Anyone watch Fringe last night? 2 timelines/parallel universes cannot exist in the same space. When they collide-catastrophe!
Possible foreshadowing of how Lost may end? That would be if we are indeed seeing two “real” timelines. Will the “LA-X” timeline prove out to be just a dream scenario? Hope not, that would kinda suck!
I feel that everything from here on out will be dictated by if these are indeed two real time lines happening simultaneously. No do-over’s or what ifs, but real time choices & decisions.
Of course Lost has proven some of my theories wrong a time or two-LOL!!
Happy viewing to all, let’s enjoy the final ride!!
Fringe was great last night. I'm wondering if the alternate universe theory in Fringe will play out on LOST. Like, in one universe, the LOSTies are stuck on the island while the alternate universe has them landing safely at LAX. What will happen when worlds collide?
@tootsie - not only collide but also having to balance - so that one universe will take back what was given out in the crash! One melds, the other disappears.
Crazy. But good. I don't know if it's a Lost match.
FForward's quantum physics might work better.
I was just chatting with someone who was explaining the whole free will idea. Well, that's what I call it. When the one person commits suicide - thereby changing his flash forward (in which he was alive 6 months into the future) - he has stopped the universe that everyone shared/saw - and now it has shifted. Game on... meaning whatever everyone saw may now no longer 'be.'
Sounds interesting...My brother has been telling me about FForward...Haven't seen an episode yet...I'm a little busy with work and FRINGE and LOST, but I'll get on it...
Seems to me like Sayid is Sayid. Quite possibly, LA X Sayid was reborn into Island Sayid. Thus his confusion. LA X Sayid probably knows nothing of the Island or other Losties. Sort of an alternative universe theory. Each character exists in multiple worlds but due to free choice, personalities are different, histories are different. The Ben from Dharma is replaced by another Ben through the "healing" pool. So there would be no remembering of Dharma Ben. I would expect the same for Sayid. The MiB wanting to go home: not a place on this earth, but one on another. Just a thought anyway.
This side by side was very cool and almost exact except for that extra bottle of vodka - because the plane didn't crash Jack doesn't need it any longer to sterilize his wound after the crash right?
@ fanolost I've been watching fast forward but we don't know yet that his suicide fully changed the future yet. We may yet see her picture in the paper having died by some other way. Not sure if the future is changed or if it can still course correct.
@Glee, the first... well, by dying he did change the game because his flashforward had him alive... and that's why it's so fascinating.
Does he change it for all (quantum physics) or did it split the universes (sorta Lost at the moment, but maybe not...)
And then let's discuss Fringe... heheheh - so the universes must balance, so if this person opted out of our universe - something will have to happen on the other one (not that we've seen that) to balance this bodily loss.
I had an in-depth discussion with a coworker about this stuff and the whole 'we are holographs/2 dimensional and it's only a light shining on the surface that gives us a 3-d appearance.'
Damnit Daniel....it's almost like you don't care about Lost anymore. If you're not even gonna try then just don't do it. i'm leaving and never coming back. haha, sorry, i just wanted to beat the first bozo to the punch. you know at a certain point in these next couple of months someone was going to say that! (and yes, for you people that didn't get it, it was all sarcastic)
i keep going back to that piece of paper that caesar takes out of ben's filing cabinet in the hydra station on hydra island. The 1st was a map of the island, the 2nd was a paper that had bubbles and lines connecting them. It had Event A, Event B, Real Time, Real Space, Imaginary Time, Imaginary Space. that tells me that one timeline is "real" and one is "imaginary" otherwise why would they show us that paper?
@victoria- Been thinking about your post since Friday. Loved it.
Here's one theory: Event A = The Incident.
Event A sets two (2) space/time continuums in motion. Both space/time continuums exist "Side by Side". Neither is real, neither is imaginary. Until Event B occurs, then one becomes Real Time/ Real Space. This is Quantuum Mechanics' "Schrodinger’s cat" theory. So until the second event (Event B) occurs, the cat is both alive and dead until there is a reveal.
Might also help to visualize by looking at the page in Faraday's notebook, opposite his notation that "Des is my Constant" (see below from lostpedia).
@ Mr F- "So the other Mr F has been watching the Series in the bedroom and just came by to tell me not only who wins the Series, but also the Superbowl and the BCS (Yanks in 6, Saints and Alabama, but you didn’t hear it from me.) October 29, 2009. Just because it was an imaginary episode of Fringe, doesn't mean it was "unreal"!
anyone else enjoy the two different LOST shout outs we got from bud light last night during the super bowl?
the dr. chang actor was a lab coat-wearing scientist in the first BL ad, and a later one had a group of plane crash survivors on a beach getting drunk off salvaged BL.
the rip-off kate kinda seemed like a dumb bitch too, so you know those commercial creators were fans. haha.
