The Lost Diary

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Totally disagree with the C+ rating.

The episode started off a little 'blah' but was totally redeemed at the end with Sayid going on a killing rampage and joining fake-locke. Just awesome. The last 10 minutes of the episode bumped up the grade, in my opinion, to about a solid B.

I'll look forward to rewatching this episode in the future... okay, that might just be because my favorite baddie of all time is in it... ;)

What an episode! Loved how Miles was holding the door closed and in comes Ilana, Sun, and Lapidus! I had, believe it or not, forgotten they were on their way to the temple. What is she going to do with Jacob's ashes? And did anyone catch when Ilana pushed that stone that Hurley pushed to get to the lighthouse she told everyone to GET IN! Not get out? I thought it opened a passage to get outside of the temple? What were they getting into? Maybe reading too much into that, or maybe not. We also found out that while Jacob was alive, Smokie was contained. And they verified that Jacob's death is what has unleashed him. How is that? He took over Locke's body before Jacob was dead...and possibly infected Christian and Claire before Jacob's death. THis has me somewhat confused.. Also confused about the enhanced version telling us the flash sideways are what would have happened if 815 hadn't crashed, but for that to work that way, wouldn't David have had to existed? Flight 815 crashed when Jack was bringing back his dad. In the "FS" that's what he was doing, and David was a teenager....means David existed before Jack went to get his dad right?

I give the episode an F I thought it was one of the worst of the whole series...

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?! Best LOST episode in years, in my opinion. I was on pins and needles the whole time. And the ending was just so super creepy. I give it an A+.

P.S. When Claire kills Kate, I will be crying with joy. Did anyone else want her to leap out of the hole and strangle Kate senseless?

DId it seem that Kate was the only person not under FLocke's "spell" as they were all leaving the Temple?

Is this because FLocke didn't speak to her as Mr. Miyagi warned Sayid about it being too late to kill him once he talks?

Saffyreblue - to answer your question about why the flash-sideways doesnt make sense...my personal theory is that the Flashsideways / alternate reality is not because of the H-bomb, or not because Flight 815 didnt crash. I think the alternate reality shows a life in which Jacob has never interfered or manipulated our Losties lives.

What? I would rewatch this. I loved the info on Sayid and his transformation. I think this was one of the best episodes so far! Not so many answers but...I don't know why Ben tried to "Save" Sayid though but the look on his face was great

And agreed, I miss Miles too. I was worried Smokie was going to get him last night... that would have pissed me off. He can't die as well!

Lol did anyone else notice the look on Lockes face when Kate joined them... like 'what..you? Alright then, I guess you can come'

oh yes Sayid want to the dark side and kate seems to be along for the ride. So in the new timeline they have a mild form of penance going on - Sayid by not being with Nadia and Kate who is still a prisoner on the run. Ben's reaction when he met new Sayid was priceless!

Where is sawyer? Waiting for the recruits?

Yes all the new roles are being filled one by one.

Merf... regarding Not Locke's look toward Kate at the end. I took that as a confused look meaning "Hmm... I didn't see her in there when I was killing everyone??"

Okay, how the hell does Ilana know all this stuff? She knew about the cabin, she knew about the ash circle around it, she knew which stone to push to open the wall, she knew to take Jacob's ashes, she knew to get to the temple exactly when she did...WTF?

@Michelle, I was seriously waiting for Claire to kill Kate, or Smokie to grab her, or Sayid to stab her in the jungle. Not that I was rooting for it, of course. I just thought I saw it coming.

***SPOILER ALERT*** ***SPOILER ALERT*** (At end of article)

Read this -- picked up a couple of things I missed last night. (Sayid's "mirror" image in Nadia's front door, Jack passing Sayid & Nadia in the hospital where they went to check on Omar.

http://tvwatch.people.com/2010/03/03/lost-all-about-sayids-sundown/?xid=rss-fullcontentnews?xid=peoplepc

Daniel, Daniel, Daniel...

Why would you expect Lost to do what it says? We've been red herring'd for so long...

The only saving grace for this episode is they 'killt' (using the term loosely) characters off that were recently introduced. Phew... now let's get back to Losties.

Answers? What answers? good/evil? really? that's it?

Why does anyone think Lighthouse is Jacob's? He didn't mind it being trashed.

Why does anyone believe what is written in cave/lighthouse? On both counts, there are clearly out-of-place markings - so tampering has been done - so you cannot take any of it as fact.

Where is Sawyer? Where is Jin?

Going back to what I said in other posting - imaginary timeline Jin is being held hostage - sorta like on-island Jin.

Ben is history teacher and not the Ben we've known. On-island Ben is changed and a bit more mild.

Jack. Imaginary timeline Jack has broken through his issues and taken charge of what he wants to be for his son. On-island Jack seems to be breaking through his spinelessness.

Sayid. Was mild after being killt. Then imaginary timeline Sayid shows the Sayid we all know. On-island Sayid comes back to what we know.

Coincidence? Not likely.

But still, no answers.

MIB is evil incarnate? According to whom? A now dead person who HAD to live at Temple to resurrect dead son? Does that make Jacob good?

@SteamyKeamy--first thing that went through my mind was "SteamyKeamy! She is going to be so happy!" And about three minutes later ... "RIP, Steamy." Sorry about that, for you, of course. Now, on to read the recap and comments :)

How sad is it that one of my first thoughts was how happy lovesteamykeamy would be.

Nice parallel in sideways and Island. Sideways Sayid spending 12 years trying to repent from what he did in the war, but becoming bad guy killer for Nadya; Island Sayid going to dark side for Nadya.

Question -- wasn't Ben *judged* by Smokey? Where was that? I thought it was in the Temple. So was Jacob also able to turn himself into Smokey?

I disagree with your rating too!

I strongly beleive Jacob is the good guy even temple guy is a good guy because he chose not to kill sayid as he still wanted to see his son again. I think if he had chosen wrongly in the new timeline he wouldn't have the life he did - with his son.

What it shows to me is those losties have the choice to be good or evil but that the choices themselves are grey and can be changed or reversed. Or they can be saved by the actions of another. Very Jesus like.

I gotta say - I thought this was a great episode. Riveting up the tension between rival forces, the growing of team Not Locke, and the return of bad-a** Sayid.

You are really getting cynical and annoying Daniel.

So,,,, does that mean that Jack's dad sightings have always been the MIB?

When he gave the spiel about their being good and bad in everyone and the scale shows I started wondering also if Jacob and the MIB were the same person.

Ok, Daniel - love your posts - BUT any ep that contains Sayid kicking someone's ass is awesome in my book! When he's doing what he's meant to do, it's on....

Also loved seeing Jack in the hospital...I am glued to the tv so far this season, with exception of the Kate ep...B O R I N G!

I agree with Michelle - ending WAS creepy - can't wait til next week - I give this one an A!

Jacob never intervened is Kate's life right? She isn't one of the numbers. So does that mean she'll DIE soon?!!! :)

It was a good episode, definitely not great but it helped me, at least, sort through my own theories and questions. I previously had a theory that Not Locke took over Christian's body after the first crash but then last night's episode reminded me that the shack where Christian was hanging out was also surrounded by the ashes that surrounded the temple (shown as Claire was talking to Not Locke before she went into the temple). Second, the flashsideways re-iterated that Sayid is a killer and that can't change. He will be a scary weapon for Not Locke. Third, it also verified that Not Locke IS evil (doesn't necessarily confirm Jacob is good, but still) because he made different promises to Sawyer and Sayid to get them to side with them. Probably told Claire something similar re: getting Aaron back. They all lost someone they loved, are vulnerable, instint Team Not Locke. I also have a feeling Jack will have to decide in some way between saving Claire or Kate, should be interesting!

@LSK - condolences. I so thought Kate was getting off'd - ah well. One can hope...

Ben - boy do they need next week's epi - we've seen so little and he's seemingly so changed. Ben does this though... we'll have to see.

I agree. Good final five minutes, bad everything else. The episode could have been half its length and been as enjoyable and informative.

@Michelle...couldn't agree more. If one of the main cast has to die...please let it be Kate! I was so hoping Claire took her out last night. Maybe soon. As for the episode, I thought it was above average, but not spectacular, B-. I love evil Sayid though. It seems evil is his destiny, regardless of the path.

This was a weird episode. It built to a fever pitch, but for the early sideways story seemed tedious. Much better than a C+, I think your "I need answers" is a little bit silly. The fact is, the reason the show is so great is because it gives you something to contemplate; it unfolds instead of forcing, and that should be appreciated. Your questions aren't going to be fully answered and the sooner you accept that, the sooner you can relax and enjoy the ride.

Did I see the wrong info after last night episode? Daniel says there are 12 episodes left, but last night after the previews it said there are only 10 left.
Either way, last nights episode wasn't great, but it wasn't awful. I am just hoping that they get to answering more questions and not leaving all the big reveals until the last episode.

Is anyone else confused with what is going on with Ben? He seems to have teamed up with the Losties. He's been their enemy since the crash, has kidnapped and tried to kill them. All of a sudden He's to be trusted? I laughed out loud last night when he said he would go back to the pool to get Sayid. Also, Why isn't Ben being recognized as important, or at least having fallen from grace, by any of the Others? I guess the Others and Losties have now supposedly teamed up agains UnLocke, but I'm having a hard time crossing the bridge with Ben.

>loves teamykeamy

I was thinking of YOU last week when Keamy came on, LOL

@JLynne -- My first initial and middle, even with the 'e,' too. How Lost-connected is that?

@ MAT

Thank you! Yes! Someone else finally agrees with me that they are handling the pacing of the show and answers appropriately! I hate when the last season of shows suddenly trying to tie everything up too quickly. I appreciate that it is remaining true to the shows pace and slowly building to an epic ending!!!

Might we sight an Abram's example of doing that with Alias!!! (that was canceled but they had time to deal with it delicately but instead rushed everything and it became cheesy)

I give it an F - totally lame

@ Kehle:

They said there are only 10 episodes left before the two hour series finale. That would actually be 12 one hour episodes.

@ KEHLE,,,,,, their and 10 episodes then a 2 hour series finale so in essence it is 12 eps.

Is there anyone here who doesn't want them to kill off Kate?

I thought Daniel's C+ was generous. I wanted to like this episode, but thought it was pretty dull.

I'm glad we now have 2 core groups (with Sawyer in an unknown place) to fight it out. Glad we now have reason to place Widmore on the MIB side. But who/what is Dharma? Widmore? The vaccines? Why did Dharma keep dropping food when Losties first got to the Island? Why are the Temple Others all dressed like 60s throwbacks, and where are the other Others? Will we ever know ANY of this? Cmon, producers.

I have to say I really liked seeing Sayid kill Dogen and Lennon - I found both of them to be very annoying characters. It was also cool to see Sayid kill Keamy - I like bad-ass Sayid. It was sad to see Nadia married to Sayid's brother in the Sideways world.
I'm with Daniel - I really want more answers. Every week after the episode, I don't find myself saying 'that was awesome' - I am sorry to say that I think I'm going to be majorly disappointed with the ending after investing all these years into this show, the theories, the blogs, et cetera. I'm still along for the ride, but this season is not what I expected so far - the only episode that really did it for me was the not-locke/sawyer episode 2 weeks ago.

@ Cara -- I get what you are saying about Ben. All of the sudden he isn't the bad guy? He got used by the MIB to take down Jacob, and now he is repenting for his previous sins, maybe? His goal has always been to protect the island, and MIBs says the island does not need protecting.

The whole thing is so jing/yang -- good and bad are just two sides of the same coin.

@ Mat - Agreed. Most of the intrigue with Lost is not having the answers. I find myself sometimes disappointed when the answers do become obvious. Theorizing is much more fun when we don't know everything.

@cara - I think Ben is the lesser of the things the Losties and the other people on the Island have to worry about at the moment.

I'm surprised you forgot to mention the slightly surprised look that Flocke gave Kate as she walked out of the Temple... the look was like you're not supposed to be here and this kind of throws a wrench into my plans... Also where is Sawyer? Did Flocke just leave him in the cave to fend for himself... was this how he killed him without killing him?

i think you need to stop watching - you will never be happy

Thanks for the thoughts and condolences, y'all. I've made a mark! ;)

Didn't really want them to kill off Kate this ep, just thought that it was coming was all... Claire had a slightly murderous gleam in her eye.

I think Ben is siding with the Losties at the moment because that side might be a little safer. Although I think Ben sides with whoever he wants whenever he wants, whoever is the highest bidder, or something like that. And I was worried Sayid was going to off him into the pool last night too. Relieved when he didn't.

Ending was creepy. I'm still hearing that creepy version of "Catch a Falling Star" in my head today. Must. Get. It. Out!

OK, before I forget, other random thoughts:

The fight: since I kept going "Not Sayid, Not Sayid" during the fight, when I could tell it was his stunt double and not actually Naveen, I think it hurt the character's credibility for the rest of the ep. I wasn't as emotionally involved. And yes, I know the fight scenes are rarely filmed with the actual actor, but knowing that and seeing it on screen are two different types of brain interaction.

And two: who was the guy that picked up Sayid in the black SUV? He looks familiar, is that from LOST or his other work?

@Janelle, that guy was Omar, who was seen in Season 4 working with Keamy then too, as part of the Mercenary team.

I hope Widmore is the person who is coming to the island!!! I think next week will be the perfect time for him to return, and hopefully put closure to the BEN/CHARLES riff.

I don't understand the people who hated the episode, or deign it a bad grade.

You know why? Cause its LOST. No matter what, I always ALWAYS enjoy watching each and every episode. Yes some are way better than others, but all of them are necessary in telling the story. I think people need to stop with the judgement, you're only setting yourself up for more dissapointment. A show like Lost shouldnt even be judged on an episode to episode basis. It is what it is. If you can't get past that then you arent a real fan, and that goes for Daniel too.

Dan, I've been more dissapointed by your posts than by the episodes. You either love them or hate them, and I never agree with the reasons. You've become a little cynical.

I WANT DESMOND!!!

Thanks Steamy! LOL we've both been around here for awhile, was hoping to see you on the Facebook discussion last night, I logged onto it the second he came on screen :)

lol, good timing for the logon, Janelle. ;) Wouldn't see me on the discussion there, I'm still too lazy to have a facebook, lol.

I have had the ultra creepy version of catch a falling star in my head ever since the end of the show.

Saffyreblue and OPUS-
Thanks, I must have been too busy wishing that someone would just kill Kate already.

I was waiting for Kate to say to Claire "It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again."

I thought it was an okay episode until the Lockeness monster went off at the end. That and Sayid killing Dogen and his right hand man.

It had a Star Wars: Episode 3 feel to it... Flocke promising to reunite Sayid with his lost love, making him turn to Flocke's side.

Hopefully next week we'll find out where Sawyer is/has been.

Already off topic- The whispers are easily explained when you figure that the island is a nexus for timelines and realities ala Man-Thing's Everglades. Disembodied voices from overlapping timelines.
or

voices from those MIB has claimed?

"Talk amongst yourselves."

@ Steamy: Damn, girl, get with the program already :) I logged on hoping you'd be on the discussion so I could give you a shout out :)

I will repost my question from the other thread: Did Kate officially adopt Aaron? If so, could he be the "51 Austen"?

havent read comments yet, but didn't Sideways Sayid's hair suck big time?! Definitely looks better in the jungle!

Don't forget - Shannon also died in Sayid's arms...

Micheleyelly - very interesting...

Was anyone else EXTREMELY creeped out by Claire singing that song (Catch a Falling Star) as they walked out of the tempo slow-mo?? I got chills! And what's with Claire and this song? This is the same song that Kate sings to Aaron, and she asked the potential adopted parents to sing to him. And didn't Charlie sing it to Aaron at one point as well? I want to look up song meanings to see if there is some way that it all ties in. All I know is that that it gave me the heeby jeebies when she was singing it so softly as they left the destroyed temple!! CREEPY!

Daniel, you just don't like Lost anymore. It's becoming more obvious with each passing recap.
You don't seem to enjoy writing these posts anymore either.

why don't you just stop writing posts if your heart isn't into it? it must be part of your job, I guess, because there's no way you are doing this for enjoyment.

your posts used to be incredibly entertaining - now, they give me the same attitude you have of pretty much every episode: boring, whine whine whine, not what I want.

I'm all for criticism, but come on. this is a pain to read, and a shadow of what it used to be.

All of our Losties are both good and evil. There are two sides to all of them just as there are two sides of the same person in Jacob/MIB.

Can anyone get a screen shot of the smoke passing over Kate and Claire when they were in the hole? I swear there was stuff in it a la the tornado in the Wizard of Oz.

