jacob in it? It sure looked like they were talking to each other. I just assumed that we couldn't hear what they were saying. When Locke finally heard Jacob say "help Me" I thought Ben had heard it too. Things were flying around room and Ben was shouting at him. It was sure a good imitiation of talking to Jacob.

It doesn't explain the dialogue between Jacob and Ben right before he was killed, but with Ben we never know. Maybe I give Ben too much credit, but he has "appeared" in the past and proved to be stronger than we thought.

@ Jim:
Lostpedia says Dogen tells Hurley in Japanese "You're lucky that I have to protect you. Otherwise I'd have cut your head off." Also, the church is where Jacob visits Sawyer after his father's funeral and the asian building is where Sun and Jin were married

this theory would be very interesting coupled with the theory that Claire could be Penny's mother if she didn't skip through time... Thus we have a situation where Widmore would be protecting Aaron and Eloise would be out to kill him, since Claire/Penny would explain the falling out between Eloise and Charles. Widmore didn't leave the island and get someone pregnant he left with Penny to get her off the island

I think Cara was referring to Daniel Farraday.

@ icculus96- i think next week is when we learn my richard's story :) if not, then i will not be a very happy blogger next wednesday!

oops! that was me @ icculus96 :) see how happy richard makes me? i forget my name! LOL

@ TeresaLynn:

Yeah, you and Thomas reminded me...I never refer to him as "DANIEL," only as "FARADAY." I guess that's why it slipped my mind...

Kruxoli is correct that Claire was pulled out of the exploded house by Sawyer. He and Miles then left with Claire and Aaron to go back to the beach (I think). When Sawyer asked if she was ok, she said something like - well, I'm not dead, and Miles said something like - don't be so sure or I'm not so sure. That lead a lot of us to speculate that Claire was dead because Miles talks to dead people.

Sawyer, Miles, Claire and Aaron slept in the jungle and in the morning Claire was gone. Miles said she walked off with her father. Then Sawyer and Miles found Aaron crying and took him with them. Kate took over Aaron after Sawyer got him safely back to the beach. We didn't see Claire again until she was in the cabin with Christian.

@ Greenblat:

Thanks! I forgot all about Miles' comment about Claire...

okay, so I guess the consensus is Ben never saw or talked to Jacob. I just visited Lostpedia. I love that web site.

It blows me away, because Richard always seemed to defer to Ben. I guess I should be used to mind blowing events.....I'm going to rewatch LAX part 1.

@greenblat your missing the part where they went to Ben's house and Clarie changed into clean clothes, thats why I thought for some reason she had taken a shower, I remember a Gray and white striped shirt and maybe her combing her hair, Deff not the close she is wearing when Sawyer carries her from the house...http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Sawyer-Carries-Claire.jpg

"9:43 -- So Jack's kid can really play the piano -- do we know of anyone he may have inherited that from? "

I think in one of the flashbacks, Juliet played the piano as a kid, at least there was one in her house. So, possibly Juliet is David's mother.

I think MIB explained it best last nite to sawyer. WHY does he want to protect the island. i tihnk MIB IS SICK of having to stay on that island, BUT i don't think MIB can leave (game between jacob and MIB) until MIB has enough candidtats. otherwise he's damned to enteranl life on the island. but MIB doesn"T want to protect the island. jacob does. like ben adn widmroe do.

jack was playing piano when he was staying with the others in that house - kate came in - he was playing the piano and he told her they were being watched

@thomas - she has been on the facebook page but only minimally - ssarah badara that is. she has not been fully claimed by smokie - that we know of at least

Does anybody have any theories about why Smokie would kill some people & not others. I am still mad about Mr. Eko getting killed!! Bring him back! Take Kate instead!!

Was the church in the mirror the monastery where Desmond was?

Teresalyn, Ben faked the conversation in the cabin with Jacob to impress Locke. Whose voice was it? Maybe MIB since he's the one who inhabits dead people. I think both Jacob and the MIB liked to mess with Ben. He seems like a pawn between them, used by both. I wonder what Ben will do when he realizes this?

I do think the whole Kate/Jake?/Saywer thing is finally over that's why we got the dock scene and the scene with Kate in the jungle maybe we can all move on now

Jack not Jake

Just finished reading Lostpedia's summary of all the actions of the MIB/FLoke/smoke-monster. MIB is the one who appears as most of the island's dead people (except the ones seen by Hurley)...Christian, Eko's brother, some of the Dharma people. Check it out, it is really informative!

also what does everyone think about Christian not being in this episode at all? Does it mean that Jake is finally over his Daddy issues?

AARRGH!!

Jack is such a Neanderthal (with a dumb part in his hair): "Me angry!! (grunt grunt) Me take my big stick and break down shiny glass!! (grunt grunt)"

Or maybe he's just a kindegartener?: "Oh, yeah? Jacob won't play with me? I'm gonna break all his toys!!! Take THAT"

What happened to being a grown-up, patiently and intellectually (isn't he an MD??!?!?!) thinking it through, like, "Hmmm... what else can I learn from this mirror? Maybe I can discover where everyone is? Perhaps this isn't the reflection of my past, but of what's happening now ((like what Flash-Sideways Jack is doing))???

So annoyed with his stupidity. I guess that's what happens when both your parents die in a car accident and you have to raise your 4 younger siblings!!!

i'm still here thomas. ive given up theorizing and what not kinda. just waiting to see christian. that and i dont have a lot of time this season. graduating and traveling abroad in a couple months so im just trying to get it all situated. but thanks for wonderin!

that being said -

1) until i see solid proof, i refuse to believe Christian is on the side of Esau (my name for fake-Locke)
2)thinking Juliet is David's mom - more appropriate age range and occupation for me, over kate.
3) does anyone else wonder about Jack's grandpa anymore? Ray? was he there just to be there?
4) im sticking to the bible theory, still (and David mos def helps it out) - Shephard family is descended from Jacob
5) the horrible photo shopped photo of the shephard family - christian in all white (not a lab coat) is not a coincidence.

@Bree
I was thinking the same when he went postal in the lighthouse like wt are you doing this thing is the key, the actual lighthouse to show us the way home . Good thing Jacob's been around the block afew times and was two steps ahead of him. Based on this Sawyer seems to be a better leader remember all the stuff he said re leadership to Jack last season? But my gut tells me this story started out about Jack and will end that way but he is such a hothead, maybe similar to Jacob's personnality in the dinosaur ages

I haven't read everyone's posts yet but thought about this for Davids mom. How about Ilana? Her features fit. We know its someone NOT on Oceanic 815 and we know its probably someone we have seen before. I think there is significance to her in someone's past.

Charlie also played the piano. His mom told him that with the piano he would become successful and "save" them. Liam eventually sold it. Charlie had a dream that Aaron was trapped in it and then the piano was going into the water.

I like the idea that Juliet could be David's mother. The blue eyes, yes, but he also has freckles, like Kate. Meeting up with Sawyer in the sideways, I like... After all, it was Sawyer that brought her flowers, from the garden, on the island. How romantic !!!

Jack, on the other hand, would never, up until now, do such a loving gesture. If he was an absent father, he was likely an absent husband as well. So yes, Juliet could be seeing Sawyer on the sly.

Does anyone remember the picture that ABC put out for one of the Lost promos and it looked like the last supper? I was looking at that and Lock/Flock is sitting in the middle and the left side of him is:
Sawyer, Kate, Sayid, Claire, Richard and Iliana. On his right side is Jack, Jin, Hurley, Ben, Miles, Sun and Lawnmower man. Jack and Sawyer are both standing on each side of Flock/Lock. I wonder if these will be the two sides/good vs.evil ???? Just a thought.

For a sixty seven year old woman, I thought that Veronica Hamel looked great. She had the same vibe as Eloise. Great Dames. PS...did anyone watch in high definition ? Whats the verdict ?

I just happened to go to Lostpedia and was reading a post that called this picture "The Lost Supper" and the post was referring so to someone as the "Judas" and betraying Flock. Maybe that picture does have some meaning after all ???????

Game On...Go Team Canada !!!

@ Desmond'sLostShephard

You can't believe everything you read online. My friend is pretty confident his interpreting of Dogan's lines is correct!

I wam also wondering if Jacob had/has the aility to "infect". Christian visited Jack off the island. Eko and Charlie visited Hurley off the the island. I'm just not confinced Christian was "infected" by MIB. It would make more sense for Jacob to use them to carry his message. Not sure if this is relevant or even probable.

I checked out The Lost Supper. Super cool. I have been wondering why Ben killed Locke in the first place. I know he said it was necessary to get back to the island, but why? The end result was he ended up killing Jacob. Not sure how after 1000's of years Jacob was able to be killed....by Ben....there has to be more.

Maybe the lighthouse is the island key to access people who come there. Jacob had very little reaction to Hugo telling him about the mirror. Hence the "Through the Looking Glass"?

Towards the end of this episode I started thinking that maybe Smokie/MiB was using Christian's body before he started using Locke's. Not sure if I'm forgetting something that could poke holes in that theory though.

David has bright blue eyes... Maybe he is the Prodigal Son... Maybe the Indigo Child...He may be the key. He is the gifted one.

He is David to Locke's Goliath. He may be the Shepard written on the cave wall. That is why it is written in darker penmanship at the Lighthouse. He is the new Shephard recruit.

I am under the impression that Jacob may have visited the people off the island in order to protect them from the Lohn Jocke (a.k.a. MIB). Thus, it was not the death of Jacob that made their lives turn out differently, but rather, the death of Jocke (who, keep in mind is the one trapped on the island, not Jacob).

I am also under the impression that Ben was a pawn in Jocke's game. Consider the fact that Ben has never seen Jacob and Jacob did not seem to recognize Ben, coupled with the fact that "the loophole" is that the killings must occur with their "own free will." This leads one to believe that Ben was manipulated to kill Jacob (by means of his own free will). I guess what I am trying to say is that during this entire time, the person Ben communicated with, and John Locke communicated with Jocke ("help me" - referring to Jocke being trapped on the island).

I also think it is important to note the "dead-infected" theory is entirely possible. For example, consider the russian guy who was killed numerous times.

Thoughts?

-K.N.

P.S. The "Daddy Issues" theory is really interesting too, because almost all the main characters have had issues with a Father figure-type.

@Flashest monk...What say ye brutha ?

Long time reader, first time poster.
I don't think it was MIB we hear say "Help me" to Locke. When Ben and Locke first go to the cabin, its surrounded by ash. We know that Smokie can't cross the ash, and we know that Flocke is Smokie, so I don't see this as probable. But when Hurley goes, he breaks the ash line. After that we see Christian, who we know is more or less MIB in disguise.

Also, I'm liking Hurley's idea about Adam & Eve being the Losties from another time frame. Even more so I like someone else's idea about it being Rose and Bernard. Personally, I think they're Flocke and his lost love maybe.