During last season, it was of utmost importance for the Oceanic 6 to exactly replicate the conditions of flight 815 to help things "course correct." As we know, they weren't able to do that. Things were no longer "parallel."
Perhaps the overriding theory of Lost is that there are all of these parallel universes, but the events on the island (or the power of the island) is to force these universes off-kilter.
Now the two universes we're seeing are no longer parallel, they're tilted toward each other, crossing over, heading for an ultimate collision... in the finale.
@Flashest... Amazing. It is the only word that comes to mind. How the hell did you nail all 3 champions? I am really starting to believe in time travel. Kudos :)
@Mr F- Proof that I'm not from the Future, or have not done any time travel. I didn't lay one bet on any of those winners. Which brings me to Sawyer. I get that he was really loving being the respectable Jim LeFleur and living the good life with Juliet, but don't you think the Con Man in Sawyer was dying to go stateside and place a few bets. Here are three sure 1977 winners: 1) Yankees beat the Dodgers in the World Series and Reggie Jackson earns the name Mr October. 2) Oakland Raiders (coached by the youthful John Madden) beat the Vikings (Fran Tarkenton never wins a) Super Bowl). 2) Seattle Slew wins the Triple Crown. Now any Con Man worth his salt would know a little about horse racing. Three Triple Crown winners in the 70's: Secretariat, Seattle Slew and then Affirmed in 1978. No horse has done it since. Reason enough to leave the island, bet the farm and retire with Juliet on any island they choose, as long as it doesn't have a smoke monster. He could have been long gone before Jack came back with his crazy idea of blowing the island up with a thermonuclear weapon. That's what happens when a man or woman isn't true to their nature. :)
Tonight's Lost was a wow!! I can't explain it, I don't claim to understand it but I loved it and I can't wait for Daniel's summary and all of your comments. ( I do worry about closure on Vincent the Wonder dog and of course, Rose and Bernard.)
The new and final season is only 2 weeks in and I'm just not feeling it. Not excited about anything and I feel like I don't really care anymore. And I've watched this show from the very beginning. It feels like they will use this season to drag out the two universes or whatever it is, and the end is going to be something lame. I'm not getting my hopes up. The only good thing about tonight's episode was Sawyer. I was so touched by his grief for Juliet, you could just feel his pain.
Turnboat, did you not see the =P at the end of my post? In the internet world, that means I'm teasing. Sheesh! Anybody who watches a show weeks after it runs should know better than to cruise the interweb and not expect to be spoiled somehow.
Comments
Craziness...
Posted by: Kruxoli | February 5, 2010 05:43 AM
amazing!
Posted by: sarah | February 5, 2010 06:52 AM
Anyone watch Fringe last night? 2 timelines/parallel universes cannot exist in the same space. When they collide-catastrophe!
Possible foreshadowing of how Lost may end? That would be if we are indeed seeing two “real” timelines. Will the “LA-X” timeline prove out to be just a dream scenario? Hope not, that would kinda suck!
I feel that everything from here on out will be dictated by if these are indeed two real time lines happening simultaneously. No do-over’s or what ifs, but real time choices & decisions.
Of course Lost has proven some of my theories wrong a time or two-LOL!!
Happy viewing to all, let’s enjoy the final ride!!
Posted by: Tootsie | February 5, 2010 06:57 AM
Cool! Did Cindy change things when she only handed him one bottle? that's when the crash started! Sorry, its early :)
Posted by: LostMI | February 5, 2010 06:58 AM
Fringe was great last night. I'm wondering if the alternate universe theory in Fringe will play out on LOST. Like, in one universe, the LOSTies are stuck on the island while the alternate universe has them landing safely at LAX. What will happen when worlds collide?
Posted by: Kruxoli | February 5, 2010 07:14 AM
@tootsie - not only collide but also having to balance - so that one universe will take back what was given out in the crash! One melds, the other disappears.
Crazy. But good. I don't know if it's a Lost match.
FForward's quantum physics might work better.
I was just chatting with someone who was explaining the whole free will idea. Well, that's what I call it. When the one person commits suicide - thereby changing his flash forward (in which he was alive 6 months into the future) - he has stopped the universe that everyone shared/saw - and now it has shifted. Game on... meaning whatever everyone saw may now no longer 'be.'