In my head "catch a falling star" segued into John Anderson's version.

@ Karen:
I WANT DESMOND!!!

Me too! We better see him soon!!

@jaytch - I don't think Kate ever officially adopted Aaron because she was trying to pass him off as her own.

where is Richard? Shouldn't he have made it to the temple before Illana and crew?

impoting some comments I made earlier this morn:

Would really LOVE it if Dogen rose from the water like an avenging zombie. But if Dogen rises, Lennon would prob'y too, and I see no need for that.

It would add weight to Kate's character and explain some of her motivation if she stayed with with Fakelocke's camp, but his glance at her shows that she hasn't bought what he's selling, and he knows it.

OMG @ Micheleyelly - I hear that Maggie Grace is going to appear on Lost this season (finally she signed on) - I think you are right! Sayid assumes that it is Nadia that he will see again but FLock may be messing with him and it may be Shannon he sees again! Good call!!

That was one of the best episodes. Can't believe you gave it a C+. I miss Richard though.

Interesting that Jin was incapacitated in both timelines. I'm wondering how he got out of the airport security situation. Didn't Widmore get Sun pulled aside by airport security in season 4 or 5?

@jaytch - she claimed Aaron was her son - so there is no need for adoption...

Best part of the show

Sayid pulling bad-ass in the kitchen! Expected him to tell Keamy,"I was a torturer in the Republican Guard, dumbass! Maybe you should be more careful who you abduct next time!"
BLAM!

"next time, ha-ha! I should say sideways-time!"

*poom*

Flickering torches at the temple! that moment of anticipation @ sundown in the temple was awesome! I was like man, I wouldnt want to be anywhere near there!

This episode reminded me of Star Wars episode III. With Sayid (Anakin) promised being reunited with his love, and Flocke (emperor) asking him to join his side in return. In addition, the ending was almost exactly the same with Sayid slowly turning and walking in slow motion

Agree with the grade, my least favorite one so far. Glad the episode wasn't about Sun, but I'm sure their's one around the corner. Is Sawyer hanging out in the cave???

Love the Zen aspect
of the baseball hitting the floor. Dogen knew it was an omen. Too bad the writers agreed to put an enddate on the series, or Dogen might have gotten a whole episode.

I think Widmore was banished because Eloise or Ben found his closet of ids & passports leading down to the donkey wheel. They figured out he was using the island to fatten his wallet (among other things).This was the ammo that Ben needed to wrest leadership for himself

I did think Sayid was badass with his kitchen and Temple hot tub killings...

But it had nothing on Flocke as he walked out of the Temple. The strut/swagger he had as he rolled out of the Temple screamed badass.

@Good Omen & fanolost -- Thanks:)

1. @ patty – when Christian was in the cabin, the ashes were broken

2. Daniel, I can’t believe you left out sayid’s quote, (9:57: “…I know.”) Byyyyye Lennon.

3. How about the burning crosses in the last minute? Creepy as hell with that song Claire was singing…

4. There were a bunch of references to ‘games’ again this episode – miles was playing cards, the baseball, etc. - there's been a lot of that on this show

5. love the sayid/shannon connection, and the whispering voices.. hmmm

Can we stop the Daniel hate-wagon please? It accomplishes nothing.

Anyone know what Jin was saying to Sayid in the freezer?

@lovesteamykeamy

I thought of you last night when Keamy came on. Than I thought that sucks you had to watch him die twice.

@patty and donthatekate - we don't know when the ash line was tampered with. We only know when Ilana shows it to us. We also don't know when Flocke started taking on Locke's persona.

Typical - more questions!

@LoveSteamyKeamy - Sideways Keamy was not as hot as jungle Keamy. His teeth looked really weird to me.
@fanolost - One CAN hope!
@ssarahbadera- where are you?! I miss your comments. Facebook doesn't work for me I can't sit at the computer and pay attention to the show and I can't access Facebook at work...ANNOYING!
Does anyone thing that UnLocke will keep ANY of his promises? I don't!
@deelzbub - Man-Thing's Everglades? Please 'splain, Lucy! I agree Kate's not buying (Jin and Sawyer either) but are going along for the ride.

I have been reading this blog since it started but I have to say you guys are funny. I see Keamy in the ep and laugh.(she's gonna love this)What is with the zombie like people that are following NotLocke. Evan Kate had that look.Claire and her Silence of the Lambs immat.I love that they are
removing the limits of the temples protection. It should be more fun now.

We now have Kate and Sawyer with the Non Locke- Sawyer was tricked and Kate is just following. I believe Claire is biding her time on killing Kate. Sawyer is going to see it and try to save her. They'll escape and end up back with Ben and the other's some how. Sayid I think unforturnately is a lost cause. He thinks of himself as evil and has succumbed to it. Unless he has something up his sleeve. That is the way I think things may pan out.

Could CLAIRE have killed KATE in the hole, and now KATE is like CLAIRE & SAYID???

That could explain why she is "zombied out" and following MiB ??

Just a theory.......

Look at the "Last Supper" pre-season picture for this season. You can see exactly who is going to be on each side.

LOCKE/MiB in the middle

One side of table (The MiB side): SAWYER, KATE, SAYID, CLAIRE, ILANA & RICHARD (interesting that ILANA & RICHARD are on this side)

The other side (JACOB side): JACK, HURLEY, SUN, JIN, MILES & FRANK

Your thoughts on this?

@ pricee - don't count Sawyer out. I doubt he's been duped. He wants out - and he's one of those I don't think Flocke can influence/make zombie. He has to be on his side willingly. I bet Kate is the same.

Sayid is dead. Whatever he is now, he is dead. That said, he's a minion of MIB. I don't get why these folks do look zombie-ish.

This good/evil balance is odd: Jacob making Dogen leave the life he knows in order to resurrect his son - is surely not a 'good' person.

So maybe it's a lot deeper than good/evil - which would make me happier...

have a hard time, @BB, that Ilana is going to go with MIB. Wonder if the people at the very end of the table are supposed to be on the other side?

@bb - remember the poster for season 5 - and missing feet and all? I don't know how much stock I put into those images.

I don't see Ilana on MIB's side unless she dies. Where is Ben in all of this?

And really, Frank Lapidus. Is there more to him?

Great episode. Daniel maybe you should stop posting your review and just provide the medium for us to post ideas, because you clearly dont like this show and your effort proves this.

If Frank was supposed to be on the island one way or the other, that might help us understand why MIB killed the pilot in the pilot.

I am soooo upset by this episode, because I don't want Sayid to be a bad boy. He can't be evil.

But after last night....

@ janelle

I agree about ILANA being on the "wrong end" of the table and trying to rationalize that --- but hey, this is LOST!

(That's what keeps us all watching!)

just an fyi. the guy walking with jack down the hallway at the hospital appears in that scene three times total. once walking with jack, next we see him walking behind the dr that is giving syaid the update on his brother's condition and then walking behind syaid opposite the way he was walking with Jack. i thought this mystery man resembled Christian. not Sure though? Thoughts anyone?

It would make sense if ILANA is trying to gain the trust of the group that is following her to go with FLOCKE. She could be a double-agent.

@bb either that or she still thinks she can get claire home.

@Janelle, yeah, I need one, I just haven't gotten around to it yet.

@Gizmo, yeah, stunk I got to see him die twice, but hey, any Keamy is good Keamy for me.

@LostLover, agreed, he's a little better as Jungle Commando Keamy... but I like a man in the kitchen too... means I won't always be cooking. ;)

Where is Richard? I'm starting to worry about the Ageless Wonder!

Sammi - Jacob did intervene in Kate's life. He was there when she and her friend stole the lunch box, he paid for it so she wouldn't get into trouble.

Sammi - Jacob did intervene in Kate's life. He was there when she and her friend stole the lunch box, he paid for it so she wouldn't get into trouble.

some one said that Jacob did not interfere in Kate's life, but he did -- he caught her shoplifting as a child.

As far as the CODE goes: WOMB would make sense b/c
of the statue of Butterfly McQueen - Egyptian god of birthin' babies or whatever

An additional note regarding The Lost Diary: I started reading this way back in the beginning. I found your take on the show very entertaining...but now it just seems critical. I feel like reading your blog after having watched a show is making me like Lost less. I think I'm going to have to stop reading these till after the show in over so that the rest of the season isn't ruined for me. When did you become so cynical Daniel? At what point did Lost lose you? Because you are obviously no longer invested and are just keeping up with this diary because it has so many followers. Maybe you should get a "ghost writer" who actually likes the show to start writing this blog for you...just a thought.

Here is what I think on where each of the characters are at:

Ben - following ILANA because he realized he F'd up by killing Jacob. He is doubtful of himself now, and is allowing himself to be "lead." This will not stop his true nature, and he will surely become sinister again.

Kate - she is following FLOCKE only because his group made it out alive. She will join with Sawyer and try to pull a "con" over on MIB. She also will try to accomplish her original mission to help Claire.

Claire - lost cause unless MIB gets killed.

Sayid - See Claire

Miles - See Kate

Hurley - knows that he is on the right path. Will be victorious in his quest.

Jin/Sun - along for the ride. Will reunite and find Rose & Bernard and hunker down with them until it all blows over.

Jack - Will continue to throw a hissy fit until he gets his way. Will follow Hurley because Hurley has all the info now.

Richard - will pop out of the jungle every once and again trying to get people away from MIB. Will not succeed.

@ markcondrin:

Not Christian...I stopped it, and watched it in slow motion a few times...Waaaay too young to be Christian.

Have always thougt Jacob & MIB are the same person. There is good and bad in everyone and everything. People have choices, it is the choices they make that define them.

@Nicole, LOL about Jack and his hissy fits! I can see that coming true.

@Janelle - interesting about the pilots - I'd never thought of that! Killt the wrong pilot and Frank will save the day!

At some point we are all lost between good and evil. Do we have free will to choose or are we destined to be good or evil? Is there a a messiah, or Sheppard to lead us from temptation? Or, are some of us just evil and beyond redemption? I don't think this show will ever answer these questions. I think the writer's have taken us on a journey with the survivors of 815 to find what life really holds them.

Seriously...how much better of an episode would this be if Kate died...I was SOOO hoping she would get swallowed up by Smokie... or at least severely beaten by Claire...

What about the grey ash Jacob was putting into the water? Will that have any affect on Dogon or Lennon?

I must be among the few who think this season has been great. Each Episode answers a few "questions" and still leads us guessing. There are 10 eps left for the writers to tie everything in. That means great eps to follow.
Interesting on the Promo pic.
What is Sayid going to do with Jin, when he finds out Jin knifed his brother?

I mean, why else would Jacob have been putting ash into the water? Any thoughts?

@ Memo: I say they both come back ...

When did Jacob put ash in water?

RE: The Pilot. I have thought for years that there was more of a reason that the first ep was named "The Pilot" other than it being the pilot ep for the show. JJ and Co. have a reason behind every show name they picked. Either MIB killed the wrong pilot, or killed the pilot to ensure that Frank could come to the island? If there was already a pilot there, maybe there is something in "the rules" that prevented another one from being there?

Question: was Ilana the only one that was not a lostee that Jacob was shown to visit? She cried when he died, I didn't see anyone else do that when they were told Jacob was dead. She took his ashes too. Is it possible that they are related somehow? Hmmmm?

Not a regular poster but a regular reader. One thought. When MIB told Sayid that he could have Nadia if he followed him it got me thinking about the real reasons for the alternate timeline. What if, that is the world MIB will present to the Losties and the way the two timelines will dovetail is each one will get to choose to stay on the island or join the alternate timeline "already in progress"?

"if there's one thing that will kill you on this island.. its infection" - claire to jin last episode. Great quote no one seems to be talking about.
How exactly did all these infected people become infected.

@Gregg
Jin stabbed Sayid's brother?? I must have missed that. Jin was tied up when Sayid was there, but I don't remember them showing Omar getting stabbed. I guess I will have to watch again.

@Saffreyblue
Jacob visited Ilana when she was in a hospital somewhere. She was all bandaged up and he touched her. He did tell her that he needed her help. She did seem to know who he was I guess they could be related. She seems to have more knowledge about Jacob than anyone else.

@ Gizmo. That is my theory. Sayid asked who stabbed my brother. keamy said he didnt do it. I saw Jun tied up and bloody. Im guessing Jin did it.

How can LOST create some of the best characters on TV-Desmond, Locke, Richard, Ben and then throw in the most ridiculous. Thank God they killed off Dogen and Lennon. The ratings will probably go up next week with those two gone.

@ mem0414:

On last week's thread quite a few people said they watched that scene multiple times and all it shows is Jacob swirling the water with a stick. They all sad he didn't put anything in the water...

Maybe Sayid did a "good" thing by offing Dogen & Lennon in the water. They would not be killed by Smoke/Locke and may resurrect.

All the main characters are separated now. Jack & Hurley are at the lighthouse. Sawyer still at cave? Jin still at Claire's hut with injured leg. Sayid with Flocke, Claire and Kate (who at least thought to pick up a gun.
Then there's the Ilana group with Ben, Sun, Lawnmower man & now Miles.
Richard MIA.
Curious to see how they will reunite. Next weeks preview shows what looks like Ben & co. burying Temple bodies - maybe Hurley & Jack will return there now that it is "safe"

Just had a thought I wanted to throw out there. Everyone keeps talking about how MIB vs.Jacob represents good vs. evil, or fate vs. free will. I'm not so sure. I'm thinking maybe Jacob represents redemption and MIB represents damnation. Yah, Dogen had to stay on the island in order for his kid to live. But hey, maybe that should be his pennance- I mean, he did kill his own kid by driving drunk. A stupid, selfish act. Now, Sayid on the other hand has done horrible things througout his life. In the sideways-verse he says he doesn't deserve to be with Nadia. But on the island he chooses his own desire over what is right and sacrifices many lives in order to get what he wants. Thereby aligning himself with ol'Smokie- and damning himself. What do you think? Does it hold water?

How did Kate and Claire get out of the hole?

You are so off-base Daniel. Sometimes I feel this blog is more of an obligation to you now than ever before.

Here's the deal...we ARE getting answers every week. The problem is, what questions are you wanting answered? You're not going to get huge answers in every episode. They build up to things and then do a reveal. They have to give the answers in small doses, so small in fact that you may not notice unless, like you said yourself, you go back through and look for them. Granted, there are flaws, and I can see how, with the episodes winding down, you're starting to lose faith that we will EVER get closure on some things.

In the end, you have to ask yourself, are my expectations WAY too high?

@Gregg, you're absolutely right. The infection thing goes back to season 1 (2?) where Claire is kidnapped by the Others, and there's something about being innoculated to prevent being infected. Also something about everyone not innoculated dying, but there isn't enough vaccine. Its been a long time since I watched it, but I think you picked up a real clue.

@ladyofthelake...I'm pretty sure Kate kicked down the ladder to Claire when she was trying to get her to come out...which she subsequently had to use to keep from being killed by Smokey.

@ ladyofthelake:

Prolly with the latter Kate kicked when Smokie was about to off here...I wish Smokie got to her...

oops, I meant LADDER

First time posting this season. I don't post much but I enjoy reading all of your comments each week. I'm going to miss you guys when LOST is all over.

The more I think about each character and who they are on the island and off the island in sideways flashes, the more I think that none of it matters. It seems that they end up being the same person in the end. No matter what you do to try to alter your fate and your circumstances, there is good and bad in each of us and we cannot alter who we are or who we are going to be.

@Gregg...I didn't think of Jin stabbing Omar, good thought. My husband was asking how Jin would have been involved with them too, and my thoughts were, perhaps Keamy's character was who Sun's dad wanted him to deliver the watch to. Then, maybe they had another "errand" for him, to send a message.

@Memo & Kitz...I don't think Jacob was putting ash into the water...not that was shown anyways. When Hurley approached him in the temple, Jacob was stirring the water with a stick.

Anyone...regarding Lapidus...wasn't there dialog between he and (I think) Sun after Ajira plane crashed. Something like Sun(?), "What are you doing here?" Lapidus is tied up in the canoe and he says something like, "They said they needed me." (Or Ilana said "they need him to Bram.) I know I have this all wrong:( Does anybody remember this scene?

RE Sayid's remark about the only person he ever loved died in his arms. Didn't Shannon die in his arms? I read some where that the actress who played Shannon was going to appear again in this. last seaon.

Was I the only one that about crapped their pants when Sayid looked at Ben, bloodied knife in hand, and said "I don't want to be helped." Even Ben wasn't going to try to convince him after that, and frankly ran with his tail between his legs.