Anyone also think that this whole Flocke thing was foreshadowed by Jack's conversation at the end of Season 1 with Kate about "the Locke problem" they were gonna have?

@ Elle
I too am curious about if Ben is aware of both sides in this. How can he summon Smokie while working for Jacob, since Smokie/Flocke hates Jacob. This is something that is really bugging me.

The last episode about John Locke was great! But I give this episode a D. It wasn't even average. Except for the Hurley segments, this episode was a bore. This season so far tells me that the producers bit off more than they could chew. The first season was amazing, but it seems that each subsequent season is worse than the one before it.

you are crazy for giving this episode a C-, especially since you mentioned that you have a feeling it will lead to bigger & better things.. this is just one of the episodes that needs to be there just to set up for the next big thing. the whole last season is going to be jam packed with action and the closer we come to end, the more intense it will become.. i say hold your horses and just let it all work itself out

Jack also played piano in that bar/restaurant in the flashback where he was having issues writing his vows. So I don't think Faraday is involved with Jack's son at all.

My main question (with sub-questions!) from this episode is: Why on earth would Jacob go to ALL that trouble with those cliff ladders to go to the cave to write numbers and names on the ceiling when he already has the lighthouse that has the names neatly organized (and it's safer to get to)? Does he really need two lists? Are we sure that the cave is used for Jacob's candidates or could it be used by Flocke for his recruits? I like the theory that Jacob vs. Flocke is more Destiny vs. Free Will instead of good vs. evil. Jacob led Hurley and Jack to the lighthouse where the numbers/names are neatly organized (in a pre-destined pattern, if you want). Flocke brought Saywer to the cave where the numbers/names are all jumbled up and seemed to be written impulsively. I could be making assumptions where they don't belong, but I'm leading towards the cave being Flocke's, and the lighthouse being Jacob's.

And before anyone asks this, if the numbers are taken from Magical Mirror Picture Dial Express thing, I have no idea how Flocke got the numbers. Unless he just sauntered up the stairs are smarmy-like.

"I'm starting to get mildly irritated by the previews at the end of each show and the whole 'The time for questions is over!'....they need to play that promo near the end of the season, when it actually makes sense to do so!" - Betheaux

I'm confused by comments like this, and others that say that Season 6 isn't impressive yet...

I am getting my mind blown every week, whether I learn completely new information, or affirming something my girlfriends and I have theorized, or something we've researched... It's amazing the amount we are learning! Think of The Lighthouse for instance - we had dialogue from Jacob for one thing, and that's always a good epoisode, saw that Hurley had to lead Jack to the Lighthouse, they actually arrive a short time later, we SAW the lighthouse in the same episode, then they found an incredible pendulum at the top with 360 names written on it, including their own, saw VISIONS of their childhoods at individual numbers, came to the realization that they had always been watched, then we had smashed mirrors, yelling, and then MORE speaking to Jacob and he even made a JOKE!!! It Blew My Mind!! If this were two seasons ago, that one piece of this week's episode would have taken ALL friggin' SEASON. Just sayin'.

I think some people are getting spoiled on LOST. Yea, I said it.

@ fanolost: I didn't realize that was already posted. I came to this conclusion whilst watching the episode in real time. sorry, I have a life and can't read everybody's blog or post. but after seeing (not necessarily reading) all your posts, I can see that you have a lot more time on your hands than I do.

Daniel Faraday and David are both playing Fantaisie Impromptu in C-Sharp Minor. Daniel played it in The Variable as a boy.

@Eternally Lost That's really harsh.

Time Is On My Side... just like the Stones covered.

Is there some remote chance, that Jacob & MIB are father & son, therefore the beginning of "daddy issues" for all time...I know zip about the bible, but after meeting Jack's grandfather-last season (btw I think was planting a seed with Christian's shoes) perhaps Jack is a "Shepherd" aka protector of the island..."He who walks amoung us, but is not one of us." Whatever Ellie said by the polar bear cages so many seasons ago..I did find online that Jacob's favorite son was Joesph- but other than a techincolor dream coat- I don't believe we've met A Joe on LOST...the end is nearing!

"Lost Supper" -- Reminder: The promo picture for Season six of LOST (on ABC.com) was a depiction of the Last Supper from the Biblical Gospels.

In this picture, John Locke is where Jesus is usually sitting and interestingly, Sayid is where Judas (Jesus' betrayer) is originally sitting. If Not-Locke turns out to actually be the good guy, then Sayid could very well be a bad guy if he fulfills the role of Judas as betrayer. In Luke 23 it talks about how "Satan entered into Judas." Maybe this Biblical reference to possession has something to do with the supposed 'infection' or the taking over of bodies.

---BUT, if Not-Locke IS in fact the bad guy he appears to be...then maybe Sayid will appear "bad" at first but then end up BETRAYING Not-Locke, which would essentially be a good thing.

Kind of an inside-out way of relating it to the Biblical account. But the character placement in promo picture HAD to have some sort of significance, especially for Jesus and Judas.

The context of the Last Supper was Jesus' remaining hours before he was willingly crucified even though he was innocent.

According to the story Jesus rises from the grave on the third day...

How many days has Jacob been dead?...

@michelle ingrao, that's a pretty good idea! Jacob's favorite son was Joseph, and he showed his favor in many ways, which led his other sons to resentment... sounds like a good daddy issue idea!

@sk,
nice catch with the music being played. It might not actually be important to the storyline, but I think it's fun to take note of those little connections :o).

There are at least three versions of that Last Supper promo, they are all slightly different.

I'm staying with the theory that Claire is Penny's mother, She never died, Time skipped to Eloise and Charles' camp and shacked up with Charles. Widmore leaves the island to get Penny off the island..Also going with Widmore returning to the Island with Aaron with help from Desmond.

So we would have.. Penny, Ethan, and Aaron born on the island (I think those are the only ones)

I think Aaron is still a huge factor here. I think "sane" Claire demanded Kate not bring him to the island to keep him safe and out of the whole messy thing. Now that she's "crazy" Claire, she seems ruled by Flocke, he is likely pushing her to find Aaron as he has a need of some kind for him.

Random thought - we all assume miles is important because he speaks to dead people, but has he ever seen one? I mean every time he speaks to the dead, they are either not present or buried underground. maybe he cant see dead people like hurley can

@ Greg:

Miles can't "see" dead people, he communicates with a "feeling". He can talk to their spirit, because he spoke to the spirit of the kid that told him where the money was in that house he went to, but he doesn't see them.

@sk -- I think you're right about David being important. The word "candidate" was on the poster Jack looked at in the lobby of David's audition.

@jaytch and @sk - earlier up on the postings (or maybe on the last week's) I threw out that it appears in the other timeline a generation was skipped (Dogen/Jack, etc.) and that we're seeing the next cycle of candidates as their offspring. What we don't know is why Jack's generation was not picked - or did something happen to make all the Losties 'unfit' to be islanders...

@saffyreblue I get what you're saying, but i just wonder if there is anything to having the bodies be underground.. like losties are only truly dead unless they are buried.

***POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT*** ***POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT***

Here's my weekly TVGuide Magazine contribution. William Keck interviews "Dogen".

Lost's Temple Master Speaks

What are we to make of Lost's perplexing temple master? He tried to drown and poison Sayid then in the February 23 episode, he turns up in Jack's flash-sideways as a father advising Jack to be a hands-on dad. And exec producer Damon Lingelof says, on March 2, "Dogen's mysterious origins and history with the island are fnally revealed" as he faces off with Sayid. I tracked down actor Hiroyuki Sanada in his native Tokyo to find out more. In the March 2 episode, we'll learn why Dogen left Japan for a new life on the island. Hiro hints his appearance in Jack's flash-sideways suggests that Dogen's paternal influence may be realized in the temple. Also significant is the name of Dogen's hippie translator, Lennon (as in the peace-loving Beatle), as well as Dogen's name and constume, modeled after a 13th-century monk who introdced Zen meditation to Japan. "I believe Dogen and Sayid will experience some kind of friendship in the end," Hiro says. "Temples are built for peace and saving people."

@ Gregg:

I definitely think there is something to burrying the dead bodies. Remember Amy and Dharma were ADAMANT that the men that Sawyer killed to save Amy were burried. They were very worried about those bodies. I think it has something to do with the "infection" aka MIB. But, I don't know how Dharma would have known that...

"I lied to a samurai" -Hurley
LOVE IT!

the one thing i can't wrap my head around is why didn't Jin explain about Aaron immediately? he knew that Justin knew something about the Ajira plane and it seems like his character would have more motivation to keep Claire from killing a guy that seems to have info and willing to share it to a certain extent?

Have we considered that #108 Wallace may not even be a man? My guesses for Wallace are Ilana, Penny, Desmond....there I said it.

one thing i enjoy about the flash sideways it is like the pictures in highlights magazine growing up...what's the same and what is different? jack still has the jeep, a surgeon, mccutcheon whiskey reference etc. different - has a kid yadda yadda - same with kate - she still encounters claire in both timelines, still accused of murder etc etc...

i loved hurley and miles playing tic tac toe - hurley - tie again, miles - shocker...very clever

another alice reference with the book, the key under the rabbit, mirrors etc.

i also love the star wars reference when Jacob tells Hurley in the passageway to tell Dogen he can do what he wants due to being a candidate. tho why wouldn't he tell him Jacob told him? Dogen already knows Jacob talks to him...

it's like the parallel universes are one is where they break their "cycle" - jack realizing he doesn't want David to carry the burden he did. and the other is where they are stuck in the cycle. we are all just psychic wounds walking around with our mommy and daddy issues and until we can uncover them, make ourselves aware and then allow that wound to heal we are doomed to repeat history (hence the adage)

in the next scenes it had was it Not Locke stating something such as "we're the ones that won't listen"

So, looking back at the first few seasons when our focus was the conflict between the Losties and the Others who lived in Dharmaville; why were the Others surprised that the plane crashed? Even if they didn't know the plane was going to crash, Jacob knew the names of the people who were on it (from the Lighthouse). How do the names on the Lighthouse dial correspond with the List made of the Losties? Why was there such conflict between the Losties and the Others? With everything we now know I feel like Dogen or Jacob should have strolled onto the beach and said something like "welcome, we have been expecting you..."

I like the idea that Ben was being conned by the MIB, but Richard was with Ben. Whose team does that put Richard on? Richard obviously doesn't get along so well with MIB.

Are we seeing a possible taking of sides with Hugo and Miles? Both 'sides' would probably want someone who can communicate with 'departed' islanders - and Hugo is with Jacob for now.

Would Miles go with MIB if given the proper incentive?

Just trying to set up the next cycle = Jack/Sawyer, Miles/Hugo, Richard/Dogen [maybe], Ben/Kate, heheheh

When Hurley saw Jacob at the Temple, did anyone else notice that Jacob was scattering something, a powdery substance/ashes...a part of himself ? into the waters.

@fanolost: maybe if MIB offered him $3.2 million!