Phew.
Posted by: fanolost | February 5, 2010 07:32 AM
@ Fanolost:
Sounds interesting...My brother has been telling me about FForward...Haven't seen an episode yet...I'm a little busy with work and FRINGE and LOST, but I'll get on it...
Posted by: Kruxoli | February 5, 2010 08:08 AM
Seems to me like Sayid is Sayid. Quite possibly, LA X Sayid was reborn into Island Sayid. Thus his confusion. LA X Sayid probably knows nothing of the Island or other Losties. Sort of an alternative universe theory. Each character exists in multiple worlds but due to free choice, personalities are different, histories are different. The Ben from Dharma is replaced by another Ben through the "healing" pool. So there would be no remembering of Dharma Ben. I would expect the same for Sayid. The MiB wanting to go home: not a place on this earth, but one on another. Just a thought anyway.
Posted by: Rodion | February 5, 2010 09:22 AM
That side by side was cool! The same, but different.
:-)
Posted by: Janice | February 5, 2010 09:22 AM
This side by side was very cool and almost exact except for that extra bottle of vodka - because the plane didn't crash Jack doesn't need it any longer to sterilize his wound after the crash right?
@ fanolost I've been watching fast forward but we don't know yet that his suicide fully changed the future yet. We may yet see her picture in the paper having died by some other way. Not sure if the future is changed or if it can still course correct.
Posted by: Glee... the 1st | February 5, 2010 12:27 PM
@Glee, the first... well, by dying he did change the game because his flashforward had him alive... and that's why it's so fascinating.
Does he change it for all (quantum physics) or did it split the universes (sorta Lost at the moment, but maybe not...)
And then let's discuss Fringe... heheheh - so the universes must balance, so if this person opted out of our universe - something will have to happen on the other one (not that we've seen that) to balance this bodily loss.
I had an in-depth discussion with a coworker about this stuff and the whole 'we are holographs/2 dimensional and it's only a light shining on the surface that gives us a 3-d appearance.'
My head is reeling...
Posted by: fanolost | February 5, 2010 01:11 PM
Damnit Daniel....it's almost like you don't care about Lost anymore. If you're not even gonna try then just don't do it. i'm leaving and never coming back. haha, sorry, i just wanted to beat the first bozo to the punch. you know at a certain point in these next couple of months someone was going to say that! (and yes, for you people that didn't get it, it was all sarcastic)
Posted by: Anonymous | February 5, 2010 02:46 PM
i keep going back to that piece of paper that caesar takes out of ben's filing cabinet in the hydra station on hydra island. The 1st was a map of the island, the 2nd was a paper that had bubbles and lines connecting them. It had Event A, Event B, Real Time, Real Space, Imaginary Time, Imaginary Space. that tells me that one timeline is "real" and one is "imaginary" otherwise why would they show us that paper?
Posted by: victoria | February 5, 2010 07:54 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imaginary_time
Posted by: victoria | February 5, 2010 07:55 PM
@victoria- Been thinking about your post since Friday. Loved it.
Here's one theory: Event A = The Incident.
Event A sets two (2) space/time continuums in motion. Both space/time continuums exist "Side by Side". Neither is real, neither is imaginary. Until Event B occurs, then one becomes Real Time/ Real Space. This is Quantuum Mechanics' "Schrodinger’s cat" theory. So until the second event (Event B) occurs, the cat is both alive and dead until there is a reveal.
Might also help to visualize by looking at the page in Faraday's notebook, opposite his notation that "Des is my Constant" (see below from lostpedia).
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:Dan_journal_2.jpg
Posted by: flashest monk | February 7, 2010 10:39 AM
@flashest monk...Is that why we are seeing some of the same connections, some of the same dialogue, whether the connection exits or not?
Didn't Eloise did say that the universe will find another way of forcing them back on their path.
Posted by: sk | February 7, 2010 12:10 PM
@ Mr F- "So the other Mr F has been watching the Series in the bedroom and just came by to tell me not only who wins the Series, but also the Superbowl and the BCS (Yanks in 6, Saints and Alabama, but you didn’t hear it from me.) October 29, 2009. Just because it was an imaginary episode of Fringe, doesn't mean it was "unreal"!
Posted by: flashest monk | February 7, 2010 07:13 PM
anyone else enjoy the two different LOST shout outs we got from bud light last night during the super bowl?
the dr. chang actor was a lab coat-wearing scientist in the first BL ad, and a later one had a group of plane crash survivors on a beach getting drunk off salvaged BL.
the rip-off kate kinda seemed like a dumb bitch too, so you know those commercial creators were fans. haha.
so glad the saints won!!