I almost half suspected that Sayid would slit Ben and toss him into the water with Lennon and Dogen. Then again, he's already taken a dip! ;-)

@ Jaytch:

Ilana is the key here! She showed up at the temple and seemed to know what was going on. She immediately wanted Jack to know where Jack was. She cried over Jacob's death, took his ashes, knew about the cabin, knew about the ash circle at the cabin, she also had the men carry around Locke's body after the crash because she knew they would need it....seems she knows a lot for having just come to the island...she's also the one that brought Sayid back to the Island, because he was supposed to be there.

My confusion about Smokie is: Why does he need "followers"? If his ultimate plan is to destroy everyone and leave the island, it seems like he has the power to do that, so why doesn't he? It seems like he is making a bunch of promises that he may or may not keep - or at least partially keep. The old saying, "Be careful what you wish for" comes to mind.

@Yoga 53...I was thinking the EXACT same thing last night. It has been confirmed that Shannon will be back this season, even thought we have no clue what capacity it will in (I really REALLY hope it's not in a flash-sideways). Nadia AND Shannon BOTH died in Sayid's arms. He could have been speaking about either of them, or both of them in a sense.

@ Beatheaux. to me it makes more sense for Jin to be locked up for knifing omar, than for losing 10k/watch incident at the airport.

@Letsnotsay. Looking back at prev seasons, are we to assume that every time an person came in contact with the smoke monster they became infected? And do we know for sure who the smoke monster represented in seasons past. was it good/evil or mib/jacob etc

@Gregg...I know Jin lost the 10k, but it was the watch that Sun's dad wanted delivered. Not sure how significant that is...but what is you reasoning as to why Jin would have been locked up for knifing Omar? Who would have made him do it other than Keamy? I think he's in there for another reason.

@Yoga 53 and Betheaux:

Sayid told MIB "The only thing I EVER wanted died in my arms". I don't think this refers to Shannon. ALthough she did die in his arms, we were clearly shown his love for Nadia before he even knew who Shannon was....the fact that he said EVER leads me to believe this is Nadia....and the FS shows Nadia in his life, but not as he had always wanted her, she's alive, but he can't be with her....maybe that is MIB's twist....ask EXACTLY what you want....I want Nadia back....poof, okay but you can't be with her ever. She will be with someone else in your family....DAMN IT!

@Janelle - heck, I thought they play on 'Pilot' was like, pilot episode. Doh.

Now... I think you're on to something - and when Jacob says someone's coming - we assume it's off island person but maybe it's Lapidus. He's at the temple now - along with the 'evil that was coming.'

@jaytch - yes, yes yes... that dialog is familiar... And Ilana takes him to the main island (not everyone comes with).

@Tony C - welcome aboard again. I don't know if it's as simple as 'no one can change.' I think that's the great difference between Jacob and MIB during their beach discussion - MIB saying same ole, same ole - and Jacob saying it's all progress. I've seen small changes in the characters between the timelines (I've posted above about Jack, Sayid, Dogen, and on the other postings Kate).

And if MIB is making zombies out of folks - Sayid is dead - then that says to me characters changed so much that the only way to 'win' the game, or even play the game, would be to kill.

Which is likely why MIB couldn't kill Jacob - it's unsportsmanlike and skews the odds. Not only has MIB killed Jacob - now he's killing losties...

Another side note: Did anyone else notice the closeup on Nadia's hands during the sappy scene with Sayid? No scars! Perhaps she was never tortured?

OK, can we go back into Sayid's backstory... did anything/anyone die in his arms back in Iraq?

@Saffyreblue -- I'm with you. Ilana and her whole team have/had a wholly different relationship with Jacob than anyone else. I would still like someone to tell me about the conversation I'm trying to remember:)

@ Beatheaux - not sure maybe collateral. Keamy might have him for leverage. Sayid obviously killed keamy without hearing keamy out. No real good answer for you

@flashest monk: You're awfully quiet today.

After watching last week's episode again at 8:00, Jack's mother said something like "didn't you see how upset he was at the funeral" when talking to Jack about his son. Am I missing something or did they find Christian's body and have the service??

@ Kyle:

They probably had the funeral sans corpse...

@Saffyreblue...I hear ya on that one, especially with Nadia being so heavily featured. My ONLY other thought is referring to the 'thing' Sayid wanted. Clearly he did love Nadia more deeply than Shannon, but the parallels were still similar. Perhaps he was talking about his true love and happiness. Again, this is my ramblings. Most likely it's the obvious with Nadia.

@Fanolost...Totally on board with Lapidus being a lot more integral to the story than meets the eye.

Ok - I might be missing a post, but how come nobody else noted Dogen's speech to Sayid paraphrased as" "in every one there is good and evil, and you are out of balance" - he implies he's evil, but he doesn't say it, he could be too good.

Also, I hate the pop-up episodes, they are just wrong too often it feels. For example in last night's episode it states as fact that the flash sideways shows what would have happened if Jacob had not manipulated the five candidates after touching them. It's not valid with Sayid - we only see Jacob meet and touch Sayid after he reunites with Nadia after being saved from the island and is in LA as an Oceanic 6. So how could his flash sideways life be so different when it wasn't supposed to have been effected until after the original crash

Theory: Jin is in Keamey's fridge because Sun's father sent Jin to Keamy with a watch so he'd kill Jin and Sun would come home, right? Sun's dad became aware of the plan for Sun and Jin to escape to America, right?

Flocke's look at Kate seems angry to me - like he wants to kill her as soon as no one is looking.

Miles is going to start ricking again.

Jacob fixed the spring, whether he stirred in anything or not, he knew what was going to happen with Sayid and Dogen.

Theory: Dogen's deal with Jacob is he could never take a life again and the baseball reminds him of that (this will come through in a flashback or a story after Dogen comes back to life un-infected as well as Give Peace a Chance Lennon) - this is why Dogen couldn't kill Sayid via poison, broken neck or knife and had to get someone else to do it, it's his rule just like Jacob and MIB had rules and MIB had to get Ben to kill Jacob

Any word on the screencaps from when Smokie was flying over the hole Claire and Kate were in? I tried to pause it to see if anything was there, but my tivo doesn't go that slow. I swear there was something there.

The look not\Locke gave Kate was priceless. She's definitely not welcome. But does that make her good guy or bad?

@Fanolost...Nobody died in Sayid's arms in Iraq. He killed a guard to let Nadia escaped and tortured a terrorist post-service as a civilian. Nadia died in Sayid's arms in the middle of the street after she was hit by a car (Jacob's doing by distracting Sayid). Shannon died in Sayid's arms on the island after she was shot by Ana-Lucia.

Correction: Miles is going to start rocking (not ricking) - I think they are going to dial up his role, he's just too good to leave in the background

@ Suede66:

I like it! What if MIB and Jacob can't kill eachother because they too had at one time in the past killed someone and was given the choice by someone else, to let that person live and sacrifice themselves to the island. Could be why the only think MIB wants is "to go home". Good theory!

I have a serious problem with the grades you've been given lately. I have been a devout reader of the lost diary since it began and have started to think you're getting a little jaded. Most people I've talked to think this was a phenomenal episode, worthy of at least an A. You've begun to look at Lost like a show made solely for your desires..."are my questions answered at the exact moment I want them answered?" That was never what Lost was about. It's a show that makes you think, makes you question, makes you wonder...If the end of the season comes and not one of my burning questions are answered I will still look at this show as tv's greatest accomplishment...because it entertained me as shows are meant to do. I am a big fan of your blog, a religious reader, and am dissapointed with the attitude you have taken with a show you claim to love .

@suede66 -- The flash-sideways represent the Losties lives had the PLANE not crashed...not whether or not JACOB came into their lives:)

From LostPedia...

"Sayid hears banging noises coming from a walk-in freezer and finds Jin, gagged and held hostage. Sayid pulls off tape on Jin's mouth and a beaten Jin says in Korean: "Don't Kill me. Please. Let me live." Not understanding what he is saying, Sayid asks: "Who are you?" and a frustrated Jin replys in english: "No English."

Not exactly definitive, but at least we know what Jin said.

@jaytch - that's not what the pop-up said (which was my complaint ) during the 8:00 show last night - I'll post the timestamp later when I can rewatch, having said that the two are not mutually exclusive

pretty sure we've seen MIB kill lots of people, especially last nite

I can't post all day, due to work - but I was very happy first thing this morning (eastern time) to post I thought last night's show should be an A or A+. Of course everyone has their own opinion, but I agree with those who think Danile is being way too critical and harsh. But it's only going to get worse, because the PTB say they are only going to answer questions if they are of concern to the core characters. So a lot will go unanswered!

@ Suede66:

I could swear the pop up said "This flash sideways represents what would have happened if flight 815 hadn't crashed".....because I said, wait a minute, in the FS David is a teenager, which is when Jack went to find his father, the plane crashed on the way back, so clearly David would have had to existed BEFORE the crash.....but other posters tell me that this shows the plane crash was orchestrated, most likely by Jacob, had Jacob not ever existed in their lives, the FS is what it would have been like.

Oh Daniel, you're too harsh with your critiques. We learned a lot of good stuff and got to see badass Sayid and badass Not Locke! Not to mention the fact that lovesteamykeamy once again got to see her fave (yes, I thought of you too).

Thanks for all the great posts today. It's making work go by quick! I hesitate to say that Dogen's son died...I thought the deal was that whomever spoke to Dogen said he would save him (from a coma? from paralysis?), if Dogen agreed to come to the island. Did i miss where he said he son died in the accident?

Thinking about Desmond & the island not being through with him. He was originaly in the hatch because he crashed his boat on the island. We saw him in the harbor in LA with Penny & son. They are living on the boat sailing around the world. Could it happen that they will again come to the island by boat?
Jacob said without the lighthouse that whomever is coming will find another way to get there. Which also makes me think that if something is predestined to happen then it will...regardless of outside influences.

@ AZWildcat:

Dogen told Sayid that he survided the accident but his son did not.

@Danielle...Most of the time I just skip over Daniel's play-by-play and get right to the comments. All Daniel does is narrate the show, like we all do. He used to give his own theories along with commentary on the show, which made it interesting. Now all he does is grade the episode and whine.

IMHO, Hawaiiup.com/lost is the BEST Lost blog out there. I go there first for the scoop...then here for the banter!

People posting comments to Daniel........you think he cares enough to come back and read your comments?? Really he has lost all interest in Lost and your theories. Use this space to talk amongst yourselves. Your comments to him fall on deaf ears.

>>Ending was creepy. I'm still hearing that creepy version of "Catch a Falling Star" in my head today. Must. Get. It. Out!>>
I totally agree with you -- CREEPY, I found it hard to sleep, LOL

Again, I feel like people need to calm down about Daniel and his grades for the eps. THE GRADES ARE A MATTER OF OPINION. If you agree, cool, if not, cool as well. No need to bash the guy though...everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

@AZWildcat...You're right...Dogen never said that his son died. He trailed off after he said "I survived. My son....", and we assumed he died. Jacob agreed to save his son if Dogen came to the island. It kind of reminds me of when Ben was near death and his father blamed himself, even though he was a toolbag.

@saffreyblue perhaps you are right - it's when Jack and Hurley are in the lighthouse - perhaps it's just what Locke believed, but I thought they stated it as fact - if it's Locke Theory that their life choices changed after being touched by Jacob, it still doesn't hold - either way it doesn't work, but i may have to retract my problem with that particular statement and jump on the bandwagon - my point was if Jacob hadn't interfered and made the Losties candidates the plane would never have crashed, so it's a chicken or egg thing, right?

Sorry Suede66, but jaytch and Saffreyblue are correct. The pop up stated this is what would have happened if flight 815 didnt crash. The 2nd week in a row they made the same statement.

I dont buy that Jin attacked Omar, I believe it was Keamy and his goons who did it. Why would Jin do some dirty work for them and their business? I think Jin is there for a different reason and guessing the missing money is why he is tied up and beaten.

Also dont believe Jacob did anything to the spring to make it work again. I got the feeling he was bummed out about his death and the ramifications of it. Dogen is dead, Lennon is dead... dead is dead.

@Dee, I'm still hearing that song in my head too! Trying so hard to get it OUT!!!

@Betheaux - let's go back further with Sayid - when he was a kid (maybe even an animal died...) I'm not talking Republican Guard time - it's the back-backstory.

@Kruxoli...I'll have to re-watch the banter between Dogen and Sayid about his son. Dogen never says his son was dead when Jacob offered to save him, just the deal he was offered in order to do so. I could be wrong, but Dogen left the end of his story up to us to decide.

...And, not ripping on Daniel. Just don't believe he's putting much into this blog anymore.

@fanolost...Well, unless Sayid had to swear off chicken (The one thing he EVER wanted!) after he snapped its' neck...I'm sticking with the human variety. ;-)

Well we did see Sayid kill a chicken when he was a little boy in He's Our You. Maybe that could be it... ;)

Personally, I believe Jacob was more involved than just one touch to them once in their life. I think the touch was more along the lines of making them official candidates.

I believe he set their fates in motion long ago, set them on a path to be on flight 815 on 9.22.2004 to land on the island. That is why they all ended up on the same flight in both timelines, despite them living very different lives in some cases.

As Flocke alluded to when speaking to Sawyer... Every decision you thought you made, you really didnt. It was Jacob nudging them along, guiding them thru points in their lives.

I still believe the split in timelines happened in 1977. In the original timeline Jacob guided them the whole time. In the LAX version, his influence stopped in 1977 and some of them made different choices leading to different results.

@ Betheaux:

I may be wrong on what Dogen said...

In re: Daniel bashing...that wasn't directed @ anyone in particular, it's just that it's getting old...everyone views the eps differently...personally, I don't agree at all with Daniel's grade, but that's a matter of opinion, so I keep that to myself. Again, I wasn't directing anything at anyone in particular, or trying to make anyone feel bad or anything...sorry if I came across that way...not intended.

@ Betheaux

You are correct. Dogen never said his son died, he trailed off when he said 'My son' and then he mentioned the hospital where Jacob came to him. we are to assume that Jacob saved his son's life in exchange for Dogen's service to the Island.

For those of you wondering about Ilana - if you read the spoilers, you would know if she has any relation to Jacob and why she knows so much.

@Kruxoli...No problem at all! It was my one time complaint about the blog...won't happen again, I got my point across, even if he never sees it. ;-)

@ Betheaux:

Guess I was wrong about Dogen...

Everything that Danielle commented with above - DITTO!! This episode was awesome and I am enjoying the story unfold. I also think it is only fair that we state our opinion regarding this blog and critize Daniel obvious dislike for the his once favorite show and blog.

@ Beatheaux:

HAHAHA...I wonder if Daniel ever reads any of our comments at all...

@Anonymous...BUT, BUT, I don't wanna read the spoilers, I want to speculate endlessly using flawed logic and impossible theorizations. Waaaaah!

@Kruxoli...Probably as likely as Perez Hilton reading my comments on his page. I've left a few zingers there, but who hasn't?

I am guessing a lot of people are afraid to say anything bad about Daniel's blog for fear he will stop posting them and they will lose a place to communicate with other LOST addicts.

That being said, we also owe it to him as fans of his blog to let him know that he is letting us down. I have been reading this blog for three years now. I was (and am still) always excited to hear his take on stuff and read everyone's opinions. However, lately I also feel that Daniel has become pretty hypercritical of the episodes. I too think that he may not be liking the direction LOST is taking. Be that as it may, that is his opinion and this is his blog. If he doesn't like LOST anymore then he certainly can act accordingly. I just wish he would come out and say it instead of pretending he is still into it. Maybe he's hoping he will like it again before the end?

@I'm Just Sayin'...I agree with you on all points. It's one of those things that is a time waster to ponder too long about. For me, this blog is 10% Daniel's 2 cents, 90% banter with my Lostie blog friends. :-) Daniel should get in on the action if he wants to contribute. At this point, any of us could be saying what he is saying.

@ Betheaux:

I agree, I come here to go back and forth with people, not to read Daniel's recaps...I don't mind people voicing their opinions, but I don't like when they turn into attacks...

Betheaux- I couldn't agree more!