The Lighthouse was useful in aiding the Black Rock's navigation to the island . If the Black Rock set sail from England in 1845, on a trading mission to Thailand, how in the heck did it end up in island territory ?

I also think that Jack went loco and smashed the mirrors because he realized that Jacob had been stalking him from afar his whole life.

@cara - HA...

@sk - I'm not convinced the lighthouse is stationary - sorta like the cabin.

And I still have a hard time with the Black Rock date. The ship is clearly not 1800s. Late 17th to early 18th century, but not mid 19th... Could it be a red herring? Is it a prop person's nightmare?

@fanolost...Widmore bought the ship's first mate's journal at Southfields auction house. According to the auctioneer, he confirmed the date of the Black Rock's voyage was March 22 1845.

That is the reason Widmore wanted it so desperately. It was a first hand account of how the Black Rock encountered the island. It must have contained latitude and longitude coordinates.

@sk - I know that there's a reference to the 1845 date. Doesn't change what is not a 19th century vessel - and why they would be so lax about that...

@fanolost...OK. Point taken. But we can agree to disagree.

My computer was down for a while, so I am just getting back to speed on this site.

My two questions:

1) Why doesn't KATE have a "number"? JACOB visited her as a child ---just as he met with all the others.

2) Who is JACK's ex-wife? Someone wrote it could be JULIET -- possible. However, at some time in the LAX world, JULIET will meet SAWYER and suggest the go "dutch" for coffee. So then JACK/SAWYER would be feuding over the same woman.

I liked the last 2 episodes--we are getting answers, and parts of some answers.

We have about 11 episodes to go, so we cannot have EVERYTHING revealed yet.

Hope someone speculates on my 2 questions. Thanks!

One more thing:

Where the F*** is DESMOND????

@ BB:

We do not know yet who Jack's ex is in the LA X timeline.
Kate does have a number, 51 I believe. It was in the Lighthouse.

@bb - Hi!! Some of us do think Juliet could be the 'ex' - and if so, I think she ditched her son's candidate competition for the coffee-dutch-date with Sawyer. Totally speculative.

Others wonder if Libby is the ex... since David is the name of her ex - the one who owned the boat that she sold to Desmond.

I thought Austen was on the lighthouse list, but someone correct me...

Way above, someone was discussing the name 'Kwon.' From my office pal's mum (Korean) - A Korean last name doesn't really have a 'meaning' like, say, Miller, Weber, etc. 'Kwon' origin is the Chinese Hanja (spelling?) character - and that character's meaning is 'Power/Authority.'

Kwon has a meaningful meaning when it is paired with other characters - like Tae Kwon Do - where, in this case, the Kwon is 'hand.' Just throwing it out there...

@ Saffyreblue re:

@ Jim:

Why would Jack's appendix have to be removed before 1977. I don't think Jack is in his 40's. I think he is early 30's, which means he may even have been born after 1977, and his appendix being removed when he was 7 or 8 could have been 1986ish. Right?

Posted by: Saffyreblue | February 24, 2010 01:09 PM

if jack was born in 1970 that would make him 34 in 2004..that sounds about right (but personally i think he's even older than 34) which could mean that he had his appendix out before 1977. just sayin.

Matthew Fox (jack) is 43. Elizabeth Mitchell (Juliet) is 39.

Doesn't it have character birthdays on LOSTpedia or anything? That would probably make all this age debating a lot easier.

Anyone notice in Jack's mom's house, every picture with Jack & Christian, they are both in tuxedos, Jack in black and Christian in white?

@anonymous:
It is believed that Jack Shephard was born between 1969 and 1970

@cc - really? that's interesting

OK, I'm having a bit of an issue. How is it that FLocke/Smokie took the form of Real Locke, leaving Real Locke's body. How come Christian's body isn't still in his coffin? How was FLocke/Smokie able to umm "ressurect" Christian? Shouldn't Christian's body still be in his coffin...?

@Kruxoli - I'm struggling with that stuff as well. My latest theory is that Smokie/MIB can resurrect the dead/unburied bodies (so they are like zombies, sort of) - but Smokie/MIB can take on different shapes/forms - and did so.

Somehow (and here's where I trip up) - Locke being dead (and maybe being back on island) has made it so Smokie cannot transform into anything/anybody else but Flocke and Smokie... he's stuck as either -

@ Fanolost:

Thanks, but I still don't understand...I guess we'll have to wait until we get some answers...

@ Jim - You're right, you can't believe everything you read but I think that what Lostpedia reports makes more sense to the show. Not trying to doubt your source though. Hopefully the enhanced epi next week will reveal what is said. Until then, I guess we will agree to disagree. Lol....on another note, I wonder if Sawyer will try to run a con on Juliet...

When jack was leaving the message for david, he said, "I know your mom is out of town, but I'm going over there anyway." So David's mom was not at the audition because she was out of town. That's why david was staying with jack. But, I guess she could still be juliet.

Perhaps David is the Shepard in question.

Isn't the message Jack left much like one Christian left for him when he was in Australia at the bar or something, after Claire's aunt wouldn't let him see Claire?

Or am I imaging that phone call?

I am curious to see more of Sawyer in the Sideways reality and learn what he is all about. Will his personna be closer to Sawyer to Con Man of the pre-815 world or Jim LeFleur of the Dharmaville reality (circa 1977). It will be very telling on many levels. If the Sideways world is truly a World "untouched" by Jacob, then perhaps Sawyer never went the con man path. My theory is Internet Security/Identity Theft Expert. He obviously still has a little bit of the bad boy in him, because he helped Kate when she was escaping in the airport elevator. If he is respectable and not a con man, you need to ask yourself whether Jacob was setting these tragedies (Ford's parents death, Locke's fall, Nadia's auto accident) to happen, in order to capitalize on their weakened state.

@yvette - david's mom was out of town. maybe, while out of town, juliet meets Sawyer - if she's david's mom

Am I the only one that saw Sawyer's church (where Jacob visited him) when Hurley first started turning mirrors.

Also - I bought the first five seasons on AppleTV (love that) and realized we still don't know the source of Hurley's nickname - in Season 1 he said it's a nickname and he started to say where it came from but stopped mid-sentence - did we ever learn - is it going to be important?

Just a thought to everyone who is wondering why Claire would tell Kate not to bring Aaron back to the island. Could it be possible that it was not Claire who came to Kate, but rather Flocke taking the shape of Claire? He has manipulated others this way and most of us think Claire was dead at one point and is now infected so she could easily be used by him. Maybe it's Flocke who doesn't want Aaron back on the island to help keep Claire under his control.

@ VictoriaJ:

My thoughts exactly. I think that somehow Aaron is a threat to FLocke/Smokie and he/it wants to keep Aaron as far away from the island as possible. Remember when Locke saw Claire and Christian in the cabin, I think Christian said the baby (Aaron) "is where he needs to be."

Ok - haven't read all 380 comments yet, but some things I have noticed - love the screenshots Betheaux posted

Why are Jarrah and Shephard in such different handwriting than all the other names - Ford looks like the other names - it looks like someone erased or wrote their names over other names

Have people commented on Rosseau is number 20?

my prior post points out I thought I saw Sawyer's church and there it is in the screen shots (I thought that watching it live, love when I am vindicated)

@ Suede66:

Three images were seen in the Lighthouse mirror's reflection...a church, an Asian looking building and Jack's childhood home...

My thoughts - I agree (wrote it somewhere else after watching epi) that Libby or Juliet could be David's mother and the sign said "candidates" for David's try-out at the conservatory.

I keep going back to the Rose & Bernard = Adam and Eve.

I believe Claire and Sayid are in the same state - both probably "died" (Claire after explosion).

Jack's scar is on the wrong side. Jules operated on his right side, photo shows scar on his left. Kate sewed up his upper left back area. He couldn't reach it and needed her to do it for him.

And I'm tired of the drama-queen promos for the show. We know it's the end and we're getting answers. Duh. ;)

@cara Re Ben and Others knowing people were coming - Ben sent Ethan and Goodwin to get a list of names of people on the plane (Ben wanted to know if they were candidates, although Ben didn't talk to Jacob, Richard did and would have been able to tell)

suede66 - I saw the Rousseau at 20, but don't think the name at 38ish was Linus. Looked more like Linds...

C-??
really?
do you even like this show anymore?
if this episode was not an A in your book, i am not sure what you bother watching for

Why is it that people see a need to bash Daniel about the grade his gives? I mean, I don't agree with him all the time either, but it's an opinion...give the dude a break...

I meant to say "grade HE gives"

Wasn't my favorite epi either daniel can't stand that they are STILL introducing new characters this late in the game like Jacks son! Why?! I think his mom looks terrible she was so beautiful on Hill Streer Blues. I wanted to beat the crap outta him when he broke the mirrors what a douche as Hurley would say! He had some great lines last night Obi Wan Kenobi was excellent.

@duffy Jack's scar is actually on his right side, which is correct for an appendectomy scar. The first image we saw of it was him looking in the mirror.

@Betheaux I also thought Claire had a strange reaction when Jin said Aaron is 3. Earlier in the episode, when she took the trap off his leg, she asked how long they'd been gone and he told her 3 years and she didn't seem to react to that. Definitely inconsistent.

Also, why the HECK did Jin wait so dang long to tell her Kate had Aaron? He obviously didn't want Claire to kill that guy but he waited a long time to say anything!

I'm kinda leaning towards a satisfying but not all encompassing finale. I think a trilogy of Movies directed by JJ Abrams would be the ultimate gift to us Lostites

is the Lighthouse on any maps that are out their? or in that silly video game that like 8 people played...????

we don't need all the answers (if it doesn't concern the characters it shouldn't concern us)

@ Thomas:

There's a LOST videogame?

not sure if anyone else mentioned but doesn't jack's append scar that he doesn't remember look like the branding that Juliet, claire, sayid received? doesn't it also look like jacob's face scar? is it possible that the the scar changed in some way in the LAX timeline to coincide with when he received it at the same age in the island timeline?

not sure that claire can really be a rousseau 2 in all ways....remember rousseau is the one who used the term "infected" to describe her friends about smokie back in the 70's. she knew of smokie and was no fan of his....

wasnt miles giving claire strange looks after she got blown up & they left dharmaville? i remember them walking through the jungle and him looking at her like he was looking at sayid the other day, like he couldnt tell if she was dead or alive.

@ Buttercup:

I forgot who, but somebody had mentioned that when Sawyer found Claire he asked if she was ok and she said somthing like "I'm not dead" and Miles said something like "I wouldn't be so sure..."

@ Buttercup:

I forgot who originally mentioned this, but after the explosion. When Sawyer found Claire, he asked if she was ok. She said something like "I'm not dead" and Miles said said something like "I wouldn't be so sure..."

what is the name of ethan's dad, sawyer's dharma boss? wasn't it something like 'wallace'?