Posted by: izzy | February 8, 2010 12:20 PM
I want to thank you guys for spoiling Fringe for me. Haven't had a chance to watch the DVR. =P
Posted by: GinaisLost | February 9, 2010 07:12 AM
Stop crying Gina. If you don't like it then don't come on here until you watch your damn show, ya big wingepot.
Posted by: RC Turnboat | February 9, 2010 10:50 AM
During last season, it was of utmost importance for the Oceanic 6 to exactly replicate the conditions of flight 815 to help things "course correct." As we know, they weren't able to do that. Things were no longer "parallel."
Perhaps the overriding theory of Lost is that there are all of these parallel universes, but the events on the island (or the power of the island) is to force these universes off-kilter.
Now the two universes we're seeing are no longer parallel, they're tilted toward each other, crossing over, heading for an ultimate collision... in the finale.
Posted by: LostRiches | February 9, 2010 11:27 AM
@RC Turnboat -- You need to take you attitude somewhere else. It won't be appreciated here. Play nice:)
Posted by: jaytch | February 9, 2010 11:28 AM
So is it possible our beloved "Losties" will be fighting themselves in the series finale? Bizzaro Losties? I dunno. My head is spinning.
Posted by: I_Heart_Sayid | February 9, 2010 11:35 AM
@Flashest... Amazing. It is the only word that comes to mind. How the hell did you nail all 3 champions? I am really starting to believe in time travel. Kudos :)
Posted by: Mr F. | February 9, 2010 12:01 PM
@Mr F- Proof that I'm not from the Future, or have not done any time travel. I didn't lay one bet on any of those winners. Which brings me to Sawyer. I get that he was really loving being the respectable Jim LeFleur and living the good life with Juliet, but don't you think the Con Man in Sawyer was dying to go stateside and place a few bets. Here are three sure 1977 winners: 1) Yankees beat the Dodgers in the World Series and Reggie Jackson earns the name Mr October. 2) Oakland Raiders (coached by the youthful John Madden) beat the Vikings (Fran Tarkenton never wins a) Super Bowl). 2) Seattle Slew wins the Triple Crown. Now any Con Man worth his salt would know a little about horse racing. Three Triple Crown winners in the 70's: Secretariat, Seattle Slew and then Affirmed in 1978. No horse has done it since. Reason enough to leave the island, bet the farm and retire with Juliet on any island they choose, as long as it doesn't have a smoke monster. He could have been long gone before Jack came back with his crazy idea of blowing the island up with a thermonuclear weapon. That's what happens when a man or woman isn't true to their nature. :)
Posted by: flashest monk | February 9, 2010 04:35 PM
Tonight's Lost was a wow!! I can't explain it, I don't claim to understand it but I loved it and I can't wait for Daniel's summary and all of your comments. ( I do worry about closure on Vincent the Wonder dog and of course, Rose and Bernard.)
Posted by: Yoga 53 | February 9, 2010 10:16 PM
The new and final season is only 2 weeks in and I'm just not feeling it. Not excited about anything and I feel like I don't really care anymore. And I've watched this show from the very beginning. It feels like they will use this season to drag out the two universes or whatever it is, and the end is going to be something lame. I'm not getting my hopes up. The only good thing about tonight's episode was Sawyer. I was so touched by his grief for Juliet, you could just feel his pain.
Posted by: Sparkle | February 10, 2010 12:58 AM
Turnboat, did you not see the =P at the end of my post? In the internet world, that means I'm teasing. Sheesh! Anybody who watches a show weeks after it runs should know better than to cruise the interweb and not expect to be spoiled somehow.
Posted by: GinaisLost | February 10, 2010 05:17 AM
where's the post for "What Kate Does" / haha can't wait.
Watch it online at totaltvmadness . com
Posted by: Mo | February 10, 2010 05:58 AM
where's the post for "What Kate Does" / haha can't wait.
Watch it online at totaltvmadness . com
Posted by: Mo | February 10, 2010 05:59 AM
lost sucked last night!!!! so disappointed
Posted by: sandy | February 10, 2010 06:06 AM
I agree sandy. Damn it I want answers not more questions!
Posted by: standi | February 10, 2010 06:20 AM
That was cool. Thanks for posting it.
Posted by: youbeelost | February 17, 2010 08:05 AM