I really wish he had the same love he used to have for this blog. Like you said, it really seems like he's going through the motions at this point. I think he just does it because it posts on TMZ. I mean, where are the theories? Where are the funny quips? What happened???

suede66. "For example in last night's episode it states as fact that the flash sideways shows what would have happened if Jacob had not manipulated the five candidates after touching them. It's not valid with Sayid - we only see Jacob meet and touch Sayid after he reunites with Nadia after being saved from the island and is in LA as an Oceanic 6. So how could his flash sideways life be so different when it wasn't supposed to have been effected until after the original crash"

In response to this (as part of my theory) I have to reference 'The Substitute' episode, as best as I can. F-Locke states that Jacob has been manipulating the Losties their whole lives, which we can see as well in the Lighthouse episode. Everyone is focusing on when Jacob touched each character, when Locke pretty much suggests that he's been manipulating them their entire lives, unbeknownst to them. Those scenes might just have only been the physical interaction that Jacob had with the losties, when his manipulation could have started god-knows-when. So for that reason, Jacob didnt just start to interfere with Sayid when Nadia was killed, I think he'd been around WAY before that.

Personally, who gives two rips what Daniel grades an episode? Does it really matter?

Myself, I read his comments, enjoy some one liners now and then, and then move on to posting here. I hardly ever agree with the grades and probably never will, as my grading criteria is quite different. But it is his opinion, let him be.

I will let everyone in on a little secret... I enjoy the comments below much more the blog. :)

@Anonymous (go figure) leave the *bleeping* spoilers out of here. If that is all you can contribute, better off elsewhere.

@Kitz... [clapping] Bravo! I am with you on Jacob being there long before the actual touch. (see my 12:20 post)

@ Mr. F.:

I agree 100%

Mr. F - I just noticed your post after I posted mine :) Glad someone is on the same page as me!

And I still agree with everyone else. I come here for the comments now. I miss when Daniel's posts were funny :(...

Great job, Daniel! This is your blog and you don't owe anybody anything. I personally would rather see this last season of lost answering all the unanswered questions of past seasons instead of opening new ones and think the sideways timeline is pretty lame. It did look like Claire was finally going to get rid of Kate, and that was awesome!! Everything else though, kind of boring in my opinion.

Seriously, how could Daniel NOT comment on the (what I thought was) HILARIOUS scene when Ben comes to try and "rescue" Sayid??? I was cracking up when that happened! Ben's eyes got all wide, he slowly backed away, and then he bolted as fast as he could! Of all people I thought Daniel would've appreciated that scene!!!

@ I'm Just Sayin':

That was my favorite scene...Ben's face was PRICELESS!

@ Mr. F

You are correct about Daniel's grading system.

Who cares???

Ben is crumbling before our eyes..........

All of you take this blog and show way too seriously. I truly enjoy the show and love reading Daniels blog, but some of you need to get a life.

@ bb

Ben is SOOOO crumbling before our eyes and I don't like it!

I think Ben might be a little crumbly, but in the end, he'll win it all, or at least get it back together... he's Ben after all. :)

I really hope so, I have been such a Ben Fan since he first appeared!!!

thank you LSK! Where are the Wagoneers when they're needed... Tootsie????

Ben is definitely shaken, but I don't think he's down and out... I cannot wait to see him as History prof. - love to know how he revamps history!

Ok...didn't Ben go to the Temple to be judged by smokie...so how is it that smokie was allowed in the temple then/lived there?

@Jen, Ben got judged under the fence/wall surrounding the temple, not in the temple itself. I had the same thought as you earlier.

But as shown in last nights episode, Flocke was inside the fence last night looking across the water at the temple. So it would stand to reason that the temple fence was not off limits or protected, just the temple itself.

Interesting to note that it was Dogen who protected the temple folk, not Jacob. Not sure what that means yet...

And I dont see Ben crumbling, I see a man contemplating his next move. I think he is pissed at being manipulated by Flocke. Think he is in sponge mode, just soaking it all in right now while scheming up his next evil plan.. Muhahahaha !

@margaret re: screen shot of Smokey passing over the pit.

I've been looking for a screen capture but my efforts have been unproductive so far. When I first saw it, I thought it was just people Smokey had picked up along the way.

BEN started crumbling when he realized that JACOB had only used him (of course the LOCKE-NESS planted this seed.)

BEN was, however, used by JACOB --- and that hurt BEN's confidence.

The name "Sundown" should have been saved for a Sun episode. Poorly played, LOST writers!!

ok stupid question but....
What happened to the rest of the plane crash survivors?
both the originals, and the plane that brought the ocianic 6 back?

Random memory:

Does anyone remember when smokie/MIB took the form of alex and told Ben not to kill Locke?? Why would he want Locke alive if he was a candidate?

I'm getting very hazy as to who is on what side in this mess!

Yeah, I thought this would be an episode about Sun, since the name was Sundown... oh well. They fooled me I guess.

I think the other survivors died. For 815 a lot were picked off when Keamy raided the Barracks, and then a lot more picked off when they got attacked at the beach with the flaming arrows. Or maybe they died during the flashes.

Not sure about 316, though.

Hey it just occurred to me what's happened to Charles Widmore as the bad guy?

@ lovesteamykeamy

I am so sorry for your loss.....AGAIN!

I think most of the Ajira survivors died at the hands of Smokie...

An earlier post said that Maggie Grace is now going to come back as SHANNON later in the season ---- I could not care less about that.

Maggie was so arrogant about coming back; like her career is so much better now than any other actors on the show.

Don't forget where you got your big break, Maggie.......

@ BB: in re: Shannon

Arrogant, maybe...hot...CERTAINLY.

I seem to remember the original 815 leftover survivors died at the hands of the freighters? No?
I have a question...about how many days have ellapsed since 316 crashed? Has it been a day or two? A week-ish?

@kruxoli - how many Ajira survivors are on the island? Did they all come over from Hydra?

Do you think Ilana brought them all into the thick of Smokie gone wild? I bet they're still out there, lurking like Others.

@bb- she who shall not be named is a bit, pppffftt, as far as guest appearance. May she appear, and, um, die faster than she did originally. (Actually though, she's been popping up in older Lifetime-type movies, so in a sense, she had a career - just not glam... )

@ Fanolost:

Honestly, I don't know how many survivors there were. Most of them seemed to be with Ilana and Bram...the rest of the people on the beach were with Richard, no? That leaves Ben, LawnMower Man, Sun, Ilana. Bram is dead, so is Caesar. The rest of Bram's crew is also dead. Jack, Hurley, and Kate also survived (but they flashed from the plane to the past, so do they count?)...anyone else... I'm not sure if I'm forgetting anyone?

Good thing Sayid didn't see Ilana last night. She would have been swimming with Dogen and friend. But it makes you wonder how she'll react to seeing him? He did just disappear on that flight. And even though she brought him on the flight at Jacob's request, I don't think she thought he'd go to 1977.

I LIKED SHANNON! :p

@Kruxoli...I think Richard is on his own for the time being.

Just re- watched the episode, the writers now owe me 2 hours of my life back.... Total F grade from me. To much packed into 5 minutes for me to give them any props....
The Sayid flash sideways makes me think that the whole flash sideways is getting stupid. I remain optimistic because this series as a whole is so good. This episode to me is simpatico with JarJar Binks.....

They now have 10 episodes (12 really) to resolve a lot of info, the only way I can see it working right is to kill off some more people so the centric episodes only focus on who is left. It felt like Amazing Race (which is soooo stupid) the way each team showed up in a 5 minute span....

My fingers are crossed and this show better get moving and shaking or else I will have to put Mad men and 24 back at the top of my list.....

Cmon hatters tell me why it deserves an A+

Also regarding Keamy Ridiculously terrible acting how he tried to be serious and fight his permajokersmile....

I like the theory that the "alternate timeline" is a timeline that the Losties will get to go back to if they successfully complete the tasks that MIB gives them. Claire would get to raise her son (MIB promised her she would get Aaron back), Sayid would have Nadia in his life as a sister-in-law (MIB told him he would see her again-although I realize she was not mentioned by name). It seems that both Jacob and MIB have the power to make such things happen (Jacob also promised Dogen that his son would be ok if he came to work on the island). Maybe the difference between Jacob and MIB is this- whereas Jacob requires that people remain on the island in order for their loved one's fate to be altered, MIB actually offers people the opportunity to GO BACK and be a part of the new life. Looking at the show from a religious perspective, maybe this is the "forbidden fruit/forbidden knowledge"-Jacob doesn't want people to know that they could go back; they should have to stay on the island and pay for their sins. But MIB is willing to offer everyone a second chance.

Re Grading System - We won't be able to grade any episode until it's all over and we realize how much was set up or revealed by the episode

@kitz - Re: The Substitute saying they had been manipulating them their whole lives, that was to sawyer who said Jacob had been manipulating him his whole life and probably came to him when he was young and vulnerable.

I am just trying to quote the pop up during the lighthouse scene - Locke claimed that Jacob had been manipulating the candidates lives since he touched them - I am saying I don't agree with it and I don't like the pop up because it's not accurate or consistent, but I am presuming the writers / producers are somewhat reading the pop-ups before they go out - I understand they say the sideways is what would have happened if the plane never landed, but is that mutually exclusive of if Jacob had never manipulated their lives the plane would never have crashed? Am I making any sense or am I only one who understands my train of thought

@ardentdweller - great theory - I like it

(continued)
...provided they do something for him first. It kind of gives new meaning to Flocke's conversation with Richard ("i want you to come with me" and "not everyone gets a second chance"). Making a deal with Flocke is like making a deal with the devil :)

@suede66-
Thanks!

Dogan told Sayid that everyone has two sides - a good and bad side. The "machine" measures this scale. Sayid's was tipped the wrong way. That's why it would be best if he were dead. Miles said that Sayid had been dead for 2 hours and the Temple others did not bring him back. Was that the death of the "good" side of Sayid?

@ Fanolost:

I forgot Sayid was on the Ajira flight...So, Jack, Hurley, Sayid and Kate flashed back to 1977. Sun, Ben, LawnMower Man, Dead Locke, Ilana, Bram (plus they're crew of people), and Caesar survived the crash. Caesar, Bram, and his crew are dead...

@ Betheaux:

I wonder where Richard is now...

really "thomas"?? the writers owe you two hours when the show was just one freakin hour long? (less if you don't count commercials) Or let me guess, since you probably though LAST week's episode was so horrible, you watched it over again, right? I realize some of you people on there are trying to antagonize the true lost fans by saying "worst episode ever" every.....single....week! here's me taking your bait and hoping now that you have a reaction you'll just leave and let those of us that enjoyed it, talk about it.

@takingthebait

take a chill pill, its all in jest. does F+ make it better.

2hrs cause I rewatched it, and your right I dvrd it so it was less time. I am just interested in the relationships between the characters and what truth behind all that is (coincidence or design?? thats my big ?)

I'm just one of those people you know a contrarian... for example I have never seen Titanic and refuse to see Avatar....

ps Claire is Penny's mother and I'm sticking with it and watching the show with that as my theory.....

I don't underestimate my losties one bit. they don't have a clue what's going on and i don't think they have yet to choose sides, except maybe claire. The others are notoriously people that are out for themselves, except Jack and Hurley, which is probably why Jacob got them the heck out of there.

I haven't seen all the posts yet but has anyone asked the question "WHERE IS SUN IN THE SIDEWAYS FLASH??"

Also, i too thought first of lovesteamykeamy when i saw him, and even cheered for you a bit.

I've been coming to this blog from the beginning (using many names) first at TMZ and then when Daniel brought it over here full time. You all quit hating on Daniel. He's done a great job posting here for the last 5 years. I've enjoyed his commentary even though sometimes I did not agree with it. He gives you a forum to discuss and debate LOST. Now that said, OMG I thought this was a great episode. I love LOST and of course I want questions answered. It's not going to happen. So like someone said earlier... just enjoy the ride.

@M_Lost

I like this blog a lot and all yall on here. We all have our own theories and views its great that Dan runs such a good blog about Lost. Hope you weren't mis reading my dislike for this 1 episode (I am allowed to not like 1 episode right??) as dislike for this blog or people on it....

IMO This is the only lost blog, Doc Jensen's is too full of spoilers and insider info... I like to as you said "enjoy the ride"

@ Thomas:

Claire is Penny's mom? How? Please explain...!?

@thomas

Not at all. Everyone has their own opinions and they can express their likes or dislikes, theories, episode grades, etc. here BECAUSE Daniel provides them this forum. I just get tired of people hating on Daniel. If he still didn't love LOST this blog could have gone by the wayside a long time ago. Everyone lighten up and just enjoy each others comments.

Just a quick note...I haven't read all the posts yet but I wanted to go ahead and throw this out there...Did anyone notice thhe little boy in Flocke's group at the very end? The one with the dark hair. There were two shots of him. He only looked like he was about five years old! Where in the world did he come from? The Ajira flight maybe??...Also, cut D some slack. He doesn't have to do this post, you know. And if he stopped it, then y'all would be complaining that he wasn't doing it. So my advice (for what it's worth) is if you don't like it, don't read it

Is it ashes or is it a stick with something pouring out of it. You be the judge... What is with the riptide ?

http://z.about.com/d/lost/1/0/Z/2/0/-/Jacob.jpg

I HATE the flash sideways! I give the last 2 weeks of those a definite F-. However I thought the on island story was awesome and action packed even if we didn't learn a lot. You mentioned rewatchability....I record the show every week and usually watch it at least one more time. I noticed I have been fast-forwarding through the flash sideways. I had to sit through them once and don't want to do it again!

Hey...give Daniel some slack. Maybe he has hooked up with that girl he met at the bar. It could be love... Who has time to analyze TV when they are smitten. LOL !

The expression on Locke's face was very intense when he saw Kate. Do you think that he will be using Kate as bait to lure Sawyer or Jack to join his Army of Darkness ?

I want to know where Sawyer and Jin are??? I think Kate didn't choose sides because she has no idea what is going on. She was just following Sayid and Claire because she knows them. Flocke looked confused when he saw her, but didn't seem to mind she was there.

Sayid just cannot catch a break. In both timelines he is the reluctant assassin. Even Omar, his brother, wants to pull him back into a life of crime, just when he is trying to straighten out his life.

The kung fu fight between Sayid and Dogen was the best. Even better than the fisticuffs between Jack and Sawyer.

I don't know, but aren't Sawyer and Jin with FLocke? Before he sent Claire into the Temple, she said something like "Why don't you send Sawyer or Jin..."

Am I mistaken...? I often am.

Does anybody remember from the first season just what grabbed the pilot out of the cockpit(the front end of the plane that was in a tree)? I don't remember black smoke but it did seem monstrous. Another unexplained mystery?

@ sk Just wastched Totally Lost for the Lighthouse epi and it looks to me that Jacob was sprinkling something into the water, not stirring it. Also agree that was some fancy footwork fighting.

In the preview...Was Ben digging a grave OR was he digging up a grave. Looked like he was near the beach, at the survivors' grave site.

was it just me? or when nadia and sayid were talking in the kitchen after the broken vase incident, was that a pictue of walt on the wall behind her?!?!

Just a thought... With everything that we know about Ben, who in the Last Supper picture is Judas ?

also flocke has had contact with jin is he "evil" now?

Anyone else think it's weird that there was no blood on the knife that Sayid stabbed Flocke with?

Leigh: I remember being puzzled by the lack of blood too.

Here is what I found on the "Lost Supper" picture:

Sayid (Naveen Andrews) is the fourth figure from the left — the position in which Judas Iscariot was seated in Leonardo’s painting. Does this mean he will eventually betray Locke or the rest of the castaways? Is this in any way connected to his apparently failed attempt to kill Ben last season?

@Karen, I want Desmnd too! Mainly because like Daniel and Sayid, I want answers!
I love, love, love crazy Claire. She's super spooky. Of course I was thinking Dear Lord, don't let them kill Sayid! I too love kickass Sayid, but how poignant and touching was it when he told his brother, "I'm sorry, I'm not that man anymore". And when he did exactly what Nadia wanted him to do in going to the house to comfort the children. *sigh* Such a different Sayid than the one we've grown to know and love- torture first ask questions later, killer for hire Sayid.
This ep left me as confused as ever. I give it a B. I thought we would get alot more answers. I'm still not convinced that Jacob is the good guy, especiall given the crappy deal that we know know Dogen had to make. So many unanswered questions, and so many losties we have yet to see....Michael, Des, Libby....
And given that Miles and Hurley both have the ability to communicate with dead people....Can Miles hear Jacob? Why haven't we seen any interaction between Miles and Jacob thus far?
@bb, I agree. I much prefer ballsy smart-assed Ben to the scared, uncertain Ben we're getting now. And if I don't find out why Walt was "special", I'm gonna feel totally cheated. I'm hoping we get to see Walt soon in a flash sideways. And get some answers.