Does anyone know what type of animal skull was in the bassinet? It kind of looks like it could be a boar. Could be another ref to "Through the Looking Glass". When Alice encounters the Duchess she hands her a squealing baby, which Alice discovers is a pig and lets it go.
skull:
http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/77965bfe28be7abb99cd1945e665ffb1

@ anon
Horace Goodspeed

@ buttercup, that is eerie - love miles!

Keep in mind that the island has taken the form of those who have NOT died on the island- Ben went into the jungle as a child because his dead mother(who died in Portland I think) said it wasn't his time yet...Smokie has a way of getting into people's thoughts to manipulate their decisions- just like Flocke convinced Ben to kill Jacob. I also think character's are acting as an understudy persay for others- ex. Claire is the new Danielle...Also- I wonder why it seems the cave Flocke took Sawyer to only had MALE names- no female character names. The lighthouse was almost like a master list with coordinates for everyone. I bet Jack's tatoo are his coordinates from the Lighthouse...BTW- a hard to find cave would be a great plave to plot your revenge, find a loophole and complie a list of easily manipluated indivduals from the master list in the Lighthouse. MIB had alot of time to figure out this loophole and I suspect that cave was his "thinking place"

FYI- David is Desmond's middle name...

Lovesteamykeamy: Here's a happy link for you...
http://lost.about.com/od/nextepisodewhotoknow/a/6x06whos.htm
Hope it works

LSK!!!! Above may be a spoiler for you. I avoid them generally, but it's up to you.

Now that Widmore has the Black Rock journal, who better to sail to the island than Desmond. ( as long as Penny and Charlie stay behind.)

Desmond wants out, Widmore will bring him back into the game. That's why Jack broke the mirrors...no beacon for Desmond to follow.

The Lighthouse did shine once when Hurley and Jack found it.

A list of the numbers on the Lighthouse wheel can be found on Lostpedia.

108...My money is on Vincent, The Wonder Dog...

The lighthouse hasn't appeared on any maps I've seen yet, unless its on something Caesar found, I didn't look over all that very well. Speaking of Caesar, anyone else thinking that he may play a role in this still? To me it seemed like he was killed too early, almost in a Nikki/Paulo kinda way, but except that he might have actually been of some use not just in a razzle dazzle sort of way.

Also, I actually played the game and didn't encounter a lighthouse in that either. Although the game was the first reference to time travel and alternate realities. But yeah, when I saw the lighthouse, I was like " how has no one ever seen this before?"

Was this the 108th episode of Lost ?

@cece...4:12 pm... Claire said something in jest about being infected to Jin...Just like Rousseau did with Sayid...was it Sayid or Jin ?

@sk
This was the 108th televised hour of LOST. So yeah, essentially the 108th episode.

Was just digging around on Lostpedia and found this:

David's phone number is 734-235-6787, which contains 42 and 23 melded together. 734 is also the area code for Ann Arbor, MI where Daniel Faraday was sent to work for the DHARMA Initiative.

And in regards to Wallace (108 on the lighthouse dial) I found these on Lostpedia as well:

Charles Wallace was a character in A Wrinkle In Time series of children's books. He was a psychic child in stories about time/space travel, changing the past, series of "might-have-been" events, turning point events battles between the powers of good and evil, a large evil cloud called The Black Thing, and an evil intelligence called IT who controls people's minds.

Wallace is a novel written by Jacob Abbott. Wallace (#108) and his aunt Ms. Henry (#21) are the main characters of this novel.

And lastly, this regarding different writing on the dial:

On the wheel in Jacob's Lighthouse, Shephard's name is written in a darker black ink and different handwriting than the names surrounding his. There are also several small punctures in the surface around his name and a few of those below it.

Someone may have mentioned this, I haven't read all the posts. The mirrors in the lighthouse, they could have been used for Jacob and others to leave the island. And Jack's purpose for going to the lighthouse was to smash the mirrors, so Smokey, I refuse to call it Locke, is not able to leave. Just a thought.

@Boundsoul...I like the reference to A Wrinkle In Time, a lot. And here I thought that I was on to something with Vincent. I found info that Yellow lab is an anagram for "Wally" Bole.

Jabob Wallace
MiB Wallace

Just remembered how Richard had Juliet's husband hit by a car and die when recruiting her to the island. We assumed Ben sent Richard but my guess it was Jacob's plan to manipulate her

I've read most of the comments above, has anyone considered that the mother of Jack's son could be he's ex, Sarah?

Did anyone else hear on the answering machine that David's mother's name was Kim?

Has anyone given any thought to whether the island's pregnancy issues will ever be resolved? I posted a theory on DarkUFO today about how i think that might play out if anyone is interested in checking it out... http://theoriesonlost.blogspot.com/2010/02/islands-pregnancy-issues-as-they-relate.html#more

@Kruxoli

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=67178

Hmm interesting I know the Video game was a topic on this blog in the past but now that we know about all the names at the cave and lighthouse it becomes more clear maybe??
Game was called Lost:Via Domus

Via: The 16 geomantic figures are the primary symbols used in the art of divinatory geomancy. Each geomantic figure represents a certain state of the

Doumus: A house which serves as the residence of a single, extended family

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_%28geomancy%29

@ ShamlessAddict
that's a pretty good theory. Do you think that maybe Sayid was supposed to get hit by the crazy driver instead of Nadia? Maybe his getting shot by Ben's dad was a "course correction"?

@ ShamlessAddict
Enjoyed your theory as well! Definitely something to think about.

My Theory gets juicier (in my mind haha) Widemore does not know about the Lamp Post Station or does but is not allowed there. Since that is how they determine where the island is he will either need that or lag/lon from the Black Rock Journal to find it. Or he could go find Desmond who does know about the Lamp Post which would work out great for my theory that Desmond Aaron and Widemore will return to the Island together....

So in my theory Claire is Penny's mother, and Charlie's (the baby) Grandmother, Penny and Aaron are step bro and sis. This would make a connection also to why Widemore has Thomas' painting in his office. Also makes one huge happy family between the Widemore/Sheppard/Hume/Hawking/Farraday/Littleton maybe they all make up one side of Good and Bad and all the others make up the other side. I'm having trouble finding a way to connect either Hurley, Sayid, Locke, Kate, and Sawyer into a family tree. It could be reasonable to think Kwons/Changs/Dogen could somehow be related through marriages......

Actually forgot about the loose link between Sawyer and Lockes father, and how Sawyer kind of adopted the name that Locke's father used. Also Kate would be included in the Shepperd side if she is pregnant with Jacks baby, they did have that hot hook up before the Ajira Flight......

The alternate timeline is a timeline that was effected by the blast of jughead.

It was 1977 on the island when Juliet hit the bomb. Therefore, the off-the-island lives of those on the island were changed in 1977. Example: Jack could very well have been 7 years old in 1977, when jughead exploded on the island his exsistance off the island in 1977 was merged with his island exsistance and his body realized he should not have his apendix and therefore it ruptured and was removed.

The blast of Jughead altered their real-life existance. That's how Jack ended up with David.

Also - I think before Juliet died she realized that they all had parrallel lives going on and she told Sawyer she would meet him in a coffee shop to go dutch becuase she knew she would end up with Jack and have a kid but eventually they would divorce/break-up and she could meet Sawyer.

Thoughts???...

@ Jessica

I agree with you on the possibility of JULIET being JACK's ex-wife, and mother of DAVID.....and that sets up the SAWYER/JULIET going for coffee scenario. But we all could be wrong on this as well.

We have not addressed the ELOISE picture on the MONK's desk for a while ----- any NEW ideas about that?

Where is DESMOND?????? (damn it)

So many questions; so few episodes to wrap it all up ---- loving it all!

LOST is the best!

Ooohhh - someone brought up Ceasar... are we supposed to forget when he went into the room with the desk he found a bunch of papers with writing about the 'fake' timeline and all?

I cannot imagine that's something that won't be tied into sometime soon. Then again, it's Lost.

@bb - that photo - which doesn't look real... I don't know what to make of it. Red herring? It's too obviously two different images pasted together...

Why hasn't anyone said anything about the fact that that the tattoo that Jack has on his shoulder is the dial in the lighthouse and the number 5 in the middle is the sum of his numbers 2 + 3??? I said it earlier and no one commented about it.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jack%27s_tattoo

Okay, more about the tattoo, just went back and watched "Stranger in a Strange Land", Season 3. In flashback, Jack forces Achara to give him the tattoo, when they show him getting beat up on the beach by the men because of it, when they show the tattoo, it's only the 4 Tai letters, but when they flash to island time, Jack's tattoo is shown as the 4 letters with the dial w/ the 5 in the middle of it above the letters. Wonder where Jack got the rest of that tattoo??

Um I think that tattoo's are Matthew Fox's own that he got before the show. They were going to cover them up, but left them on in the end...

So are the tattoos really Matthew Fox's???

@ 'non-mous:
@ bb:

Okay, yes. The tattoos are Matthew Fox's, but there is NO DENYING the tattoo looks eerily like the lighthouse dial with the mirror behind it, and that 2+3 = 5, and that they incorporated the letters under the tattoo into the show already...he walks among us, but is not one of us.......so I just wonder if they are going to show us Jack getting the rest of that tattoo, they do not try to cover the rest of the tattoo in the show and did incorporate the letters underneath.....Just sayin.

Or it could just be a red herring...

Does anyone remember (this season) the man sitting on the beach with Jacob and they were discussing how that man who had salt and pepper hair wanted to kill Jacob but could not unless he found a loop hole? I believe he is the man that took over Locke's body as his loophole to kill Jacob. Anyone else think that?

@ Chammie

no offense, but EVERYONE knows that!

I never read anything about him. Did he have a name.

So far, nope, he's just called The Man in Black/Smoke Monster/FLocke/Lock-less Monster... But as to his actual name, nothing.

Maybe Matthew Fox's tattoo is to remind him of the Party of Five. :o)

@cara, yeah I read that same thing too. The five is for Party of Five.

@saffyreblue I agree that the tattoo looks similar to the lighthouse dial. But since that was Matthew Fox's personal tattoo prior to filming for the show even beginning, I don't know how relevant it is.

@sk..9:41PM i'm not sure. young rousseau would not give her gun to her fiance crying that he was infected (like their other french friends) because of smokie pulling them into that hole. when she lowered her gun her fiance did try to kill her but he was killed instead...i can't remember how...maybe jin or sayid? rousseau was right about them being infected and no longer themselves. do you think her fiance who tried to kill her was actually smokie in his form? either way, rousseau did NOT want to be friends with smokie!

@sk, sorry forgot to put my name....

The writing on Jack's tattoo also doesn't actually mean "he walks among us, but is not one of us". I don't remember exactly what it is, but on Lostpedia it says its from some old chinese poem and is a quite common phrase.

Claire's best line "We have to clean that up. If there's one thing that'll kill you out here, it's INFECTION." So clever

I am thinking that the flash sideway life off the island is actually what their lives would be if they had never met Jacob at all, not what would of happened if the plane didn't crash.