I've felt for a long time this is going to come down to biblical meanings, Jacob had a twin brother Esau (Flocke) Who was a hunter and he tried many times to kill Jacob (described in the bible as a gentle soul) over birthrights. Jacob divided his land (island in this case) among his children. Jacobs wife dies giving birth to his youngest son Benjamin (just like Ben) .When Jacob died he was buried in the Cave of Machpelah (cave)

In summary I think the island is Zion , I think Jacob had taken the "chosen" islanders as his children, I believe this also because they all seem to have issues with their fathers. I beleive this is a never ending fight between brothers Jacob an Esau.

This is just my theory trying to put the puzzle together but in no way feel I have this figured out!

i thought it odd that when claire appeared in the temple to talk to Dogen regarding NonLocke's message, Sayid just watched her walk by. he didn't make any attempt to say,"hi" or anything after not having seen her in 3 years. He let them take her off to the hole without a second glance/thought. When Dogen asked/gave Sayid a redeeming chance if he'd kill nonlocke, sayid didn't even say anything, like "can i see claire first"

i didn't realize my comment would receive so much backlash. i don't really care if daniel sees it or not since it wasn't meant to be insulting just a review of the current grading system and commentary of lost in general. i will continue to read what he writes because i enjoy it and i love lost. i just don't want to read continuous bashing of a great show.

@ I_Heart_Sayid

..."crappy deal Jacob gave Dogen." Maybe it wasn't a crappy deal. Jacob offered Dogen redemption. Redemption requires sacrifice. You give something, you get something back. His servitude in exchange for his son's well being. (scales) MIB offers Sayid anything he wants, anything in the entire world...
Sometimes the choses given can tell you a lot about who's offering them.

i meant choices..

@Walt...Do you remember when Dogen said to Sayid, " I know what kind of man you are ", Sayid replied, " I'm not that man any more. "

You might be on to something. Redemption does require sacrifice.

@sk

I was looking for a transcript for that whole scene. Funny that Sayid replied "I'm not that man any more." Didn't he say something really similar to his brother?

sorry that anon was me

@Walt...Yes, I believe he did, when Omar asked Sayid to do his dirty work for him.

And what is with the knife, with the magical powers, that Dogen asked Sayid to kill Lockeness with. Sort of like Excalibur. Was there any engraved words on the handle ?

I would have been floored if a puff of black smoke discharged from the wound of Lockeness. LOL!!!

@ sk
I was looking for a screen cap of the knife. It probably does have engravings. Those clever writers. I like the idea of an Excalibur-like angle to the knife.

I really enjoyed this episode..... more than others who have posted.

Clearly, the episode has created a LOT of comments, so something must have ben good about it!

It is definitely time for DESMOND to return.......

Loved this episode. Still would have loved it even if Keamy had not been in it. To me it was pretty good. Especially the last bit.

And seeing Keamy cheered me up from my sleep-deprived really bad month I've been having all the time recently, so the writers have my appreciation there, even though they did kill him right after.

Now we need Desmond to return and let's see that Richard episode! ;)

Was thinking, anyone remember in Season 1 when Walt is throwing around a baseball, and when asked where it came from he says he found it in the jungle? I know Dogen explained that he picked his son up from baseball and all that, but what are the chances that this baseball is the same one Walt had. He was kidnapped by the Others, and we don't know how long Dogen has been at the temple and now may never know.

Anyone know what Jin was saying to Sayid in the freezer?

Posted by: Gromit

Jin said in Korean, "Please don't kill me."

Don't you recognize that it's correct time to receive the loan, which will realize your dreams.

Above, what the heck are you talking about. Get LOST.

Notice how Flocke is slowly picking off the candidates, by seducing them in different ways. Sawyer is bitter and confused, Sayid has gone Darth Vader, Kate's not a real option so he leaves her be, for Claire to deal with, Jin can go either way, depending on how things end up with his wife, The final battle will be between Jack and Flocke, though I also have the sense that Hugo will be the biggest winner (no pun intended) or the greatest tragedy if he dies.

@ardendweller - you'd have to believe Flocke (who is a killer extroadinaire and master manipulator) will keep to his word. Not so sure at this time.

What I used to think was cool about not having sides (except for individuals...) in LOST - is now beginning to well up as there are no redeeming characters ... at least not yet...

I thought the lack of blood on the knife (Sayid into Flocke) is because Flocke isn't a person/that's not Locke's body - ergo, why would there be blood?

@yoga53 - I think it was Smokie that took Pilot #1. That's why some here are thinking (I'm one of these thinkers) Lapidus is far more important than anyone has given him credit for...

A lot of people are referring to the bible and saying that sayid is playing the role of judas and is going to betray locke. Well how is that going to happen. He already tried to kill him. Obviousy Locke has some sort of cryptonite and apparently its not a knife to the chest

@ Boundsoul

Nice "catch" (pun intended) about Walt and finding the baseball in the jungle.

I think, eventually, we will see ALL the children playing a role on this this all sorts it self out ---- including AARON, JI YION, DAVID, CLEMENTINE, DOGAN'S SON, etc.

thank you bb! That's what I've been saying.... yea yea yea...

What about Claire going into the temple to get her baby,(Locke promises her she will get Aaron) and Lockeness saying he always keeps his word, and then they all walk off at the end without Claire saying anything about not having her baby. The whole point of her doing the dirty work was to get Aaron, wasn't it?

@ Sandra

I think that CLAIRE knows that KATE had AARON, and still believes the LOCKE-NESS that he will get AARON back to her.

Since she is in her "zombie" status, I think she will just continue to blindly follow the LOCKE-NESS.

She trusts her "friend".

Probably right bb, Was Claire being in the Temple, what allowed Locke/Moster toget in, he has to have a vessel to travel through?

@ bb, Sounds right, Was Claire being in the Temple, what allowed Locke/Moster to get in, he has to have a vessel to travel through? ANd the sickness/infection means Monster uses you physically (like a temporary posession)at some time and you channel him?

I am thinking my Djinn theory is starting to pick up some steam...

SAYID: I would tell you that the only thing I ever wanted, died in my arms, and I'll never see it again.

LOCKE: What if you could?

Is FLocke granting wishes? He gave Sawyer answers as to why he was brought to the island. And asked James if he wanted to leave the island. Sawyer has tried repeatedly to leave... the raft (blown up), the chopper (out of gas) and the sub (turned around). Hmmmm

Claire wants Aaron back, and FLocke is using that to manipulate Claire. Making her think the temple folk have him for some reason. Did FLocke promise to help her find Aaron?

Now Sayid, "what if you could?" What if Sayid, the love of your life, the only thing he ever claimed to have loved could be reunited? How could he say no? The big question should be... at what cost? What do you have to give up or do in order to get your wish fulfilled?

All along we have heard about how special the island is. Not to mention Ben's example of a magic box. Could even explain Locke's ability to suddenly walk again on the island.

I wonder what would happen if someone was selfless enough to avoid the trap of being selfish and wishing something for themselves. Maybe someone who has a life desire to "fix things"....hmmmm.

@sandra - I think that Dogen was somehow keeping FLocke out - that's what Lennon said and FLocke sent Sayid in to kill Dogen - I think he even told him to kill them in the Spring room

I think Jin and Sawyer are Flockies (at least Flocke thinks so) - when Claire said why not send Sawyer or Jin, she knows he's 'converted' Jin and Sawyer - Sawyer wasn't with him when he came to Claire's at least we didn't see him. Jin is showing he can lie/pretend to be with Claire, so maybe he is lying to FLocke too.

As far as the Biblical nature of Esau and Jacob - how did that resolve itself in the Bible?

@Mr. F., that Djinn theory is sounding pretty good right now. He did seem to talk a lot that way when he was "converting" people...

Ok - not being a biblical scholar, or much of a Bible reader actually (sorry mom) - I just did some research on Jacob v. Esau - twin brothers. Jacob was quiet and Esau was the hunter and lived outdoors. Esau struck a tough bargain with Esau (the eldest of twins) - Esau was hungry one day and came home after unsuccessful hunt - Jacob offered him a bargain - Lentil soup for your birthright of double inheritance for food - Esau was starving and took it. The message is a negative one of not sacrificing Godliness (God given birthright) for pleasures of the moment / flesh

Later when their father (Isaac) died, Jacob and their mother (Rebekkah) conspired to fool Isaac into giving Esau's the birthright. God favored Jacob and re-named him Israel. Esau and his descendants / followers (the Edomites) were not favored and in fact helped the Israelites enemies attack Israel.

In the Bible the Lord states 'Yet I have loved Jacob, but Esau I have hated, and I have turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the desert jackals.’” Malachi 1:2-3

In the end (Genesis 33), Jacob and Esau reconciled... reconciliation on the horizon?

I have to say, it all fits as it says in the bible Ecl: 9 What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.

Ok, done philosophizing - who else thinks Kate is wearing a different bra than in the earlier episodes this season...

@suede66 - I thought Kate's whole appearance was different! how funny! But yes, here chest area had me pondering 'what is with her body?'

@kruxoli - I just watched the Sayid / Dogen scene re: Dogen's son - he never said his son died, in fact, he says "...I survived. But my son..." he just trails off there. Then he says Jacob said he could save his son's life, not bring him back to life... so the son never died

Locke was Flocke when Ben had the encounter with his daughter, who was Smokie, so Smokie was protecting himself, but as we know Smokie doesn't seem capable of dying - at least that's what we know now. There's gotta be a way - Because I think the showdown is going to be between Jack (good) and Sayid (bad). Maybe they will end it with the two of the them on the beach, and Sayid says "Do you know how badly I want to kill you" and Jack will say "Yes". A bit far fetch -

Mr. F. I thought about the djinn theory too when UnLocke started to promise anything....Why didn't he promise the same thing to Sawyer? He probably would have done anything to get Juliet back.
@fanolost - I think Kate's hair is a little shorter and it emphasizes the boobage.

This was a great episode in my books,Sayid n Locke did a pretty good job especialy with facial expressions.

Am i the only one that thinks that DOGEN will resurrect, considering Jacob put something in the water in the previous episode?

Kate is looking less n less like a main charachter ,she should be killed off imo :P

Must... not... get... distracted... emphasize boobage, different bra, chest area... Kate... Looks like I need a rewatch before I weigh in on this topic. :)

@LostLover, Sawyer and Claire are a bit shakey right now, I need to firm them up. Why would FLocke lie to Claire and tell her Aaron is at the temple? Why not promise Sawyer something to do with Juliet. I dont know...

Is it possible the LAX timeline is FLocke granting wishes? In LAX Claire will now keep Aaron, or so it appears. Sayid is reunited with Nadia, albeit not under the conditions he hoped for. And who knows, maybe Sawyer is on his way to have coffee with Juliet. Just thinking out loud again.

Say it aint so Mo, Kate is still pretty important, in my opinion. FLocke looked quite surprised by her appearance at the end of Sundown. Still holding out hope for her.

Kate is wearing the ultimate sports bra that insures she won't show off more than she needs to when she gets wet.. Minnie Driver looked similar in the movie Hard Rain.. You can tell by the way Kate only has sweat on her shirt in a V on her chest but not anywhere else.... Tricks the actresses use.... IMO Kate would be great for a Blue Lagoon remake haha

Am I insane? Have I gone mad? How has noone mentioned the fact that the Ajira survivors are now in 1977? Is Kate's new push-up bra that distracting?

@ Mr F.: Oh CRAP...you had me on the floor laughing!!! You typed, "...I need to firm them up." just after talking about boobage, chest area:) I think you are beyond distraction, brotha.

For the last time, Jacob DID NOT put anything in the water. He was stirring the water with a crooked stick. I replayed that scene OVER AND OVER in slow motion on the DVR...it definitely would have made a better storyline had he added something, but he didn't :(

On a happier note...WHERE'S MY RICHARD?? I can't believe I have to wait three more weeks to see his story. I feel like one Sayid's torture victims! Where's Flocke? I'm ready to cut a deal ;)

@ Desmond'sLostShepard:

Agree:

WE WANT RICHARD !!!!!

WE WANT DESMOND !!!!

Cut the deal! Cut the deal!

@jaytch, freudian slip :)

I tried to move on to serious LOST talk, guess my mind wasnt ready yet and got stuck on boobies.

@Anon, not sure about mad or insane, but nobody is stuck in 1977 now. Island time is 2007, LAX timeline is 2004.

"Am I insane? Have I gone mad? How has noone mentioned the fact that the Ajira survivors are now in 1977? Is Kate's new push-up bra that distracting?" @10:50 AM

Remember that pivotal episode "The Incident" ?

Although I am not convinced the nuke went off or what it really did to the losties, we do know that between then and LA X episode Jack/Sawyers crew time skipped to the future......

You seem LOST if you didn't pick up on that....

@Desmond'sLostShephard

How are you so sure that he didn't affect the water? maybe the stick was possessed by Jacobs powers because he was holding it, thus he did do something to the water......

I am thinking we haven't really seen Desmond due to his ongoing lawsuit that was filed against him.. It had just recently been settled and his contract renewed so he will be in later episodes. Same for Penny and Charly being in later episodes due to FlashForward filming schedule....

Richard has no excuse, Suddenly Susan was canceled years ago hahaha

@ Mr. F - Why would FLocke lie to Claire and tell her Aaron is at the temple? Why not promise Sawyer something to do with Juliet. I dont know...

Because Flocke is not human, and is out for 'getting home.' He'll do just about anything it seems...

@Thomas - LIAR LIAR PANTELONES ON FIRE.. heheheh - shouldn't Richard be screaming this to Flocke next epi???

@ Mr.F-

yes, that's what I'm beginning to think-the ones that do what Flocke wants them to do will somehow get to join the alternate "new thousand four" timeline. maybe they will even retain some memory of the original timeline (that could explain all of the strange looks they've been giving each other, and also why the heck Claire would trust Kate enough to give her her credit card after Kate pointed a gun in her face!)

@ Mr. F - agreed. Kates Boobs are definitely made for speed

@ Thomas:
I'm sorry. I guess I overlooked the chance that the stick could be "possessed" (I'm rolling my eyes, of course ;)) I'm just saying as someone who also thought that J was pouring something into the water that he was only swirling a stick around. Prob just waiting for Hurley to come in.

@suede66: Maybe she is wearing the new miracle bra from VS. It's awesome! Makes you look like you have stripper boobs! LOL!

@bb: I miss Des also! Can't wait to hear his voice. See ya in another life, Brutha! Ahh...makes my heart happy <3

@Mr. F @Gregg
Corny comment of the day:

We don't know Jacobs past, or MIB Secret, but we know that Kate knows Victoria's Secret......

@ Thomas She can release those doves any time she wants. but seriously, I know a lot of people do not like Kate, but I still think she is going to play a huge role in the end. I've said before I think this will come down to Jack vs Sawyer and Kate will play a major role as to who will win out

PS - your theory on Claire being Penny's mother is whacked out

@Des.L.S., (sorry, lazy day.) Hahahahaha! That might be the issue... that bra does work wonders though. Won't go into them, of course. ;)

@fanolost, sorry my question about Claire was so vague. I understand MiB/Flocke will do just about anything that serves his own purpose. I was trying to dig a little deeper into it... I blame it on the booby talk. :)

Why lie to Claire? Why not tell her, Kate took Aaron off the island. Do you want him back? I can make it happen, follow me and do exactly as I say. Instead he tells her the Temple folk have him. And now she is wandering the woods killing others and setting booby traps. (pun intended).

Flocke seemed to be much more direct with Sawyer and Sayid. Maybe I am reading too much into it, just seemed strange.

@Mr F.-

Flocke used a more straight-forward, logical approach with Sawyer and Sayid because they are both sane and capable of listening to reason. Claire is out of her mind, so I think he probably just told her Aaron was in the temple because that's what she wanted to believe, and she wouldn't have listened to him if he had said anything else.

@ Ardendweller Claire is out of her mind, because she's been infected. Shes not some insane chick who just went off the farm for no reason. Locke knows this, so why would he have to trick her or manipulate her.

"The only thing I ever wanted died in my arms"...

Is anyone else thinking Shannon?

I do not think that LOCKE-NESS actually told CLAIRE that AARON was in the temple---just that he promised that she would get him back... (I may be wrong, but I do not think MiB ever said AARON was in there)

MEN AND THEIR BOOBIES...

OK, so Mr. F - got it...

I'm starting to go with MIB/JACOB being the same - same coin, different sides.

Does anyone else think Dogen/Lennon are gonna rise again - on Flocke's behalf...

I'm still sticking with whatever the losties do in the 'other' timeline - is affecting them on island.

@bb, here is the transcript of the Jin/Claire conversation..

JIN: Claire, how do you know they took him? How can you be so sure?

CLAIRE: How can I be so sure? Well, first my father told me, and then my friend told me, so I'm pretty damn sure.

JIN: Your friend? Who's your friend?

For the record, I believe MiB/Smokie was both her father (Christian) and Flocke (her friend) of course.

@fanolost, put me down for dead is dead. Adios Lennon and Dogen, nice knowing you.

@nikki, both Nadia and Shannon died in his arms. I guess both are to be considered until we know for sure. I would lean towards Nadia since she is in both timelines. But who knows, maybe Uncle Sayid is heading over to see his wife Shannon soon in LAX.

@Mr. F - really? I would think Flocke would want them back - from his dirty pool - they'd be on his side.

And I think they should be. But then, we have yet another question: Sayid is dead, but why isn't he? Claire is dead, but not (because even if she survived the barracks blast - being UNSCATHED is not normal, thus I will say she is the undead - not exactly Rousseau... similar, but not the same).

So they're infected. Fine. Why won't Dogen be?

If they start not being consistent - then that's a problem.

Always more questions...

***SPOILER ALERT*** ***SPOILER ALERT*** ***SPOILER ALERT***

~~~DO NOT READ IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO KNOW~~~

Prepare to be schooled by European-history teacher Ben in next week’s “Dr. Linus.” Daughter Alex will make a Sideways appearance, while on-island Ben will take a beating. True, that’s a rather common Lost occurrence — but this one comes from somebody grieving a very personal loss.

@fanolost -- I don't believe Dogen comes back as the actor who portrayed him is back in Tokyo and has been for some time. Granted he could have filmed some scenes before he left but I don't think so. We'll see:)

i haven't had chance to read all the posts so forgive me if this is repetitive in any way...

-if Jin (is infected now )and truly on Flocke's side and Sun is on Jacob's... that would be very disturbing to see in a 'showdown'

-since Jacob can not be seen it's logical that Jack will assume leader role on his side - and Locke (flocke) obviously as leader on the other. the losties once already had to choose between following Jack or Locke in order to get off the island. Jack's group were the one's who made it, right? Only Locke himself made it last time?

- i really dislike the idea of losties fighting each other in a 'war'. with all the confrontations that occurred jack/locke sawyer/jack in the end they could never bring themselves to cause another serous physical harm/death when opportunities did arise.

@Desmond'sLostShephard I'm a bit put off by your comment "for the last time...a bit harsh...we like to play nice on the diary. You may disagree, but I reiterate I watched that scene three times too and saw nothing in Jacob's hands when his back is turned and nor when he addresses Hurley. Its a small probably irrelevant point anyway. Anyone see a screen cap for it?

@Gregg- good point

@ wavy-

Jack's group was the only one that was actually trying to get off the island last time; Locke's group separated from Jack because they didn't want to be found by the people on the freighter. But it will be interesting to see what happens this time-it seems like everything is switched around: Flocke will be the one trying to get people off the island, while Jack will be staying behind to "protect" the island. Also, this time Hurley is with Jack, whereas last time he was with Locke.

that last one was me

This final season so far has been complete and utter crap. The Lost that I know and love is gone.

@Kitty, as much as I wanted/expected this season to be a good one riddled with answers to questions we've all been asking over the years, I can't disagree with you. I keep expecting each episode to get better. I know, I know, it's just a TV show. But the shows on this season need to improve considerably before I consider buying the series on Blu-ray this Fall. So far, I'd say negatory!

@ardendweller
thanks! i forgot locke's group was avoiding freighter crew. things do seem to be flipped around but after the last episode with sayid i'm not 100% convinced of that either

on another note...i think that if jack has a son in the flash sideways he must also have that son in the 'regular' (whatever that is :) timeline too - but just never was informed. i think it was last season jack and christian were on a beach somewhere (in a flashback) having a strange conversation about being a dad. i remember thinking it was a weird scene that didn't quite fit and somehow christian was aware of jack possibly already being a dad, but jack wasn't...who knows

@ wavy

is it the mobisode with Jack and Christian "The Watch" you're thinking of? Christian says to Jack, "If you ever become a father, try to treat him better than I treated you." (paraphrasing)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g6gysRosl8

sorry anon was me

@ bb, wasn't there a scene where Jin said he saw Aaron at the temple (after he said he lied to the guy who got axed by Claire)so wouldn't that lead Claire to think Aaron is in the temple so she would be more willing to go in? And then to just leave with the group with no questions about Aaron?? Then to have Kate tell her Aaron is off island and Claire replies that he is not the one who needs protecting. Just seems something is left out or Claire is easily distracted.

I was wrong, didn't say protecting, Claire said rescuing. "I'm not the one who needs rescuing" when Kate said she is there to rescue her.

I am just so LOST......

Daniel- I SO enjoy reading your blog. I am always laughing out loud! I just love your analogies . . . The most shocking rose ceremony ever, The Panic Room, the well from Silence of the Lambs, etc. I totally agree with your assessment about how the Season is going so far. I can't believe we only have 12 episodes left and ZERO answers! I also agree with what you said about Miles. I have been saying that all season as well. He could be such a cool character, if they would just give him a purpose and some lines! I will watch until the end, but for the first time in I don't even know how long, I went to bed and let my DVR record Lost because I felt like I could wait until the next day to see what happened, and I was right! It wasn't a must watch LIVE episode.

@ LostLover:

Sometimes it is hard to read something in a post because it can be taken out of context. When I used the phrase "For the last time," I just meant that the topic was becoming a little over analyzed. I watched that scene several times, enough to confidently post that Jacob was merely just swirling a stick in the pool. At this point, it's just silly to keep explaining that, so I will leave it alone. I know what I saw...I apologize if I offended you by my comment, I didn't mean to sound harsh. But i don't think the question was "if" Jacob had anything in his hand. I believe the question was "what" Jacob had in his hand. And you are correct in that there was not a scene with him holding anything when he was talking to Hurley. The camera never lowered for us to see his hands. The moment in question was when Hurley first walked in and saw him, where he was kneeling by the pool....and when you say "we like to play nice," are you also referring to all the people who were bashing Daniel earlier because they disagreed with his recap? Because I would say those people were most definitely a bit harsh. Again, sorry if you took offense to anything I have said...

why do i feel the blog is imitating Lost...who's good, who's bad...let's have fun! and I truly don't understand why people bash daniel on this site - it's HIS blog. just don't read it if you don't like it. and if you see smokie, don't let him talk to you. you may end up writing a cranky post.

OMG!!! What is happening here... The Diary is morphing into two sides, just like Lost. I think I need a drink. LOL!!!

@Desmond'sLostShephard...I am sticking with ashes.

@ DLS

I'm with you on what Jacob was doing in the pool. But after another 80 rewatches, i'm now only 80% sure its a stick. I'm thinking 10% now that its something weighted at the end of a string. You can tell what he's holding is a solid, but as it moves it seems to have a little fluidity to it, like something hanging from a string. The other 10% says it could be ashes or Metamucil.

And even if it were ashes or something else being added in, what effect could it possibly have. Jacob at this point, is just a dead person appearing to Hurley. Like all his visions, they're not really there and they don't really effect anything. Think back to Dave running around and losing a slipper that Hurley hides from Libby, not very well at that, and she sees nothing. Same with Sawyer, he saw nothing. Now granted someone will argue that its Jacob so maybe he's different. Thats possible, and I think its interesting that he only appears when Miles isn't around to confirm his dead presence.

And now that I've brought up Jacob. With almost all the Losties, he touched/effected them prior to them originally getting to the island. Except with Hurley and Sayid. He came to them when they were Oceanic 6 and maneuvered them back to the island. I find this interesting. MIB says Jacob's been there the whole time pushing and pulling, but maybe we just haven't seen it.

And last thing, whoever it was that brought up the Jacob v. Esau and the island being Zion. That seems the most logical to me at this point, all the biblical references are there, including Ben's mother dying during childbirth, only difference is that he's not the youngest son of Jacob. But I can't help but think aside from that its spot on, and isn't just a plot device to show why Roger hated Ben and his emotional and sometimes physical abuse is what shaped Ben to be what he is now, when we know it was the temple healing that changed him since Richard said he'd lose his innocence and would never be the same.

Don't forget that any new LOST episodes is way better than no episodes... especially with the enhanced version shown before the new one on Tuesday Nights.

We have got to take it while we can guys. Enjoy the ride. It is already 1/3 through the last season. Time to reflect. Take it all in. Rewatch Sundown. It is really, really tops.

That was me, above.

Did anyone notice that aside from the new temple recruits, and possibly them, that MIB's recruits were in all black except for Claire's button up. I mean Flocke's in black, Sayid's in black, and Claire
s undershirt was black. And then there's Kate...in a gray shirt. So yeah, at this point, I think she's just along for the ride cuz they were the ones walking out alive and not threatening her.

Agreed, sk. Just enjoy what we got left. While not every episode will be a killer, it's better than nothing at all. I haven't minded most of the season so far. :)

Good catch on the black shirts, Boundsoul. And Kate in gray, undecided or something, maybe?

Claire and Kate's singing "Catch a Rising Star" to Aaron is more than a coincidence.

Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket

Never let it fade away

Catch a falling star and put it in your pocket

Save it for a rainy day

...That rainy day is coming...

I hope that Radzinsky shows up in the sideways.

@ sk

I'm not sure I care to see Radzinsky in sideways, but I am interested in seeing how he went from super anal, always irritated Radzinsky to schizo-brains-on-the-ceiling-of-the-swan Radzinsky.

@Boundsoul...If Keamy can go from a rogue mercenary to a gangster doing a monologue about eggs, and I might add a great send up of Christopher Walken, just imagine what awaits us if Radzinsky lands up in the sideways.

Oh man, if Radzinsky ends up in the sideway he'd probably be hilarious to watch!

***ATTENTION BEN WAGONERS*** ***ATTENTION BEN WAGONERS***

According to TV Guide Magazine:

Locke/Ben spin-off in the works? How fun was it to see Locke and Ben working side by side as high school teachers in Lost's flash-sideways on February 16? Well, imagine that as a sort of spin-off series. Terry O'Quinn (Locke) tells me he's shopping a show that would pair him with real-life chum and on-screen foe Michael Emerson (Ben) -- as suburban hit men juggling family issues. Though Terry asked me not to spill specifics, he has spoken with Lost creator J. J. Abrams about it and says, "I really hope this works out because Michael would be in his prime in this. We'd play kind of awkward partners." Adds Michael, "I'm all in favor of it. Any reason to work with Terry again."

@ sk

Well when you put it that way, I'm on board now. Bring back Radzinsky in sideways!

Okay, that would be an awesome tv show, ben and locke reunite!

@fanolost, in regards to Dogen (and Lennon). I dont think they will be coming back as undead soldiers under MiB, I do think they are simply dead. I will try to explain how I came to this conclusion...

HURLEY: Hey, excuse me, I carried that case across the ocean and like, through time, so I wanna know what that paper says.

LENNON: The paper said that if your friend there dies, we're all in a lot of trouble.

I found this line from Lennon very telling. To me, this tells me Jacob knew all along Sayid had been claimed by MiB. That if Sayid were to die, the temple folk and Jacob's followers were in a lot of trouble. And seeing the aftermath of dead bodies in Sundown, guess Jacob was right. I think if Sayid had remained alive, he wouldnt have been so easy to manipulate by MiB.

Jacob didnt want Sayid to die, that was not his intentions nor was it the temple folks intentions. They wanted to heal him, so they did the only thing they could, dunked him in the pool. The problem was, the healing pool they had come to know was no longer working. As shown by Dogen cutting his own hand and dipping it in the pool, coming back out still cut.

I believe it was Jacob who made the pool crystal clear and gave it the magical healing properties. Once Jacob died, the pool died, becoming nothing more than cloudy water. Remember, Dogen and Lennon didnt find out Jacob had died until after drowning Sayid.

Now to the scene that has gotten a lot of attention, Jacob visiting the cloudy pool of water. I dont think he put ash in the water, dont care if he swirled something with a stick, I think it is all irrelevant. The scene to me is Jacob knowing they failed, the pool no longer worked. Just him having a moment of silence to contemplate his next move. Which of course turned out to be, get Jack and Hurley as far away as possible from the temple. He knew it was just a matter of time before MiB came in and cleaned house.

I dont believe MiB needs everyone on his side, as subtracting players from the other team is just as good as adding players to your own. Jacob's team took a big hit losing a key member or two. RIP Dogen and Lennon.

Does anyone else think that when Sayid gunned down Keamy, that he was unconsciously fulfilling Ben's wish to have Keamy killed. After all, Keamy did kill Alex and change the rules, and Sayid did become Ben's personal assassin on the mainland. Ben would be so proud.

@ anonymous:
well said!

@boundsoul:
i see why you say that about the string. i noticed that too. that's why i said that the object i'm not mentioning anymore was crooked, or bent, because it was at an awkward angle. and i don't think it meant anything. i think the enhanced episode would have elaborated on it if it had been important (which is another reason why i don't think he was pouring anything in the pool.) but i was thinking about your metamucil theory and i though of one too: perhaps he cut a deal with harry potter and he slayed voltemorte (sp?) in exchange for harry's magic wand! LOL :) ...
BUT SERIOUSLY i wanted to ask you because you brought up locke's crew in black, did you notice the little boy in the crowd? he only looks like he's about five years old? where did he come from? the ajira flight? but i was under the impression that the others had not made contact with those people because it crashed on the other island, right? it's probably not important, i just thought it was weird that such a young child was there. they showed him twice, almost like they wanted to make sure people saw him...

OOPS! THAT WAS ME @ ANONYMOUS & BOUNDSOUL

@Mr. F - absolutely plausible - but Sayid did die. Or are you saying dead Sayid, not buried, was somehow resurrected post dunking?

See this is where the questions come in... writers have written a lot of angles - and nothing definitive. So did the pool have properties (to you, no - to others, perhaps the cloudiness is how Sayid is 'infected') or did Sayid get 'infected' whilst sitting on the edge of the dead pool? And that begs the question how? Because Flocke cannot get in there yet (except through the water perhaps - but your theory will discount that, right).

This is more about my frustration with writers. I understand not being able to tie up loose ends neatly (and as a writer, I'm not sure that's the best way to write) - but to leave multiple possibilities regarding how the dead are resurrected - or how one gets infected - begs the question: are they doing this on purpose or have they dropped a stitch or two in the weaving of this tale? And then, how can anything be 'sewed up' if they are not being consistent?

@DLS - wouldn't that child be from the Others? The Others that left the Temple pre-smokie death train?

He gave them the opportunity to join - and Temple dwellers did leave - so I think the child would be from the temple-leavers.

I thought that the two kids were the same two that survived the original plane crash in the pilot episode. I remember Ana Lucia trying to calm one of them down because their parents did not make it to shore.

@DLS, I am with sk on this one, I think the kid was 1 of the 2 from the tail section.

@fanolost, yes Sayid did indeed die. And yes he was somehow ressurected post dunking by MiB. Flimsy now, as how does MiB raise him from the dead when he cant enter the temple yet?

Maybe, pure speculation, the infection inside him was only able to take over once he died. His dark side is now in control if that makes sense. Kind of like a rebirth of sorts, Dogen mentioned it would eventually take over Sayid.

JACK: Claimed [long pause] by what?

DOGEN: There is a darkness growing in him and once it reaches his heart, everything your friend once was, will be gone.

I am still trying to grasp this whole infection thing. Who is, who isn't, when do they get "claimed", then do they become infected? Very confusing...

i really feel like we should know more about Richard and the others at this point. Juliet was an other and spent 3 years in a relationship with Sawyer. She knew Richard was "old" and when young Ben was shot, she knew the others could "save" him. Juliet spent 3 years with Sawyer, Miles and Jin in the 70's. I would think they became somewhat bonded with one another after time traveling together.

I'm like Daniel in that I'm starting to get really distracted by all the things that haven't been answered. I mean, I actually enjoy every episode while I'm watching it, but then when I try to string together all the information I get completely hung up on the following:

1. Did Jack have his tattoos in the flash sideways? Were they ever mentioned again after that Thailand episode? Is David's mother the Bai Ling character?