@shameless addict Rousseau, like claire was advanced in her pregnancy, not at moment of conception. remember DOC episode where Juliet had to decide Date of Conception - Soul arrives at time of conception is the implication (not to raise right to life/Choose issues)

I am hoping they will resolve pregnancy issue before end and for the record, I have bought all five seasons on AppleTV so I can go back and watch it all when we have it all resolved - it's going to be great - I think every cut (flashforward/back/sideways) is going to be revealed to be placed perfectly or at least importantly once we know the whole story -

@ shameless addict:
i like your theory; very good. but how would you explain babies like ethan being born on the island? i thought he was conceived there. and why wouldn't they just give protection shots to all the pregnant women?

@thomas...8:19am..In the sideways, Aaron Littleton and David Shepherd are cousins !

@suede66...Ya ! Claire's best. LOL!!!

@suede66...I don't remember it ever being implied that the date of conception was when the soul arrives. i thought Juliet was trying to figure out Sun's DOC to determine if she conceived on island and would die like the others, but not necessarily implying anything about the baby's soul. but i hope you're right about the ending...i'm looking forward to going back and doing the same thing!

@Desmond'sLostShephard...in terms of Ethan, there could be a number of possibilities. 1) we have no idea if his mother was given any injections while she was pregnant 2) the pregnancy issues (or the war over souls) may not have begun yet at that point. 3) i am making this up as i go along and may very well be out of my mind :)

The similarities between Claire and Rousseau are spooky...Rousseau sets traps, and captures Sayid. She tortures Sayid, Sayid escapes, she finds Claire in the jungle, and then she kidnapped Aaron. Plus she hears voices...the whispers, and wants to know where Alex is.

@Michelle Ingrao - I'm there with you. I think NonLocke and Jacob are Father and Son who can’t seem to get their relationship on track. The two entities chase each other through time trying to out smart and out survive the other, but what they really need to do is resolve their differences, or the cycle continues. Kind of like reincarnation – they keep living over and over until they get ‘it’ right.

For example, at one point ‘the son entity’ is reincarnated as baby Aaron. He is trying to play out that life in a certain way and tries to manipulate the results; meanwhile, ‘the father entity’ is unable to leave the island and keeps inhabiting the bodies of dead people.

The whole show has had a strong focus on father-child relationships; such as Michael and Walt, Christian and Jack/Claire, Whitmore and Penny, Miles and his dad from the Dharma Initiative...There is also a big emphasis on parents who let their children down and the need for protection of those children from the emotional harm. Jacob rules the Others and the Others have taken on the role of protecting the children, so I don’t think it would be a far stretch to say Jacob represents the ‘son entity’.

Then there’s MIB who wants to kill Jacob and he wants to go ‘home’. He seems angry and stuck. He morphs into smoke, and Christian and Locke and kills innocent people, but maybe he’s just frustrated. At one point, he is in the body of Christian, and says to Locke before he exits the island, ‘say hi to my son’, which I believe is some mirroring at its best. He is perpetually stuck as the ‘father entity’, maybe reliving the same failure over and over and as a result, lives with some guilt and anger.

If it’s true the inscription above the lighthouse reflector that says “I show not your face but your daddy issues” then perhaps these two entities (and whatever lives they morphed into)are the most important pieces of the puzzle during each time continuum and everyone else on the island is just fillers, or pieces on the chess board…

I hope that Jin comes out of this a changed man... All of his relationships with women have been so intense.

His mother, a blackmailing prostitute. She told him that she gave birth to him, but she was not his mother.

His encounter with Rousseau and Claire in the jungle. Being trapped and caught by Claire and flashing out on Rousseau.

His marital problems with Sun in both time lines.

just a random thought i had the other day about the explosion/"resetting"/altering the timeline...could the Black Rock have been an initial attempt by either Jacob or MIB to cause some type of explosion? Think about it-first comes the Black Rock (ship full of dynamite). then Jughead is dropped in the 50's. but it doesn't go off. so then (Jacob? MIB?) manipulates Charles Widmore into sending a freighter loaded with C-4 to the island. the ship blows up offshore. but then Ben talks the Oceanic 6 into going back to the island and they end up detonating the old bomb! it just seems like a weird coincidence to me that people continuously bring explosive to the island. and since Jacob is presumably out to prove that people are NOT by nature destructive and violent, could MIB's influence be responsible? sort of a "keep resetting until i find my loophole" strategy?

@ardendweller
Claire had a nice little stockpile of explosives too in her shotgun shack.

Someone said in a comment that Shephard was written in the lighthouse dial in darker ink and with a different writing than the other names. Perhaps the first Shephard to be called to the Island was Christian, then Jacob or whoever wrote the names in the lighthouse rewrote Shephard on top of it for Jack.
I guess this has been rectified in later posts but the 5 on Jack's tatoo is Matthew Fox's own tatoo in reference to Party of Five.

o young hearts filled with ancient poetry
welcome, darling of the gods you have the same age and the same engineering
sweet Clarie be blessed as you bring in our eyes
that will follow you Airstrikes

I translated that from the words on Lockes Map. I make out all the words in the next map but it seems to say something along the lines of "It is no coincidence that the infant is brought in the same way"

Thoughts???

I guess there is a very good reason for burying the dead on the island. Boone and Shannon were buried and they were never seen again. However, Christian's body was on the plane when it crashed and was never buried and he became "infected", Claire obviously died at some point during her disappearance and was never buried and became "infected", perhaps that is also what happened to Rousseau.

I'm thinking the cabin, that we all had been led to believe was Jacob's, was actually the adversary's (Esau, FakeLocke) after he had been trapped there by the ash circle at some point in the past. Once his "house" was burnt, he was no longer able to claim a new form, leaving him stuck as Locke.

anonmymous - right on!!! I was trying to think why some were infected and some weren't after they died. It makes so much sense. That's why they needed Locke in a coffin on the plane. Although I doubt Ben knew it at the time he was helping the MIB. I still wonder if Ben isn't putting on an act of being lost and confused.

@deelzbub it makes more sense to me that the man in the shack is Jacob, just because the smoke monster was alive and well terrorizing people. What's the point of the gray ash to keep the MIB contained when he can get out as smokie any time he wants. I'm just wondering.........

Here is a very enlightening interview with Cuse and Lindelof...

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/27380810/unraveling_the_mysteries_of_lost
April 9th 2009

Just catching the news on CNN !!!. An 8.8 earthquake that rocked Chile is sending a tsunami towards Hawaii. BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES HAWAII !!!

Jacob vs Esau - rethought

So, since everything seems to revolve around Daddy issues, the Cain vs Abel - Jacob vs Esau scenario doesn't really fit, although it did seem to at first.

In light of that, could Jacob's conflict be with one of his sons, or with his father Isaac?

I hope the Lost sets and the Lost cast and crew the Best !

I hear the train a comin'... This is Lost imitating reality !!!

Lighthouse = Tower of Babel?

Anonymous at 8:16 am was me. Sorry.

Lighthouse Wheel vs Frozen Donkey Wheel

would be cool, but Babel's tower was an early skyscraper, dont think it was a lighthouse

okay, I am defnitely NOT a lost or a lost diary newbie, I rarely post. I have watched very epi from day one, so I don't get why we haven't heard about "David" before now. The alternate/no plane crash/flash sideways - what ever you want to call it is a parallell timeline right? or at least three years. that kid is at least 13. Also, how is it that we haven't seen this lighthouse with the magic mirrors. I want one by the way. Anyway, I thought we were supposed to be getting some answers, I now have more questions and less answers. I know I am days late, have been contending with a little storm up here since thursday in NH, that knocked power out to 400k+ so I am a little late with getting here. Does anyone have any insight? Oh, if you haven't seen "the Box". Nice throw to LOST though with the music and "moral" concept.

wheels of fortune?! I'll take #23 for $108 dollars please....hehehe :)

http://thornup.blogspot.com/2009_03_01_archive.html

Interesting similarities between the Lost Lighthouse and Lighthouse at Alexandria....

http://everydaymomlife.blogspot.com/2010/02/lost-lighthouse.html

Another interesting take on the Lighthouse episode...

Here is a little toe tappin' ditty for the Gold at the Olympics today. It's going to be great !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZWxErEbQkY&feature=related

The Dream Teams...Sorta like the Others vs the Losties, in a sideways !!!

Overtime here we come... OMG !

CANADA !!!

Just wanted to point out, Friends-- Kate's childhood sweetheart's name was Tom Brennan.

If you look at the second photo on http://lost.cubit.net/archives/2010/02/images-from-6x05-the-lighthous.php#more
Brennan has been crossed off the list at 35 degrees.

@ Ashley: good catch! i saw the name but couldn't think of who it was

@sk- Don't tell anyone but I saw Jacob touch Crosby's jersey between regulation and overtime tonite. I also think I saw the name Crosby on the cave ceiling, not sure.

hahaha, Flashest monk you are so funny!

oh, if anybody cares, suzie, suzie stephens, and suzanne stephens are all me.

Hey Lost folks! Just got caught up with this season...

I have questions about the "infection" going around...you're "infected" but then can be "uninfected???"

Who, pray tell, is still "infecting" Claire at this point? I mean, if she died, and was "infected" by Smokey, what about when he "left" her body to join Locke's? Is she just zombiefied now??? And Sayid? Who is supposedly "infecting" him now?

I haven't read the comments yet, but wanted to say that I have been so busy I just read this review and the week before's at the same time and thought it was funny at the end of last weeks post, you said that ppl think you are crazy on your grades sometime, but it's just that some ppl think that some parts of lost are better than others or whatever. I actually didn't care for the Locke episode and was really digging the Jack episode.

@V
I don't think "infected" means their body is inhabited by smokey. I think that is called something different.

"infected" means they slowly turn crazy and become on smokey's team or something like that. But they aren't Smokey himself.

But I could be wrong! lol!

Daniel I couldn't help but notice how you said you'd wanted to see Christian in this episode.. I'd been wondering when we would see him too but then I got to thinking and I have a theory.. I do not believe you will see Christian again.. MIB or Not-Locke is/was appearing to real Lock as Christian.. set him up so that he'd get off the island and Ben would find him and kill him then MIB could "be him" .. remember Jacob's followers said the cabin had been compromised.. who had been seen in there Christian and Claire... MIB could have appeared originally as Christian in order to get Claire to trust him.. also we know MIB can take on any dead person.. he became Alex to scare Ben into doing what he wanted...Any way I think he played Lock from the very begining while posing as Christian.. Any one else agree?

@ Lost in Boston

I think we will see CHRISTIAN again, and also agree that MiB looked like CHRISTIAN in trying to fool LOCKE, JACK, and CLAIRE as needed.