2. I'm confused about the smokie body snatching with Locke. It appears there is both an "alive" version of Locke and a "dead" version of Locke (what we saw in his coffin). However, it seems like there is one Christian (body no longer in coffin), one Claire, one jacob, one Ben's daughter (forgot her name) and the person is either alive (seen by everyone) or dead (seen by only a few at select times).

3. Why did Jack have to put Christian's shoes in with Locke's body when he brought Locke's coffin back on the plane? Or am I remembering that incorrectly?

4. Why wouldn't Kate tell Claire that Aaron is with Claire's mom?

5. Didn't Locke's father come to the island and wasn't he killed by Sawyer? Is that relevant to what is going on right now?

Obviously, everyone has a million questions but I just had to ask these!

I feel a little vindicated. Lostpedia says Jacob is pouring something out of a vial..not stirring with a stick. http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob

is memo414 Desmond'sLostSheperd ?

Many have chatted about JACK's tattoos, but no one has mentioned that JACK had a hairy chest, but no is smooth.

Any story-related reason why?

@ mr. f
that was zack (i think that's his name) and his sister. we saw them with cindy this week also. but the one i'm talking about is a tiny little boy. i guess it doesn't mean anything. it probably just caught my attention because i was still creeped out by that eery version of catch a falling star! now that i've rewatched, he's not the only kid i've never seen before.
i like your theory that jacob knew sayid would go mib if he died and that's why they needed to keep him alive. jacob is some sort of prophet

No, I am just me..I don't have a sideway timeline on this feed. lolol With Sayid being in the Judas position in the Last Supper table, will he truly prove the wonderful person we all know he is, deep down.

I can't remember exactly but didn't the female assasin also die in Sayids arms when they were in that hotel room?

@ memo414:
i read that but it still looks like a stick to me. i guess we will have to agree to disagree :)

@Desmond'sLostShephard

I am with you on the creepiness of Catch a Falling Star and crazy Claire singing it.

Thanks for the reminder of Zack's name, had forgotten it.

@memo414, thanks for the link on the vial. Not sure what it means, but guess I cant dismiss that scene yet until we find out.

Thanks memo414! I thought I saw his fingers moving over the pool.
I'm getting dizzy thinking about this stuff...my nose is going to start bleeding!

There was a write-up on eonline that said that Smokey could not kill candidates or children. Interesting.

@Mr. F

Didn't Dogen ask Jack if it was his fault that Sayid got shot?

I think that the person who burdens the people with something is at fault/and thus the cause/ of the infection ??

It would be Sayid's fault that he shot Ben, or even Sawyer's fault because he couldn't vouch for him when he was captured. It would in my eyes not really be Jack's fault that Sayid was shot, Ben's father did that all his own. And wasn't it Sayid's Idea to walk amongst everyone as the escape plan from Dahrmaville?

Claire does not really fit into this unless you say that it is Ben's fault for not giving himself up that Keamy's team was after them and caused chaos while looking for Ben....

This is all really In my eyes if blame must be placed the fault of two people. Jacob for manipulating people, and Locke for making people follow him. It strikes me as Ironic that a man (John Locke) named after the father of Libertarianism walks two paths one where he tells people "You don't have to follow/listen to him any more" or "So in so is not in charge" yet he also walks a path where he must be followed and listened to. I see this part of Locke to be similar to Jacks story where we have Locke going from weak (in a wheelchair) to powerful (leader of the pack haha) and now we see Jack the guy who has solved all the problems, now having no answers. Jack began questioning what he really knew and could offer when they ended up in 1977, again when Farraday was explaining his theory, and again when Sayid's wound healed, and again when Hurley was convincing him to leave the temple, and again at the Lighthouse....

I think it is not coincidence that we have seen a role reversal with Jack and Locke....

But we all know Jack is coming back for a phenomenal Final Act.....maybe he will even not to be to off color, "Put Locke back in a wheelchair" in this supposed War that is approaching.....

I can't remember exactly but didn't the female assasin also die in Sayids arms when they were in that hotel room?

Maybe Jacob is looking for Jack Bauer to come to the island and take care of Flocke once and for all.

@Memo414

She did die Sayid's arms but Sayid wasn't in love with her; He was on a mission from Ben to kill her employer (I think). I don't think she is relevant except to explain Sayid's story with what he did for Ben.

@Jane

Thanks!.. That makes sense.

I just thought of another person who died but was never buried.... Charlotte ,due to the island moving.

Read this on Dark.. good question. Why could Jacob be killed by Ben but Flocke couldn't be killed by Sayid? Both had experienced the Temple water.

Read this on Dark.. good question. Why could Jacob be killed by Ben but Flocke couldn't be killed by Sayid? Both had experienced the Temple water.

Oops, this was mine.

according to lostpedia: The flash-sideway is a narrative technique employed in Season 6 of Lost, after the Incident caused the divergence of two separate timelines. i'm not buying the jacob touch theory mainly because jacob was killed in 2007, how does that make him have not followed or touched the losties in his life just because he dies at some point? and honestly, what would be the point for the producers showing us what would happen without jacob's intervention? it serves no narrative purpose other than distraction. to me it's far more plausible that the incident/hydrogen bomb caused this sideways timeline. it was set off in the 70's, this could provide a vary valid theory as to why the losties lives are so different in the sideways portion, the detonation of the hydro reset things circa the 70's, so their lives took different courses: locke's dad is obvs not a con-man (or at least didn't con him) which could mean sawyer's mother was never conned, which could mean sawyer grew up to be an entirely different person. (sorry so late posting!)

@ Memo414

I wouldn't quote Lostpedia on the vial, I'm pretty sure they're wrong. Wouldn't be the first time. They said it was a spider on Dead Locke's face on the beach in The Substitute, when it was clearly a small crab. They just write what they see, like we all do. Again, stick/vial, its all a matter of opinion, but I wouldn't quote Lostpedia as fact.

@ DLS

I can't tell if that's Zach. That was my initial thought, but he looks younger like you say. I think he was just already at the temple with the others that chose to leave. The Others have been in the practice of kidnapping children for a while, and for all we know he's just another that was on the tail section.

@Memo414

Maybe the reason why Jacob could be killed is because he was in his original form and that is the loophole that MIB was looking for...I imagine, because MIB, has taken the form of Locke, that he couldn't be killed. Just a guess.

FLocke and Jacob cannot kill one another. Perhaps the loophole is that FLocke was able to convince a candidate to kill Jacob... just thinking out loud...

There is one part about the Flash-Sideways that doesn't add up. When Claire was having her ultrasound it clearly showed it was October and not September, so why the one month delay to time if in fact the H-bomb negated everything post crash...

Any theories??

didnt dogen say that sayid was mostly evil and thats why he needed to be killed after he was drowned in the water? well if dogen is good then when he rises maybe he isnt on flocke's side...maybe thats why sayid drowned him in the pool and maybe thats why he is sitting in the position judas cuz he betrayed flocke by making sure that dogen and lennon come back as super good guys.

@ Thomas
Production error that was confirmed by both Greg Nations and Damon Lindelof
scroll to Bloopers/continuity

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/What_Kate_Does

Jacob did visit Kate. When she was a girl, she shopliftted from a store and Jacob got her out of trouble.

Who is David's mother? Jack met his wife when he was a Dr.
Jack must have had him when he was in college??

@Mr. F 3/4
great theory - LAX timeline is of flocke granting sayid, sawer, etc their wishes....what do you think about the losties who do not want to be on his side (jack, hurley) or do you think eventually they all come to be?
@ walt! thanks for posting "the watch" mobisode...doesn't fit to what i thought...just raises more questions...bet we see that watch turn up somehow!

The two children were Emma and her brother Zack. They are both tail section survivors of Flight 815. On the plane, Cindy the flight attendant, acted as their caretaker. After the crash Saint Cindy continued her caregiving of the kids because she felt responsible for their survival on the island.

anon above is me

@sk - those are def the kids that cindy took care of after the tail section went down - they said that a couple of times since they re-introduced Cindy I think

I know.

Hard to argue with this:

http://io9.com/5485987/5-reasons-losts-parallel-universe-is-a-waste-of-time?skyline=true&s=i

Yep, Lost may have "jumped the shark" this season. But, there's always hope that it will improve - it's not over yet. But I also hope Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof read the comments on this site.

I Second That Emotion...

@Anonymous 8:23pm post...The author of that article is a very passionate Lost fan, and I am sure a lot of people on this diary feel the same way. But I am not throwing in the towel yet.

There is a method to Cuse and Lindelof's madness. What seems like meaningless characters and actions could actually be the result of a carefully reasoned plan. If it means having to wait until the final episode before having that Aha Moment, before everything falls into place, so be it. But it is taking a toll on the viewers. We want the answers sooner, rather than later.

@Walt...Thanks for the mobiside info !

Claire Talk:

Had a friend over last night and she wanted to catch up on Lost(late bloomer) and the first episode was season 4 where Claire gets blown up. At this point we don't know Miles story yet. Someone asks Claire how she's feeling and she says she thinks she'll be ok. Miles then says "I wouldn't be so sure" and later in the episode he staring at Claire. H obviously new something back then...was just cool going back and seeing these "hints" about what's to come.

@ Jane | March 5, 2010 01:27 PM
You got me to thinking...

My question is why isn't MiB in his original form??? What happened to the body that MiB inhabited when we first saw them on the beach??

Re: Jack's son. His bright blue eyes make me wonder about his mother. My guess is that his mother is going to be revealed as none other than red headed, Charlotte. It has been revealed that Rebecca Mader will return this season, and the writers have said that David's mom is someone that we have seen before.

Jack shared a kiss with Gabriela Busoni, the daughter of a patient of Jack's. Her father was diagnosed with a spinal tumor who died on the operating table because of his age and a weak heart. They definitly had a strong attraction towards each other. Could she be the mysterious mother of David ?

Plus, Christian warned Jack to keep his distance with her, to keep it professional. Hmmm.

Shortly after, when Jack came clean about the kiss, Sarah informed Jack that she was having an affair and left. Maybe Jack rebounded with Gabriela.

something that is the big question for me is that Flocke told Sawyer he was once just a regular man. Sawyer did not believe him and Flocke said it indeed was true. If so, we must be talking about some kind of "curse or spell" put on him to be in the form of smoke and banished or trapped on the island. I think if its in a biblical sense he must inherently be the 'bad' one. But usually in 'fairy tales' the one who has a curse put on them and trapped is the 'good' one who has to overcome the evil cast on them to escape. (practically any disney character for example).

I thought that when Lockeness told Sawyer that he had been a man once, he was referring to the life of the real Locke. Lockeness said that he knew what it was like to feel pain and how it felt to lose somebody you love. Isn't that exactly what the real Locke experienced ?

The Academy Awards are tonight !!!

Is anyone hosting a red carpet Oscar Party this evening ? Don't forget the popcorn. It will also be a dream night for the fashion police, to be sure. I can hardly wait.

Any predictions ?

Flashest monk...Do you have any favs, or see any major upsets on the horizon ?

Cocktails to consider... The Avatar Martini, the Hurt Locker Cherry Bomb, Precious Punch, and Inglourious Basterds Jager Monster.

@jane - when MIB and Jacob sat on beach and discussed the rules / loophole as the Blackrock arrived they were in their original form - why didn't one kill the other then

If MIB has found a loophole... Why not Jacob as well ? That conversation on the beach between the two suggests that both MIB and Jacob are playing by the same rules, no ?...Plus Lockeness knows about the Box !

Tomorrow night is LOST!

More story and answers then!

HOO-RAY!

@standi- I'm not sure if we know what happened to his original form...if that is even his original body. That might not be relevant...and I haven't really thought it through yet.

@suede66- I was always under the impression that they could not kill each other and that is why MIB was explaining to Jacob how badly he wants to kill him and was looking for a loophole.

@sk- I agree with you..I've asked myself that as well.

Do you think we will find out about the box? Or do you think that the box really didn't exist and they brought Locke's dad by submarine and Ben wanted Locke to believe that the island was really special? I forget if they answered that question about the box.

I keep getting a little...lost (heh) with the smoke monster because I remember in Season 1 when Danielle explained that it was a security system...and then the smoke monster killed a bunch of random people, one of those though being Mr. Echo. Do we know why Mr. Echo was never a candidate? He seemed perfect because he had no doubts about pushing the button and he seemed loyal to the island, faithful. He would be a good candidate, maybe?

I get confused about whether the smoke monster is really MIB during those times or if Jacob controlled the smoke monster/essentially controlling MIB...are those the chains that we hear whenever it comes around? I imagine that the smoke monster...is maybe like the dementors in harry potter...evil but being controlled but when the magic of ministry fell, the control was out of their hands and they were free to roam wherever.

I'm sorry for the ramblings, I was still in thought process as I wrote this. And I'm sorry if all of this was already thoroughly discussed.

If it is so and Jacob poured somthing into the spring, could it have been his ashes from Ilana?

When Sayid "died", Miles looked very un-nerved at whatever he could hear. I wonder if he heard the "change" happening - if there was one. I am still holding onto the idea that Sayid is not evil, just has no hope left.

@sk

Jacob may know of a loophole, but chooses not to use it because it is against his beliefs. Or, he just hasn't done it yet. He may be saving it as a last resort if his candidates fail. Then the whole game starts over again with a new group of people....

Remember when Ben showed Locke the box. " What if I told you that, somewhere on this island, there is a very large box and whatever you imagined, whatever you wanted to be in it when you opened that box, there it would be. What would you say about that John?"... Locke's father, Anthony Cooper, was gagged and tied to a chair.

When Lockeness and Sayid meet in the jungle, Lockeness tells Sayid that he can get him anything he wants, "anything in the entire world." Sayid said that the only thing he ever wanted died in his arms, and he will never "see" them again... Lockeness replies, "What if you could?"

Do you think that Lockeness would be so lowdown, that he would bring Nadia to the island, via the box, so Sayid could see her again?

I mean, he made a promise to Sayid, and Lockeness would be keeping his end of the bargain. Lockeness, devious master manipulator!!!

Did anyone else notice that when Sayid came back to the temple from the jungle meeting with Lockeness, Dogen asked him "Whaat Happened?"

When Sayid came back to the land of the living in the temple, he asked "Whaat Happened?"

Both readings had the same inflection, the same tone, the same pitch...

When Sayid said what he wanted, didn't he say IT died in his arms? Why would he refer to Nadia as IT?

What episode in Season 4 did CLAIRE get blown up in the house? (I want to go back and watch it again.)

@bb, 4-10, "The Shape of Things to Come."

@sk, the magic box was a metaphor for the island, there is no actual box. But I think you are on the right path, whatever powers that brought A.Cooper to the island, could very well reunite Sayid with Nadia.

@memo14, you are right, interesting. Is IT referring to love?

SAYID: I would tell you that the only thing I ever wanted, died in my arms, and I'll never see it again.

LOCKE: What if you could?

Who responds to someone dying in their arms as IT ?....Continuity error?...It's not the first time. Just saying.

"For those of you complaining of "filler." Seriously. PLEASE WATCH NCIS: LOS ANGELES. I promise not to hold it against you."
Damon Lindelof

I totally agree with him. Without the personal stories Lost wouldn't make ANY sense at all.

The complainers (like teh writer of this blog) are only causing me not to come to this blog, not stop me from watching or discussing with others. I also don't have a problem with the parallel timeline as long as the timelines are correct and they didn't actually screw something up so it doesn't make sense.

I don't understand how people who were ok with smoke monsters and tropical polar bears are upset with parallel universes ALL require a suspension of disbelieve.

P.S. SK you rock (and make me laugh). Did I miss the post about Lost drinks?

dear jacob i typo'd "the" and "disbelief". I need to use that Review button.

Gotta go....hoping to see a good show, a good review and all the regular posters in a couple days!

If you really want to check out polor opposite sides of the same coin... How about Frank Sinatra's "My Way", and "My Way", by Sid Vicious and the Sex Pistols!!!

@Team Jack - I still believe that the reason Miles looked so unnerved around Sayid was because of what he couldn't hear. Sayid was supposedley dead, but maybe he couldn't hear anything and that's why he was so puzzled looking.

@ Glee the 1st
Damon Lindelof: No, I basically tweeted, “Hey, listen, if you think that the episodes are filler, then you should watch NCIS.” I don’t mean it in a bitter way. I actually like NCIS.

;also, ease up the lectures, everyone is entitled to their opinions too