The reason I think we will see him again is the fact that in the "alternate" universe, CHRISTIAN's body is missing, so they have to deal with that. Plus, MiB may want to "get to" JACK to win him over, so JACK may see CHRISTIAN again.

Once again, however, WHERE IS DESMOND (in either universe)??? How will he get back to the island?

MiB cannot take any other form thank the one he is currently. I forget her name Lana?? told Ben, as they were carrying Locke's body to bury, he is unable to take different form, from now on, he is what he is.

@ Shellie

How would ILANA know that MiB cannot take another form? Certainly MiB can go from SMOKIE to LOCKE-NESS, so why not any other transformation?

What was ILANA's connection with JACOB ??? When she was in the hospital, JACOB came to her, and she already knew who he was.

@ bb Illana's crew knew a lot of what's going on. We need an epsiode where Illana does more talkin' But they way things go on LOST she'll probably get killed before she gets a chance to explain anything:-(

Just thought of something with all the talk of infection and Smokie inhabiting bodies. It may have been mentioned before, but Keamy and his men seemed to make sure to bury Rousseau and Karl. They must have known something from Widmore, since you'd think they wouldn't take the time to do that? Not sure if this is important anymore or not...

Happy Day Before LOST Day!

@ Standi

Good point about how ILANA and all of her crew will be dead before we find out how they knew so much! (Many are dead already!)

By the way....the LIGHTHOUSE is awesome!

(Second only to the STATUE)

Are we going to see DANIEL FARADAY again? (Great actor ---- he makes me nervous and twitchy just thinking about him.)

Saddest scene with DANIEL was after he got his PhD., and had his girfriend with him, and ELOISE said she was not invited to lunch with them. He was devastated.

BTW --- What is Eloise up to ---- in EITHER dimension??

****Possible Spoiler Alert****

Holy Moly...The Lost cast was at The Paley Festival on Saturday night. Here is a link to some of the interviews with Nestor Carbonell, Michael Emerson and more. Read at your own discretion. You have been warned !

http://blog.zap2it.com/korbitv/lost/

Hey folks, read on another site that there's a season finale spoiler out there, so be careful!

I'm starting to think that maybe Ben had NOT been off island as frequently as we had been led to believe. Maybe that closet with the IDs and passports originally belonged to Widmore. Maybe that's what got him busted and thrown off island.

@ bb

Something I noticed, when Ilana said that fakeLocke was stuck in this form, they were carrying Locke's body to be buried. So, was he stuck at that very moment, or WOULD BE stuck once they planted Locke's body underground?

@ deelzbub great point! that would totally make sense with the burying of bodies question...

i think the losties never saw the lighthouse b/c "you can only see what you can handle" - even if you are looking right at something...they were not ready or strong enough to see it before then.

@ deelzbub I was just thinking that! But I'm thinking if that were the case she would have said he WILL BE stuck in that form.
What she said was 'He can't; not anymore. He's stuck this way.'

Like wahatever got him stuck that way already happened. IDK.

What if the pill they wanted to give sayid didn't kill sayid but just killed the infection. XThere is a reason they gave the pill to Jack to give to sayid. Sayid was supposed to voluntarily take the pill to make it work. This. Think about it. They could of forced sayid to take it. They could even just kill him or put him under lock and key. I think if sayid had taken it, he would have been cured.

@ deezlbub, bb, standi

I don't think it matters if Locke had been buried or not. Originally Ilana didn't care to bury Locke, it was Sun that brought it up. If it was because of burying him I think she would have been more focused on doing so sooner, as well as also burying her comrades to prevent they're image from being stolen. I think Not-Locke's inability to change personas has to do with the death of Jacob.

Since Smokey likes to take over the bodies of dead people, maybe Christian was just the smoke monster all along. He did arrive on the Island dead, in a casket.

Maybe Smokey did take over Christian's body on the island, but Christian also visited Jack off the island and Smokey is unable to leave, so it couldn't have been Smokey visiting Jack in the hospital. So who was visiting Jack - his father or Jacob.

So to add a little more drama to the mix ABC 7 and Cablevision are having a dispute and we may lose the channel after March 7!! For Jacob's sake NO!!!!

Not sure if this has been mentioned before but does anybody see the last shot, of the last episode being Jack and either Locke or Sawyer sitting on those rocks on the beach watching some new group of people being brought to the island? Basically duplicating the first Jacob and MIB scene on the beach?

@Lostlover - Freakin Dolans... Cablevision was the bane of my existence - not that TW is any better.

If your cable goes out - just unplug and see if you can get ABC - channel 7 (NY) is not cable and you'll likely be able to pick it up from someone else's antenna assuming you're in the tri-state area (which I think you have to be for Cablevision) there are still a lot of antennas out there.

Good luck.

@sk -- Well that was interesting! Thanks for the link:)

@jaytch...Your welcome. Because this was from a public event at the 27th annual William S Paley Television Festival in Los Angeles over the weekend, I thought that it was fair game to put on Lost Diary.

By the way, William Paley was a broadcasting pioneer who built CBS from the ground up.

That was me, above.

Back from my Colorado vacation…

Couple of quick things on my mind, didn’t see much mention in the comments I have read above.

1. The images Jack saw in the mirrors, the Japanese building, the church and then his own family home. Some have speculated the church was Sawyer’s from his parents funeral. Maybe I need to go back and rewatch this again, but the order of the images doesn’t make sense. Was it Japanese building, then church, then Jack’s house? If we assume the Japanese building was related to KWON (#42), how could it put Sawyers church FORD (#15 or #16) ahead of Jack’s house SHEPHARD (#23) ? Jack’s house should have been in the middle of those images, not after. Any thoughts or do I just need a rewatch?

2. Jack’s name being written darker and different font/style. This makes me wonder if someone else was erased and Jack’s name written over the top of it. Was Jacob hiding a candidate from MiB? Also, saw some mention of Jack’s tattoos here as well. If I recall they translated roughly to He walks among them, but he is not one of them or something. Could this have deeper meaning? Jack walks among the candidates but is not one of them? Sure makes me think Jack is a decoy of sorts. This would set up well for the return of my man Desmond, wonder if #23 wasn’t originally HUME. The island isn’t done with you Desmond… love it!

@Kruxoli, I tend to fall in line with your thoughts on Claire either dying or being near death and becoming infected when she was blown up in the Barracks. My question would be, do they have to die to become infected or is near death enough for their body/soul to be claimed by MiB? Was Sayid infected before he was drowned in the fountain or after? I don’t think there was enough time for Claire to die, be brought back by the fountain and then discovered by Sawyer and crew.

Also in regards to Claire, is it safe to assume at some point in time she was tested or diagnosed by the Temple Others? Dogen knows her, knows she is infected, how does he know all this? Did they just let her go due to their rules of needing someone close to her to kill her? Similar to them needing Jack to convince Sayid to take the pill and kill him. Strange they would simply turn her loose in the woods and let her do what she wants. Also the Other she captured and axed, he had no problem with wanting to kill her on the spot, as he asked Jin to untie him so he could snap her neck. Strange.

The other topic I see being discussed was the wording in the enhanced version, something to the effect of this is how their lives would be if flight 815 never crashed. (not word for word, but you get the idea) While it somewhat implies that Flight 815 NOT crashing is where the timelines split into two, I think it goes deeper.

The statement in the enhanced version is 100% true, but we need to consider why it did not crash. Because Desmond wasn’t on the island nor did he forget to push the button thus crashing the plane. Desmond wasn’t on the island because their was no Swan hatch, no button to push, because at some point (probably 1977) the Incident happened. I believe the Incident is the point at which the timeline split into two.

I wont go so far as to say this is how their lives would be without Jacob’s interference either, as I believe he had already set some plans in motion prior to 1977. I think the Losties turned out slighty different in some cases and drastically different in some cases due to Jacob not being there the whole time for some subtle nudges. I just don’t see how all these people ended up on that exact flight together without Jacob at least laying the foundation for their paths to cross at that exact moment in time. I think Jacob still laid the foundation, but missed out on all the minor corrections and nudges from 1977 up until 2004 timeframe in the other timeline.

We know pretty much Sawyer was 35 years old in 2004, when the Others took them to the Hydra island. Ben asked him how old he was, Sawyer tried saying 32, but Ben told him don’t lie… Sawyer then said 35. Then the whole pacemaker, bunny dying, heartbeat watch deal played out. Means Sawyer was born in 1969 or so, also making it quite possible for Jacob to still have visited him when he was a young boy. I recall Sawyer telling Jack or someone about how he could hop on the sub and go visit himself and stop his Dad from killing his mom and himself. So that had to have happened in the 1974-1977 timeframe.

So I guess I am saying, everyone is at least partially right… :)

@ Mr. F

CLAIRE told JIN that she had been taken to the Temple, and that they branded her (like they did to SAYID). So she was there and was diagnosed with "The Infection"

Once again:

When do we get to see DESMOND again?????

(I cannot help myself from asking yet again!)

Similar to what Mr. F is saying about Jacob having still had an effect on the Losties lives even though the plane doesn't crash in the "sideways" timeframe, whose to say that the Losties still don't end up on the island together just at a differnt time? Maybe the plane crash doesn't get them there but they all arrive at different times, in different ways but their destiney is still to be on the island?

@bb, thanks, guess I missed that line. I am looking forward to watching the enhanced version tonight, see what else I missed the 1st time thru.

@First Post, I had that similar thought a few weeks ago. I theorized that Flight 815 was not the critical flight, that flight 316 was the important one.

My problem with that theory is the island being underwater now in 2004. Do they crash into the water in 2007 and all die? Is Jacob and/or MiB even "alive" now in 2004? A few stumbling blocks I couldnt answer yet.

@Mr F. -- I have a couple of thoughts:
1. Exactly when does Smokie inhabit a body? Locke was killed back in the States. So...what...it doesn't matter how long you're a corpse?
2. Eloise made damn sure Jack got Locke's corpse back to the Island. Why? I mean...what side do you suppose she's on? It would appear to be Smokie's.

Thoughts?

@ jatch

Clearly ELOISE and CHARLES WIDMORE are NOW on opposite sides of JACOB vs. MiB; although they did hook up long enough to have DANIEL..... LOL

I miss DANIEL, but not CHARLOTTE (too annoying!)

@Jaytch, I am more than happy to give my opinions, but afraid I dont have much that is concrete.

I dont believe Smokie ever inhabited bodies, I think he is able to shapeshift and appear as dead people. Now somehow he is also able to capture their thoughts and memories, be it from scanning or soul snatching, I dont know.

Illana's comment about him now being stuck with Locke's face made me believe that whatever he did to become (F)Locke made it permanent. Although, the thought of Jacob's death making it permanent is intriguing and actually works better. As the whole scene with Alex appearing to Ben took place after MiB became Flocke.

It is my belief he did a similar thing with Christian, appearing to Jack early on in the show. And later on with Yemi to Eko, all 3 bodies were dead (I assume Yemi died after take off) when they arrived to the island.

But what throws me off is I also assume he appeared as Alex (died on island), Horace Goodspeed (died in Purge), Ana Lucia (died in hatch) and maybe even Ben's mom (died off island). I cant put my finger on why in some cases the body needs to be on the island or not.

Now maybe the Others bury bodies so MiB could not assume their identity, or maybe this is another one of the "rules" between him and Jacob. Maybe MiB cant manipulate people using faces of the living, as that would be too easy to trick them. Something to do with freewill vs destiny, I dont know.

As for Eloise, I am not sure what side she is on. I tend to believe she and Widmore may be helping MiB. Widmore knew a war was coming as he told Locke, got to assume Eloise knows that too. Did she just need a body to try and replicate 815? Or does she know more than she led on? She sent her only son to the island to die at her own hands, she seems intent on making sure things play out like they are supposed to. Just like with Desmond, making sure he never married Penny and ended up on that island.

I dont know if I answered you, felt like I typed a whole bunch of nothing. :)

@Mr F. -- You answered and then some! Thank you very much. I shouldn't have said "inhabit" a body. I know Smokie doesn't possess. I like your theories and thoughts:) How was Colorado?

@ Mr F.:

I don't think that Claire was ever taken to the temple to be placed in the pool after the Dharmaville explosion. I also don't know if Sayid was "infected" before being placed in the pool. Hopefully tonight sheds some light on all our questions...

@ Mr. F - welcome back. If Eloise is intent to keep things as they're supposed to be, would she not then be on the side of Jacob? MIB found the supposed loophole - to change things.

Regarding Claire - am I daft in thinking she was branded? Isn't that what Dogen does so doesn't that mean she encountered him - and presumably that would be at the temple?

I believe Claire died but was quickly resurrected by Smokie after the barracks exploded. She later got caught and tortured by Dogen. But there's likely some rule he cannot kill her.

And you and I have agreed that Smokie shape shifts - it's not the physical takeover of a body (Locke/Flocke proves this).

Anyhoo - my question would still be when does one become the opposite of who they are (infected)? Is it by Smokie or is it by Temple? Ben came out of the Temple changed - but we don't know if that was Smokie at the time, or Temple waters. Sayid is Temple water - but that could be 'Smokie' water based on Jacob dying. And Claire, because she came out of the barracks 'unscathed' seems to have been smoked also.

Now I'm confused, what a surprise...

@LSK - did you know there is a credit for Keamy as a guest star in tonight's epi???

@jaytch, Colorado was wonderful, it was the return trip to Michigan and 15" of snow that stunk.

@Kruxoli, hopefully we get some answers on it as I am intrigued by it. I didnt think there was time enough for Claire to go to the temple then either.

Which begs the question, did she really die in the explosion? Something is not adding up for me, how could she die and be brought back to life without the temple springs? Does the infection heal them physically while messing them up mentally? Just thinking out loud Krux, not a direct question.

@fanolost, isn't Jacob on the side of free will and choice? He told Ben he had a choice... He and MiB spoke on the beach, it only ends once, everything else is just progress. It was MiB who said it all ends the same, they come, they fight, they destroy, etc...

But then MiB refutes all that to Sawyer, saying Jacob brought them all here. He nudged them along the way, choices they thought they made were really made for them. Oh man, my head hurts now...

Who to believe? I guess that is what makes this show so incredible.

@Mr. F - yes, you're right about what Jacob says - but it's still 'being the same' as progress creeps along. MIB wanted to speed it up - and apparently, has.

I don't believe anyone, and I believe everyone. MIB is lying. Someone has doctored the names/crossing out at both cave and lighthouse. But why should I believe Jacob? There are sides - so either you side with the person who 'speaks' to you - or, like me, I don't care - it's all LOST. And it's the first time I don't have a favorite/a group that I want to win.

Then there's Ben. He's like MIB/Jacob all in one because he's out for Ben. He'll say/do anything to get where he needs to be, get who he needs to get.

Well, that is until this season. Sheesh....

FYI - Sundown, or Sun Down. I said I think Jin dies - maybe tonight. Maybe he has to in order to get his daughter on island (with all the other kiddies). Just a stray thought....

@fanolost

Just a question.....WHy would JIN's death be a way to get kids to the island???

If JIN died, SUN would not bring their daughter to the island.

What is your logic here?

@bb - I don't know... I didn't say Sun would bring her there... just the way of Lost. I do hope Jin and Sun find each other tonight -

@bb again - to get their kid to the island - Maybe Eloise tells whoever has little Kwon that she has to get to the island - and from that, maybe others watching Eloise, find ways to the island...

And why I think Jin is dying is I find it hard to believe that trap was clean, and the wound wasn't irrigated properly, he lost a lot of blood - I don't know what he drank (Claire gave him the canteen but she didn't drink from it).

If he gets to the temple and gets into the water - well...

Anyone else get the feeling Jin may be infected or soon be infected? Getting sowed up by crazy Claire and now meeting up with Mr black smoke himself cant be good.

I wonder if Jin and Sun will end up on different sides in the war. Should be interesting...

@fanolost -- Sun Down...is that the title of tonight's episode?

Perhaps Claire was "released" by the temple folk because they couldn't get her to eat the pill willingly. Remember, he told Jack that the pill wouldn't work on Sayid unless he took it willingly.

@ Mr. F:

I am SOOOOO confused about Claire and how she was infected. We all KNOW something was up with her after that explosion, but was it enough for Smokie to "infect" her? I'm not too sure on that...

thomas, i just dont see how your theory could work...juliet is much older than dan and ellie was pregnant with dan when she shot dan so would she really get prego by charles after he cheated on her with claire???

& besides, why would claire get to stay in the past when everone else kept flashing through time?

@ Buttercup/Thomas:

Did I miss something here? When did Whidmore hook up with Claire? How is that even possible?

Hey everyone, just wanted to say hi. I haven't had time to post but just wanted to say happy LOST watching to everyone tonight.

@shamelessaddict - I was just addressing prior argument about why Aaron didn't die and kids conceived and born on island did - if no new souls could come to island (well other than Cindy and all the other folks on Oceanic flight) - now that I think about it, forget the whole thing (wink). By the way, is it important that the MOTHERS die too, not just the baby - just wondering out loud

So Christians body was missing but Locke's was not...

Locke has a suit on while MIB has on Locke's Adventure clothes. We have seen Christian in a suit and in Tommy Bahama like clothes...

What can it mean??? I mean inhabiting a body is one thing, but old clothes from the persons past???

Any thoughts??

happy Lost day!

@Buttercup and @ Kruxoli

Time Travel answers the unanswerable!! haha

I am kind of thinking Time Travel might affect people differently i.e. Charlotte couldn't handle it. Dan seemed to be able to work around it. And with Sun not going to the past with the others, and Rose and Bernard's attitude towards the other losties, I am thinking that it can affect different people depending on their circumstance.

Thus Claire may have time traveled during the flashes but no to the same place and time as Locke's group. Perhaps it's all relative to where you are/where and what you are doing... If Claire had some sort of destiny to have a child while traveling an encounter with Charles and that baby being Penny could be plausible.....

BTW everyone since this blog tends to have many crossing conversations, I recommend using Googlechrome browser or adding the Chrome frame gadget to another browser and using the ctrl+f feature to search your posts and responses... I'm sure a lot of you know that already but if you didn't check it out....

@ Thomas:

I see what you're saying, but I am still a bit confused. I get that Claire could've flashed back with the rest, but would she really have enough time to get impregnated by Whidmore? I don't know if that's plausible, but I can't count it out either.

Also, you don't need Google Chrome to CTRL + F something...it works in IE as well (and any other browser I've used).

chrome is nice though it makes hashmarks on the scroll bar not just highlights...

@ Thomas:

Really? I never knew that...

@suede66

i don't think they ever implied the date of conception is when the soul enters the body. They were trying to determine whether Jin was the father. (meaning Sun conceived on the island, has to leave or she'll die)

Can't wait for the new episode tonight!

Maybe its been said before because I didn't read through all the comments, but what if the alternate timeline is the life they all would have lead had jacob not visited them at some point in there life and gave them that push towards the island.

20 bucks says John Locke will be a substitute at David's school!

SEMI-SPOILER:

Um,anyonegetwhatDogensaidtoSayidrightbeforethefistfight? My mom called at the exact same moment, and I completely missed everything. Blah.

Okay, spoiler done.

lovesteamykeamy: I so thought of you tonight!! RIP Keamy (twice) I fear all of our "favs" may bite the same dust?

Benwagoneers unite for next weeks ep, after those premow's, I am so worried?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?

@thomas - interesting, but I think Sun didn't go because she's not a candidate - that's why she didn't get sucked down from the plane, so Kwon means Jin - every other person did the same time leap each time, all those that were on the island as it skipped through time. The reason it effected people differently is it was because of how much time they had spent on the island. Miles as an infant, Charlotte as a toddler and then daniel conceived and Juliet for three years - this is the order in which people were effected by the nose bleeds / death from time skipping

didn't notice yet in all of the above coments, but did anyone comment on the piece David is playing is the same piece Daniel played when he was a child (Chopin's Fantaisie-Impromtpu) in Season 5's episode The Variable?

Pop up verified the church was the Sawyer/Ford funeral church - yay!

How tall is KEAMY in real life?

--This contains spoilers from tonight's episode--

What about this episode was so revealing that it needed all those hyped up promos from last week? Don't get me wrong, the Smokie attack was cool, but I think we all figured that at some point there would be a clash between the temple and Smokie. It's nice that we got some sort of backstory about Dogen, but I think it's even nicer that he won't be around anymore. I will miss Lennon though.

So, Flocke is "evil incarnate". I still can't fully support that. It seems too simple for this whole show to be about good vs. evil. All of the twists and turns of 5 seasons and we'll end with the oh-so-familiar battle of good vs. bad. Sorta disappointing.

@bb...Kevin Durand (Keamy) stands 6'6".

Loved the Sayid vs Dogen Kung Fu Fighting scene...I just wish that Hurley could have been there to witness it.

could the characters possibly been more vague and ambiguos in tonights show. I Think this episode was supposed to make us feel anxious, confused and doubtfull about the characters standing. Is Sayid good or evil? Is Claire going to kill Kate, or will Kate save Claire by trying to bring her off the island. Is ben really going to try to dig up the body of Locke? It looked like it to me. You know ben is going to find a way to save the day.

Dogen and Lennon fell in the pool after Jacob had put something in it. I'm hoping he restored it to it's natural healing powers,

I just watched the scene from The Lighthouse with Jacob by the pool like 9 times in a row, and I'm almost positive he's not putting anything in the water, he's just playing in it with a stick.

Really? They bring back Keamy to kill him within minutes? Writers you toy with me! He should have been wearing that body armor that was "known to take a bullet or two"... ;)

Jacob definitely was sprinkling something in the water, from his hand. Looked like ashes.