Sayid in the Judas position is because he betrayed the Others. Not because he's going to betray anyone else. He killed Dogan and that got everyone killed so he could have the one thing that he wanted (i.e. he was paid for his betrayal, much like Judas)

The hieroglyphic that Hurley searches for on the temple walls looks like an omega sign. Ilana looks for the same symbol to escape the wrath of Smokey and allowing the group, minus Ben, safe passage from the temple.

The omega sign looks a lot like the shen ring circle. The circle represents eternity and protection. Interesting and sublime.

@memo and Mr. F - I asked what else died in Sayid's arms last week! Because I did not think 'it' referred to either woman... thank you for continuing on with this.

BEN BEN BEN BEN BEN BEN
I cannot wait to be a student with Prof. Ben tonight... yea yea...

@sk
Omega is 'the last' or 'end' - so this could be endgame symbolism...

@fanolost Re: Sayid's 'it'
I took it to mean that 'love' died in his arms.

@standi...Very clever answer that totally makes sense in Sayid's situation.

Not only has Sayid lost in love, but he has lost his religion, one kill after another.

@standi - interesting. I think there's more to the word 'it' - I just don't know exactly. What he wanted/loved most can also be freedom, innocence, blah blah...

Then again, Sayid is dead. Maybe he loved himself most... heheheh

To Anonymous - are you saying you are Damon? yeah right. I took that tweet from a page someone else above linked to so go lecture that person or the person who wrote the blog who posted the tweet.

Also, I don't listen to anonymous people I have had no interaction with in the past. I have just as much of a right to post my opinions whether you think it is a lecture or not. Your post is highly hypocritical, but your personal attack is a reminder why I rarely come here anymore - I log on, see a bunch of whiners and just leave instead. I don't waste my time attacking individuals like you do. I am sure the writer of this blog is a big boy and wouldn't put his opinions out there and have a comment section if he couldn't take it.

So on that note I believe I will go the way of flashest monk and disappear. There are too many blogs to be read to waste time here.

@Glee, dont let anonymous trolls get to you, just ignore them. Hang in there Glee :)

Speaking of Flashest, where the heck is he? I bet he is running around with the Mr F from the future, probably heading to Vegas to place some bets. D*&% you guys, cut me in on the profits !!!

@Terry & sk - David's mom is Juliet; there is compelling evidence of this on the blogosphere because of the hats on the rack by the door when Jake enters the ex-wife's house. They look suspiciously like the one's in Juliet's house when she had the Other's bookclub over.

Im wondering about Eloise hawking... does she know about MIB?? She told Jack that Locke's boday HAD to go back and he had to wear shoes (Christian's shoes to be exact).. so.. im thinking her and Widmore know about MIB, and are maybe on his side.. That might be the "bad" person that is coming when jacob said it was too late.. im not really conviced it was Flocke that Jacob was talking about. So now the pieces are set... Flocke rolled a double six, took out the Temple, shored up his people (i like to think of the temple as the Ukraine.. an important place in RISK, which this show seems like... maybe :)) its all just a game... hence all the "rules" that we don't know about... or maybe its a computer game the Lostie's brain's are programmed into, that would easily explain all the time skipping.. its a glich in the system.. theres a hacker somewhere.. maybe MIB.. maybe none of this is real.. and now i doubt im making sense...

i don't want to say goodbye to ben. we still have so much to learn from him

at the end ben was digging the grave saying i can't believe you're going to stand by and watch this happen? who do you think he is talking to? jack?

the announcer says the man that brought death to so many...

will face his own demise
and ben says...forgive me?

who is he asking for forgiveness from? Jacob?

ooh i can't wait

another element (pun intended) i enjoy from the lost experience is the use of the weather. very king lear - using thumderclaps at the end with Not Locke leading the group away from the temple. using it as foreshadowing is another tip to shakespeare. i wonder if desmond will ever read Mutual Friend?

and i think steamy keamy should change name to sizzlin' keamy...

i loved how they had the sizzlin' effects cranked up when flipping those eggs. another spinoff idea...keamy cooking show!

the ultimate paradox to me was when dogen was giving the knife to sayid after giving him the whole balance good/evil speech then turns and says if there is any good in your soul you will prove it by trying to kill Not Locke?

uh to quote Hurley..
what?

maybe the "it" that died in Sayid's arms was the chicken killed as a child :) lol

Good one... Cooking with Keamy. All of your favorite Dharma Recipes this side of the island.

BenWagoneers-tonight is our night!!!! Unite one & all~~ {you too Flashest}Resistance is still futile:)

Hey, the "enhanced" episode mentions Sayid killing the chicken when he was little... maybe it was the chicken that died in his arms! ;)

Aaaah....my sweet Richard :) I have missed you SO much! You are as beautiful as ever <3 <3 <3

LOVED TONIGHTS EPISODE! I cried like a little baby with Ben and cheered out loud when he redeemed himself with Alex. Holy WTF with the creepy sub shot...
Poor Richard :(

Yes to all the dis-believers in our Ben!!!!

I'm not sure who's heart grew bigger, Bens or the Grinch?

I will bask in this for awhile, then ponder if it is just a Ben trick :):)

Cheered for Ben the whole episode! And Richard, too.

Yah so I'm back. good idea on the cooking show lvs steamykeamy

this was an Excellent episode one of the very best!

Is there any question of who is good or bad anymore? I don't think so.

I still hold hope for Kate and Sawyer to jump ship too - their future in flash sideways is yet unwritten.

jin is the unwitting scapegoat but an important one. more to come....

Have not watched tonights episode yet. Comes on in 9 more minutes. But... last years, Season 5...Episode 7 was The Life of Jeremy BENtham !

Opps...The Life and Death of Jeremy BENtham !!!

Thank you for the John Hughes wink...Sideways ?

Ilana's arm looks infected...Not good. Who are the next 6 candidates ? Jin/Sun, Hurley, Jack,... and.

Loved the tonight's episode even though I am still waiting for Bernard in a flash sideways and, of course, Vincent the Wonder Dog, who should show up barking to warn the people on the beach about the sub. Can Ben really be good? He was so believable tonight!

Ben...believable

... made me cry :::: !

Jack rocked in last nights episode!
And we got some answers!

Loved Richard and Jack - wanted so bad to know what Richard told Jack. I was glad to see Ben redeemed, although - a quibble - I don't think that when a high school principal leaves he can just bequeath the job to a teacher at the school of his or her choosing.

WHAT A FREAKING GREAT EPISODE!!! So...this is what I learned.
* Ilana was sent to be the protector of the candidates...the "last candidates"...being the Oceanic 6.
* Jacob's touch is a gift/curse. Cannot die by one's own hand. (Reminds me of when Michael tried all sorts of ways to off himself...but I don't remember Jacob touching him.)
* Richard did come over on the Black Rock.
* Jack is now a man of faith as evidenced when he told Richard he knew he wouldn't die.
* Ben found redemption in his sideway.

Thought: Do you suppose that Widmore was trying to protect Desmond when he did everything he could to keep him and Penny apart? Meaning he knew what Desmond's destiny was to be?

Also, I believe the top contenders for the top posts of the Island are Jack, Ben/Sawyer, and Desmond.

I am thinking MIB makes false promises - Getting off island (Sawyer), Get Aaron back (Claire), Take you to your baby/wife (Jin), You can be in charge of island (Ben), Nadia back (Sayid) - he can't deliver on any of them and he makes them in a coy convoluted way so he isn't quite lying

Wow. Just Wow!!

That episode exceeded my highest expectations.

Did anyone else notice that a lot of it had the same feeling you used to get from the first couple seasons? Especially when everyone was reuniting on the beach?

I'm still not convinced Jacob is 'Good', although I'mpretty sure Locke/MIB is bad. I think they're both bad. I think just because Jacob gives you a purpose, doesnt make it right...it's his own agenda.

Anyway, loved Ben last night. Actually loved Jack last night for the first time in a long time as well.

Felt like we finally got a few answers... Daniel should be pleased...I bet he gives it an A rating.

@ suede66 - I think MiB is an out and out liar and doesn't care if he lies. He's a con artist - will Sawyer be able to out-con him?

Ben Wagon - a better b-day gift I could not have asked for... gggooooOOOOOO BEN.

I'm missing two of the 6 candidates left (I can imagine maybe Claire was one, but is no longer). We've got Jack, Hugo, Sawyer, Kwon - and then???

I think the 6 are Jack (SHEPARD), Sawyer (FORD), Kate (AUSTEN), Hugo (REYES), Jin (KWON), and Sun (KWON).

I don't think the 6 that are left for Ilana to protect are the Oceanic 6. I think Lapidus is one of the 6. I think Sayid was on the list and is now off. Not sure if Ilana knows about him being on MIB's side or thinks he died at the temple.

Well, we know for sure that Hugo, Jack, Sun, Jin, and Sawyer are to be protected. The last spot could be Kate, or Sayid...both their names were on the list...

@fanolost -- Happy
Belated B.day:) My take was that all Oceanic 6 are the last candidates. So..Jack, Hurley, Sun, Kate, Sayid...man, I can't think of the sixth -- Aaron?

@jaytch, add this one to the list of answers... The Linus family went to the island in both timelines. Now we just need to know what made them leave.

@fanolost, interesting comment by Illana. Is there really 6 left or has she not updated her initial list of candidates?

Is she still counting Ford and Jarrah in her count? Is she counting Jin and Sun as just one or two possible candidates? Until we know which Kwon, I assume they are both still possible candidates.

So someone really was coming to the island! Does that mean that Widmore is in some way connected to #108 Wallace on the Lighthouse dial?
VERY AWESOME episode last night, definitely the best of the season so far in my opinion. (But I'm sure that will change when Richard's episode airs :))

@standi -- Forgot about Lapidus. Ilana and her group said he was important. Hmmmm....

Now I'm wondering...is there any significance to the # 6? First there was the Oceanic 6, now the 6 Candidates.

Just cause, you know, numbers seem to mean a lot in Lost.

The periscope popping up out of the water was hilarious...reminded me of a low budget sci-fi B movie. Loved it.

A Candidate has to be touched by Jacob. Someone could be touched "off screen" but the show has made such a huge point of showing us the touches that we had seen before - doesn't seem likely.

Well, if it's by Jacob's touch, he touched both Kwons, Jack, Saywer, Hugo, Sayid, Kate, and Locke...Locke is deceased. That leaves 7 possible Candidates left...

Quick question. If someone was forcing you to dig your own grave, would you? I don't think I would. I think I would say "You dig my BLANKing grave...what are you going to do, kill me twice?"

@Kruxoli - I think it is one KWon or the other - we don't know which and MiB didn't know either.

@berky -- Ilana didn't know if it was or the other Kwon or both. Another answer we'll have to wait for:)

I loved Hurley's opening line last night "Cheese curds"... or was it curls? Still was a good reminder of season 4 when he woke up with the line Mallowmars...

Meant to say "if it was one or the other Kwon".

I forgot to mention I think Lapidus may be more of a middleman (Richard or Dogen, not that we really know what either dude was really about)

But I know Lapidus is far more important than we chatted about last season.

Kwon is a candidate (it's not 2 Kwons - so it's either, but not Sun and Jin until...) And could it not be their daughter?

@jaytch - Thanks for the wishes!

@Mr. F - it's all in the double entendre of the writing - but Ilana said 'there are 6 left... or remaining... '

I also don't know what Jacob's touch means. For Richard, it was eternal life... not so happy now is he... But it doesn't appear to be the same for the others - I mean, everyone seems to be 'aging' and not commenting on it - so I'm thinking the gift of the touch isn't a singular universal 'gift.' It's different depending on who you are and what your purpose is.

Then again, with 9 epis to go - you'd think we'd be less quizzical... ack.

FYI - anyone think LOST asking for 'us' to do a finale promo is a joke? I mean, we don't know squat yet about what it could be, so unless you throw in the face of every character - in rapid succession - that we've ever seen - and then what, overlay it with a voice that says - 'we know you want answers, and we're here to provide...'

And then, of course, not all answers will be provided... och.

I think that the "KWON" is SUN. JIN has been injured before (freighter explosion, bear trap, etc.) while SUN has been "protected".

I also think that RICHARD, LAPITIS and DESMOND are "special", and while they are not candidates, their presence is extremely important.

(I also think that at some point before the ned of the season, RICHARD is going to age dramatically -- like Dorian Grey -- and then die, once his "work" is done.)

@bb Going with the Richard, Lapidis and Desmond being 'special' we can put Miles in that catigory too.

@berky, I believe candidates being touched off-screen is more than possible, it is almost a fact.

Michael Dawson, Dawson was listed on the lighthouse dial, was apparently touched off screen by Jacob. This is why Michael could not kill himself with the gun (jammed) or his car crash (only inured).

@fanolost, I am still very open to Sun and Jin's daughter being a possible candidate due to both of them being touched by Jacob at the same time. I am struggling as to how she would fit in the story though.

We all know Kate was touched by Jacob, but so far she is getting no mention in the possible candidates. Very strange.

@bb

In regards to "KWON" being Sun instead of Jin because she hasnt been injured yet...
...perhaps it IS Jin because he should have died on the freighter but not only survived the explosion but floated and turned up on shore relatively unharmed...

@bb, in regards to Jin and Sun and which Kwon...

Based on what you described, I would lean towards Jin being the one. I always wondered how the heck he survived the freightor explosion which should have killed him. Not to mention surviving the raft explosion and making it back to shore. Seems Jin may have a purpose as well.

@Kitz, LOL!! With you again... a second late. :)

@Mr F. - Well, with all the time-manipulation in the show, they could show us a Jacob touch that happened in the past or sideways - that we haven't seen. Michael was eventually killed when the freightor blew up, right? So if he was touched and given a gift to avoid suicide, it didn't protect him from other kinds of death.

bb - yes, Jin's should have died in that explosion. Others have been injured and their injuries have healed rather quickly. I wonder why Sun wasn't sent to 1977 with the rest of them.

Also....you would think Sun would be more eager to find Jin. Afterall, now that she's with Miles who was with him for the last 3 years in 77.

@ BB:

I'm not sure, but I would lean toward Jin being the KWON who is protected...He was able to avoid certain death more than once...Still, it COULD be Sun, or Ji Yeon for that matter...Jacob touched both of them at the same time...

@ berky

When MICHAEL was finally able to die on the freighter, it was "CHRISTIAN" who told him he could finally die. Maybe MiB manipulated MICHAEL, and kept him "protected" ---- maybe MiB is protecting some who are on the island that JACOB did not protect.

Also, ILANA said that JACOB was "like a father to her" --- how did that relationship originally occur? Is ILANA "old" like RICHARD? After all, RICHARD / RICARDO is the one who gave her the answer as to "Who lies in the shadow of the statue?"

@berky, Jacob's touch wasnt meant to protect them from ever dying, just against killing themselves and being killed by MiB/Smokie. I thought Richard made that pretty clear when he asked Jack to help kill him since he couldnt do it himself.

@ Mr. F

Lol - we seem to share the same thought process...

@ Mr. F: I'm right there with ya! Totally agree!

Reagarding candidates - Please correct me if I'm wrong - but Kate's name wasn't written on the wall of the cave????? - so she wouldn't be considered a candidate.

@ Shellie:

Her name was on the Lighthouse dial, if I'm not mistaken. I believe her number was 51.

Her name was definitely on the dial. I have a question, other than the argument that my head keeps having of "there would be two kwons on the wall", why can't we consider Sun and Jin to BOTH be candidates?

@Mr. F

There was a little bit of detail missing regarding Richard, Hurley, and Jack's talk

Hurley asked if he was a time traveler and he said no, he said he didn't age because of the gift Jacob gave him, and that the gift was that he touched him.

Jack and Hurley were both touched by Jacob and they time traveled.
I am still wondering what will become of the "6" now.. will they never age like Richard? can they die on the island? (or do they have to be off island to die?)

I loved this episode one of the best of all six seasons IMO....

Ben being all alone in the wide shot off the beach when Hurley and Jack arrived, and then the Periscope freezing with Ben in the target.

I wanted to wait for the new blog but after seeing Rachel's comments here goes...

Last night was an incredible episode. The acting continues to be what drives a great deal of this show. I only have one fault with it which I will explain later.

What I have been thinking of are the Sun and Jin. Kwon

Ilana did not know which one to protect. In one timeline Jin is captured and now at the mercy of a remorseful, but still a killing machine, Sayid. In another he seems to be on his own but may end up being part of team MIB, by default perhaps.

I remember that when Jacob went to see them he touched them both and told them how important their love is, not them but their love.

I am also thinking about what Jacob said to MIB – that it only has to end once. I don’t believe he is talking about MIB leaving the island however. But, if new candidates replace the old Jacob and MIB how will it end?

It’s a stretch, but maybe the only way it will end is by Sun taking over for Jacob and for Jin taking over for MIB but that somehow they unite the good and the bad like Yin and Yang and that is how it can finally end. Kwon was the last number – 42. They are the skeletons….

The one fault – Richard didn’t seem shocked to see Jack and Hurley considering he said he saw them DIE in that timeline supposedly.

Where is Daniel?

I can't start my Wednesday until I read the Diary -

:o(

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