Keamy is/was the worst character on lost. loved him getting killed... again

@ anonymous. Totally agree with you. Keamy's character sucked, I'd rather see Nicki/Paulo over Keamy any day

Well they confirmed on the enhanced version that the images in the mirror were what we thought they were. Temple where Jin and Sun got married, Chruch where Ford's parents funeral was held. Still doesnt make sense the order of the images, was it a production error or something else?

Also, #23 SHEPHARD was written darker and in all CAPS on the lighthouse dial. Everyone elses name was normal capital first letter, lower case for the rest. So why was the SHEPHARD name vastly different than the rest?

And I assume Kate is #51 "Austen", for some reason I always thought it was Austin, not Austen, oh well. She wasn't crossed off either, interesting.

Keamy died with egg on his face. Ha!Ha!

Not sure if this has been discussed previously, but...

What if the flash-sideways scenarios were not caused by the bomb being detonated? What if things were set in motion for the alternate reality because of the death of Jacob. It has been said several times that Jacob touched the "candidates" and "manipulated" their lives. What if him dying caused them NOT to be manipulated during their lives and each was able to make decisions for themselves and their lives were much happier and positive than when Jacob was involved.

Just thinking....any thoughts?

i rewatched too and jacob is swirling a stick in the water not sprinkling anything

lsk - thought of you last night. Sorry his appearence was so brief.

Last night's epi should sure get an A or A+ from anyone who grades these things!

Poor Sayid - I guess he never could escape the karma of being a torturer from Iraq - at least he tried, till overcome by the evil in MiB/FLocke/Smoke Monster.

Poor Sayid...Just when he thought he was out, they pull him back in.

One other thing, anyone else think the arrangment of "Catch a Falling Star" was just slightly creepy at the end? Or was that just me?

And I kept thinking Kate was about to go down... and was wrong each time.

Did anyone else think Dogen's story about Jacob coming to him seemed strange? When he visited the others, he didn't make them any promises and yet Dogen was given a deal. Maybe Dogen's Jacob was actually MIB.

@ lsk - Didn't know the name of the music but it was EXTREMELY creepy. The looks between Locke and Sayid and Locke and Claire were creepy. Kate looked totally clueless as to what was going on. But she hasn't drunk the FLocke kool-aid - will she be an embed or will she join with evil???

@sk -- Do you suppose that the ashes (going with your theory) Jacob is sprinkling in the pool are the same ashes Ilana scooped up and put in a pouch?

@LSK - first, my condolences. Second, I thought Kate was toast too!!!! So disappointed...

Second, the only thing I found that might be happening - and again - to be doing this with 10 epis to go is weird... in the imaginary timeline (as was written on Hydra), Sayid is 'still' Sayid regardless that he has tried to atone for his past sins. It seems when this happened (RIP Keamy) - this is also when island Sayid fully turned also.

Is it as the imaginary folk either change, or continue as who they have been, it affects on-island group? And that this is the dovetail of the two timelines?

However, as a whole, I'm disappointed that 'there's a balance between good and evil... and Smokie is evil incarnate.' Yeah ok... this is not verra creative.

And - just cuz Dogen says he's evil - I'm sure MIB thinks Jacob was... ppfftt

(oh and boy was I wrong about Sun down being about Sun... HA)

I've always felt that Sayid was going to go over to the dark side, kinda of obvious - they had him dressed in complete black. And MiB is unable to leave the island - how many times has he said this. So I don't think it was MiB visiting Dogen. And whenever they switch to a sideways at the beginning of the show - they tell you this is what occurred if the plan did not crash -

What an episode! Loved how Miles was holding the door closed and in comes Ilana, Sun, and Lapidus! I had, believe it or not, forgotten they were on their way to the temple. What is she going to do with Jacob's ashes? And did anyone catch when Ilana pushed that stone that Hurley pushed to get to the lighthouse she told everyone to GET IN! Not get out? I thought it opened a passage to get outside of the temple? What were they getting into? Maybe reading too much into that, or maybe not. We also found out that while Jacob was alive, Smokie was contained. And they verified that Jacob's death is what has unleashed him. How is that? He took over Locke's body before Jacob was dead...and possibly infected Christian and Claire before Jacob's death. THis has me somewhat confused.. Also confused about the enhanced version telling us the flash sideways are what would have happened if 815 hadn't crashed, but for that to work that way, wouldn't David have had to existed? Flight 815 crashed when Jack was bringing back his dad. In the "FS" that's what he was doing, and David was a teenager....means David existed before Jack went to get his dad right?

@jaytch...I don't know if Jacob is sprinkling a little piece of himself in the waters, but Dogen and Jacob did succeed in luring Smokey into the Temple... maybe to contain him !

It also set in motion the arrival of Ilana, Lapidus, Miles, Sun and Ben. The rescue squad maybe ?

@ Saffyreblue - I think Mr. F could explain this better, but here is how I think it works. If 815 did not crash, then the Losties never get on the Island. If they never get on Island, they never time travel backwards, including to 1974. So the breakpoint for the timelines of the characters isn't 2004, when 815 would have crashed, but in the mid-70s. Other posters have pointed out that this still doesn't account for the differences between sideways and Island worlds. But that's as far as I understand it.

WHERE IS SAWYER?

@Saffyreblue - the FS would seem to be indicating that the Oceanic crash was orchestrated - and if it was not (as in the FS), then a whole host of other things (Jacob possibly manipulating all for a long time) may not have happened.

Or, jughead going off in the 70s changes everything that we'd known up until last season's finale.

I still think the 'imaginary timeline' information on Hydra is important - and Ilana is likely aware of it all.

**POSSIBLE SPOILER***
And we do know that there is going to be a dovetailing of timelines - from the writers. Then again, should I believe them? What makes them different from MIB and Jacob????

@Tootsie - BEN on me b-day... if it ain't a Sawyer-centric episode, Ben is a great stand in!!!

Would really LOVE it if Dogen rose from the water like an avenging zombie. But if Dogen rises, Lennon would prob'y too, and I see no need for that.

It would add weight to Kate's character and explain some of her motivation if she stayed with with Fakelocke's camp, but his glance at her shows that she hasn't bought what he's selling, and he knows it.

@ Fanolost:

Thanks! That makes sense! I couldn't wrap my head around how in FS David existed before Jack even went to Australia to get his dad...but your explanation makes sense.

@berky - I think jughead and/or the magnetic whatever still happens in the 70s, and it likely why there's no island for Oceanic to crash onto. That might explain the timeline differences - but also that Jacob hasn't influenced the characters (if you believe MIB...)

and

WHAT ABOUT JIN? Does anyone think MIB didn't turn him? MIB wouldn't leave him unscathed in the jungle if Claire wasn't around. So is he now an MIB recruit?

People of posted that they feel the Kwons will be on different sides - this could be what has happened.

Look at the "Last Supper" pre-season picture for this season. You can see exactly who is going to be on each side.

LOCKE/MiB in the middle

One side of table (The MiB side): SAWYER, KATE, SAYID, CLAIRE, ILANA & RICHARD (interesting that ILANA & RICHARD are on this side)

The other side (JACOB side): JACK, HURLEY, SUN, JIN, MILES & FRANK

Your thoughts on this?

@berky, nice job on explaining it. :)

I saw the same message on the enhanced version about what would have happened if 815 didnt crash, two weeks in a row now. They are really hammering that point home for some reason.

I think Jack's son David only proves it, the time split is farther back than 2004. 2004 is simply when they decided to start showing us the different timeline. There was a chain of events that led to flight 815 not crashing, my guess it is the Incident in 1977. That is when (IMO) time split and there lives turned out differently.

It is strange that Sayid did not have any moments of looking into a mirror, at his reflection, like Jack and Locke.

We are moving into endgame territory...just like a game of chess. The body count is rising and Ilana and crew will be decisive towards the outcome I think.

@Saffyreblue

I am glad you posted. That is exactly what I was trying to say at 5:28am. If Jacob's death in the 70s caused him NOT to meet and touch Sun, Jin, Sawyer, Jack, Hurley, Kate and Sayid and "manipulate" their lives, then they were in charge of their own lives and things turned out much differently for each of them.

What do you think?

@saffyreblue I was confused by this at first, too, because I thought everything would have been the same up to the moment of the plane crash/not crash. However, it looks like whatever prevented the plane crash created changes all the way back to 1977. So Jack's life had taken a similar path in some ways (still a dr, still went to Sydney because his dad died, etc) but has taken a different path in other ways. That applies to all of their lives, actually. So that's why we're seeing differences.

I have noticed that Carlton & Damon have made a point to say "this is what WOULD HAVE happened if the plane had not crashed" and have stated this is NOT an alternate time line (per the official Lost podcasts), which I take to mean that it's actually not happening at all, in any reality.

@saffyreblue - you're welcome. I'm open to being swayed, but this is what seems to make sense for me at the moment.

And I still think David is a sign of cycle (my original theory) - in that, if Jack didn't fix things/get on island, there's the next generation (Dogen's kid fits this...)

The only way I see the timelines meshing is 1) that what the imaginary timeline group is becoming [see above, Sayid being the Sayid we know] - influences the Losties we know. Ben being a history teacher sort of meshes with what Ben seems to be on island now. Jack taking a bit more charge of his/his son's life - will likely have him 'taking charge' of Jacob's forces. Kate's escaping and seemingly being in charge in imaginary timeline fits with her taking charge on island to do 'what it is she came to do' that is finding Claire.

This makes sense. How the actual characters will mesh into one... don't know, yet.

Thanks, Mr. F.!

"What would have happened, if " is in the subjunctive mood in English. I don't think it means This happened AND This happened. So I think the Island timeline is the 'real' one. The "what if" timeline is showing us how these characters would have interacted, anyway. But not sure why . . .

@ Lost In Virginia:

But Jacob didn't die in the 70's...

Best part of the show

Sayid pulling bad-ass in the kitchen! Expected him to tell Keamy,"I was a torturer in the Republican Guard, dumbass! Maybe you should be more careful who you abduct next time!"
BLAM!

"next time, ha-ha! I should say sideways-time!"

*poom*

@Kruxoli

Oh crap...you are right. Can my theory still be saved?

@Kelly - absolutely it's not an alternate timeline. The imaginary timeline is written on paper on Hydra in the office Cesar ransacks after Ajira crashes. I assume Ilana is aware of this also.

I wonder if this isn't Widmore's theory...

10 epis to go. No Widmore/Eloise/Desmond/Vincent. What the ef? Who's coming to help Jacob's gang? Des?

Is it really as simple as good/evil? That would disappoint me greatly. I mean, no one is purely either - it's all perception.

that moment of anticipation @ sundown in the temple was awesome! I was like man, I wouldnt want to be anywhere near there!

@ Fanolost:

I hope Des comes to help...maybe Jacob is waiting for "Wallace" (the person who was coming to the island...why Hurley needed to go to the Lighthouse).